I just received my S6E and I know I read earlier that CF noted that rooting may trip KNOX and disable the mobile payment system. Has anyone been able to verify whether or not this is actually the case? I'd love to root my phone, if for no other reason but to get Titanium up and running but I really would like to keep the mobile payment system intact. Thanks in advance.
Update: I have trouble reading sometimes and didn't realize/remember that Samsung Pay won't be available until later this summer. However, if anyone does come across any additional information related to this, I would be happy to hear about it.
Yes, unfortunatelly rooting your s6/s6 edge may disable the phone’s ability to use samsung pay, so be carefull.
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Before actually rooting though, consider that KNOX will likely be tripped, and there's a good chance untripped KNOX will be required for phone based payments.
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Webster259 said:
I just received my S6E and I know I read earlier that CF noted that rooting may trip KNOX and disable the mobile payment system. Has anyone been able to verify whether or not this is actually the case? I'd love to root my phone, if for no other reason but to get Titanium up and running but I really would like to keep the mobile payment system intact. Thanks in advance.
Update: I have trouble reading sometimes and didn't realize/remember that Samsung Pay won't be available until later this summer. However, if anyone does come across any additional information related to this, I would be happy to hear about it.
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I'm curious to know this too. I ALWAYS root my Android phones especially for Adblocker and even more importantly Greenify. I'm worried tripping the Knox sensor will make it so I can't use Samsung Pay and I'd really like to use that, especially since it even works with magnetic readers! I'm worried that since SP won't launch until the Summer that no one will truly know what effect, if any, tripping the Knox sensor will have. I'm going to hold off on rooting for now, as tough as I KNOW that will be LOL.
Yeah sucks but I'm. Holing off too. I mainly root for custom roms and kernel... But do far the phone is managing well so. I can definitely hold off
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Considering that I can't stay without:
Titanium Backup Pro
AdBlock Plus for Android (without having to do stuff manually)
Xposed Framework
Unlocked Tethering
And who know what else!
I will definitely root and who cares if I won't be able to use Samsung Pay!
There are still other payment system coming out or already existing!
I haven't rooted because of Samsung Pay and also because we'll I mainly. Root. For custom recoveries and roms which none are available as the device isn't widely available
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Good day all!
I have a bit of an odd question, my corporate IT department has switched over to a new moible phone deployment system called airwatch.
It is quite the big brother system, the list of permissions is astounding, with things like remote viewing of camera's, remote wipe, remote activation of GPS to determine location etc, etc, with the privacy issues set aside (I'm not doing anything wrong with my phone and I exceed performance goals so I'm not worried)
The one thing I cannot live with is the requirement that I cannot run any of my work apps on a rooted phone, as a matter of fact if I even try it will lock down my user account SYSTEM wide, meaning I will not be able to access my work laptop or web clients, without IT resetting my account (I learned the hard way)
My question is this, is there a way to retain root access but appear to not be rooted?
Assuming that "stealth"root is not possible, is there a process that I can root/unroot at will with any changes I have made while rooted remaining?
My needs are not too complicated, I would like to keep my custom debloated rom (jelly beans 10), further remove any unwanted apps, tweak a few settings and install my favorite mods and themes, then reroot my phone and install my work apps.
I'm very familiar with working with roms and mods, I have been doing so since the original moto droid, however if there is not a guide to follow I am lost in the woods.
Any suggestions or help is greatly appreciated.
Chip
I assume that the phone was given to you by your company. If thats the case. I would give it back and use my personal phone. I dont go for that invasion of my privacy. But they can do it because its not technically your phone. Now if you use your own phone they cant (legally) do that.
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I assume that the phone was given to you by your company. If thats the case. I would give it back and use my personal phone. I dont go for that invasion of my privacy. But they can do it because its not technically your phone. Now if you use your own phone they cant (legally) do that.
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They actually can do this if he chooses to use his phone with the network applications. All they have to do is say is to protect their systems and I'm assuming he's in some kind of high security job with all those monitoring so he probably agreed to in a contract before starting.
OP have you tried simply temp unrooting? The supersu app had that option or you could get ota root keeper and use it to temp unroot.
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Also try voodoo ota rootkeeper. It has a root backup, unroot and restore feature.
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Also try voodoo ota rootkeeper. It has a root backup, unroot and restore feature.
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I think I said that
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I think I said that
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Sorry, I won't intrude again.
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Sorry, I won't intrude again.
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Better not!
Since you obviously take everything serious I was messing with you. Have some fun that's what this forum is for.
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Better not!
Since you obviously take everything serious I was messing with you. Have some fun that's what this forum is for.
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isnt that the truth! everbody is so uptight around here its getting a bit old. teh internets is serious biz yo!
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isnt that the truth! everbody is so uptight around here its getting a bit old. teh internets is serious biz yo![/QUOT]
What's old and stale is the 4 clown act that degrades XDA.
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droidstyle said:
isnt that the truth! everbody is so uptight around here its getting a bit old. teh internets is serious biz yo![/QUOT]
What's old and stale is the 4 clown act that degrades XDA.
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Haven't used that particular suite but if it is like the others I have seen, it will alert to a changed state. I wouldn't risk it. Don't know where you work but I have seen plenty of companies hand out pink slips after a pen testing.
From an IT perspective, you are a niche when it comes to a responsible smart phone user. Most people just download every free app they find regardless of the full permissions. Throw in the ability to play cracked apps on a rooted device and it's a nightmare.
As far as byod on the network, a decent usage clause will still require you to consent to it before connecting usually.
Do you just use the device for email or do you vpn/etc?
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Good day all!
I have a bit of an odd question, my corporate IT department has switched over to a new moible phone deployment system called airwatch.
It is quite the big brother system, the list of permissions is astounding, with things like remote viewing of camera's, remote wipe, remote activation of GPS to determine location etc, etc, with the privacy issues set aside (I'm not doing anything wrong with my phone and I exceed performance goals so I'm not worried)
The one thing I cannot live with is the requirement that I cannot run any of my work apps on a rooted phone, as a matter of fact if I even try it will lock down my user account SYSTEM wide, meaning I will not be able to access my work laptop or web clients, without IT resetting my account (I learned the hard way)
My question is this, is there a way to retain root access but appear to not be rooted?
Assuming that "stealth"root is not possible, is there a process that I can root/unroot at will with any changes I have made while rooted remaining?
My needs are not too complicated, I would like to keep my custom debloated rom (jelly beans 10), further remove any unwanted apps, tweak a few settings and install my favorite mods and themes, then reroot my phone and install my work apps.
I'm very familiar with working with roms and mods, I have been doing so since the original moto droid, however if there is not a guide to follow I am lost in the woods.
Any suggestions or help is greatly appreciated.
Chip
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Thanks for the advice all; here is what I found plus the info I left out
The phone is my phone, this is why I was a bit squirrely about the full set of permissions, theoretically someone could tun on the camera at any time and snap photos, since it sits on my nightstand that could be a bit akward....
The usage is primarily for exchange email, and several proprietary apps, ordering, account info, truck tracking etc etc
Temp unroot using the option in the SU does not work
Oddly enough the Vodoo OTA rootkeeper seems to accomplish the task:good:
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Thanks for the advice all; here is what I found plus the info I left out
The phone is my phone, this is why I was a bit squirrely about the full set of permissions, theoretically someone could tun on the camera at any time and snap photos, since it sits on my nightstand that could be a bit akward....
The usage is primarily for exchange email, and several proprietary apps, ordering, account info, truck tracking etc etc
Temp unroot using the option in the SU does not work
Oddly enough the Vodoo OTA rootkeeper seems to accomplish the task:good:
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Does the Voodoo OTA rootkeeper keep the periodic server check of the device from seeing it as rooted?
So, i have S6 edge 925f with original rom, no rooted.
But i found myself struggling btw poor performance of original rom, waiting forever for new updates and other side: Samsung Pay.
The only reason that i didnt root/flash my phone is because i want use samsung pay, so my question is Google Pay gonna be something similar as samsung pay ? if so i can happily break ehem, flash my phone, for better use.
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So, i have S6 edge 925f with original rom, no rooted.
But i found myself struggling btw poor performance of original rom, waiting forever for new updates and other side: Samsung Pay.
The only reason that i didnt root/flash my phone is because i want use samsung pay, so my question is Google Pay gonna be something similar as samsung pay ? if so i can happily break ehem, flash my phone, for better use.
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Google Pay will not utilize the proprietary technology used in samsung pay, it will be NFC only. As far as history is concerned, you will not be able to use it if you're rooted. I don't think it will check knox 0x1 though
I've found the link to be able to download the Samsung Pay Beta .apk file but I haven't figured out how to get it to install. Does someone else want to try? I'm stuck on a Samsung S6 Edge running 5.0.2. I wonder if you have to have 5.1.1 to run it.
Korea Link - https://kr.mpay.samsung.com/apk
US Link - https://us.mpay.samsung.com/apk
Here's a download link for the Samsung Pay .apk file I found on the Korean link. It lets me install it on my Samsung S6 Edge+ running android 5.1.1.
https://mega.nz/#!cRFkUAhT!8h7kOQ8opFy3YWal7xgw68EByv6dOsgepURGy9C005E
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Google Pay will not utilize the proprietary technology used in samsung pay, it will be NFC only. As far as history is concerned, you will not be able to use it if you're rooted. I don't think it will check knox 0x1 though
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I heard that Samsung pat will work as long as knox stays 0x0; root by itself will not disable it. You seem to have the opposite opinion.
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I heard that Samsung pat will work as long as knox stays 0x0; root by itself will not disable it. You seem to have the opposite opinion.
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It's just speculation made over a month ago. It's now confirmed that it will work as long as knox is intact
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It seems Samsung has created a hotline in the U.S for testers. +1-844-726-7297
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I called today and they told me to download the Samsung Plus app from the Google playstore. I downloaded it agreed to the terms and logged in and then inside the app there was a link that said "Join Samsung Pay Beta". So far it doesn't do anything, but it seems promising that it might work tomorrow after the beta has officially begun.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.oh
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Hello to all, i want to root my device, but it seems impossible. I have firmware version G925FXXU3COI9 ...
I've seen Pingpong root and my firmware version is not supported...
I've seen CF Auto Root and i didn't try, because i don't want to trip Knox for the warranty....
I've seen also this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...lkit-skipsoft-android-toolkit-galaxy-t3101195 but it don't speak about tripping Knox (so this method i think will trip it? )
Do you have some idea to work it out ? I'm going mad
I don't see a reason why you don't want to trip Knox. It's good for nothing, doesn't have anything to do with warranty (as long as your problem comes from something that's not caused by rooting/flashing etc) and is only useless stuff.
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I don't see a reason why you don't want to trip Knox. It's good for nothing, doesn't have anything to do with warranty (as long as your problem comes from something that's not caused by rooting/flashing etc) and is only useless stuff.
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Samsung Pay?
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Samsung Pay?
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Haven't seen any place to use that so far. Heck, nothing is using it. Not in the Netherlands that is.
Doesn't really matter for me anyway, my bankcard itself has NFC inside so contactless paying is already possible.
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I don't see a reason why you don't want to trip Knox. It's good for nothing, doesn't have anything to do with warranty (as long as your problem comes from something that's not caused by rooting/flashing etc) and is only useless stuff.
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What ? Why you say doesn't have anything to do with warranty ? How you can know if a problem comes or not by a rooting / flashing ? You can't know for ALL the problems...and as long as i know, Knox is always checked when you go to Samsung assistance.
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Samsung Pay?
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Also for this thing . And also for Android pay. But i think you can use it with root . Maybe. I think you cannot use it if you flash a custom rom .
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Haven't seen any place to use that so far. Heck, nothing is using it. Not in the Netherlands that is.
Doesn't really matter for me anyway, my bankcard itself has NFC inside so contactless paying is already possible.
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You can use in every shop with Contactless payment symbol . Every bankcard with Contactless support (almost all the bank of the world right now) has NFC inside, so contactless payment it's possible . Some service use your "real"card number, other services use "virtual card number" , generating a new one for every transaction .
I've searched and just got my new S9+ coming from LG and forums here are so different in gathering info. Is this variant rootable yet? If so can someone post a link... In the mean time I'll keep searching. :silly:
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I've searched and just got my new S9+ coming from LG and forums here are so different in gathering info. Is this variant rootable yet? If so can someone post a link... In the mean time I'll keep searching. :silly:
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Nope it's not, and will be a loooooooong time before it is.
Well? After much research I was able to disable bloatware, get YouTube ad free and some more all without root. Honestly? This phone is good enough not to root really. I usually rooted to get a kernel to speed things up and get less lag, amazingly there's no need. Also for Xposed but I also don't see the need. So waiting for something that now I feel is not needed is ok. But having the itch to root will always exist. Lol
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Well? After much research I was able to disable bloatware, get YouTube ad free and some more all without root. Honestly? This phone is good enough not to root really. I usually rooted to get a kernel to speed things up and get less lag, amazingly there's no need. Also for Xposed but I also don't see the need. So waiting for something that now I feel is not needed is ok. But having the itch to root will always exist. Lol
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Well now you got me happy cuz this is my first phone that's locked down, and Im shocked at how much bloat there is. Fnucking Facebook?
If you can point me to some helpful threads that would be awesome - I keep coming up with Exynos threads
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Well now you got me happy cuz this is my first phone that's locked down, and Im shocked at how much bloat there is. Fnucking Facebook?
If you can point me to some helpful threads that would be awesome - I keep coming up with Exynos threads
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I'm on Snapdragon directly from T-mobile in the US.
Very little bloatware installed. And what was there I was able to uninstall easily including Facebook.
This was the first device I've owned that I've been able to do this without root.
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I have a question if i was to purchase a Samsiung galaxy s9+ from samsung themselves, will i be able to root the phone at that point.
I have been on iPhone for a long period of time because it is so easy to Jailbreak a phone once the program comes out, its just one click and done. I always recalled android phone goes through steps in order to be rooted, and i do mean really long steps, and the smallest mess up would brick the phone, i know now that the bricking the phone is a lot less likely. But it is still hard to root the phone..
Also back in the day, all android phones can be rooted except for Verizon Android phones. Now all carrier Samsung galaxy phones cant be or takes time to root. things have changed in the community i see.
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I have a question if i was to purchase a Samsiung galaxy s9+ from samsung themselves, will i be able to root the phone at that point.
I have been on iPhone for a long period of time because it is so easy to Jailbreak a phone once the program comes out, its just one click and done. I always recalled android phone goes through steps in order to be rooted, and i do mean really long steps, and the smallest mess up would brick the phone, i know now that the bricking the phone is a lot less likely. But it is still hard to root the phone..
Also back in the day, all android phones can be rooted except for Verizon Android phones. Now all carrier Samsung galaxy phones cant be or takes time to root. things have changed in the community i see.
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With iphones you have to jailbreak just to get it semi-useful. My tmo s9+ had hardly anything already on it that wasn't easily removable. No need for root IMO.
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With iphones you have to jailbreak just to get it semi-useful. My tmo s9+ had hardly anything already on it that wasn't easily removable. No need for root IMO.
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Well, the main reason why I want to root is to find a bypass for the tethering. Example: On the iPhone there is a application called (Tetherme) it pretty much bypass the tethering provision so that the hotspot usage shows up as Phone usage not Hotspot usage.
I want to do that on the Samsung Galaxy s9+, I want to use the native tethering connectivity that is on the device and have it show up as phone usage not hotspot usage.
What I'm going to end up doing is selling my phone in order to purchase one directly from Samsung.
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Well, the main reason why I want to root is to find a bypass for the tethering. Example: On the iPhone there is a application called (Tetherme) it pretty much bypass the tethering provision so that the hotspot usage shows up as Phone usage not Hotspot usage.
I want to do that on the Samsung Galaxy s9+, I want to use the native tethering connectivity that is on the device and have it show up as phone usage not hotspot usage.
What I'm going to end up doing is selling my phone in order to purchase one directly from Samsung.
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Same over here iwant hotspot tether s9 plus iwas om iPhone 6s plus jailbroken I miss my hot spot :crying:
Hi everyone.
I've pre-ordered an S23 Ultra and have also purchased a 2 year Samsung Care + plan. I've been using a OnePlus 5 from 5+ years now and the last Samsung device I used was Galaxy S2.
Since Samsung's warranty becomes void if the Knox is tripped, my question is, in case there is a screen/ hardware damage to a rooted device, can it be claimed for repair/ replacement under Samsung Care+?
Because in case a rooted device will not be considered under Samsung Care+ plan too, I think I would prefer to cancel the plan. I'm looking for your suggestions on this. I am located in Canada.
P.s. I see the following exception point mentioned in the T&C's of Samsung Care+, "Device malfunction or damage due to improper installation on, or improper equipment modification to the device."
It's up to Samsung. They may charge you for a new mobo as part of the repair. I would use abd edits to optimize it instead.
Drops will likely be it's biggest enemy; use a good case. These are heavy, corner hitting, face planting happy phones when dropped. With no case a 3 foot drop onto concrete will likely damage it.
You can't trip Knox or root your phone on the Canadian or US S23U. And Samsung Care+ in Canada is only for Canadian phones. So I'm not sure why you're even worrying about this problem?
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You can't trip Knox or root your phone on the Canadian or US S23U. And Samsung Care+ in Canada is only for Canadian phones. So I'm not sure why you're even worrying about this problem?
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How can you not trip Knox when rooting? Isn't it an electric fuse that trips when the bootloader is unlocked and rooted?
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How can you not trip Knox when rooting? Isn't it an electric fuse that trips when the bootloader is unlocked and rooted?
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I guess they can't unlock bootloader so no chance for knox trip.
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I guess they can't unlock bootloader so no chance for knox trip.
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Isn't necessary to unlock the bootloader to root the device?
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Isn't necessary to unlock the bootloader to root the device?
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It is necessary and unlocking bootloader trips knox
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It is necessary and unlocking bootloader trips knox
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So, this goes back to @peacey8. How is it possible to not trip Knox when unlocking the bootloader unless there's a country regulation stipulating this?
There currently is no way to unlock the bootloader in the US and Canada. Additionally there is no working root exploit for these phones. It should be near impossible to trip Knox in the locked state. So it's nothing to worry about.
Unlocking the bootloader doesn't trip the Knox efuse, loading an unauthorized bootloader does.
Apparently paid services have been able to unlock the N10+'s and maybe other Snaps. I'm not that interested so haven't followed this too closely. The remote service could potentially install malware and I refuse to risk bricking a valuable device.
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It's up to Samsung. They may charge you for a new mobo as part of the repair. I would use abd edits to optimize it instead.
Drops will likely be it's biggest enemy; use a good case. These are heavy, corner hitting, face planting happy phones when dropped. With no case a 3 foot drop onto concrete will likely damage it.
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Hi what's abd edits?
It's up to the person checking. Some may take it in for warranty even if the knox is tripped but some won't. I've had that experience before.
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Hi what's abd edits?
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Using ADB commands to remove bloatware is probably the most common example.
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So, this goes back to @peacey8. How is it possible to not trip Knox when unlocking the bootloader unless there's a country regulation stipulating this?
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You cannot unlock the bootloader on North American variants. Only European. So my point is this question is moot, not that Knox won't be tripped if you unlock bootloader.
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You can't trip Knox or root your phone on the Canadian or US S23U. And Samsung Care+ in Canada is only for Canadian phones. So I'm not sure why you're even worrying about this problem?
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Omg! I've recently shifted to Canada and was not aware about this.
Now I wonder, why did I order this 1900 CA$ device.
Is there no way to unlock bootloader in Canadian S23 Ultra units? I am unsure if I'd be able to manage with a phone without an ability to flash a custom ROM.
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Is there no way to unlock bootloader in Canadian S23 Ultra units?
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I am unsure if I'd be able to manage with a phone without an ability to flash a custom ROM.
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Might as well get used to it as this is the way the industry is going. For example OnePlus 11 allows unlocking the bootloader but there is no longer a free way to fix your device if you brick it since the 9RT came out. This has meant that the 10T and 10 Pro have had basically no development.
Pixels have unlockable bootloader still and plenty of custom ROMs are available but... well... you'll be dealing with a lot of other headaches like a battery that probably won't even make it 24 hours on wifi and much less than that on 5G thanks to an inferior Samsung modem. They also have random hardware problems like I've had my screen start flickering and eventually get green lines twice on my Pixel 7 Pro and there have been many others reporting similar issues and now there are reports of pieces straight up falling off the phone surfacing too and this thing has only been out since October...
Pick your poison I guess.
wow , this is nuts . Any reason why other than make sure they sell their own software?
5-8 years ago we were laughing about Apple, but now android are doing the same thing.
Those phone a solid 8 years phone power wise, and the only way to keep them updated is aftermarket ROM !
OP, Im coming also from a OnePLus 5, and also from canada.
I also paid 1900$.
And I'm starting to regret my choice, I have only few days to return it.
Should I get a Oneplus 11 ???
I have had Android Phones since the OG T-Mobile G1. Back then, I rooted EVERY phone I have had.
Now, what is the big deal about Rooting? EVERYTHING I rooted for, you can do now without rooting. I don't get it.
Maybe I am just getting old? LOL!
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Now, what is the big deal about Rooting? EVERYTHING I rooted for, you can do now without rooting.
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There are still some apps that don't work without root. For example I use Network Signal Guru to read the QCI and report my findings back to reddit. I also use root so that I can take screenshots of any app or screen I choose (the secure flag really irritates me - even Apple doesn't dictate where and when you can take a screenshot of crap on your own device yet I can't even take a screenshot of the Comcast cap usage screen to send to my roommate unless I log into their website).
I can live without both of these things which is why I decided to get the S23U but I'll miss them regardless.
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There are still some apps that don't work without root. For example I use Network Signal Guru to read the QCI and report my findings back to reddit. I also use root so that I can take screenshots of any app or screen I choose (the secure flag really irritates me - even Apple doesn't dictate where and when you can take a screenshot of crap on your own device yet I can't even take a screenshot of the Comcast cap usage screen to send to my roommate unless I log into their website).
I can live without both of these things which is why I decided to get the S23U but I'll miss them regardless.
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Thanks!! I get that some apps won't work without root, but it seems now that people want to root more to say they did than have a real reason for it.
I e given up on rooting mainly because of the inherent stability issue with Custom ROMs and the constant flashing.
Again, I just may be getting old. Lol!!!