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What is cynagenmod and what's so "great" about it?
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At the time cyanogen brought a lot of features we now use everyday. Os optimizations apps to sd. Things lf that nature. It is fully opensource and open to anyone to use.
I am fascinated and captivated by the vibrant screen on my epic galaxy s.
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What is cynagenmod and what's so "great" about it?
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The ability to customize the phone, the stability, the speed, the battery life, and it gives phones the the g1/dream froyo which I guess was deemed impossible. It also gives users great support and updates quite frequently.
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The ability to customize the phone, the stability, the speed, the battery life, and it gives phones the the g1/dream froyo which I guess was deemed impossible. It also gives users great support and updates quite frequently.
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Plus it is a large group of people that work collectively together, they along with a few others are the ones that the leading "cutting edge" devs........ they blazed the trail and now all of us and the current devs benefit from their work.
Yea. Since its built from scratch it is faster than any roms here.
The g1 roms were same speed rooted or not
When cm came it was fast! And then a rom based on cm called super d was even faster and then a european rom was fastest!
So what I'm trying to say is, CM is and will be faster than the ROMs built here overclocked or not because the ROMs found here are based on the Official Froyo made by Samsung not a Vanilla Gingerbread rom built from scratch
So I think something built frrom scratch is better than something just modified and themed
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It's built from scratch using the AOSP source, which a lot of ROMs are not (many ROMs are merely modified versions of existing stock ROMs).
It has an extensive amount of customization and flexibility beyond any other ROM I've ever used on an Android device.
I don't mind the ROM I'm running on my Vibrant, but I miss CyanogenMod. Since the CM7 release candidate for the MT4G just hit, I think it's time for me to change it up a bit. I'm tired of my short-range wifi (seriously, less than full bars when I'm only six feet away from my 802.11n router?), non-functional GPS and totally wonky compass, anyway.
I think one of its advantages is the sheer size of the community, if you've ever used various Linux distributions the same concept applies. When your user base expands to the point where you've got dozens if not hundred of loyal users posting guides, reporting bugs, requesting features, and answering new user's questions the community really feeds on itself and builds momentum. Cyanogen is largely responsible for a lot of the momentum in the rom community, and I know it's brought more people to the community than almost any other project.
A lot of things.
The cyanogenmod options alone are worth it - VM Heap, swap, JIT, compcache, et cetera. Granted these things are more relevant to lower end devices. Then there's the native ADW launcher integration. I've never been about to replace the stock launcher with ADW and get the same results.
It's really just its use in practice. Everything works, the interface is very instant/responsive (no jagged animations/scrolling, ever), no force closes, lots of mods/hacks for it from the community, which in general is very scrutinous about performance/stability hangups. Battery life twice what you're use to.
They're the only ROM team I've donated to. I flashed hundreds of roms when I had my Magic (one of the hardware-weakest android phones) but CM is what kept it up to par, giving me an extra generation's life out of it.
I personally love all the features built in, like pulldown menu modifications, as well as pretty much customizing every aspect, NO roms like that exist for our Vibrants..
It is Cyan in color, and mod like the british music scene duh!
hmm... I might have to give cm7 a try once they get it working on the vibrant. They are working on it right? If the manufactures were smart, they would give a pre-release phone to those guys before it's available to the public. Of course, the carriers may not like it. I just purchased my vibrant 3 weeks ago (former iphone 4 user). I tried a few darkyy's roms, then toxic, then finally I stuck with trigger. I'm very satisfied with it - mainly b/c everything works nice and smooth.
I see I'm a bit late but yes, Trigger is awesome. I tried flashing others and I always come back after 2days tops.... For some reason, Trigger runs so much smoother than the other ROMs on my phone... And I have tried 2.2.1(Honestly I dont get the difference) and I am not a fan of the 2.3.3 because most say the GPS doesn't work and I use my GPS at work, yes through my phone(I'm cheap). Plus that is one of my reasons for buying a "smart phone" It has everything at your finger tips, or supposed to at least right. Hope your having fun.,..... BTW, CM is freaking awesome on every device I have seen it on...... I'm actually curious to know why it's not on the Vibrant as an official build but eh..... It will come when it's ready I suppose
Hi. I wa going to start testing the cm nightly but I still think ol' sammy has done some good stuff in their android release so... yeah I would like to keep stuff like "put phone to ear when smsing " and other stuff.
Now to my q. Wasn't there a project somewhere trying to port all apps from different manufacturer's so they could be included in aosp roms? Though it had something to do with cyanogenmod but Im maybe wrong...
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Not sure about that but they will all rely on frameworks from each specific device so I don't see that project being feasible.
I won't be going to aosp just yet. The unused touchwiz overhead is not so much that I want to lose Samsung features
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A search would have told you no. It is not going to happen. CM only uses open source coded apps and non of the Samsung apps are. So if you want an AOSP based rom you will have to be willing to lose the Samsung apps and features.
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Check out this thread, its a sgs3 pack for the galaxy nexus.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1669190
Tried it, works quite fine, however some strange rendering with touchwiz (think cause its targeted for the nexus, which has on screen navigation buttons)
I think you mean the openDESIGN project which aims to rewrite popular features from scratch to unify great features from different manufacturers in Cyanogenmod.
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I think its a bit of a waste to goto CM9 only to put back all the bloatware.. And there ate still issues with CM9 for the s3
I persoanlly have gone for one of the other roms, that is deodexed etc, so that it can be modified to an extent, whilst keeping a lot of its usefulness
It runs a little better than stock, seem to have slightly better battery life, and some custom mods that i want
I am itching to try cm9.. I did install paranoid rom, but i think its a little early yet for someone that needs some things to work right.. Cm7 on the nexus s was good.. When cm9 is that good it will get installed on my phone
Hi guys,
can you help me understanding the main pros/cons for going with Samsung JB or an AOSP rom on the Galaxy S3?
I've tried searching the forum but without luck, anyone got a thread link where this is covered?
My first Samsung (S3) phone is on its way by mail, and I'm trying to decide which type of rom to choose.
Off course I see the obvious stuff like:
Open vs Closed source
Stock vs Custom UI
But, except for the above; why should I choose an optimized (de-odexed, de-bloated etc. etc.) Samsung JB rom over an AOSP rom?
From what I can understand custom kernels also exists for both rom types, so that wouldn't be an argument right?
I'm not familiar with the current HW support in AOSP rom's for the S3. Generally this has been where roms for my HTC phones have differed in the past. What's the status with the S3, do AOSP support most of the stuff or is there still some way to go?
Please shed some light for me :fingers-crossed:
And please don't compare specific rom's against each others. I'm trying to understand this at higher level, I will off course test several rom's and make up my own mind about what specific rom release is best suited for me.
Samsung roms will have all the things mentioned in the ads such as direct call, smart stay, multi window etc. Aosp won't have these as they are samsungs additions. Samsung will have touchwiz launcher as default, which comes with a lot of samsung only widgets. Aosp will have vanilla launcher (with some extra functions and tweaks).
Sammy roms generally have better camera than aosp. Aosp is considered to have better battery usage although I can't really tell from my experience of using both types.
Deodexed means it's easier to develop themes for, as the external odex files are repackaged into the apks directly. But it will take a while longer when booting, as odex files are meant to speed up this process. As for the actual usage, not much difference.
Debloated means getting rid of bloatware that come with your phone, sich as chaton, google talk etc. There will be quite a lot of apps that you don't use but will be present and wasting your phone resources. Debloating is done by some developers but you can do most of ot yourself as long as you're rooted.
Hope this clears things. But these are all general, as you wished it to be. Some aosp will have different launcher options etc, so will sammy roms. As for what you go with, I'll leave it up to you.
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Thanks a lot xcly, this clears up some stuff for me
You say that Sammy roms have better camera, what about the rest of the HW support on AOSP? The rest of the stuff (GPS, Accel, Gyro etc.) works ok?
From what I can gather from your post (and reading around) the choice boils down to two main points for me
HW support
Kernel (stability and performance, ofwhich battery performance is derived)
I don't care much for the 'Samsung features' (direct call, smart stay, multi window etc.) and the launcher can always be customized.
Additionally my previous experience is that the continious devlopment done on AOSP (with nightlies etc.) gives a nice feeling of continous improvement that you miss from manufacturer roms. For manufacturer roms you're relying on manufacturer relase schedules and leaks. But off course, one can argue that there is continous development through hacking, back-porting and kernel improvements for these roms as well..
Ultimately I think Ill just have to try out the most popular roms of both types before I'm able to decide what type I go with as a daily driver.
As for kernels most of then support both aosp and sammy so don't worry about it too much. Gps wifi and the lot work well on both as well.
Samsung didn't release any source code for its processor so aosp roms can never realise the full potential. Never had any trouble using aosp so I wouldn't say there is a huge difference, but I guess some advanced users will miss the hw side of things..
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Simple to say
TouchWiz UI and pure Android UI.
Other things basically are very similar
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Haha nice. All my words in a single sentence
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Here is some personal feeling about them.
As you can see from my signature that I had Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus before, and after I lost my GNex, I tried to buy a Nexus 4, but it kinda like mission impossible as it's serious outta supply, so I was forced to make compromise and go with Galaxy S III, which is very nice phone through some thing I don't like such as hardware button and soft key (because GNex uses virtual button on screen which is completely customizable ).
I have been using AOSP ROM for over a year (well, it's outta options actually as they are Google's sons but Samsung didn't make a ROM for them even they are manufactured by Samsung , and 3 month with Sammy ROM.
Even I got my S3, the first thing I have done is flash AOSP ROM and get my feeling about GNex back, but unfortunately due to some reasons, I couldn't make it become GNex-like and realize it is something fool, so I tried Sammy stock ROM.
My first feeling about it is a little prettier than AOSP ( through there's countless themes for AOSP, I am just talking about default theme ) and some Sammy features are very interesting and attractive. (IMHO, I'd say it is more user-friendly to users ) which is why I decided to stay with it , but after all these times, I didn't actually use these features much except multi windows and slide to dial...
OK, sorry for my non sense words and my bad English just can exactly express what I trying to say...
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FoxHound rom is all you need.
crDroid is the most stable Sammy Tom out there with the option of having an AOSP theme & not installing all the bloatware that Samsung Roms are notorious for.
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A quick follow up question
Just a quick follow up question regarding HW support:
Whats the status for AOSP roms regarding MHL, does it work?
I recently saw a video where a guy paired his phone with a PS3 controller and played games on his HD TV. Would this possible on non-Sammy roms?
Can't help you much on that. Never tried mhl on my s3, aosp or otherwise. You're better off asking/searching in cm thread. If it works on cm, it'd probably work on other aosp roms too.
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Just a quick follow up question regarding HW support:
Whats the status for AOSP roms regarding MHL, does it work?
I recently saw a video where a guy paired his phone with a PS3 controller and played games on his HD TV. Would this possible on non-Sammy roms?
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You need to read the relevant rom threads or logically ask in those threads .
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I never thought there would come a day when I would say this about a manufacturer skin, but I'm actually enjoying the .290 Sony 4.3 firmware better than CM 10.2 (And I've been a militant CM supporter/user since version 6.1 -- 4 years ago in the Froyo days). Is it just me or do the Sony firmware builds feel noticeably faster? Also the battery life seems to be improved vs CM and the keyboard is sized more appropriately, etc. etc. The small apps are a nifty feature.
Now I never had stability problems with CM 10.2 so it's not about that; CM 10.2 is rock solid, maybe even slightly more stable than the Stock sony firmware but the Sony firmware seems so so much faster! What say you XDA friends? Do you agree? Am I insane?
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I never thought there would come a day when I would say this about a manufacturer skin, but I'm actually enjoying the .290 Sony 4.3 firmware better than CM 10.2 (And I've been a militant CM supporter/user since version 6.1 -- 4 years ago in the Froyo days). Is it just me or do the Sony firmware builds feel noticeably faster? Also the battery life seems to be improved vs CM and the keyboard is sized more appropriately, etc. etc. The small apps are a nifty feature.
Now I never had stability problems with CM 10.2 so it's not about that; CM 10.2 is rock solid, maybe even slightly more stable than the Stock sony firmware but the Sony firmware seems so so much faster! What say you XDA friends? Do you agree? Am I insane?
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No, you're, definitely, not insane and you're not alone on this! Exactly, my feelings. I've never thought that one day I'll start liking one manufacturer's skin/UI better than stock Android. But, it happened. And as a result, I've purchased the Xperia Z Ultra. Couldn't be happier more. It's the best phone I've ever owned.
I have to say/admit that I've faced more stability issues on CM more than Sony's firmwares. And for speed : Yes, it's definitely faster! IMHO, Sony's software engineers are done an excellent job for optimizing the software in the best possible way. There is zero lag, zero glitches etc. Just, very buttery smooth experience.
After the Mr. Kazuo Hirai's becoming the presiden and the CEO of Sony, many things have been changed fundamentally and noticeably. They got their innovation back as it was in 90s and 80s and one more time, started to make some unique products (QX10/QX100, first mirrorless Full-Frame camera except Leica : A7/A7r etc.) like walkman back in the day.
Hopefully, they'll keep this momentum and innovation as long as they can and we will benefit/enjoy of these great products.
Cheers,
Tarkan
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I never thought there would come a day when I would say this about a manufacturer skin, but I'm actually enjoying the .290 Sony 4.3 firmware better than CM 10.2 (And I've been a militant CM supporter/user since version 6.1 -- 4 years ago in the Froyo days). Is it just me or do the Sony firmware builds feel noticeably faster? Also the battery life seems to be improved vs CM and the keyboard is sized more appropriately, etc. etc. The small apps are a nifty feature.
Now I never had stability problems with CM 10.2 so it's not about that; CM 10.2 is rock solid, maybe even slightly more stable than the Stock sony firmware but the Sony firmware seems so so much faster! What say you XDA friends? Do you agree? Am I insane?
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No you're right, sony have done it right!
They've allowed you to keep the fluidity of stock android and have given you customization that dont slow the phone down
I couldnt be happier with my Z Ultra
It used to be that the smartphone SoC was very limited in terms of capability so a clean ROM is the better choice. But with rapid development and less bloat on Sony's UI (+cool design) and slower Android upgrade it is clearly better now. So yeah, not that much reason should i jump to CM ROM again (unlike previous RAZR MAXX of mine) for now Maybe if the Android 5.0 come out in the future i guess but for now no..
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I never thought there would come a day when I would say this about a manufacturer skin, but I'm actually enjoying the .290 Sony 4.3 firmware better than CM 10.2 (And I've been a militant CM supporter/user since version 6.1 -- 4 years ago in the Froyo days). Is it just me or do the Sony firmware builds feel noticeably faster? Also the battery life seems to be improved vs CM and the keyboard is sized more appropriately, etc. etc. The small apps are a nifty feature.
Now I never had stability problems with CM 10.2 so it's not about that; CM 10.2 is rock solid, maybe even slightly more stable than the Stock sony firmware but the Sony firmware seems so so much faster! What say you XDA friends? Do you agree? Am I insane?
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I Concur! I've had this device for about three months, & I really enjoy it also! I purchased it with the Sony UI in mind and sure enough it did not disappoint. I wasn't upset to see the Google edition released so soon after I bought this one. This is really the longest I've ever went without root also, as most prior phones did not make the 30 day mark.
I honestly would be happy with root access on the stock Sony Rom, however with all the confusion of root methods / model numbers / TA partitions / possibility of losing LTE, I'm just really trying to be patient. I kept in mind that buying such a large (under the radar phone) my slow my ability to tinker with it, but it's beginning to a bit of a hassle without root.
I recently accepted the 4.3 update, & the speed and mellow performance was noticed immediately. I was trying to stay on 4.2 as I had read different threads saying it was able to be rooted as oppose to 4.3 .290 but as of recently that seems to have changed now... This whole phone's process seems extremely confusing, and I'm tired of reading different contradicting threads .....and it's never a good idea to start playing with your phone when your frustrated & uninformed so I guess I'll just hang out a bit longer until things seem clearer....
I am with you guys.
Although on Note 2 I did not go with any AOSP except from the usual testing, but always came back to stock because of Spen features.
With the Ultra, this stock rom is so light, smooth and plus I keep the phone features plus it has been designed better to use the larger screen...I am VERY impressed with the Sony Rom so I dont see myself flashing anything but Sony based Roms.
I enjoy my phone now more than just using it to flash new stuff trying to get it to be better
Ah after I try a lot of custom ROM
monxDIFIED is my daily ROM
It is Sony base because I prefer stock app
FM Radio
Stock Camera
If I can install two stock app in CM base ROM like Carbon ROM
I may think using CM base ROM as my daily drive
That's common and you are not alone. I too am using the Stock 4.3 without any intention of flashing other ROMs (I do really love flashing as I had nearly flashed every Android phone I have ever owned)
I'm back on stock after a day on GPe. I love AOSP and the GPe ROM is amazing, but I tend to always end up back on stock again. Not sure what it is, but it's solid as a rock, and I know exactly how it works and what it does. No surprises. I feel safe using it, so I guess that's why? Xposed has also changed the way I use ROMs. No longer do I have to flash ROMs if I want a weird feature, I just install a module. I feel like I don't have to flash anything these days, except for when I want a different environment/UI.
In not that tired of Sony's UI quite yet (but I'm slowly getting there), but I'll probably migrate to the GPe full time down the road. BUT, official 4.4 is on its way, so it'll be really exciting to see how it'll be.
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I'm back on stock after a day on GPe. I love AOSP and the GPe ROM is amazing, but I tend to always end up back on stock again. Not sure what it is, but it's solid as a rock, and I know exactly how it works and what it does. No surprises. I feel safe using it, so I guess that's why? Xposed has also changed the way I use ROMs. No longer do I have to flash ROMs if I want a weird feature, I just install a module. I feel like I don't have to flash anything these days, except for when I want a different environment/UI.
In not that tired of Sony's UI quite yet (but I'm slowly getting there), but I'll probably migrate to the GPe full time down the road. BUT, official 4.4 is on its way, so it'll be really exciting to see how it'll be.
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Im back running stock UI as well (own rom with Dogg tweaks), and am more or less happy with it.
Cant wait for 4.4 stock (not here today yet)
I had a Nexus 7 and I ran AOKP, I had an Nexus 4 and I ran AOKP, I had a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and I ran CyanogenMod. Today I switched to Sony Xperia Z Ultra and I don't want to switch to AOSP. It never happened before, but I feel like Stock ROM is good
my galaxy tab is always on another rom, after that i had asus padfone, which had no development at all. and z ultra makes me not want to change to another rom at all. loving the stock, dunno why. I'm still on 4.2 and for me it's pretty smooth and fluid already i dont even need to upgrade.
Recently get an OTA for 4.3, but there's no way to root it in a simple way. tempting to root using jackie's way or flashing monx but im still too lazy to do it, still enjoyin my current 4.2 haha
I think sony did a good job here
I'm with you too dude. For me it's close enough to stock not to piss me off, their skin is simple and black base (better for battery), and I like some of the bloatware too.
I have deleted a lot, but that's another thing I like, I was able to delete or freeze most of what I didn't want without needing root. On touchwizz practically nothing could be deleted without root.
For me, Sony have worked it really well, bugs aside, and 290 is perfect IMHO except bluetooth.
I love cm, don't get me wrong, I just don't need it as much with Sony as I did with Samsung.
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Same here, actually i'm still on 4.2.2. Still amazed with stock rom, looks good and stays smooth and fast. I can endless opening apps, not any hick up. OOM works unnoticed, and don't need to restart device. On my old LG 3d i changed roms and kernels continously. My son his tab2 flashed a hour after purchase. My Acer A700 running CM10.1 unfortunately my daughter jumped on screen i need to order new screen/digitizer.
But i'm surpised with myself that i'm still on stock and don't want to flash. Only reason for me to flash would be working miracast with my LG 55LM750S.
I'm back on the GPe ROM I was bored yesterday, so the only thing to do when i'm bored is to install or flash something. I'm still amazed how everything is running so smooth and i have still to find a bug. I haven't found a single one. I find it funny that we went from AOSP ROMs that had their fair share of problems, to a AOSP ROM that is perfect like THAT.
I guess i'll keep using GPe for now, but i find some small things to be a little annoying. The volume is rather strange. It can be really quiet on one level, and be really loud on the next one, which makes it very annoying since i have to try to find the sweet spot. The stock ROM is much better at this. The quick toggles are also quite bad. Why do i have to press and HOLD to activate/deactivate a feature? Why can't i just tap a toggle like on CM? One tap on AOSP will open the settings for that feature, and someone at Google should be shot in the face. Well, that's about it really
I agree, been on and off Cm9-10 for years with some stints on Samsung's JB, but these ROMs rock. Only complaint is WIFI is a bit flakey. I don't even have a reason to root.
I have both a C6833 and Tablet Z.
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With my ex Galaxy S3 I went from stock to CM in like 4/6 months, and from there I just wanted to change phone like every day.
I guess I just want this to be my phone for a long time, therefore I'll wait to transform it to see if the stock rom satisfies me long enough to get to the official 4.4.2 update.
Which, I bet will be the last "quick" update.
After that I'm sure we will see 4.5, but at a super slow pace.
Anyway, I need time to install and backup everything to begin trying the GPe, and with a 6yo daughter and a 40days son I really don't have much left... XD
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With my ex Galaxy S3 I went from stock to CM in like 4/6 months, and from there I just wanted to change phone like every day.
I guess I just want this to be my phone for a long time, therefore I'll wait to transform it to see if the stock rom satisfies me long enough to get to the official 4.4.2 update.
Which, I bet will be the last "quick" update.
After that I'm sure we will see 4.5, but at a super slow pace.
Anyway, I need time to install and backup everything to begin trying the GPe, and with a 6yo daughter and a 40days son I really don't have much left... XD
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Congrats! I guess that's why we haven't really seen you around here that much lately, but you have a brand new boy in your house now so that's expected
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Congrats! I guess that's why we haven't really seen you around here that much lately, but you have a brand new boy in your house now so that's expected
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Thanks! I try to keep up with everything but now even Tapatalk is against me (meaning the new interface is fugly as hell).
Anyway, I'm curious, does the GPe support multiple users like on the Nexus 7? It is a fantastic feature as it keeps my daughter within the fence of her few apps...
That may be a feature I'd be interested in...
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Thanks! I try to keep up with everything but now even Tapatalk is against me (meaning the new interface is fugly as hell).
Anyway, I'm curious, does the GPe support multiple users like on the Nexus 7? It is a fantastic feature as it keeps my daughter within the fence of her few apps...
That may be a feature I'd be interested in...
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Hmm, i have no idea. I think it "pops up" when you activate tablet mode. I know that CM supports it though, but since GPe build is strictly made for the ZU, Sony may have removed the feature (i can't prove it though).
Hi! This is my first post on XDA.
As a user of CM for more than a year ago on my i9300, and after enduring a lot of bugs, I wonder: What happens to CM?
It's a known fact that the Exynos platform is a headache for developers because there is no documentation or open sources from Samsung. So, things like the camera, the sound system, the HDMI output and the GPU do not work as they should.
However, here are many good developers who have fixed these bugs, or at least improve them a bit. And most of these fixes are open source and accessible by everyone on Github.
So, what is waiting CM to implement them? Giving credit to their authors, obviously.
CyanogenMod announces itself as an alternative to the stock firmware that lets you take full advantage of your smartphone, making it better and more stable. Now they are also a company: Cyanogen Inc. As a reputable brand, it should offer a higher quality firmware. ROMs like Nameless (I'm using it right now) works better even being "not official".
This is just an opinion as a user. I'm not criticizing or forcing anyone to do anything. But if there are hundreds of people using a ROM with bugs that were fixed, why not implement them? I would be the first to help, but my skills are just about webdev.
Respect and thanks for i9300 developers on XDA, and sorry about my bad English. When I use my native language I express myself MUCH better. Trust me. lol
Thanks for reading.
There's no i9300 maintainer, and they accept pull requests (on gerrit) when somebody sends them.
Also, the fact that there's no i9300 maintainer is directly connected with what you already said - lack of proper documentation. Nobody wants to fix the mess that has been created since whole this time. The amount of hacks required to make AOSP work on i9300 is too damn high. I'm slowly fixing this mess, making i9300 a bit better supported, but it's still a long way until it's done. Take a look at ArchiKernel for example, why I had to create my own kernel? Because smdk4412 sources were so much outdated that they finished around update7, right after sudden death fix. XXELLA, 4.1.2 Android times, hello. So first thing was to cleanup the kernel mess, use up-to-date samsung sources (used for stocks) and make them work with AOSP. Now, if I commit my work to CM, they'll deny this instantly because new kernel supports only i9300 and this commit would break all other exynos4 variants from compiling. Yes, together we COULD fix it, make it work with other devices. But I have better things to do than trying to fix whole exynos4 family, I focus on i9300.
This is one of the reasons why we won't see any official cm12 nightly for i9300. Because nobody is going to maintain that. Even if we can fix something, nobody is going to commit that, unless we put serious effort for making it universal across all supported devices.
That's a real shame the device is in such a mess.
Actually, to be fair, using Omnirom 4.4.4, I'm finding that the only thing that doesn't work properly is the notification led (no one seems to know why it only works 3 times out of 4).
I'll probably end up buying a new phone next year, anyway, since buy this time next year the i9300 will be almost 4 years old. In smartphone terms, that means it's getting along a bit.
(oh, and thanks for all your work on it, JustArchi!)
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There's no i9300 maintainer, and they accept pull requests (on gerrit) when somebody sends them.
Also, the fact that there's no i9300 maintainer is directly connected with what you already said - lack of proper documentation. Nobody wants to fix the mess that has been created since whole this time. The amount of hacks required to make AOSP work on i9300 is too damn high. I'm slowly fixing this mess, making i9300 a bit better supported, but it's still a long way until it's done. Take a look at ArchiKernel for example, why I had to create my own kernel? Because smdk4412 sources were so much outdated that they finished around update7, right after sudden death fix. XXELLA, 4.1.2 Android times, hello. So first thing was to cleanup the kernel mess, use up-to-date samsung sources (used for stocks) and make them work with AOSP. Now, if I commit my work to CM, they'll deny this instantly because new kernel supports only i9300 and this commit would break all other exynos4 variants from compiling. Yes, together we COULD fix it, make it work with other devices. But I have better things to do than trying to fix whole exynos4 family, I focus on i9300.
This is one of the reasons why we won't see any official cm12 nightly for i9300. Because nobody is going to maintain that. Even if we can fix something, nobody is going to commit that, unless we put serious effort for making it universal across all supported devices.
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Thanks for answering my topic. The opinion of a developer like you is very appreciated.
This situation only seems to give more reasons for not buy a Samsung phone again. This lack of support from the manufacturer is a disrespect to the user's investment. And fragmentation strikes again. Sad but true.
Thanks again for your great work of keeping this device alive for all of us.
StephenJSweeney said:
That's a real shame the device is in such a mess.
Actually, to be fair, using Omnirom 4.4.4, I'm finding that the only thing that doesn't work properly is the notification led (no one seems to know why it only works 3 times out of 4).
I'll probably end up buying a new phone next year, anyway, since buy this time next year the i9300 will be almost 4 years old. In smartphone terms, that means it's getting along a bit.
(oh, and thanks for all your work on it, JustArchi!)
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I tried OmniROM few months ago, but it had some annoying bugs (like camera crashes) and I missed some customizations of CyanogenMod. Anyway, I'll try it again. My next buy might be a Motorola phone. The AOSP support is priceless.
ouch01 said:
I tried OmniROM few months ago, but it had some annoying bugs (like camera crashes) and I missed some customizations of CyanogenMod. Anyway, I'll try it again. My next buy might be a Motorola phone. The AOSP support is priceless.
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I had the camera crash on CM11 M11, and switched over to Omnirom shortly after that. I'm using Google Camera with an Omnirom nightly from November, and I've never had a camera crash.
Agree with you about getting a Motorola. I'd love it if the next Moto G refresh (if there is one) came with some more RAM, increased storage (16GB instead of 8), 4G, and a multicolour led. Being able to customize the colours to suit the category of app is something I love about custom ROMs. That should be baked into Android, to be honest (but at least there's LightFlow).
JustArchi said:
There's no i9300 maintainer, and they accept pull requests (on gerrit) when somebody sends them.
Also, the fact that there's no i9300 maintainer is directly connected with what you already said - lack of proper documentation. Nobody wants to fix the mess that has been created since whole this time. The amount of hacks required to make AOSP work on i9300 is too damn high. I'm slowly fixing this mess, making i9300 a bit better supported, but it's still a long way until it's done. Take a look at ArchiKernel for example, why I had to create my own kernel? Because smdk4412 sources were so much outdated that they finished around update7, right after sudden death fix. XXELLA, 4.1.2 Android times, hello. So first thing was to cleanup the kernel mess, use up-to-date samsung sources (used for stocks) and make them work with AOSP. Now, if I commit my work to CM, they'll deny this instantly because new kernel supports only i9300 and this commit would break all other exynos4 variants from compiling. Yes, together we COULD fix it, make it work with other devices. But I have better things to do than trying to fix whole exynos4 family, I focus on i9300.
This is one of the reasons why we won't see any official cm12 nightly for i9300. Because nobody is going to maintain that. Even if we can fix something, nobody is going to commit that, unless we put serious effort for making it universal across all supported devices.
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i feel you
SlimRoms is the answer
unlike CM, Slim has a I9300 maintainer, has support, every weekly update works properly.
Devs should really take a look at Slim's Gerrit and Freenode/#SlimDev
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I had the camera crash on CM11 M11, and switched over to Omnirom shortly after that. I'm using Google Camera with an Omnirom nightly from November, and I've never had a camera crash.
Agree with you about getting a Motorola. I'd love it if the next Moto G refresh (if there is one) came with some more RAM, increased storage (16GB instead of 8), 4G, and a multicolour led. Being able to customize the colours to suit the category of app is something I love about custom ROMs. That should be baked into Android, to be honest (but at least there's LightFlow).
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The thing with Motorola is that their stock roms are basically just stock android. No laggy touchwiz skins, just a google launcher. Bloatware is at a minimum. A low spec phone like the moto G still is great because of how vanilla its experience is.
Rumours have it that the galaxy S6 international variant will have an exynos processor. I found a thread comparing the leaked info of the snapdragon 810 vs the next exynos processor and it seems that the exynos is getting a lot of popularity from users on the thread and it ain't no slouch. As it is now, phone's are so fast, that it's very hard to find a way of improving them. Like who compares app opening times nowadays? That will be much the case for 2015's flagships as well. I doubt I'd be disappointed if I had the next Samsung release if I thought I'd be in for a laggy UI, it's just whether I can tolerate the touchwiz experience or if I wanna switch to a vanilla aosp rom. That's where the problem arises.
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SlimRoms is the answer
unlike CM, Slim has a I9300 maintainer, has support, every weekly update works properly.
Devs should really take a look at Slim's Gerrit and Freenode/#SlimDev
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But only in your imagination. There is noone at slimrom. Just check their gerrit.
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Rumours have it that the galaxy S6 international variant will have an exynos processor .... I found a thread comparing the leaked info of the snapdragon 810 vs the next exynos processor and it seems that the exynos is getting a lot of popularity from users on the thread and it ain't no slouch.
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Aren't the Exynos processors the cause of much grief in the open source community, though? Aren't Qualcomm processors, such as the Snapdragon, much more popular because they're easier to work with..?
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Aren't the Exynos processors the cause of much grief in the open source community, though? Aren't Qualcomm processors, such as the Snapdragon, much more popular because they're easier to work with..?
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Correct.
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Correct.
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Well then, no more Samsung phones for me, then. Not unless they use Qualcomm..!
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Aren't the Exynos processors the cause of much grief in the open source community, though? Aren't Qualcomm processors, such as the Snapdragon, much more popular because they're easier to work with..?
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Yes, that's what i thought but people are showing interests due to how powerful the processor is. I think they're saying it's more powerful than the snapdragon 810. I'm not that techy but they were mentioning that the new exynos will be smaller in size or something, whilst the snapdragon will be bigger. Apparently smaller is better, but yes the problem is open sourcing. If you want to install a stock android custom rom, it will be difficult for developers to build a rom that can push your phone to it's full potential. Snapdragon doesn't have this problem.
Basically if you love flashing different roms that are fully functional a snapdragon 810 phone is for you. If you like what Samsung offers in it's next flagship and won't be tempted to flash other roms then the exynos is for you
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Yes, that's what i thought but people are showing interests due to how powerful the processor is. I think they're saying it's more powerful than the snapdragon 810. I'm not that techy but they were mentioning that the new exynos will be smaller in size or something, whilst the snapdragon will be bigger. Apparently smaller is better, but yes the problem is open sourcing. If you want to install a stock android custom rom, it will be difficult for developers to build a rom that can push your phone to it's full potential. Snapdragon doesn't have this problem.
Basically if you love flashing different roms that are fully functional a snapdragon 810 phone is for you. If you like what Samsung offers in it's next flagship and won't be tempted to flash other roms then the exynos is for you
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I prefer to have less powerful processor, with full documentation how it works, rather than exynos and big giant hackish black box, which noone understands.
The problem is not with the exynos, but with Samsung. Judging from Exynos4, their kernel sources and own experience, exynos may look like it works, but amount of hacks and dirty workarounds to make it work, is too damn high. This could all be solved if Samsung changed their policy from "respect GPL, f*ck the rest" to "respect developers, show them that our SoC can be developer-friendly, too".
The problem is that we're not even 0.01% of Samsung sales, so why should they care. I'm not going to buy Samsung phone again, regardless if it has Snapdragon inside or not. The problem is not with the Exynos, the problem is in Samsung's policy.
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I prefer to have less powerful processor, with full documentation how it works, rather than exynos and big giant hackish black box, which noone understands.
The problem is not with the exynos, but with Samsung. Judging from Exynos4, their kernel sources and own experience, exynos may look like it works, but amount of hacks and dirty workarounds to make it work, is too damn high. This could all be solved if Samsung changed their policy from "respect GPL, f*ck the rest" to "respect developers, show them that our SoC can be developer-friendly, too".
The problem is that we're not even 0.01% of Samsung sales, so why should they care. I'm not going to buy Samsung phone again, regardless if it has Snapdragon inside or not. The problem is not with the Exynos, the problem is in Samsung's policy.
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Yeah +1 for that. My next Phone will be definitly a Sony or a One plus. I think both are the developer friendliest in android ...
what for get android with huge ram but still lag? i won't go for android for sure. just stick with ios better. with android 8gb & asop, cm etc still can't fix the bugs. android received update so slow than ios.
khanmein said:
what for get android with huge ram but still lag? i won't go for android for sure. just stick with ios better. with android 8gb & asop, cm etc still can't fix the bugs. android received update so slow than ios.
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Yeah you are right but i think the most decent phone is the htc one......i would buy a windows phone rather than an iPhone
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2qn8s4/new_impressive_lollipop_touchwiz_gives_nexus_line/
This is an interesting article on the new touchwiz that appears in android lollipop on the galaxy note 3. Surprisingly I can see nothing but praise from this person, apparently it seems to be running very well in comparison to touchwiz on KitKat. Is Samsung finally doing something good?
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2qn8s4/new_impressive_lollipop_touchwiz_gives_nexus_line/
This is an interesting article on the new touchwiz that appears in android lollipop on the galaxy note 3. Surprisingly I can see nothing but praise from this person, apparently it seems to be running very well in comparison to touchwiz on KitKat. Is Samsung finally doing something good?
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its useless even if they port it to our i9300..1gb of ram..maybe its time to upgrade to more stronger phone..