Is there any software difference between att and tmo versions. I plane to get one and use it on tmo network. Is that cost effective to get att version for full price, pay for unlock service and use it on tmobile or buy one straight from tmo?
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darekz said:
Is there any software difference between att and tmo versions. I plane to get one and use it on tmo network. Is that cost effective to get att version for full price, pay for unlock service and use it on tmobile or buy one straight from tmo?
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Sorry it took so long, but VERY minor differences. Icons and little things like that. Software updates show up faster on Tmo vs ATT and if you are looking to root...well go for the Tmobile version. Also, technically when you buy a device at full cost, they have to give you the unlock code. But it all depends what provider you are going to use it with.
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Sorry it took so long, but VERY minor differences. Icons and little things like that. Software updates show up faster on Tmo vs ATT and if you are looking to root...well go for the Tmobile version. Also, technically when you buy a device at full cost, they have to give you the unlock code. But it all depends what provider you are going to use it with.
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If both have root why go with T-mobile I see the at&t version can be rooted as well just asking because around me they are in Stock at at&t and not t-mobile
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IMHO, software updates always seem to be faster on Tmobile. and to avoid an unlocking headache, just get the Tmobile one. I ordered online and had it in 2 days.
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IMHO, software updates always seem to be faster on Tmobile. and to avoid an unlocking headache, just get the Tmobile one. I ordered online and had it in 2 days.
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Would I be able to pair the T-mobile gear with T-mobile service to my vzw phone?
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Only if verizon unlock your phone. Usually vzw phones are gms unlocked for international travelers but they dont want to accept US sim cards.
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darekz said:
Only if verizon unlock your phone. Usually vzw phones are gms unlocked for international travelers but they dont want to accept US sim cards.
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AFAIK , the verizon and sprint variants dont even have sim slots. someone correct me if im wrong.... samsung has made it a PITA for the international traveller and this watch, the hardware supports all the bands but for whatever reason they split up all the variants and made each watch support different bands.
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AFAIK , the verizon and sprint variants dont even have sim slots. someone correct me if im wrong.... samsung has made it a PITA for the international traveller and this watch, the hardware supports all the bands but for whatever reason they split up all the variants and made each watch support different bands.
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All i want to do is pair it for like music and what not I could care less if it supports the phone service or bands
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hi all,
I have a t mobile sim card (US) and im interested in getting an s3, but i have a few questions.
When will i be able to get the unlocked version and if so which version is the best one? Will it support sms/mms? Will it support some sort of mobile network if i plan to purchase service in the future? Which version would have the most support for rooting, custom roms etc..
thanks
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hi all,
I have a t mobile sim card (US) and im interested in getting an s3, but i have a few questions.
When will i be able to get the unlocked version and if so which version is the best one? Will it support sms/mms? Will it support some sort of mobile network if i plan to purchase service in the future? Which version would have the most support for rooting, custom roms etc..
thanks
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It think that the unlocked is available for pre order if I'm not mistaken but you will be stuck on edge speeds. The us version will be available sometime in late June or July depending on how they deal with the delay problem due to faulty battery doors. Sms and mms should be supported by any version but like mentioned above, unlocked will be stuck on edge speed. The international version will always garner more support as it is sold everywhere but the us.
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vince1234 said:
hi all,
I have a t mobile sim card (US) and im interested in getting an s3, but i have a few questions.
When will i be able to get the unlocked version and if so which version is the best one? Will it support sms/mms? Will it support some sort of mobile network if i plan to purchase service in the future? Which version would have the most support for rooting, custom roms etc..
thanks
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Better to be on att since almost all international unlocked phones are quadband meaning they support att's HSPA 3G network. With tmobile you only get 2g speeds since most of the phones won't have the aws 1700 band.
Planwise if you want to save money you can go with straight Talk since they use att network or if you go directly with att you can go for the nonsmartphone unlimited data plan for $15.
As far as verizon or sprint I never like them since cdma networks are closed networks and you are fully dependent on the crappy phones they release.
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The Dev forum has a neat tutorial to unlock your phone through Htcdev.com.
Noob question: does this mean you can use an AT&T One with T-mobile and foreign carriers?
Also, the AT&T One includes all the LTE bands covered by the T-mobile One. AT&T also includes most HSPA bands covered by T-mobile One.
Does this mean AT&T One can use HSPA and LTE on T-mobile?
Source:androidcentral.com/htc-one-us-radio-frequencies
eethan said:
The Dev forum has a neat tutorial to unlock your phone through Htcdev.com.
Noob question: does this mean you can use an AT&T One with T-mobile and foreign carriers?
Also, the AT&T One includes all the LTE bands covered by the T-mobile One. AT&T also includes most HSPA bands covered by T-mobile One.
Does this mean AT&T One can use HSPA and LTE on T-mobile?
Source:androidcentral.com/htc-one-us-radio-frequencies
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The unlock on htcdev is for the bootloader, not carrier unlock. To carrier unlock an AT&T phone you would need the unlock code from AT&T which they would give if you purchased the phone at full price (not sure why somebody would that when you could order the carrier unlocked version directly from HTC which would be bloat free; the only reason to do that would be the fact that you can get AT&T HTC one much faster than carrier unlocked from HTC/Letstalk)
You are right about the AT&T one and T-mobile both capable of LTE on both carriers. But both the AT&T and carrier unlocked phone from HTC lack the 1700 AWS HSPA T-mobile band, so those will get 3G/4G/HSPA only if you live in a T-mobile 1900mhz refarmed area (and speeds on that 1900 refarmed spectrum seem to vary from person to person or place to place)
I unlocked mine from a seller on eBay, $13. I got the code in less than 1 hour.
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I unlocked mine from a seller on eBay, $13. I got the code in less than 1 hour.
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PM me the URL por favor. I got a Note 2 I want done.
muqali said:
PM me the URL por favor. I got a Note 2 I want done.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/HTC-UNLOCK-CODE-ONE-ONE-X-HTC-S-HTC-X-HTC-V-AT-T-USA-UK-EU-ASIA-ETC-/171027116054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27d202b016
This is for HTC but I'm pretty sure he can do Samsung.
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PM me the URL por favor. I got a Note 2 I want done.
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You can unlock your Note 2 without root and without paying. You'll have to downgrade to 4.1.1 regardless because T-Mobile and other carriers put a block on 4.1.2 (I know this because I just got rid of my Note 2 and had to find all this out through a lot of searching. The unlock code I ordered was correct but wouldn't work until I downgraded.)
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You can unlock your Note 2 without root and without paying. You'll have to downgrade to 4.1.1 regardless because T-Mobile and other carriers put a block on 4.1.2 (I know this because I just got rid of my Note 2 and had to find all this out through a lot of searching. The unlock code I ordered was correct but wouldn't work until I downgraded.)
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Thanks..will help a lot..
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Thanks..will help a lot..
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I'll post what to do in just a few. :thumbup: This works for S3 and possibly more.
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Dial the following keys *#197328640#
Main Menu > [1] UMTS > [1] Debug Screen > [8] Phone Control > [6] Network Lock > Options [3]Perso SHA256 OFF > (after choosing this option, wait about 30 seconds, then go back one step by pressing the Menu button then select Back, now you are in [6] Network Lock then choose [4] NW Lock NV Data INITIALLIZ. Wait for a minute then reboot your phone.
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If you want to go the route of paying for a code from Samsung, then follow this link with instructions.
http://www.cellunlocker.net/blog/samsung-galaxy-note-2-unlocking-issue/
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If you paid the full price for this phone, you can just call Tmobile and they'll give you an unlock code.
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The unlock on htcdev is for the bootloader, not carrier unlock. To carrier unlock an AT&T phone you would need the unlock code from AT&T which they would give if you purchased the phone at full price (not sure why somebody would that when you could order the carrier unlocked version directly from HTC which would be bloat free; the only reason to do that would be the fact that you can get AT&T HTC one much faster than carrier unlocked from HTC/Letstalk)
You are right about the AT&T one and T-mobile both capable of LTE on both carriers. But both the AT&T and carrier unlocked phone from HTC lack the 1700 AWS HSPA T-mobile band, so those will get 3G/4G/HSPA only if you live in a T-mobile 1900mhz refarmed area (and speeds on that 1900 refarmed spectrum seem to vary from person to person or place to place)
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Don't forget that voice goes over AWS *exclusively* via UMTS/HSPA in markets that either have no 1900 licenses or very bad 1900 coverage.
It pisses me off that they are *STILL* splitting bands between carriers... It really wouldn't take that much to make a universal GSM phone... Tha being said, it *may* be possible to unlock the AWS frequency in the future - that is, if all the internals are the same between the devices. It wouldn't surprise me if it is gimped like the T-Mobile S3 got gimped in terms of LTE support.
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Don't forget that voice goes over AWS *exclusively* via UMTS/HSPA in markets that either have no 1900 licenses or very bad 1900 coverage.
It pisses me off that they are *STILL* splitting bands between carriers... It really wouldn't take that much to make a universal GSM phone... Tha being said, it *may* be possible to unlock the AWS frequency in the future - that is, if all the internals are the same between the devices. It wouldn't surprise me if it is gimped like the T-Mobile S3 got gimped in terms of LTE support.
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Of course it's not hard, especially with current gen basebands, to support a full range of UMTS frequencies. Network operators get OEMs to restrict bands to make buying their subsidized phones less desirable to other operators, i.e. it makes it harder for someone to move from AT&T to T-Mobile. This is an easy business decision for the operators and OEMs don't seem to care much, since I doubt many consumers even know that they should expect their GSM phone from AT&T to work on another GSM network. I remember some people on twitter earlier aptly likening it to DRM--its only purpose is to make their customers' lives more difficult. The fact that Google has supported pentaband UMTS on the Nexus 4/7 and Galaxy Nexus is a great reason to love them, but I digress.
As for granting UMTS over AWS to the AT&T One, it seems pretty unlikely. It's already been shown to be not as simple as a radio flash, and I haven't heard of anyone successfully adding new bands to MDM9x15 devices the way they did with earlier basebands like on US GS2 variants. It's possible that there is some obscure configuration point in our firmware somewhere that will enable such support--and I'm sure there are people out there digging--but I'm not holding my breath, personally.
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Of course it's not hard, especially with current gen basebands, to support a full range of UMTS frequencies. Network operators get OEMs to restrict bands to make buying their subsidized phones less desirable to other operators, i.e. it makes it harder for someone to move from AT&T to T-Mobile. This is an easy business decision for the operators and OEMs don't seem to care much, since I doubt many consumers even know that they should expect their GSM phone from AT&T to work on another GSM network. I remember some people on twitter earlier aptly likening it to DRM--its only purpose is to make their customers' lives more difficult. The fact that Google has supported pentaband UMTS on the Nexus 4/7 and Galaxy Nexus is a great reason to love them, but I digress.
As for granting UMTS over AWS to the AT&T One, it seems pretty unlikely. It's already been shown to be not as simple as a radio flash, and I haven't heard of anyone successfully adding new bands to MDM9x15 devices the way they did with earlier basebands like on US GS2 variants. It's possible that there is some obscure configuration point in our firmware somewhere that will enable such support--and I'm sure there are people out there digging--but I'm not holding my breath, personally.
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Oh I agree with you completely but stranger things have happened like at&t S3s having hidden AWS LTE support... all it takes to activate is a special ROM/radio/bootloader/recovery set that T-Mobile made to test their LTE network... flashes right over the I747 via Odin and unlocks AWS HSPA and LTE. And the Nexus 4 AWS LTE hack too.
Its still annoying... I think we will start to see more compatibility coming up though for roaming revenue purposes... At least between at&t and T-Mobile. I guess we will see. I am waiting to see what comes of the mysterious LG D810 that is running the Snapdragon 800 before deciding on my next device but I'm almost 100% sure I will be passing the GS4 up though.
I thought you could not factory unlocked phones in the USA that were manufactured after Jan 26. 2013 unless the carrier unlocked them? Or is this over now because I'm getting my ONE today and was curious
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jshaw06 said:
I thought you could not factory unlocked phones in the USA that were manufactured after Jan 26. 2013 unless the carrier unlocked them? Or is this over now because I'm getting my ONE today and was curious
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The OP is talking about Bootloader unlock, you're talking about network unlock. It's not illegal to get network unlock if it is through your provider, I believe the whole no unlocking thing has more to do with 3rd party unlockers.
Anyways if the government told you that it's against the law to unlock your toilet so you could take a $hit, would you listen to them or would you just unlock the door and take a $hit anyways? I'll choose the latter thank you
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Anyways if the government told you that it's against the law to unlock your toilet so you could take a $hit, would you listen to them or would you just unlock the door and take a $hit anyways? I'll choose the latter thank you
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SIM unlocking a phone is not a bodily function, so I don't think your example applies.
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SIM unlocking a phone is not a bodily function, so I don't think your example applies.
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I know the two actions are completely different. My point was that a law against unlocking your mobile device would be as stupid as not being allowed to perform a regular "bodily function". It's just a stupid law that was lobbied by the contract sucking mobile carriers. The actual phone manufacturers could care less. Another example is: if you buy a car and have it financed then being told you can't add custom wheels or exhaust system. That's a good example right?
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I know the two actions are completely different. My point was that a law against unlocking your mobile device would be as stupid as not being allowed to perform a regular "bodily function". It's just a stupid law that was lobbied by the contract sucking mobile carriers. The actual phone manufacturers could care less. Another example is: if you buy a car and have it financed then being told you can't add custom wheels or exhaust system. That's a good example right?
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Look, I don't particularly like the rule, but if I need my phone unlocked tmobile will provide a code. The carriers subsidize the phones, even tmo through their zero interest loans. So from their perspective it makes sense.
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Look, I don't particularly like the rule, but if I need my phone unlocked tmobile will provide a code. The carriers subsidize the phones, even tmo through their zero interest loans. So from their perspective it makes sense.
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T-Mobile isn't subsidizing AT ALL now, you pay full retail for any device. They should *HAVE* to provide unlock codes right off the bat.
And they do -
Devices Purchased at Full Retail Price
If you paid full retail price for an eligible device:
T-Mobile will provide the SIM unlock code as long as:
Your T-Mobile account is in good standing; and
The device has been completely paid for (you must fax the proof of purchase to T-Mobile).
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T-Mobile isn't subsidizing AT ALL now, you pay full retail for any device. They should *HAVE* to provide unlock codes right off the bat.
And they do -
Devices Purchased at Full Retail Price
If you paid full retail price for an eligible device:
T-Mobile will provide the SIM unlock code as long as:
Your T-Mobile account is in good standing; and
The device has been completely paid for (you must fax the proof of purchase to T-Mobile).
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They are subsidizing the cost of the loan. The unlock is only available if you have paid the phone off.
They are charging zero percent interest on a consumer item.
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So my Verizon contract expired so I hopped over to T mobile and got myself the S5. Tmobile's service has been appalling IMO and I want to switch back to Verizon. Will my S5 work on Verizon? Do I have to do anything with the phone? I have had it for over 40 days and from what I have read I just have to bring it to the tmobile store and ask them to unlock it. After I do that will I be able to take it to the verizon store for service? Thanks!
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So my Verizon contract expired so I hopped over to T mobile and got myself the S5. Tmobile's service has been appalling IMO and I want to switch back to Verizon. Will my S5 work on Verizon? Do I have to do anything with the phone? I have had it for over 40 days and from what I have read I just have to bring it to the tmobile store and ask them to unlock it. After I do that will I be able to take it to the verizon store for service? Thanks!
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Verizon is CDMA, tmobile is GSM. So, no. They have different bands.
aooga said:
Verizon is CDMA, tmobile is GSM. So, no. They have different bands.
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I thought this was not an issue because my understanding is the 900T was basically the international edition of the S5 so it had all the different bands. Why is it legal to even sell me a $650 phone that is locked to one provider?
What carriers CAN I use this phone with?
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I thought this was not an issue because my understanding is the 900T was basically the international edition of the S5 so it had all the different bands. Why is it legal to even sell me a $650 phone that is locked to one provider?
What carriers CAN I use this phone with?
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Anything but Verizon or Sprint. You're correct that it's pretty much the international edition, but other than Japan and a few other countries, everyone uses GSM. As to why it's legal, blame Verizon and Sprint, not the 99% of other carriers.
aooga said:
Anything but Verizon or Sprint. You're correct that it's pretty much the international edition, but other than Japan and a few other countries, everyone uses GSM. As to why it's legal, blame Verizon and Sprint, not the 99% of other carriers.
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Barf, thanks for the info. Cell phone companies drive me nuts!!!
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Barf, thanks for the info. Cell phone companies drive me nuts!!!
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Just Verizon and Sprint :laugh:
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Just Verizon and Sprint :laugh:
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I took mine to Verizon and was told the LTE bands weren't the same as theirs. I showed them that the unlocked TMO S5 does in fact have the required bands. Finally, the manager admitted that it is Verizon's choice NOT to accept other carrier's phones. At least he was honest, so I'm not blaming him.
I am still on VZ's unlimited hotspot, and I use a LOT of data (over 25GB last month. I was ready to give it up just so I didn't have to carry the little bugger everywhere. When I found this out, I went back to Consumer Cellular with my phone, and it seems to have the same coverage as VZW. VZW can keep feeding me the GBs since they won't accept my phone... and I'm paying less lol.
I saw a couple of tech points in the other threads. I myself have purchased the Att variant and planning to set it up with T Mobile but as I said, someone pointed out that they have different cellular banding or something to that effect. This person went on to say even if we were to get the ATT Gear S version on T Mobile that speeds would probably only be 2G.
From the articles that I've read on the Gear S specs I haven't come across anything saying that Samsung has designed specific versions for each U.S. carrier.
I do not have the answer at this time whether or not full cross compatibility is built into the device or not. Purely going by what has been announced, again I do not think it has been modified to keep us from doing carrier jumps.
I will update when Tmobile gets their networks up and running for the Gear S. If anyone can clear this up with for sure information, please do so. Feel free to speculate but if you're not certain please say so. Thanks.
If I can't get full functionality on the TMobile network with my ATT purchased and unlocked Gear S, I guess I'll have to return it and pony up the extra $50 that TMobile charges and fully join that club. Guys it may not be worth the hassle. I'll have an update soon on how all this works out, however I'd like to welcome feedback on the issue.
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If I can't get full functionality on the TMobile network with my ATT purchased and unlocked Gear S, I guess I'll have to return it and pony up the extra $50 that TMobile charges and fully join that club. Guys it may not be worth the hassle. I'll have an update soon on how all this works out, however I'd like to welcome feedback on the issue.
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Im doing the same thing tomorrow.
You can go to Samsung.com to check out the official spec. There are 5 different carrier variants but only three listed so far: AT&T (SM-R750A), Verizon (SM-R750V) and Sprint (SM-R750P). The missing two are T-Mobile (SM-R750T) and US Cellular.
Each listed different supported network (CMDA vs GSM) and bands.
It has the Snapdragon 400 which supports a HUGE number of bands and supports a global mode for both CDMA and GSM.
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/400
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/wearables/samsung-gear-s
Someone will figure out a way to get the device to work with them back and forth ... it may be through a rom or a command line. But if you aren't a tinkerer you'll probably want to go with the version of the watch for your preferred carrier.
Update: I did a search through the FCC and didn't see one with T-Mobile specific bands (1700/2100). Bad news though is that there definitely are two variants for CDMA AND GSM. Argh. I stand brutally corrected!
Hello,
I just bought the S9+ unlocked today at best buy. I love the phone and I opted in for unlocked version so that I can root the thing later if I wish.
So, I would really like to have the HD voice option, but I found out that you need a carrier phone to be able to have wifi-calling and hd voice. My parent can hear me great on their end (they have iphones) but on my end I have the same old ****ty voice quality.
Is flashing ATT firmware (and getting their bloatware) the only way to get the option? Right now, when I go into settings-> connections-> mobile networks, the option isnt even there.
Reason is the same as I posted on a different thread. Flashing at&t firmware will not fix the problem. Subsequent comments in the thread may be of interest.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=77649772&postcount=7
Ouch. That sucks. I read somewhere that tmobile and sprint don't lock unlocked phones out of their volte and wifi calling. Does Verizon use same tactics as att or will they make it available to me as well?
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Ouch. That sucks. I read somewhere that tmobile and sprint don't lock unlocked phones out of their volte and wifi calling. Does Verizon use same tactics as att or will they make it available to me as well?
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Yeah att doesn't have volte on any unlocked Phones. I put a sim in my Sprint S8 and it dropped to H+ during the call where TMO and vzw stay on VOLTE on my phone.
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Same issue in Canada - Carrier Unlocked device purchased do from Samsung & none of the Canadian Carriers support VoLTE or WiFi Calling - This is extremely unethical on the part of the partnership between Samsung & the Carriers! We all know that the Carriers are Samsung's biggest customers - But to make key features unavailable is unconscionable! ?
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Same issue in Canada - Carrier Unlocked device purchased do from Samsung & none of the Canadian Carriers support VoLTE or WiFi Calling - This is extremely unethical on the part of the partnership between Samsung & the Carriers! We all know that the Carriers are Samsung's biggest customers - But to make key features unavailable is unconscionable!
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For the US carriers though... if i switch to tmobile, will hd voice work if i call my parents on att? Anyone have real life experience?
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For the US carriers though... if i switch to tmobile, will hd voice work if i call my parents on att? Anyone have real life experience?
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T-Mobile and Verizon customers both get VoLTE on Samsung factory unlocked phones. AT&T restricts by IMEI (as well as requiring their firmware). Sprint does not yet offer the feature at all on their network. It is unclear whether unlocked devices will get it once they do deploy it. Time will tell.