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I'm looking into getting a keyboard for my Note 12.2. I currently have the Samsung book cover and it does what it says and works fine. However I can't decide between a keyboard case or a separate keyboard. My requirements are possibly too much to ask from one device though as most nights I watch stuff on it in bed (not that sort of stuff ) and need to be able to hold it comfortably with the cover behind the tablet.
The one thing I don't like about the book cover is the way it stands up. It's very unstable and to be honest, not suitable to use with a separate keyboard. So if I went with a separate one, I'd need to get a cover/case that supported the tablet much better in landscape orientation standing up.
The keyboard case I was looking at was the Logitech Pro Case. Seems nice but how does it feel when the keyboard is behind so you can hold the tablet? Does it add much weight also?
Any ideas or photos of your set up would be greatly appreciated
Cheers
Andy
Too good to be true??
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Logit...988?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ce9498fa4
I got the Wedge keyboard, and I bet Amazon has plenty of those used. I wished I waited to get mine from Amazon instead of buying it at full price at Staples. Great build quality, never once failed when using it for either my mac or tablet, and has portability. But any bluetooth keyboard pretty much does the same thing, though it depends on what you want.
If you want portability, get the Wedge Keyboard.
But if you want a bigger keyboard, I bet there are plenty. I've never heard of a keyboard case like the surface covers, but those would be a cool thing.
I have the Logitech cover with keyboard. It is very well designed and pretty comfortable. Its only disadvantage is weight - it weights about the same as the tablet itself.
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I prefer a separate bluetooth keyboard. So I've got a Logitech K810. It's exactly the same width as the tablet, so they fit together nicely in a sleeve. Excellent build quality, battery lasts for months and the keys are very responsive (as expected from Logitech's high-end line. It is 100 quid, after all.)
I also prefer a separate keyboard, picked up a used Belkin fsl114 (10 inch wide) for almost nothing that is outstanding. Believe it was in an Ipad case. We use extensively on another tablet and lasts quite a long while. Not quite full sized, about 3/4 size.
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I got RAPOO E6700 and with Xposed Additions I'm more than happy with it.
In mobile situations I use Microsoft Sculpt Keyboard, in the Office I use the full size Speedlink Athera Bluetooth Keyboard.
Thanks for all the advice, I'll be looking for a separate keyboard now I've got a decent folio case.
Is there any way to remove the magnets from the Logitech case? Or does anyone know of a keyboard case without magnets?
I really don't want anything to mess up the S-pen functionality and really don't like magnets in general when it comes to proximity to electronics.
The magnets in the Logitech case does not affect the S-pen functionality. Magnets do not affect electronics unless you use a really powerful magnet like the ones used in lifting cars in a junk yard.
However, normal magnets may affect floppy disks by erasing the magnetic part of the disk but who uses those anymore?
Most good speakers have a powerful electromagnet in them and you don't ever hear of those causing any issues with electronic stuff. In my office those speakers are within inches of my laptop and never any issues.
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The magnets in the Logitech case does not affect the S-pen functionality. Magnets do not affect electronics unless you use a really powerful magnet like the ones used in lifting cars in a junk yard.
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It's not about electronics. The Spen sensor itself is magnetic. Introducing another magnet into the magnetic field of the Spen disrupts the field.
Maybe, but the magnet in the Logitech keyboard does not affect my Spen in my Note Pro 12.2. Is it affecting yours?
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Maybe, but the magnet in the Logitech keyboard does not affect my Spen in my Note Pro 12.2. Is it affecting yours?
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Logitech has put a bit of protective material between the tablet and the case in their Note cases. The issue affected all Spen devices.
Cheaper cases, however, don't have that addition.
So annoying that the best keyboard case out there has these. It's a well known fact that magnets disrupt SPen. A clasp would have been fine. Which is why I bought the Speck Folio. And I'm probably going to buy a standalone K810 keyboard. Even if it's way less compact.
Really satisfied with my Logitech keyboard/case combo, the ability to switch layouts (I'm using canadian french) makes it perfect for the job. I'm also using a bluetooth mouse to get the most of it. Add a USB OTG dongle and you get pretty everything you need for a laptop replacement.
The only setback, like the others said, there's no magnet to shutdown the screen when closing the case.
I bought it on ebay for about 60$ which is well worth it.
I had a device with Wacom pen (it was an e-book reader) with cover that had a magnet in it - what it did is it destroyed the pen. The screen still works with another Wacom pen, but the pen that I had with the device is broken and draws only on parts of the screen. So now I avoid any covers with magnets.
I have had the Logitech since I bought the tablet 7 months ago and no problems at all.
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Been using my logi keyboard for 9 months myself, no magnetic dividing by zero so far...
...turns out logitech isn't some one off company that just throws **** together all willy nilly...
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So there are a couple cases out there with integrated (or designed around) small form factor keyboards (i.e. electroniccrap.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=21). Who out there owns a case like this, and what are your thoughts? I'm open to either bluetooth or USB, I just want some first hand responses from those that currently own one.
Thanks!
Had a case with usb keyboard. Used it for a while for lengthy typing sessions but the keyboard was too small for me to use for long periods without my hands getting really tired. Plus, that case was made with really cheap shiny plastic so it looked awful. In the end I bought a mini keyboard that was slightly bigger than the one in the case that also had a multi-touch touchpad on it.
I haven't used the BluTo but I would assume I would have the same complaint about the size of the keyboard being too small for my man-hands. But from reading it2Steve's review on the BluTo the build quality sounds much better than the usb one I've owned.
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Had a case with usb keyboard. Used it for a while for lengthy typing sessions but the keyboard was too small for me to use for long periods without my hands getting really tired. Plus, that case was made with really cheap shiny plastic so it looked awful. In the end I bought a mini keyboard that was slightly bigger than the one in the case that also had a multi-touch touchpad on it.
I haven't used the BluTo but I would assume I would have the same complaint about the size of the keyboard being too small for my man-hands. But from reading it2Steve's review on the BluTo the build quality sounds much better than the usb one I've owned.
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Which keyboard do you use now? Do you just put your tablet on a stand in front of the keyboard?
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Which keyboard do you use now? Do you just put your tablet on a stand in front of the keyboard?
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I have a CLIP case so it acts as the stand. And I use the mini-usb keyboard from Gear Head with the multi-touch touchpad. I only gripe about this keyboard is that it doesn't have a right-shift key but I noticed that a lot of mini-keyboards don't have it either.
GearHead Mini-USB Keyboard
I am using the Microsoft Bluetooth Mobile Keyboard 6000. Works great on the Vegan Gingerbread Rom. Mouse is a little frustrating, but that is what a finger is for.
I think I have the same keyboard case that was mentioned before. I'd link to it but I'm new but just do a search on ebay for gtablet keyboard. I think it's pretty good for how much it cost ($26 as of this writing) when you're doing heavy typing and the fact you dont have to lug around another piece of hardware separate from the tablet around. I also have the clip case too which is great when you want to travel light.
I'm using the case with USB keyboard found on Amazon. I was interested in the BlutO but got tired of waiting for them to be in stock, and then finding them sold out each time. Very frustrating.
I haven't used it too much yet, but so far it's great for my uses, as well as being less than half the price of the BlutO. It's small enough that the G Tab and case fit in a carrying bag made for 10" Netbooks.
A lot of the reviews on Amazon fussed about the white stitching, which I agree looks tacky. I solved that with a Sharpie marker.
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I'm using the case with USB keyboard found on Amazon. I was interested in the BlutO but got tired of waiting for them to be in stock, and then finding them sold out each time. Very frustrating.
I haven't used it too much yet, but so far it's great for my uses, as well as being less than half the price of the BlutO. It's small enough that the G Tab and case fit in a carrying bag made for 10" Netbooks.
A lot of the reviews on Amazon fussed about the white stitching, which I agree looks tacky. I solved that with a Sharpie marker.
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I don't think Steve has ever had the BluTo in stock yet. The last update I got was that they were still stuck in customs.
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I am using the Microsoft Bluetooth Mobile Keyboard 6000. Works great on the Vegan Gingerbread Rom. Mouse is a little frustrating, but that is what a finger is for.
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What's your pairing code? i just got the same keyboard, but can't pair it.
i have the 27 dollar amazon one..
hi
i just received the 27 dollar amazon one...
http://www.amazon.com/Viewsonic-G-T...RK124NKBQ4LI&s=generic&qid=1303521489&sr=1-11
1. leather is defn not real.. but not bad.
2. keyboard keys are smaller, but not bad.
(i have a question, is there a way to disable the on screen keyboard popping up every time i click into a text box?)
all in all, with the built in kick stand, which is perfect for keeping an awesome viewing angle, its a great buy. Shipping is slow. but worth the wait.
I am going to test out, not bringing my netbook with me, just the gtab with this case alone... i am tempted to get a USB hub, so i can bring a wireless mouse though...
Active Keys with the new OTA update?
I got one of the USD keyboards from XiLi the China link. It took just under a month to arrive but fits well. I have the latest OTA update on the Gtab and find the E key opens my email and the g key opens my browser when I have Color Notes open.
Do I need a translator of some kind to recognize the inputs? New update claims to make the Gtab open to USB keyboards. Kind of strange.
I would love to get a case like the one on Amazon that included a Bluetooth keyboard instead of a USB one. It seems like a shame to tie up a USB port and worry about a cable to it that might protrude. Since the gTablet supports Bluetooth, it seems like that would be a better solution. Does anyone know of a case with bluetooth keyboard that is the same size as the gTablet?
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What's your pairing code? i just got the same keyboard, but can't pair it.
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Last time I paired a keyboard you just pick a code and type it in followed by the enter key (enter it first on the android side). This was with CM7 and an older Microsoft bluetoooth keyboard.
I would be interested in stuff like this too.
What about the Ipad bluetooth keyboard cases?
There are quite a few Ipad bluetooth keyboard cases as low as $30 now. Anyone have any luck getting one of these to work with the gtablet?
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Had a case with usb keyboard. Used it for a while for lengthy typing sessions but the keyboard was too small for me to use for long periods without my hands getting really tired. Plus, that case was made with really cheap shiny plastic so it looked awful. In the end I bought a mini keyboard that was slightly bigger than the one in the case that also had a multi-touch touchpad on it.
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What case has a keyboard AND multitouchpad for the G Tablet????
Anyone have a link??
I don't have either available to me to see in person, but am down to one of the two for my new Note 12.2. Would appreciate any and all input in helping make my choice, really can't make up mind, reviews all seem to go both directions.
Thanks much!
I owned the zagg first and returned it for the logitech. The logitech keyboard is superior in every way.
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The Zagg is a nice keyboard but a horrible cover.
First, it offers little to no shock protection. It can be diffulct to "unsnap" the tablet from the keyboard and it provides no cover for the back of the tablet. I also don't care for the way it holds the tablet. Seems to put pressure on the glass but that just may be my OCD.
That said, I like the keyboard and the way it functions. I chose to keep my WAWO case and just sit the keyboard in front of it.
If I had it to do over again, I would pass on the Zagg but since I don't think there is a better keyboard yet for the 12.2, I'm keeping mine as it does the job of providing a decent keyboard. If you are looking for a cover, this is not it in my opinion.
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I have the Zagg and as i agree with mikes assessment of this is not a case. I prefer the zagg over the logi. The zagg seemed to type better for me, is alot lighter - i repeat alot. Slimmer, looks nicer. (Note - a matter of preference) If you want it for keyboard functionality and a case than dont get it. I use a cocoon sleeve made for an 11inch macbook with the zagg and it works well. Also slip the cocoon into another messenger bag when i travel for work. talk about ocd. So the lack of protection is not an issue for me..... The zagg would be great if it was backlit and came in a metal option. When i tried the logi the only things that turned me off were the wieght, thickness and it seemed to slip from the tabs too easy.
I have the logitech and have problems with sudden onset of lag. I know it's not the tablet--I tried on the note 12.2, tab 8.4 and moto x. All experience the lag. This is my second one as the first one also had the issue.
Thinking it's just me since no one else has noticed this. It works initially and then input lag sets in. FYI, I type about 70WPM which isn't terribly fast. The logitech cannot keep up when it starts this lag.
Here is a video-- In German - of the Samsung version of the Zagg type case. I remember seeing this in B&H for release next month.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?p...&mid=67C41CFB4ACD0E4EF6C967C41CFB4ACD0E4EF6C9
I currently have both cases, but the Zagg will be going back. While I do not care for the folio size of the Logitech, and wish it gripped a bit better, the keyboard itself is like typing on a regular laptop keyboard. I can see myself using it for long periods of time with HWord. The Zagg is light and thin which is nice, but I can't see myself typing on it for long periods of time. It feels cramped compared to the Logitech. If I wanted a cramped feeling keyboard for a tablet, I'd stick with my Note 10.1
I just figured out it's an app causing this lag not the keyboard itself. I downgraded the xposed module called Xposed Additions and all is good now. That said, I much prefer the logitech over the zagg. The zagg is too limited in its uses. Meaning, the logitech offers more comfortable viewing---I like resting my hand on the table while it's standing, for example. It also folds down onto the keyboard.This is a great position while in a car, and the back texture really keeps it from sliding on my lap. The zagg feels to cheap for its price. Edges are sharp, and removing it is really awkward.
The only thing I don't care for is how it closes. Seems wonky. Little bumper pads never line up and easily shift out of place. Logitech needs a better way of closing. I like how easily the tablet comes out of the holding tabs. Nice compromise between having it in a case and (easily) taking it out.
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I have the logitech and have problems with sudden onset of lag. I know it's not the tablet--I tried on the note 12.2, tab 8.4 and moto x. All experience the lag. This is my second one as the first one also had the issue.
Thinking it's just me since no one else has noticed this. It works initially and then input lag sets in. FYI, I type about 70WPM which isn't terribly fast. The logitech cannot keep up when it starts this lag.
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well logitech offer petter shortcuts and it is a better cas. I would say go with the logitech pro
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Thanks for all the feedback . . . much appreciated . . . I ordered the Logitech case and will let folks know what I think of it after it arrives.
A question for those of you with the Logitech, does it have the auto on feature of some of the other cases?
What is the weight of each keyboard?
There is no auto on with the Logitech case.
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Haven't tried the Logitech, but the Zagg has been used all day and is infuriating. It misses keys every few keystrokes.
Testing seems to indicate this is a problem only with the 3edc keys and the spacebar missing every now and then.
Forgot connection, re discovered, still same issue. Seems to be hardware related. Will take back for a swap.
I ordered one of these off of B&H Photo's website as I really found the Zagg case to be substandard. Although there is a Samsung logo in the picture, I was VERY surprised to find this is an official Samsung product. Full Samsung packaging, logos on the device and the cover feels exactly like the faux leather on the back of our tablet. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...g_ee_cp905ubeguj_keyboard_case_cover_for.html
Much better feel as far as sturdiness compared to the Zagg cover. Still isn't quite up on par with Logitech's case as far as the keyboard's feel, but the case is so much thinner than the Logitech, it is not possible to compare them directly. Very nice case, and there is also a white model http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...g_ee_cp905uweguj_keyboard_case_cover_for.html.
What shortcut keys are on it? Cut, copy, paste etc etc
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I ordered one of these off of B&H Photo's website as I really found the Zagg case to be substandard. Although there is a Samsung logo in the picture, I was VERY surprised to find this is an official Samsung product. Full Samsung packaging, logos on the device and the cover feels exactly like the faux leather on the back of our tablet. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...g_ee_cp905ubeguj_keyboard_case_cover_for.html
Much better feel as far as sturdiness compared to the Zagg cover. Still isn't quite up on par with Logitech's case as far as the keyboard's feel, but the case is so much thinner than the Logitech, it is not possible to compare them directly. Very nice case, and there is also a white model http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...g_ee_cp905uweguj_keyboard_case_cover_for.html.
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What shortcut keys are on it? Cut, copy, paste etc etc
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Top Row:
back, home, running apps, app window, menu key, brightness -, brightness+, mute, volume -, volume+, stop/pause, prev track, next track, search, screenshot
With fn button, f1-f12. S-Finder, MultiWindow
For those who keep the onscreen keyboard always enabled, there is also a button on the bottom next to alt which will open / close the onscreen keyboard.
Interesting thing is, I don't see this keyboard anywhere on Samsun USA's site, but it is all over the place on German shopping sites. There is also a back piece to the keyboard stand (you can see it on the original link) which holds up / props up the tablet so the weight of the tablet isn't being held up by the screen edge as it is on the Zagg (or even the Logitech for that matter).
Edit: Cut / Paste etc are handled by the standard ctrl-c, ctrl-v ctrl-x
It's a shame no cut, paste, copy. I think one of the other keyboards for the NP 12, maybe Logitech's, has those keys included on the lower left as I recall. It's really hard to find the perfect all - inclusive keyboard for the np 12 and the note10.1 2014, which i also have. Right now i'm using a not so bad bluetooth keyboard that I picked up on amazon for around $15 that does a lot of tab commands and using it with a bluetooth mouse. But I'm waiting to jump on THE DREAM keyboard when someone produces it. I use hancom word for writing. So a keyboard with great tactile feel and lots of tablet specific keys are important to me. Not sure if the samsung keyboard from b&h sounds like it fits the bill.
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Top Row:
back, home, running apps, app window, menu key, brightness -, brightness+, mute, volume -, volume+, stop/pause, prev track, next track, search, screenshot
With fn button, f1-f12. S-Finder, MultiWindow
For those who keep the onscreen keyboard always enabled, there is also a button on the bottom next to alt which will open / close the onscreen keyboard.
Interesting thing is, I don't see this keyboard anywhere on Samsun USA's site, but it is all over the place on German shopping sites. There is also a back piece to the keyboard stand (you can see it on the original link) which holds up / props up the tablet so the weight of the tablet isn't being held up by the screen edge as it is on the Zagg (or even the Logitech for that matter).
Edit: Cut / Paste etc are handled by the standard ctrl-c, ctrl-v ctrl-x
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It's a shame no cut, paste, copy. I think one of the other keyboards for the NP 12, maybe Logitech's, has those keys included on the lower left as I recall. It's really hard to find the perfect all - inclusive keyboard for the np 12 and the note10.1 2014, which i also have. Right now i'm using a not so bad bluetooth keyboard that I picked up on amazon for around $15 that does a lot of tab commands and using it with a bluetooth mouse. But I'm waiting to jump on THE DREAM keyboard when someone produces it. I use hancom word for writing. So a keyboard with great tactile feel and lots of tablet specific keys are important to me. Not sure if the samsung keyboard from b&h sounds like it fits the bill.
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On the lower left of any keyboard you have control c, v, and a. That is how you copy and paste on a desktop. Why would they make extra keys for a funtion that is already handled very fliudly and naturally for anyone used to a desktop system (those more likely to want a keyboard). I understand you want those extra keys but it is unlikely for anyone to offer them to you.....and for the price difference I would take this instead. Might switch it out with my smart cover....
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This looks like the same case without the samsung logo and half the cost of the b&h. Is it?http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Keyboard-Leather-Wireless-Bluetooth/dp/B00IRB3ONE
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You are correct about c and v etc. I knew that. I just think the logitech has cut paste etc written on the keys to make it easier for neophytes.
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On the lower left of any keyboard you have control c, v, and a. That is how you copy and paste on a desktop. Why would they make extra keys for a funtion that is already handled very fliudly and naturally for anyone used to a desktop system (those more likely to want a keyboard). I understand you want those extra keys but it is unlikely for anyone to offer them to you.....and for the price difference I would take this instead. Might switch it out with my smart cover....
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You are correct about c and v etc. I knew that. I just think the logitech has cut paste etc written on the keys to make it easier for neophytes.
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There is no "copy" "cut" "all" or "paste" written on a standard keyboard either. I can't imagine anyone in this forum doesn't know ctrl-c = copy.
Me, I'd rather have the s-finder / multiwindow / keyboard swap keys than waste a second set of keys to an already programmed function.
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It's a shame no cut, paste, copy. I think one of the other keyboards for the NP 12, maybe Logitech's, has those keys included on the lower left as I recall.
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Logitech's (I currently have the Zagg (going back), Logitech and Sammy case) has pictures over the x c and v keys showing scissors and two ever so slightly different pairs of pages to show paste and copy functions and they work with ctrl and fn keys. No extra keys in use.
So to whoever has this do you think it was worth the purchase? I was looking at an smouse at best buy yesterday. Wondering how if you coupd use both on it at the same time on 2ghz without it jumping all over thebplacethe place. My experience has been that my touchpad mouse and keyboard I have now work on 5ghz wifi but with 2ghz on they jump all over the place.
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So to whoever has this do you think it was worth the purchase? I was looking at an smouse at best buy yesterday. Wondering how if you coupd use both on it at the same time on 2ghz without it jumping all over thebplacethe place. My experience has been that my touchpad mouse and keyboard I have now work on 5ghz wifi but with 2ghz on they jump all over the place.
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I can't answer about the S-Mouse, but I have no issues with the keyboard and my logitech mouse. I do seldom use a mouse though since the screen is touch.
To be honest, I have all 3 cases with the Zagg sitting in the Best Buy bag waiting to be returned. To me, none of the three are ideal. The Zagg is FAR behind the others though, it feels cheap. The Logitech and the Samsung cases both have advantages and disadvantages. The logitech is an actual folio case, albeit one which is not a very practical case. There is a LOT of give to the case when closed, and when open and folded over in the hands, it can slide all over the place. My one negative with the Samsung case is that the Note Pro can note be placed into the keyboard case screen up, so when using the Note Pro you are just holding the note pro. I have discovered creaky areas on the back plastic I never noticed when using it in a case and it just doesn't quite sit right with me. It can however be used with some folio cases (specifically the ones where the case folds away from the bottom to sit in slots like this one: http://www.amazon.com/Moko-Samsung-...1396810849&sr=8-8&keywords=note+pro+12.2+moko
Both keyboards themselves are very good, with a slight nod to the Logitech for feeling the most natural feeling. The Logitech feels like one is using a laptop when you are using it as a keyboard, when using it as a folio, it feels huge compared to the Samsung.
I suspect I will keep both. The Logitech case will be used at home when I don't want to use my desktop (which I find myself using far less since getting the Note Pro), the samsung will travel with me and the above Moku case.
I've owned far more Android tablets than I care to remember (Flyer, ASUS TF300, TF700, Note 10.1 2012, Note 10.1 2014 and the Note Pro), and I must say this is the first tablet / keyboard combo I have been comfortable using. The ASUS keyboards were a joke with their chicklet keys, and I never did find a great case for the new 10.1.
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This looks like the same case without the samsung logo and half the cost of the b&h. Is it?http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Keyboard-Leather-Wireless-Bluetooth/dp/B00IRB3ONE
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No not even close. I ordered one just like this through Amazon and it is already traveling back to them. The keys are very tiny, it is actually the exact same keyboard as on the 10.1 inch cheap cases, just in a larger case. The keys are almost unusable.
The Samsung keyboard is almost exactly like the Zagg case. Just built more solid, and the Samsung version doesn't use the screen's glass to prop the tablet up. From a "what's best for the tablet" viewpoint, there is no doubt the Samsung keyboard is by far the best of the three "major" brand keyboards. The weight of the tablet is held up by a plastic flap on the back of the keyboard, the tablet itself just sits in the keyboards well (cutout at the bottom). Both the Zagg and the Logitech use the screen's glass to prop up the tablet.
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I can't answer about the S-Mouse, but I have no issues with the keyboard and my logitech mouse. I do seldom use a mouse though since the screen is touch.
To be honest, I have all 3 cases with the Zagg sitting in the Best Buy bag waiting to be returned. To me, none of the three are ideal. The Zagg is FAR behind the others though, it feels cheap. The Logitech and the Samsung cases both have advantages and disadvantages. The logitech is an actual folio case, albeit one which is not a very practical case. There is a LOT of give to the case when closed, and when open and folded over in the hands, it can slide all over the place. My one negative with the Samsung case is that the Note Pro can note be placed into the keyboard case screen up, so when using the Note Pro you are just holding the note pro. I have discovered creaky areas on the back plastic I never noticed when using it in a case and it just doesn't quite sit right with me. It can however be used with some folio cases (specifically the ones where the case folds away from the bottom to sit in slots like this one: http://www.amazon.com/Moko-Samsung-...1396810849&sr=8-8&keywords=note+pro+12.2+moko
Both keyboards themselves are very good, with a slight nod to the Logitech for feeling the most natural feeling. The Logitech feels like one is using a laptop when you are using it as a keyboard, when using it as a folio, it feels huge compared to the Samsung.
I suspect I will keep both. The Logitech case will be used at home when I don't want to use my desktop (which I find myself using far less since getting the Note Pro), the samsung will travel with me and the above Moku case.
I've owned far more Android tablets than I care to remember (Flyer, ASUS TF300, TF700, Note 10.1 2012, Note 10.1 2014 and the Note Pro), and I must say this is the first tablet / keyboard combo I have been comfortable using. The ASUS keyboards were a joke with their chicklet keys, and I never did find a great case for the new 10.1.
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That sucks it won't go in Screen up. I was hoping it would.
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That sucks it won't go in Screen up. I was hoping it would.
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Well, there are a number of cases which use the open bottom (nothing touches the bottom of the Note when open) design so all of those work great with the keyboard case, as does the Samsung book cover. But yes, I too was quite disappointed that you cannot flip the Note over in the case and just use it like a tablet. Seems like a natural thing to expect and yet neither the Samsung nor the Zagg allow for this.
Who does product testing for these companies? Do they actually try to use their product as people in the real world would?
Edit: They could also have designed this so that the keyboard could snap on to a Note Pro wearing the official Samsung book cover. Heck, that would allow them to sell two items at once.
Portrait?
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I can't answer about the S-Mouse, but I have no issues with the keyboard and my logitech mouse. I do seldom use a mouse though since the screen is touch.
To be honest, I have all 3 cases with the Zagg sitting in the Best Buy bag waiting to be returned. To me, none of the three are ideal. The Zagg is FAR behind the others though, it feels cheap. The Logitech and the Samsung cases both have advantages and disadvantages. The logitech is an actual folio case, albeit one which is not a very practical case. There is a LOT of give to the case when closed, and when open and folded over in the hands, it can slide all over the place. My one negative with the Samsung case is that the Note Pro can note be placed into the keyboard case screen up, so when using the Note Pro you are just holding the note pro. I have discovered creaky areas on the back plastic I never noticed when using it in a case and it just doesn't quite sit right with me. It can however be used with some folio cases (specifically the ones where the case folds away from the bottom to sit in slots like this one
Both keyboards themselves are very good, with a slight nod to the Logitech for feeling the most natural feeling. The Logitech feels like one is using a laptop when you are using it as a keyboard, when using it as a folio, it feels huge compared to the Samsung.
I suspect I will keep both. The Logitech case will be used at home when I don't want to use my desktop (which I find myself using far less since getting the Note Pro), the samsung will travel with me and the above Moku case.
I've owned far more Android tablets than I care to remember (Flyer, ASUS TF300, TF700, Note 10.1 2012, Note 10.1 2014 and the Note Pro), and I must say this is the first tablet / keyboard combo I have been comfortable using. The ASUS keyboards were a joke with their chicklet keys, and I never did find a great case for the new 10.1.
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Hey! Thanks for the review. I just wanted to know whether the samsung case also held in the tablet in portrait mode? Cheers.
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Well, there are a number of cases which use the open bottom (nothing touches the bottom of the Note when open) design so all of those work great with the keyboard case, as does the Samsung book cover. But yes, I too was quite disappointed that you cannot flip the Note over in the case and just use it like a tablet. Seems like a natural thing to expect and yet neither the Samsung nor the Zagg allow for this.
Who does product testing for these companies? Do they actually try to use their product as people in the real world would?
Edit: They could also have designed this so that the keyboard could snap on to a Note Pro wearing the official Samsung book cover. Heck, that would allow them to sell two items at once.
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It would be pretty great if it would snap into the keyboard cover with the book cover on. I like the book cover but recently noticed the screen off issue alot and had to start holding it opposite of how I was. Thinking that once I get the mime screen protector I might ditch the book cover and use something like this
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Hey! Thanks for the review. I just wanted to know whether the samsung case also held in the tablet in portrait mode? Cheers.
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Yes it can. I didn't think it would, but it seems to do the job nicely.
I've finally decided to go with A logitech free standing bluetooth keyboard, the model made for android 3.0+. I don't feel that the keyboard - case combos like the zagg and the logitech are sturdy enough, and are waaay overpriced. Plus, I really prefer my moko case. If I really need to travel with my note pro, it still has to go in a carry case and the external keyboard adds very little more weight. Best buy matched the amazon price of $35.00. Plus, the keyboard does have tablet - specific keys. It's a good combination with the NP12. And the keyboard has good tactile feel.
I picked up the GNP 12.2 relatively "cheap" for $449 refurbished by Samsung as a easy, portable laptop replacement for my HP2000. All I really do away from my desktop is email, web browsing, Facebook, Tapatalk, Youtube, Netflix, and a handful of things that Android handles well, and it works great.
My current case is a $15 eBay cheapy that I am not happy with... What I am looking for is a recommendation for a case that has a keyboard and can be used as a plain tablet case in your hand, lap, or stand up on a table w/o the keyboard, about 50/50 usage each way, without completely swapping cases.
I was hoping for an option under $50 and was looking at the Khomo keyboard case with swivel or a Moko BT keyboard case on Amazon.
Any recommendations on something else or anyone using either of these cases?
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I picked up the GNP 12.2 relatively "cheap" for $449 refurbished by Samsung as a easy, portable laptop replacement for my HP2000. All I really do away from my desktop is email, web browsing, Facebook, Tapatalk, Youtube, Netflix, and a handful of things that Android handles well, and it works great.
My current case is a $15 eBay cheapy that I am not happy with... What I am looking for is a recommendation for a case that has a keyboard and can be used as a plain tablet case in your hand, lap, or stand up on a table w/o the keyboard, about 50/50 usage each way, without completely swapping cases.
I was hoping for an option under $50 and was looking at the Khomo keyboard case with swivel or a Moko BT keyboard case on Amazon.
Any recommendations on something else or anyone using either of these cases?
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I can highly recommend the Logitech Keyboard pro. Ok. It's expensive but it's worth every cent!
Have a look at youtube, there is a test.
I am very happy with my Logitech pro KB.
In combination with the Logitech ultrathin touch mouse the Galaxy is a perfekt office.
For keyboard cases specially designed for the Note Pro, the Logitech is great.
Still, I would love to have a keyboard with trackpad since many times the combination of Keyboard and touch screen is very inefficient and I don't want to carry a mouse.
There are generic Chinese cases with keyboard and trackpad but they look cheap to me (not only in the price).
Asus has a great BT piece called ASUS Transleeve Keyboard 90XB00HP-BKB090 or 90XB00HP-BSL070 that comes with a folding cover to place the tablet at the correct angle but I don't know if it will fit the Note Pro well.
Also, the keyboard is intended for a Windows tablet so maybe the multimedia keys will not function properly in Android.
Since the Accessories forum for the Note Pro is stagnant I figured we could make a list of the must have accessories one should get to further enjoy their Note Pro. If possible provide a link to where it can be purchased. Here is a list of the accessories I have so far:
ZAGG Keyboard Case:
Samsung Galaxy S-Pen Stylus Pen with Eraser for Galaxy Note II
Exact Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 / Tab Pro 12.2 Case
MobilePioneer USB 3.0 9pin OTG Host Flash Disk Cable
SanDisk Ultra 64GB MicroSDXC Class 10 UHS Memory Card
AmazonBasics 11.6-Inch Laptop and Tablet Bag
Mr Shield Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2" Anti-glare Screen Protector [3-PACK] with Lifetime Replacement Warranty
aLLreli® 10ft 3M Premium Gold Plated USB 3.0 Supper Speed Data Sync Charger Charging Braid Cable - Extra Long - USB 3.0 A Male to Micro B Male Adapter Cable Universal (about 10ft long)
Anything else you can recommend please post below. I know opinions vary on the keyboard case...many like the Logitech or Samsung keyboards. I plan on getting the Samsung version once the price comes down a bit...but I didn't like the Logitech keyboard because it was too bulky...
Great info. Thanks.
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Since the Accessories forum for the Note Pro is stagnant I figured we could make a list of the must have accessories one should get to further enjoy their Note Pro. If possible provide a link to where it can be purchased. Here is a list of the accessories I have so far:
ZAGG Keyboard Case:
Samsung Galaxy S-Pen Stylus Pen with Eraser for Galaxy Note II
Exact Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 / Tab Pro 12.2 Case
MobilePioneer USB 3.0 9pin OTG Host Flash Disk Cable
SanDisk Ultra 64GB MicroSDXC Class 10 UHS Memory Card
AmazonBasics 11.6-Inch Laptop and Tablet Bag
Mr Shield Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2" Anti-glare Screen Protector [3-PACK] with Lifetime Replacement Warranty
aLLreli® 10ft 3M Premium Gold Plated USB 3.0 Supper Speed Data Sync Charger Charging Braid Cable - Extra Long - USB 3.0 A Male to Micro B Male Adapter Cable Universal (about 10ft long)
Anything else you can recommend please post below. I know opinions vary on the keyboard case...many like the Logitech or Samsung keyboards. I plan on getting the Samsung version once the price comes down a bit...but I didn't like the Logitech keyboard because it was too bulky...
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- The Wacom Bamboo Stylus Feel for Galaxy Note. If you plan to do a lot of handwriting or just prefer a more pen-like feel.
Personally I prefer a sleeve and a seperate keyboard, so:
- Logitech K810 Bluetooth illuminated keyboard.
- Belkin Flipblade Adjust stand
- Samsung USB OTG adapter
- Logitech m705 marathon mouse (the logitech unifier reciever works with the OTG, so you can use any mouse/mouse+keyboard combo that uses that)
- Samsonite 13.3" Neoprene sleeve
- Samsonite 16" laptop&tablet messenger bag, or the Icicu 13.3" Neoprene tablet bag of I need a smaller bag. (not usually. I'm a woman, carry a lot of rubbish )
And on long days:
- X-Storm ASolar 15,600 mAh powerpack.
I don't provide links since I'm not in the US. (US doesn't ship electronics to and from the EU.)
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Thanks for adding these. I was looking at getting the LOgitech K810 but wasn't sure if it wasn't overkill for my needs. I do have a Motorola Bluetooth keyboard designed for Android that I didn't mention....so if the need comes along where I need a separate keyboard I have that one. As for the Samsonite bag....you have some expensive taste girl! THat bag be expensive!!!
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- The Wacom Bamboo Stylus Feel for Galaxy Note. If you plan to do a lot of handwriting or just prefer a more pen-like feel.
Personally I prefer a sleeve and a seperate keyboard, so:
- Logitech K810 Bluetooth illuminated keyboard.
- Belkin Flipblade Adjust stand
- Samsung USB OTG adapter
- Logitech m705 marathon mouse (the logitech unifier reciever works with the OTG, so you can use any mouse/mouse+keyboard combo that uses that)
- Samsonite 13.3" Neoprene sleeve
- Samsonite 16" laptop&tablet messenger bag, or the Icicu 13.3" Neoprene tablet bag of I need a smaller bag. (not usually. I'm a woman, carry a lot of rubbish )
And on long days:
- X-Storm ASolar 15,600 mAh powerpack.
I don't provide links since I'm not in the US. (US doesn't ship electronics to and from the EU.)
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mikespe said:
Thanks for adding these. I was looking at getting the LOgitech K810 but wasn't sure if it wasn't overkill for my needs. I do have a Motorola Bluetooth keyboard designed for Android that I didn't mention....so if the need comes along where I need a separate keyboard I have that one. As for the Samsonite bag....you have some expensive taste girl! THat bag be expensive!!!
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Well, I bought a NotePro, that should sufficiently confirm my rather expensive (but quite practical) taste
I figured, if I was going to spend my cash on a bag, might as well get myself one I can use for the next 10 years for everything. It wasn't too bad, considering the tab itself was 900 quid..
I use the keyboard about 25% of the time, so a case with a keyboard certainly would be overkill.
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I don't provide links since I'm not in the US.
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It would still be quite helpful to have your links to see pictures and model numbers. For example, I searched Samsonite 13.3" Neoprene Sleeve and there are several on Samsonite's website with a range of prices.
I also saw the post in which someone compared your Icicu bag dimensions to another (not nearly as elegant) bag. I looked up yours on the Icicu website and was disappointed there was no photo of the bag's interior (or even a closer view of the pockets). I wonder if you might be able to post photos of your bag with and without your things?
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- The Wacom Bamboo Stylus Feel for Galaxy Note. If you plan to do a lot of handwriting or just prefer a more pen-like feel.
- Logitech K810 Bluetooth illuminated keyboard.
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I also use this keyboard. I love the backlit keys and the ability to use the same keyboard with my tablet and my pc at the same time, switching between the two by simply pressing a button.
Other than that, I sometimes use a Logitech Zone Touch T400 mouse (I hate the noise the scrolling wheels make and this mouse solves that problem), although I primarily bought it to use with my laptop. The battery lasts forever.
I'm currently using the KLD case. I ordered a black one but it's really more of a dark brown with tan on the inside. I have a black Baseus case on the way.
I bought the Wacom Bamboo Stylus when I had a Note 10.1, but it wasn't as precise as the original pen, so I sent it back.
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Other than that, I sometimes use a Logitech Zone Touch T400 mouse (I hate the noise the scrolling wheels make and this mouse solves that problem), although I primarily bought it to use with my laptop. The battery lasts forever.
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Most Logitech mouses these days have two scroll options, smooth and toothed. The scroll button changes the setting The smooth scrolling is ideal at night when each click sounds like a gunshot.
I bought the Wacom Bamboo Stylus when I had a Note 10.1, but it wasn't as precise as the original pen, so I sent it back.
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It's a shame you didn't see this before you sold it : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54772260&postcount=18
I was just looking to order the Logitech keyboard for the Note Pro 12.2 and stumbled upon these two-
http://www.amazon.com/NEWSTYLE-Sams...ubst_pc_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=0XGC69TMKWY9KT0R7QK9
http://www.amazon.com/Ionic-Bluetoo...ubst_pc_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=0XGC69TMKWY9KT0R7QK9
It's a fraction the price of the Logitech. I was sure I was going to get the Logitech instead of the Zagg but now I think I should wait to see what other lower cost options exist.
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I was just looking to order the Logitech keyboard for the Note Pro 12.2 and stumbled upon these two-
http://www.amazon.com/NEWSTYLE-Sams...ubst_pc_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=0XGC69TMKWY9KT0R7QK9
http://www.amazon.com/Ionic-Bluetoo...ubst_pc_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=0XGC69TMKWY9KT0R7QK9
It's a fraction the price of the Logitech. I was sure I was going to get the Logitech instead of the Zagg but now I think I should wait to see what other lower cost options exist.
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I've had keyboards like that for other tablets and they worked ok for how little I used them. I had one that had issues pairing but that could have been the rom I was running at that time.....If you're going to be doing a LOT of typing then I'd invest in something better. But if you're just going to type once a week or every 2 weeks then this should work
THe thing I don't like about these cases, as well as the logitech one, is they are too bulky. One of the reasons I purchased the Note Pro is for how thin it is for it's size...I want to enjoy that aspect while using it.
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I've had keyboards like that for other tablets and they worked ok for how little I used them. I had one that had issues pairing but that could have been the rom I was running at that time.....If you're going to be doing a LOT of typing then I'd invest in something better. But if you're just going to type once a week or every 2 weeks then this should work
The thing I don't like about these cases, as well as the logitech one, is they are too bulky. One of the reasons I purchased the Note Pro is for how thin it is for it's size...I want to enjoy that aspect while using it.
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I was planning on getting a K810 anyway for home computing and that could have been the answer to everything but then I would have no case. Even if I got a different case it would mean carrying the keyboard separately and paying a premium for a case and separate keyboard like the K810. That was why I thought the Logitech Pro with the built in keyboard was the best choice but now I'm stumped again because of the whole K810 option. If I find a really nice case then maybe I wont mind spending $100 on the K810 and another $50 or so on a case.
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I was planning on getting a K810 anyway for home computing and that could have been the answer to everything but then I would have no case. Even if I got a different case it would mean carrying the keyboard separately and paying a premium for a case and separate keyboard like the K810. That was why I thought the Logitech Pro with the built in keyboard was the best choice but now I'm stumped again because of the whole K810 option. If I find a really nice case then maybe I wont mind spending $100 on the K810 and another $50 or so on a case.
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THIS is the case I bought and it only costs $13....I really like it a lot and for my needs it works quite well. I want to get the Otterbox case to use at work since I am a physical education teacher there's always that chance of something terrible happening to my technology. It adds bulk but for work at least I'll need something good...I have the Otterbox on my Note 2 and love it!! HERE is the screen protectors I am using and they also work quite well.
Even though I already have the ZAGG keyboard case I think I might also get the Samsung one as well. I here it's much better than the ZAGG & more durable...I'm just waiting for it to drop below $70...
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THIS is the case I bought and it only costs $13....I really like it a lot and for my needs it works quite well. I want to get the Otterbox case to use at work since I am a physical education teacher there's always that chance of something terrible happening to my technology. It adds bulk but for work at least I'll need something good...I have the Otterbox on my Note 2 and love it!! HERE is the screen protectors I am using and they also work quite well.
Even though I already have the ZAGG keyboard case I think I might also get the Samsung one as well. I here it's much better than the ZAGG & more durable...I'm just waiting for it to drop below $70...
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Thanks for the link. Here's one that seems to be really thin-
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=B00HM7MRU0&linkCode=as2&tag=wwwyoutube07a-20
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It's a shame you didn't see this before you sold it : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54772260&postcount=18
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Actually, I did shorten the nib as far as I could but it was still way off. It did not even occur to me to cut off the tip of the pen itself. I paid 45 dollars for it, I wanted it to work without looking like it was hacked by a two year old. So, the logical thing to do was to send it back and recover most of what I paid. I will get a Pilot pen and use that as a holder for the original pen like someone suggested in another thread, and I will have saved myself 40 dollars.
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Actually, I did shorten the nib as far as I could but it was still way off. It did not even occur to me to cut off the tip of the pen itself. I paid 45 dollars for it, I wanted it to work without looking like it was hacked by a two year old. So, the logical thing to do was to send it back and recover most of what I paid. I will get a Pilot pen and use that as a holder for the original pen like someone suggested in another thread, and I will have saved myself 40 dollars.
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Did you read the specific post? Because I am fundamentally opposed to cutting bits off a Wacom pen. I was describing the steps for the official method of adjusting the sensitivity and the offset...
Ruqayyah said:
It would still be quite helpful to have your links to see pictures and model numbers. For example, I searched Samsonite 13.3" Neoprene Sleeve and there are several on Samsonite's website with a range of prices.
I also saw the post in which someone compared your Icicu bag dimensions to another (not nearly as elegant) bag. I looked up yours on the Icicu website and was disappointed there was no photo of the bag's interior (or even a closer view of the pockets). I wonder if you might be able to post photos of your bag with and without your things?
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Certainly! I'll take some pictures once I get home!
Ok, the links:
The sleeve, this one: http://www.samsonite.co.uk/colorshi...-brown-turquoise/product-en.htm?or=4509575113
The Belkin flipblade: http://www.belkin.com/us/F5L084-Belkin/p/P-F5L084/
The 16" bag: http://www.samsonite.co.uk/intellio...6cm-16inch-black/product-en.htm?or=4509575113 (I love that it's expandable. Admittedly, won't fit my coat (That's what you get for having an ankle-long coat...) but I can get two tablets, documents, waterbottles and everything in it )
The Powerpack: http://www.conrad.com/ce/en/product...-385-Mobile-power-supply-Additional-battery-P
Mouse: http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/7108?crid=7
Keyboard: http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/bluetooth-illuminated-keyboard-k810?crid=26
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Did you read the specific post? Because I am fundamentally opposed to cutting bits off a Wacom pen. I was describing the steps for the official method of adjusting the sensitivity and the offset...
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Oh, you meant adjusting the potentiometer? I've tried that too, before cutting the nib, in fact, but I wasn't satisfied with the results. I used it with Note 10.1, maybe it works better on 12.2, but I didn't like it well enough to give it another try. The original pen still works best in my opinion and the Bamboo is not worth the expense.
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AmazonBasics 11.6-Inch Laptop and Tablet Bag
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Just curious to anyone who has this bag, how much room is left in the bag after the tablet is in it? Will it fit the tablet, with a keyboard case, a BT mouse, charger(s), and maybe a handful of odds and ends like a few file folders, pens/pencils, notebook, deck of Yugioh cards, etc.
How tight does it fit in the bag? It says it's for a 11.6" tablet, is the 12.2" Note Pro a tight fit?
I was actually looking at this one for about 50¢ more: ARCTIC MB201 Messenger Bag for Tablet/Laptop up to 12" Display , Water-Resistant Ballistic Nylon - Black
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Just curious to anyone who has this bag, how much room is left in the bag after the tablet is in it? Will it fit the tablet, with a keyboard case, a BT mouse, charger(s), and maybe a handful of odds and ends like a few file folders, pens/pencils, notebook, deck of Yugioh cards, etc.
How tight does it fit in the bag? It says it's for a 11.6" tablet, is the 12.2" Note Pro a tight fit?
I was actually looking at this one for about 50¢ more: ARCTIC MB201 Messenger Bag for Tablet/Laptop up to 12" Display , Water-Resistant Ballistic Nylon - Black
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The tablet JUST fits with the ZAGG keyboard case but you can fit cables & a mouse no problem
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The tablet JUST fits with the ZAGG keyboard case but you can fit cables & a mouse no problem
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Hmm... Maybe I'll have to look at something a hair bigger.
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I also saw the post in which someone compared your Icicu bag dimensions to another (not nearly as elegant) bag. I looked up yours on the Icicu website and was disappointed there was no photo of the bag's interior (or even a closer view of the pockets). I wonder if you might be able to post photos of your bag with and without your things?
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Here they are.
This is all the stuff I've got it in:
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The empty bag:
Front pocket
Tablet pocket
Big pocket
Back pocket
Filled bag:
I've got plenty of space left (front and back pockets are empty besides the two regular pens, adapters, charger and notepad) for my small first aid kit, sunglasses, flashdrives, tissues, small make-up kit and other random rubbish.
Also, my sleeve's content: (I don't always bring the charger, sometimes it's in my bag or I leave it at home. Ditto for the keyboard. The rest is always in there.)
Filled: