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The artical at androidheadlines says about significantly less sales figures of LG G2 in spite of being great phone. (I can not paste link here).
It says :
LG wanted to sell at least 3 million units internationally, too, but they’ve only sold 2.3 million, which is 20 percent less than what they were expecting to sell. To reach even those 2.3 million customers, LG had to increase its marketing budget, too, but it doesn’t look like their marketing campaigns have been very effective. Unfortunately for LG, marketing campaign effectiveness also depends on how strong your brand is and if you’re the kind of company that creates excellent products.
Whosoever has seen my G2 mobile felt that it is the one of the best phone which they also should have owned. However, most of them were pretty unaware (before they saw my phone) about LG G2.
What are the reasons do you all feel for low sales figures?
In my opinion, may be following are the reason for its poor sales,
1) Poor Marketting ?? - In India, I see that LG has advertised phone very poorly. Even their advertisements were not that catchy when compared to Sony Xperia Z1, iphone and Samsung phones.
2) Brand Value ?? - LG is not considered as top brand for their phones. In fact LG G2 is my first LG phone. Before that I have used Nokia N900, Galaxy S2, HTC, iphone...but never ever thought of buying LG phone.
3) Not removable battery ??
4) Position of buttons ??
5) Competion has better mobiles ?? - Samsung Galaxy S4 and Note 3, Xperia Z1, Iphone 5S, Lumia 1020
6) Launch of Nexus 5 ??
Do you see any other reason for its poor sale?
Another reason would be bad update behavior on previous phones.
Fir3blade said:
Another reason would be bad update behavior on previous phones.
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I don't think it's LG's update policy. The Mainstream doesn't care when or how they get updates, they even don't know which is the current Android Version. We (here on XDA) are only a view percent of all Consumers.
Although i agree on bad Marketing. On the launch of the S4 there've been dozens of TV commercials, Newspaper adds and and and .. honestly i haven't seen a single TV commercial about the G2
Before the G2 i owned the S4, which was rather quickly sold (no regrets - bad Phone in my opinion) and the HTC One. Seen the G2 in a Phoneshop and quickly fallen in love with it.
But anyhow that's the burden of small Phone builder companies like LG or HTC. They suffer from the almighty Samsung even they build the much better Phones. I always would prefer a HTC or LG device over Samsung but that's not what the mainstream thinks
Its just visibility thats hurting them. The HTC One and S4 get all the headlines in the Android world, as far as branded unit go, and the N5 gets all the headlines as far as software is concerned, but the nexus isnt a big seller, despite what the Nexus nazis think.
LG should take this as a learning curve and make sure LG G2 is updated quickly, also adveritse the next phone a more. The G Flex has got some coverage beacuse G2 rolled the ball for LG, now it is upto them to keep the momentum going.
2.3 million might not be a great number, but it is the beggining, probably LG will end with 2.5 million which is still pretty decent. This is how Galaxy series started for Samsung, G2 can do the same for LG.
It's all marketing. People will buy anything shoved in their face.
I'm in Malaysia and my G2 is a Taiwan set since LG Malaysia doesn't care at all to launch this device here. Luckily lots of importer saw this opportunity to sell imported sets here.
Brand? LG seems to be doing well in other department. It's all about marketing really. I was in Aeon plaza the other day. People were all flocking in Samsung shop while Sony shop next door is empty.
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What a shame. This is such a great phone.
I agree that the problem is branding and marketing. Samsung marketing budget is insane.
I see LG commercials on TV all the time, plus the carriers seem to be pushing the phone. I guess it comes down to brand recognition and a bad reputation of being slow on updates..if any at all, they're headed down the right track if they keep the momentum going, 2014 could be a successful year for them.
I think the problem lies with the salespeople. When I was waiting for the Sprint variant to come out, I went to 5 different stores that sold cell phones (2 best buys, 2 AT&T stores, and a Sprint store.) Only one of them, of the five had a G2 on the display. There weren't any advertisements for the G2 (posters, nothing.) in 3 of the stores, and 2 of the stores the salespeople didn't even know what a G2 was.
The only store that had a demo unit was the second Best Buy I visited and when I went to pick up my device from them, they insisted I go with the Note 3. I just have to say, with Samsung being the standard, it's hard to fight against but LG's marketing is very weak here, at least in Jacksonville FL. Of course, all five stores I visited had Samsung ads plastered on every square inch of available space they had.
One thing: LG needs to dish out faster updates. Like Kitkat should come in Jan 2014 itself. All the trch websites are bound to pick up on that. Samsung nerds did good publicity for them and hence they are where they are. LG needs to make sure that whatever limited customer base they have gets the best service in terms of hardware and software.
Average buyers will follow soon.
1 For many people that know about the companies, it's the history of the updates. I was very hesitant because of that. That can be corrected if they push out updates and keep them coming for at least a couple android versions. Look at Samsung's reputation after the Moment. That phone was a pain in the arse and turned me off of Samsung. But they have definitely come back from that. LG can do the same by keeping this phone up to date.
1 For the general population is the timing. A LOT of people renewed their contracts with a HTC One, or the S4 or Note3. So they "couldn't" get the G2, because they don't want to pay full price.
Having a removable battery and an SDcard slot would have been a huge benefit.
Marketing would have helped a lot too, especially for companies like Sprint with the G2 being the first phone to support Sprint Spark. And for Verizon to advertise more about the wireless charging being built in.
For the comment about the sales people, at the Sprint store I went to, they highly recommended the G2 when I went in to compare the S4 and the G2.
I think it's due to the marketing of the device more so than the reputation of LG. I've seen maybe 5 G2 commercials on prime time TV shows. They need to sell the strengths of the phone, which to me is the speed and the huge battery. Only once have I completely drained the battery and that's because I was using it literally all day. If they sold it like the droids 48 hour battery life and mentioned the processor is on par with a new laptop people would be more interested. I think Samsung has cornered the market with the S4 because of their marketing. Don't they have a marketing budget of like $24 BILLION next year? It's hard to compete with something like that.
Personally, I'm always apprehensive about buying any sort of electronics device. I never want to get stuck with a lemon but sometimes it happens. The only thing I can do to try to avoid that is to read and watch reviews to get a better sense of whats out there. Sales people are generally going to do whats best for them. They want the commission. So that said, I almost didn't go with the G2 because the reviews were very negative. In retrospect, I can honestly say the reviews were incredibly unfair. But the average person might be swayed by them. Seriously, if Apple or Samsung put the volume and power button in the middle of the back of the phone it would be hailed as innovation. But LG did it and it was panned. The funny thing is, I don't think its nearly that big of a change as reviews made it out to be.
I think Post #2 hit the nail on the head.
LG really screwed over every previous owner with updates. And you can't say "oh the average user doesn't care about updates" is a big load of crap. People have been expecting updates ever since the first iPhone. This isn't 2005 where everyone has a flip dumbphone. EVERYONE looks for updates. Why do you think Samsung is so big now? Because everyone knows that Samsung will push 1-2 updates out to you and the software is quality. LG got the G2 right with software and hardware quality (no bugs or broken issues) but past LG phones have been notoriously known for having quirky bugs (reboot issues, overheating, GPS, etc) and never getting updated.
LG's previously history is so bad, that I am receiving Class Action Lawsuit papers in the mail on the LG G2x.
This hurts sales and it is nobodies fault except LG. This is exactly what happens when you don't take care of your customers (in any aspect; washer/dryer, tv, etc). I love the G2, as many do, but I really really really beat myself up over picking one up. I almost didn't do it just because it had LG on the front.
I can see LG has a winner with the G2. Their marketing team is doing a great job because I am seeing tons of commercials and ads for it. The name is getting out there and sales will probably be steady moving forward. But LG has to keep the ball moving with a steady stream of updates for the G2 or else they will be right back in the same "oh our sales numbers are low and we don't know why" category next generation.
Bad marketing and the name brand are the culprits.
An average Joe doesn't know and doesn't care about what inside the device, left alone which version of the OS. They don't know whether its 4.2.2 or 4.4.2. Average Joes don't care about the update, they just simply want to use the phone.
Samsung is too big in the market and overshadow the LG, not only in the the Android phone market but also in TV market.
It's the brand and marketing. Plane and simple. A name like galaxy sticks in your head. You hear droid... and you know what someone is talking about. G2? It doesn't stick in the mind. People like catchy. Also, Sammy slammed the crap out of iPhones in its commercials. The next big thing is already here. That's genius. Learning from you.. yawn lol. Why did the og droid do so well? Was it better then an iPhone at the time? No.. but it's ad campaign and branding was amazing. The idont commercial was one of the best ever.
When non android users ask me about my g2.. they say one of 2 things. Is that one of those galaxy phones or is that a droid phone?
When the galaxy nexus was first leaked, it was either the droid nexus or nexus prime. I was actually really bummed when it was called a galaxy because of how cool nexus prime sounded to me. Point is, I almost didn't buy it because of its name.
Branding matters....
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I think how its been marketed and not the quantity of ads. I've seen a ton of ads in southern California, but it's all about the back buttons and camera.
If they focused on how much of a beast it is, it might have turned a few more heads.
The droid 48 hour claim ain't nothing (good commercial though). I'm on hour 58 with 25% battery remaining.
It's a beast, sell it as such.
My $0.02
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They definitely need to push the battery more in their advertising. It's the only reason I got this over the Nexus 5!
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I think Post #2 hit the nail on the head.
LG really screwed over every previous owner with updates. And you can't say "oh the average user doesn't care about updates" is a big load of crap. People have been expecting updates ever since the first iPhone. This isn't 2005 where everyone has a flip dumbphone. EVERYONE looks for updates.
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This is simply not true. Out of EVERYONE I know with an Android phone, not a single one of them has EVER asked me how I like the new update, or when will we get an update. EVER. Those of us that know anything about upcoming updates are the rarity. We only know about them because of the sites we visit and participate in. Most likely a fraction of a % of the total smartphone universe.
Thanks Devs. From my VZW G2.
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This is simply not true. Out of EVERYONE I know with an Android phone, not a single one of them has EVER asked me how I like the new update, or when will we get an update. EVER. Those of us that know anything about upcoming updates are the rarity. We only know about them because of the sites we visit and participate in. Most likely a fraction of a % of the total smartphone universe.
Thanks Devs. From my VZW G2.
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My colleague has said this to me, "All I did is install an update and everything looks different."
I believe that people want to be on the latest software available to them, but don't have the slightest clue what's different between versions.
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1Zg0xL
This article was made by Techcrunch and they placed the LG G2 in the "Ugly" section, with the likes of the Galaxy Gear.
I just cannot understand this. The LG G2 is by far the best phone of the year spec wise. In reality, it is an awesome phone. I love it to pieces. I believe it to be exceptional. So why is it that these guys focus on the buttons being on the back? In my eyes, that is no downfall. Sure it can take a while to get used to, but it shouldn't be responsible for making an exceptional piece of equipment non-exceptional.
Let's open this up to thoughts of the list and anything else you guys think.
Also, I would like to point out that Chromecast, for whatever odd reason, is not on this list. This list is turning out to be nothing but an infuriating advertising model.
It is preference based, just like you hate the Gear other people love it. The G2 is a great peice of hardware and by far the best this year. So dont follow other peoples opinions and enjoy this beast.
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Those same people are the ones that buy every Samsung models that comes out and rates them 11/10 no matter how ****ty they are. Point is that many Samsung fans are upset by the fact that LG can make a flagship model that can compete with their best flagship for half the price. In contrast to Samsung, LG actually dares to make a quite radical change which Samsung has not done for very long. I do however believe that it will change next year.
I've always been a Samsung person from the days of dumb phones, going back to the original Galaxy right up till the Note 2 and never gave LG a fair shake really.
Recently got an LG G2 and I've been thoroughly impressed so far. Sold my Note 2 for roughly what I got the G2 for it.
There is nothing ugly about the G2 (especially the White colour). Whoever wrote that article must have cataracts.
I really like the back buttons, the up and down surface area makes pressing them quite comfortable.
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The buttons were long over do. LG was just the first to figure it out. Your fingers are always on the back of the phone anyways. Why not have a button where your fingers are buy default?
LG did everything right with the g2 except the slippery feel of it.
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jbaalson said:
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1Zg0xL
This article was made by Techcrunch and they placed the LG G2 in the "Ugly" section, with the likes of the Galaxy Gear.
I just cannot understand this. The LG G2 is by far the best phone of the year spec wise. In reality, it is an awesome phone. I love it to pieces. I believe it to be exceptional. So why is it that these guys focus on the buttons being on the back? In my eyes, that is no downfall. Sure it can take a while to get used to, but it shouldn't be responsible for making an exceptional piece of equipment non-exceptional.
Let's open this up to thoughts of the list and anything else you guys think.
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This sites are sponsored sites, I never take in consideration what this kind of sites writes, the same goes for phandroid, etc.
Most rubbish-est-est rubbish I've read in a long time.
Rubbish.
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Maybe is because Samsung pay then
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I agree with everything on here. I have had five phones in the past 4 years.
Samsung
Motorola Triumph
Huawei
Motorola Droid RAZR M
HTC Droid DNA
LG
The Droid DNA was an amazing phone, but I love the G2. The innovation that went into this was very thoughtful and has won me over.
"Looks" are obviously opinion based so I could care less that they rated it as ugly. I however find the buttons unique and fully functional. It is really hard to find any tech writers that aren't biased but that's reality. I don't need a positively written article about the G2 to justify my purchase. I got it because I wanted it.
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No worries. Even their avid readers are bashing on the article.
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The buttons were long over do. LG was just the first to figure it out. Your fingers are always on the back of the phone anyways. Why not have a button where your fingers are buy default?
LG did everything right with the g2 except the slippery feel of it.
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I highly disagree; the buttons are an abortion on the G2, Flex, etc. It's different to be different. If it weren't for knock-on, I'd go insane.
Seriously, I bet Knock On was engineered after usability got ahold of the phone with the buttons on the back.
I'm so curious, I created a poll http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2595324
I think LG G2 is the "phone of the year."
After Knox security debacle, I doubt which enthusiast or modder will ever buy their phones? After you trip the Knox counter the warranty is permanently void.
TechCrunch is on Samsh*t's payroll.
With LG G2, I can flash custom roms to my heart's content and go back to stock in 10 minutes via an easy procedure. That's what matters to me the most.
What is so ugly about a phone with hardly any wasted space? Back buttons make a phone ugly?
http://www.appy-geek.com/Web/ArticleWeb.aspx?regionid=1&articleid=35945182
This looks cool if it's going to be available to current G3 owners as well.. I tried the Samsung one and that was surprisingly good on the Note 4s screen.. Would like to see how this compares to our G3 freebie.. *allegedly* anyways lol
Sounds interesting. Thanks for the heads-up. Now we just wait to find out "select markets" means 'not me' lol.
I'll just be happy to get lollipop lol
Interesting... Does it mean that VR will be released for free only for new owners (means, for those who will buy new device???)
I would hope not, quite a lot of people who just bought one, mine was only bought 5 months ago tops. Whats nice is that this is a cheap headset. Just saw a video about Mattel releasing a new Viewmaster that uses this Google Cardboard tech, its only going to run $30 at retail when it hits this fall and uses whatever phone you throw in there pretty much. So I'm hoping LG just lets us apply to get one
us residents, visit my thread to learn how to enter, and for full terms and conditions!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-lg-g3/accessories/vr-g3-t3049807
I bought 2 G3s for my wife and I 2 weeks ago...Would be nice to get grandfathered into the VR deal.
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I bought 2 G3s for my wife and I 2 weeks ago...Would be nice to get grandfathered into the VR deal.
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It can probably be pulled off. We got retro'd for the extra battery when it came available. Pretty sure someone will post on it.
The V10 is an awesome device. I've been going through all reviews (Youtube & Forums alike), and I'm pretty much okay with it more than any flagship currently on the market. However, the October release of the V10 is kind of awkward and untimely considering (rumors) that they plan to announce the LG G5 in the first quarter of 2016. As a keen tech-savvy consumer / power user, I am aware that flagships grow exponentially every year offering the same premium price (i.e. S6 is an improvement of the Note 4, and probably the S7 will be an improvement of the Note 5). So it is highly likely that the LG G5 will be an improved version of the V10, and the V11 will be obviously a step up higher than the G5.
While I am not in a hurry to buy a new phone, despite my very crappy/laggy cheap Lenovo A536, I am still occasionally tempted to get the V10 (especially when my current phone freezes to eternity). On the other hand, it keeps me from doing that as I am anticipating LG's announcement at CES 2016 in a month or two from now, which will be readily available on the market by March or April, offering it at an introductory price that would be the same with the V10 right now.
Also, another thing that keeps me from getting the V10 is the massive size of it, when the G5 will very likely inherit its features with a 5.5-inch display and slightly better specs + ergonomics.
Well if there's no hurry then there's no harm in waiting to see what is out there. New phones are always coming out
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If you have a barely usable phone now - get a new phone soon as possible.
As for waiting for the next best thing ... what are you going to do in March when that edition comes out and they announce they'll be another phone coming.
The differences in the phones is somewhat minimal.
Go to the stores, spend time with each model you like and get the one that feels right. Its far more productive to have a useful tool than it is to have a tool that doesn't work. Waiting for the 'bigger-better-deal' in the next 3 to 4 months is keeping you from being productive today.
This is just my opinion. Good luck in your choice.
I voted no, wait for the G5. Or go a different route.
I'm actively trying to trade out of my v10. I like aspects of the phone, but if and until certain software changes are made there are better options out there now.
I love having a SD card and removable battery, but the fingerprint scanner sucks. The DPI on this phone is ridiculous. I mean, when the phone is in landscape you can't even see all the options in the sound menu.
I'm on Verizon, so I can't (yet, if ever) root and fix these issues myself. If that changes, my opinion would. Just a few tweaks could fix this phone. The outlook is dim, however, and as it stands currently I can't recommend it.
I got the v10 for the free stuff. My mom is enjoying her free tablet from T-Mobile and I love having the 200gb sd card, extra battery and charging cradle. It has its issue but honestly it is a very solid phone that works well overall. It's not bleeding edge but that has its advantages of being more stable overall. I agree with the other posters, if your phone is on its last legs like my note 2 was get the v10 you'll enjoy it, if your current phone is chugging along fine just wait for the next model.
So it REALLY depends on what you want to do with the device.
If you're interested in having the "latest and greatest" or are doing thing that might require a device that has the highest possible components, then I'd wait. If you're looking for a REALLY good device, then I'd go with the V10.
Coming from the Note III, I LOVE my V10. It's a great device
I wouldn't consider going to the V10 settling!
There will always be a latest and greatest. Once the G5 comes around, there will be rumors of a newer device. If you don't know what you want yet, and your current phone is at its end, buy a used nexus 6 or g4 for cheap until you make up your mind.
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Yep.. If you feel like you are settling you shouldn't get it.
Depends on what you want. G5 might have a better camera, but probably a smaller display, no 2nd screen, no HiFi DAC/amp, etc. Unless it comes with an OLED screen, maintains microSD & battery swap, and immensely better camera - I probably won't care.
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I wouldn't consider going to the V10 settling!
There will always be a latest and greatest. Once the G5 comes around, there will be rumors of a newer device. If you don't know what you want yet, and your current phone is at its end, buy a used nexus 6 or g4 for cheap until you make up your mind.
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Thanks! One of the things I also need is the Dual-SIM feature. While I know that some have the H961 available, I still do not see it on my trusted seller's offerings yet. I really need that Dual-SIM as I live in Asia. I currently have an unlimited data sim separate from my daily calling and texting sim card. I do understand though that LG G5 will offer that as well but a month after the official model is released, same was with the LG G4.
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Depends on what you want. G5 might have a better camera, but probably a smaller display, no 2nd screen, no HiFi DAC/amp, etc. Unless it comes with an OLED screen, maintains microSD & battery swap, and immensely better camera - I probably won't care.
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Rumors say that it will have a 5.6-inch QHD display? Either way, 5.5-inch is enough for my needs, and a .1 inch difference from a V10 is negligible to me. Wouldn't care much about the 2nd screen.
I'm waiting for the G5 personally. Its only a few months around the corner most likely.
I would trade V10 with G5 IF the G5 have front facing speaker,sd card, removable battery and a camera that even better than G4 and V10 (since i got no. 3 in photograph contest while most people using a DSLR camera )
So far i really like my V10 right now, so far a really great device imo and i would stay with V10 if G5 doesnt meet my requirement
LG 5 rumors suggest the battery won't be removable so that may be a deal breaker for some. The rumored specs don't seem much superior over the v10
Oh really thats a bummer, i heard it use SD 820 chip i dont know if it worth a trade
But removable battery kinda a huge deal for me
It's about time I upgraded my G3 and naturally I'm looking at the newer G5 but I've read a lot of mixed reviews. If you had the chance again, would you buy it again? I'm going the unlocked way because I'm not wanting to add another $30 to my cell bill so that disregards many other newer phones. The 3T is the only other option I'm really debating (yes I'm trying to be cost efficient)... Any thoughts?
Don't do it. The G5 is a nice enough phone, but LG's support for is it pathetic. I have the factory unlocked RS988, and there's no Nougat update anywhere in sight. All the major carriers have been updated, but the factory unlocked version of this flagship phone (which should have been first) gets nothing but mixed messages from LG's customer service team. Throw in the way that the "friends" modules were botched to the point where you have to wonder why no one has filed a class-action law suit, and you have the perfect storm of customer discontentment. In case you didn't already know: the Camera Plus module has major compatibility and charging issues, the highly regarded Bang & Olufsen Hi-fi module is not available is most markets including the US, the Rolling Ball never made it past the demo mode and the 360 VR headset is practically useless due to the lack of supporting apps (no Google Cardboard support, in spite of ads saying otherwise). The only decent module was the 360 Cam, which works with any Android phone.
Well in the opposite end of this guy. If you your looking for phone with root and such. Make sure version 850 and 830 is in your country. If that doesn't matter to you then fine. This phone is definitely worth getting. For $300 and specs, you won't find a better deal.
Seems like newer manufacturered versions have less issues. Before you buy make sure its newer. It will be on the box.
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It's about time I upgraded my G3 and naturally I'm looking at the newer G5 but I've read a lot of mixed reviews. If you had the chance again, would you buy it again? I'm going the unlocked way because I'm not wanting to add another $30 to my cell bill so that disregards many other newer phones. The 3T is the only other option I'm really debating (yes I'm trying to be cost efficient)... Any thoughts?
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well...in my opinion it is totally worthy of its money...i was previous user of oneplus device (OPX) and i didnt had great time with the support the phone had +way oneplus mainly treated their <<low>> end device...the G5 on the other hand i got it some months now and i regret absolutely nothing about it,got the official update and its still running smooth and perfect...i cant compare it with other devices in its category as its my first flagship phone....all i can say is that iam 100 happy about the specs and especially its price