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Hey Everyone,
I'm going to France/UK for a month in about 3 weeks
But I would still like to get in contact with my family here in the states. I was wondering if anyone knew the best way to get service while outside of the country.
Would it be cheaper to get a sim card there and plop it into my phone or call ATT and tell them I'm traveling and that I need service there.
Lastly, if I go the sim card route, do I need to do anything to be able to use the card or do I drop it in and it works?
Thanks again!
Firstly, congratulations and I hope you have an amazing time. Last summer I went to Greece, Italy, and France so what I did was turn off my data (just the toggle in settings) and used the wifi over there for apps that let you call or text others who have the same app. At&t also has a messaging plan where you get 100 texts for like ten dollars or so I think but you can't double up -_- for some reason. Don't buy any At&t overseas data plans, they will charge you an arm and a leg.
But any ways, if you know you are going to populated parts of the country where you'll get wifi, then you should be good with that to talk to friends/family here for a really good portion of the day. (many cafes and such offer free wifi but hotels, you'll have to pay but it's super minimal- equivalent to about three dollars on average for your stay there)
Again, wishing you the best of luck.
3 possible options outside of using ATT
first call att and see if they unlock your phone for you - if not use cellularunlock (~$25) to get the unlock code, once overseas, buy a local sim and use that
if wifi is available use that - first sign up for google voice then install grooveIP and log in with your google voice account - you can not make wifi based phone calls (caveat - not sure if groove ip enabled yet in Uk or france)
use Skype - sign up for thier very cheap monthly subscriptions, and use that when in wifi range
jluu1286 said:
Hey Everyone,
I'm going to France/UK for a month in about 3 weeks
But I would still like to get in contact with my family here in the states. I was wondering if anyone knew the best way to get service while outside of the country.
Would it be cheaper to get a sim card there and plop it into my phone or call ATT and tell them I'm traveling and that I need service there.
Lastly, if I go the sim card route, do I need to do anything to be able to use the card or do I drop it in and it works?
Thanks again!
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Thanks for the replies guys!
I think from the look of things I'll get my phone unlocked and just get a sim card there.
I'm going to hope that there is a ton of free wi fi so I can call the family back home but I also need service to keep in contact in towns while I'm there.
Also, will unlocking the phone affect anything? Because I'm currently rooted and running TheUnofficial.
Nope. Unlocking a phone lets you use carriers overseas. Has nothing to do with os.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
-iOS = inspiring Outdated Software
Hey there,
Nowadays lots of things there, you can contact your family very easy and free services. There's lots of application on the phone, you can contact through Skype, WhatsApp, IMO and there is lots of apps are available. You can easily video call with these apps. You only need a good internet connection which you can easily find in the UK. Happy journey
Thanks!
Hey everyone... I just spent a good bit of time surfing/searching the forums for a problem similar to mine, but found none. ATT tech help hasnt been much help as of yet, but Im going to try to call one more time today.
My phone is a Lumia 920 with the latest updates. I have NOT installed the APN settings app or anything like that. I have a 10GB shared data plan with my wife.
Here is the issue...if I have recently power cycled my phone, I can go to internet sharing, turn it on, connect whatever I want to my phone, and it works perfect. I can then finish, turn off internet sharing (or let it time out), and later turn it back on again...MAYBE.
Sometimes it will let me connect 2 or 3 more times, then I get the standard error message "Connection Not Shared. To enable tethering on this device, go to att.com/mywireless or dial 611.". If I power cycle the phone though, I am able to tether again just fine for a few sessions.
Anyone else having this intermittent issue? I dont want to have to keep power cycling my phone. Thats a PITA and in my opinion unnecessary. Im tethering to a Nexus 7 when I do it...and between this issue and NFC being lame, Im about to switch to a Galaxy phone haha. And I LOVE my WP8, so that hurts for me to say!
Any ideas?
Justin
ghettocruiser said:
Hey everyone... I just spent a good bit of time surfing/searching the forums for a problem similar to mine, but found none. ATT tech help hasnt been much help as of yet, but Im going to try to call one more time today.
My phone is a Lumia 920 with the latest updates. I have NOT installed the APN settings app or anything like that. I have a 10GB shared data plan with my wife.
Here is the issue...if I have recently power cycled my phone, I can go to internet sharing, turn it on, connect whatever I want to my phone, and it works perfect. I can then finish, turn off internet sharing (or let it time out), and later turn it back on again...MAYBE.
Sometimes it will let me connect 2 or 3 more times, then I get the standard error message "Connection Not Shared. To enable tethering on this device, go to att.com/mywireless or dial 611.". If I power cycle the phone though, I am able to tether again just fine for a few sessions.
Anyone else having this intermittent issue? I dont want to have to keep power cycling my phone. Thats a PITA and in my opinion unnecessary. Im tethering to a Nexus 7 when I do it...and between this issue and NFC being lame, Im about to switch to a Galaxy phone haha. And I LOVE my WP8, so that hurts for me to say!
Any ideas?
Justin
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So I recently gave up my unlimited data plan and went to the same 10 gig plan, I never really use more than that anyways and it's absurdly cheaper. That said, I too get the same error. Before I thought it was because I was on an unlimited data plan, After spending an hour in chat with a tech support rep, he's telling me it's that my OS Version 8.0.10521.155 is wrong, and he wanted to know where I got it from. I told him I ota'ed it, which wasn't a complete lie, but it is an ATT phone that I loaded a Rogers ROM onto and then the ATT Developer ROM which then OTA'ed to GDR3 .
I had to run and didn't get to finish the chat, but I mostly wanted to check and see if you too had loaded the Developer ROM onto your 920, or if you managed to fix your issue.
I have a feeling that they won't send me a replacement because I voided whatever implied warranty with switching the firmware. But I'll fight that fight tomorrow.
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So I recently gave up my unlimited data plan and went to the same 10 gig plan, I never really use more than that anyways and it's absurdly cheaper. That said, I too get the same error. Before I thought it was because I was on an unlimited data plan, After spending an hour in chat with a tech support rep, he's telling me it's that my OS Version 8.0.10521.155 is wrong, and he wanted to know where I got it from. I told him I ota'ed it, which wasn't a complete lie, but it is an ATT phone that I loaded a Rogers ROM onto and then the ATT Developer ROM which then OTA'ed to GDR3 .
I had to run and didn't get to finish the chat, but I mostly wanted to check and see if you too had loaded the Developer ROM onto your 920, or if you managed to fix your issue.
I have a feeling that they won't send me a replacement because I voided whatever implied warranty with switching the firmware. But I'll fight that fight tomorrow.
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I only did the official updates on the phone. Actually...I wasnt really keeping up with the updates because it drove me crazy in the past haha. When I had my Focus with WP7 on it, it was like an obsession. So now its more of a nice surprise when I see the update alert haha.
But in any case....Ive talked to ATT twice now, and they want me to factory reset. They're theory is that something got messed up during an update. A blip in the data transfer, minute loss of WiFi interrupting things, etc. The problem with this is, I DO NOT feel like resetting the phone. I have over 10gb of stuff Ide need to move off. I dont watn all that backed up to the cloud... I have my settings, homescreen, apps...its all how I want it and I hate putting things back. But, I will probably do it. Because the alternative is getting a different phone and I cant do that until December.
This is getting really old. Im at the point where when Im packing up to head home from work, I turn my phone off, then turn it on as Im walking down the steps. I wait until I can turn it on before I start my car, so my tablet connects quicker. If I wait too long between turning the phone on, and trying to activate internet sharing, or if I activate it, and it times out...no guarantee it will turn back on again. Thats another thing, Ide like to be able to tell it NOT to turn off. If Im running into the store real fast or something, I want to leave it hot. My tablet goes to sleep on loss of power, so I cant even leave it in the car because its disconnected anyway.
Annoying...
Justin
Are you able to take the Sim card out of your phone and put it in the watch for standalone use? Also, can you trim a micro Sim to a nano Sim? I've trimmed a standard Sim to a micro Sim before, just not a micro to a nano.
I just want to be able to swap the Sim from phone to watch and watch to phone when I want to and avoid having to put a plan on the watch.
On at&t at least, you can do that.. Not sure about other carriers. Trimming a micro to nano is possible, but the contacts on a micro are larger than they are on a nano, so you have to cut it precisely to avoid having a part of the contacts exposed at the edge. Then you need to get a really good nano adapter b/c the cheap ones don't fit well, and can catch the sim pins on the phone & ruin your sim tray
Had anyone tried moving their SIM card from phone to watch and back again? Sometimes I'd like to leave the phone at home but still be able to make a call in a pinch.
I was thinking about going to AT&T store to swap my micro SIM card for a nano SIM card. Then I'd use an adaptor to put the card back in my Note 3.
Thanks.
Kory
Hey, I have a S5 and plan on putting a nano sim in it. I already ordered the adapter and waiting for it to come in.
I plan on walking into att and asking for a nano sim. I have an iPhone 5 to carry in if they ask why.
But i don't plan on daily swaps.
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The best would be to clone your sim, but that's illegal of course
Yeah, I know. Not doing anything illegal in here.
But i did walk into at&t and got a new nano sim and ordered the adapter for really cheap online for my Galaxy s5.
It all works and easy to switch back and forth. I'll go for a run tomorrow and try streaming Milk misic, while rumning gps and S health.
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ampm325 said:
Yeah, I know. Not doing anything illegal in here.
But i did walk into at&t and got a new nano sim and ordered the adapter for really cheap online for my Galaxy s5.
It all works and easy to switch back and forth. I'll go for a run tomorrow and try streaming Milk misic, while rumning gps and S health.
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So have you done this? Is everything working okay when you switch back and forth?
I was able to pop in the sim. Run, stream milk music, and S health. BUT, it wouldn't sync the S health data, for that run with my phone.
I think the optimum setup for me is to use the Nike app and music stored on the watch for my runs. Streaming milk burns the battery, and I need the power if I have to call for help.
My runs can be hazardous, so I have been focusing, lighting, self defense, and layering up against the cold.
ampm325 said:
Yeah, I know. Not doing anything illegal in here.
But i did walk into at&t and got a new nano sim and ordered the adapter for really cheap online for my Galaxy s5.
It all works and easy to switch back and forth. I'll go for a run tomorrow and try streaming Milk misic, while rumning gps and S health.
I
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Instead of constantly doing this, why note just order a H2O SIM and get a basic plan for it.
You can get a 90-day plan for $10. It's probably all that you need, assuming you don't burn through data like crazy on the watch. Seems a lot more sensible than switching SIMs around constantly and risking damage to the phone. Those SIM adapters are all kinda risky in my opinion. I had to repair an S4 that one of them damaged a few months ago.
Don't quote me here- i BELIEVE the watch doesn't even need to be SIM-unlocked to use H2O. That's the case with most AT&T devices and H2O because they use the same network and similar APNs. I got my AT&T Gear S unlocked on day one though so I can't test that for you. You can also call AT&T or go on their site to request the unlock code if needed, assuming it was bought off-contract.
I was using T-mobile for a while but at $20/month after fees it just wasn't worth it. H2O all the way for me.
edouble312 said:
Instead of constantly doing this, why note just order a H2O SIM and get a basic plan for it.
You can get a 90-day plan for $10. It's probably all that you need, assuming you don't burn through data like crazy on the watch. Seems a lot more sensible than switching SIMs around constantly and risking damage to the phone. Those SIM adapters are all kinda risky in my opinion. I had to repair an S4 that one of them damaged a few months ago.
Don't quote me here- i BELIEVE the watch doesn't even need to be SIM-unlocked to use H2O. That's the case with most AT&T devices and H2O because they use the same network and similar APNs. I got my AT&T Gear S unlocked on day one though so I can't test that for you. You can also call AT&T or go on their site to request the unlock code if needed, assuming it was bought off-contract.
I was using T-mobile for a while but at $20/month after fees it just wasn't worth it. H2O all the way for me.
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No don't need a unlock att gear with h2o......i also went h2o....just pop in the sim....they walked me on the apn settings at the dealer store and I was good to go. The only thing we could not get was mms...but that was not big deal for me.
Is anyone having any luck buying a Sprint Gear S WITHOUT having to activate the data plan to go along with it?
Long Story Short - Trying to buy my girlfriend the Gear S for Christmas. She is with Sprint.
I know that the Gear S can be used without the data connection- Meaning I could just buy the AT&T watch and be good to go. But I want to buy the Sprint version of the watch on the off chance that she decides that she wants to activate the data plan... I'm not having ANY luck calling Spring and/or visiting Sprint Stores.
Any one had any luck?
TeldenW said:
Is anyone having any luck buying a Sprint Gear S WITHOUT having to activate the data plan to go along with it?
Long Story Short - Trying to buy my girlfriend the Gear S for Christmas. She is with Sprint.
I know that the Gear S can be used without the data connection- Meaning I could just buy the AT&T watch and be good to go. But I want to buy the Sprint version of the watch on the off chance that she decides that she wants to activate the data plan... I'm not having ANY luck calling Spring and/or visiting Sprint Stores.
Any one had any luck?
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While I can't answer your question, I just wanted to let you know that if you run into walls, and Sprint refuses to help you, you could get the ATT version, unlock it, and get her a Tmo card for 15$/month.
ATT watch and Tmo plan seem to be the best combination in terms of value, especially since she would not be tied in into any kind of contract.
xendula said:
While I can't answer your question, I just wanted to let you know that if you run into walls, and Sprint refuses to help you, you could get the ATT version, unlock it, and get her a Tmo card for 15$/month.
ATT watch and Tmo plan seem to be the best combination in terms of value, especially since she would not be tied in into any kind of contract.
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Thank you so much for the suggestions! A couple follow up questions for you if you don't mind.....
1. How do I 'unlock' the ATT watch?
2. Will the unlocked ATT watch with a Tmob SIM communicate correctly with her Sprint phone??
TeldenW said:
Thank you so much for the suggestions! A couple follow up questions for you if you don't mind.....
1. How do I 'unlock' the ATT watch?
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If you have ever been an ATT customer, or know someone who is or was an ATT customer, you/they can request an unlock code for free. Turn around time is around 4 days. I walked into an ATT store and told them I wanted to buy it straight out and not activate it on ATT. No problem at all.
Otherwise, there is a UK Ebay seller who offers unlock codes for $16. I bought one not knowing if ATT would end up unlocking mine, because I only have a grandfathered data plan with them, but they did. That seller was recommended by someone here, and he said he got his unlock code in less than 24 hrs, so they seem to be legit. (Again, can't speak out of experience because ATT ended up unlocking my phone. I am sitting on an unlock code, debating if I should buy a cheap prepaid Samsung phone just so I can unlock it.) There are sites like unlocker.net that charge $39 for the same service.
All I did was put my Tmo sim card in, and the Gear S prompted me for the unlock code. Once entered, the device was open to use with whatever carrier I wanted.
2. Will the unlocked ATT watch with a Tmob SIM communicate correctly with her Sprint phone??
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Yes. Quite a few users reported successfully using their non Tmo phones with a Gear S that has a Tmo SIM in it, be it a Tmo Gear S or an unlocked ATT Gear S (Tmo won't unlock theirs). I happen to have a Tmo voice plan, but I have not read a single report where the watch was not playing nice with a different carrier on it than on the phone.
And, if I may say, that's a really cool present for your girlfriend, especially if she is active. Great choice
I kind of hate Tmo because they refused to unlock my phone, so I HATE saying anything good about them right now. But they do have the best plan AFAIK, no ties whatsoever, and specific music streaming apps don't count against the watch's 500 MB data allotment, like Milk, which i haven't used, but which comes preinstalled. The plan also includes unlimited talk&text, btw.
ETA: Check out this very long thread about buying an ATT Gear S without a contract
I thinking about getting one of these but I rather not have to pay extra 10.00$ a month as I would usually have my phone around me. I found some unlocked ones on ebay. Now my question is if bought one and wanted to leave my phone at home could I just swap the sim cards? I have a sim card adapter to make it all work. Or ifnot could I use a pre paid sim?
Thank you
burtonfamily101 said:
I thinking about getting one of these but I rather not have to pay extra 10.00$ a month as I would usually have my phone around me. I found some unlocked ones on ebay. Now my question is if bought one and wanted to leave my phone at home could I just swap the sim cards? I have a sim card adapter to make it all work. Or ifnot could I use a pre paid sim?
Thank you
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If you buy unlock gs from ebay.....just make dammm sure it will work on your gsm network. If it will, yes you can swap the sim from the phone to the gs....but the risk of breaking something is much greater...if you know what I mean. You can always go pre-paid.
Example: Pri att/unlock to use on tmobile.......it might work....people are saying they are having trouble with unlock gs and vice versa with Pri tmobile/unlock to att. But I think it is a hit and miss, cause I have a unlock att and I can go tmobile network any time with no issues.....as of now I am on pre paid h2o (att network) for when I want to go remote and leave the phone at the house while jogging.
Thank you for the reply and sorry for my late one. So ive found a few on ebay that say unlocked. So what I would need to do is get a sim from h2O as prepaid use that when I set up the watch from my AT&T s4?
With h2o you dont really need a unlock gs if you get an att gs......since it runs off the att network. You should not have an issue since your s4 is also running on the att network.
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With h2o you dont really need a unlock gs if you get an att gs......since it runs off the att network. You should not have an issue since your s4 is also running on the att network.
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Yep. I posted on a similar thread- $10 gets you 90 days, 100 megs with H2O's cheapest pay-as-you-go. I take the watch to the gym on remote connection every few days since january-- I've used about $1.70 of the $10 credit from getting notifications and few calls routed to the watch.
Since you'll be buying the watch off contract- go ahead and submit that request for the unlock from AT&T anyway, even though h2o works on locked att devices. It'll make it worth a little more for resale down the road, plus it's free and easy to do so- you just need a non-att/h2o sim card.
btw, if there's no huge hurry for cell coverage on the watch, you can get H2o and simple mobile SIMs on amazon for one penny & free shipping. Get a simple mobile one so you can unlock the watch with it.
make sure you get a nano-sim
edouble312 said:
Yep. I posted on a similar thread- $10 gets you 90 days, 100 megs with H2O's cheapest pay-as-you-go. I take the watch to the gym on remote connection every few days since january-- I've used about $1.70 of the $10 credit from getting notifications and few calls routed to the watch.
Since you'll be buying the watch off contract- go ahead and submit that request for the unlock from AT&T anyway, even though h2o works on locked att devices. It'll make it worth a little more for resale down the road, plus it's free and easy to do so- you just need a non-att/h2o sim card.
btw, if there's no huge hurry for cell coverage on the watch, you can get H2o and simple mobile SIMs on amazon for one penny & free shipping. Get a simple mobile one so you can unlock the watch with it.
make sure you get a nano-sim
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I keep forgetting the unlock code can be asked when bought out right after the new ruling went into affect. I don't have att nor tmobile as my phone carrier and bought the att gs since it was the cheapest of them all and needed coverage as a second carrier when out of phone range (I have sprint on the note2).....also since it has a sim....it could be unlock...etc. I was telling cyper the other day.....I too was afraid of the data usage, but after 2 to 3 months the gs eats data like a bird.......I bought the $100/1yr and I am sitting at 97.00 (since Dec) cause I was not sure how the gs with going to eat data..etc. I am going to have to down grade when it is time to reboost next yr..lol. I might go with the $10/90 days next time around.
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I thinking about getting one of these but I rather not have to pay extra 10.00$ a month as I would usually have my phone around me. I found some unlocked ones on ebay. Now my question is if bought one and wanted to leave my phone at home could I just swap the sim cards? I have a sim card adapter to make it all work. Or ifnot could I use a pre paid sim?
Thank you
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You can use a family shared plan and you don't have that $10 access charge.
They do not charge extra just for a new line? Thanks though I will contact AT&T and find out now to be 100% before I shop on ebay.
2 different networks
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I keep forgetting the unlock code can be asked when bought out right after the new ruling went into affect. I don't have att nor tmobile as my phone carrier and bought the att gs since it was the cheapest of them all and needed coverage as a second carrier when out of phone range (I have sprint on the note2).....also since it has a sim....it could be unlock...etc. I was telling cyper the other day.....I too was afraid of the data usage, but after 2 to 3 months the gs eats data like a bird.......I bought the $100/1yr and I am sitting at 97.00 (since Dec) cause I was not sure how the gs with going to eat data..etc. I am going to have to down grade when it is time to reboost next yr..lol. I might go with the $10/90 days next time around.
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I am looking to do the EXACT same thing you did. I have sprint, sprint version is about 399 in the store but I can get the international unlocked for 253.00 I can send you the link if anybody needs it off amazon. The challenge of course is sprints restrictive network so I have 2 questions, 1st when your phone is paired can you receive calls when tethered and talk through the watch and 2nd when you popped the sim card into the watch did you have issues using it as a stand alone device?
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I am looking to do the EXACT same thing you did. I have sprint, sprint version is about 399 in the store but I can get the international unlocked for 253.00 I can send you the link if anybody needs it off amazon. The challenge of course is sprints restrictive network so I have 2 questions, 1st when your phone is paired can you receive calls when tethered and talk through the watch and 2nd when you popped the sim card into the watch did you have issues using it as a stand alone device?
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Yes, when tethered you can receive calls and talk through watch. Only at&t & T-Mobile Gear S watches have sim card slot (GSM). So if your looking to use the watch as standalone on Sprint network (not sure if your talking wifi or 3G network) , assuming your talking 3G network via Sprint there would be no SIM card required. Are you talking standalone via wifi/no 3G plan or standalone as connected to the Sprint 3G network with the $9.99 plan?
**The previous persons comments are very misleading and I think confuses anyone who reads it. In order to even use the device via Sprint 3G they will need your IMEI number NO SIM CARD.**
I paid the cost for Sprints Gear S which didn't bother me, although I'm using it connected to the $9.99 plan as well as tethered to my phone. Its also much easier to get a warranty replacement device. This thread seems so off topic I'm confused if previous poster is talking with 3G plan or not considering the OT was no plan.
well my plan is to bypass sprint all together and use a prepaid AT&T h20 nano sim card on the watch. This way I use sprint when tethered and AT&T when using as a stand alone watch phone if that makes any sense. Again this is a gamble as I ordered the international South Korean unlocked version, Ive seen one or 2 posts on this being a possibility but I will update if it does work, if so this option may save many people money and frustration of being tied to one network.
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Unknown Zone said:
If you buy unlock gs from ebay.....just make dammm sure it will work on your gsm network. If it will, yes you can swap the sim from the phone to the gs....but the risk of breaking something is much greater...if you know what I mean. You can always go pre-paid.
Example: Pri att/unlock to use on tmobile.......it might work....people are saying they are having trouble with unlock gs and vice versa with Pri tmobile/unlock to att. But I think it is a hit and miss, cause I have a unlock att and I can go tmobile network any time with no issues.....as of now I am on pre paid h2o (att network) for when I want to go remote and leave the phone at the house while jogging.
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I am attempting to do this with a T-mobile note 4 and a South korean unlocked GS from amazon I will update if it does work. On a side note the seller had their prices listed as low as $235.00 New and the day after I purchased it they bumped their prices back up to $319.00!! (I was at the right place at the right time i guess)
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well my plan is to bypass sprint all together and use a prepaid AT&T h20 nano sim card on the watch. This way I use sprint when tethered and AT&T when using as a stand alone watch phone if that makes any sense. Again this is a gamble as I ordered the international South Korean unlocked version, Ive seen one or 2 posts on this being a possibility but I will update if it does work, if so this option may save many people money and frustration of being tied to one network.
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I am attempting to do this with a T-mobile note 4 and a South korean unlocked GS from amazon I will update if it does work. On a side note the seller had their prices listed as low as $235.00 New and the day after I purchased it they bumped their prices back up to $319.00!! (I was at the right place at the right time i guess)
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That makes perfect sense, thanks for clarifying that. Actually would like to know how that turns out for you. I just have a personal grudge against at&t/Verizon and left at&t for Sprint not long ago, so that just wasn't an option for me. How much is the line going to cost through at&t? I was thinking it was a little bit more per month unless you already have a phone line..