Motorola bundles the phone with a 550mA, which makes charging very slow.
Has anybody tried a high power (2A) charger? How long does it take to charge?
What is max current the phone has drawn/ is capable of charging with?
Techguy18 said:
Motorola bundles the phone with a 550mA, which makes charging very slow.
Has anybody tried a high power (2A) charger? How long does it take to charge?
What is max current the phone has drawn/ is capable of charging with?
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I have charged with the following charger which was bundled with my HTC Desire back in the day:
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And I believe it is the cause of my phone resetting once per charge, but it still works, and is definitely quicker.
I use a micromax 1amp charger and it charges my moto e in 2 hours 30 mins. Better than the moto charger which takes 4 hours to do so
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I have charged with the following charger which was bundled with my HTC Desire back in the day:
And I believe it is the cause of my phone resetting once per charge, but it still works, and is definitely quicker.
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What is the power output of your charger?
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I use a micromax 1amp charger and it charges my moto e in 2 hours 30 mins. Better than the moto charger which takes 4 hours to do so
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What is the power output of your charger?
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1 amp, by the looks of it.
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I use a micromax 1amp charger and it charges my moto e in 2 hours 30 mins. Better than the moto charger which takes 4 hours to do so
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Have you tried using a higher power charger? 1.5A or 2.1A ?
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Have you tried using a higher power charger? 1.5A or 2.1A ?
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Sorry, but no. I'm just saying that your phone might reboot itself like mine did if you use higher than normal voltage. I haven't 100% confirmed this yet.
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Sorry, but no. I'm just saying that your phone might reboot itself like mine did if you use higher than normal voltage. I haven't 100% confirmed this yet.
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Higher power chargers don't supply higher voltage, unless it's a QC 2/ other proprietary charger, but those require the phone to support it, and will not use high voltage unless the phone requests it.
I was asking about a normal 5V USB charger which is capable of higher current(not voltage).
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Couldn't do that for now. Will tell you later if i try something like that.
I have an LG 1.8A charger and an iPad 10W 2.1A charger, both basically are capable of fully charging the Moto E in under 1.5 hours (based on a test I did last night after my first rundown).
So yes, having a charger that's capable of supplying more current will most certainly charge the Moto E faster, obviously. And no, this Moto E of mine hasn't suffered from any random full reboots or resets but I've only had it for just over 24 hours, if something does happen I'll report on it.
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I have an LG 1.8A charger and an iPad 10W 2.1A charger, both basically are capable of fully charging the Moto E in under 1.5 hours (based on a test I did last night after my first rundown).
So yes, having a charger that's capable of supplying more current will most certainly charge the Moto E faster, obviously. And no, this Moto E of mine hasn't suffered from any random full reboots or resets but I've only had it for just over 24 hours, if something does happen I'll report on it.
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Under 1.5 hours seems good.
I just tried my Note 3 charger that is 2A. It charged 10% in 15 minutes where as the charger that came with it took 1/2 an hour. I'm glad I stumbled on this thread. I thought the phone just charged slow, and there wasn't anything that can be done. I've cut down charging time in half.
It's basic math in most respects but most folk don't even bother to look at the specs on the factory Moto E charger - the moment I removed it from the box that was the first thing I checked. As soon as I saw the 5V 550mA rating on it the immediate thought was "Ok, that charger is useless and can remain in the box..." which is more or less completely true. The single piece design also sucks for the most part (meaning it's not a separate USB cable and physical charger) - why Motorola took that design and chose that low ass amperage is beyond me but whatever.
I know they've done everything they can to gut the Moto E and keep it as cheap as possible but I mean really, some things are just TOO cheap: it doesn't even have a proper compass which is kinda stupid.
I owned an LG Tribute recently which is a "low end" Sprint/Boost/Virgin Mobile smartphone with a Snapdragon 400 coupled to an 800x480 display and I bought it for $40 brand new (it's a prepaid phone of course) and even THAT cheap low end piece of hardware has a proper working compass in it.
Bleh... I'm getting an LG G4 as soon as they're available with a black front/bezel and the yellow leather cover). I haven't spent full price on a flagship smartphone in many years but I'm sick of the cheap crap anymore, it's about time I got a damned nice device and didn't look back.
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It's basic math in most respects but most folk don't even bother to look at the specs on the factory Moto E charger - the moment I removed it from the box that was the first thing I checked. As soon as I saw the 5V 550mA rating on it the immediate thought was "Ok, that charger is useless and can remain in the box..." which is more or less completely true. The single piece design also sucks for the most part (meaning it's not a separate USB cable and physical charger) - why Motorola took that design and chose that low ass amperage is beyond me but whatever.
I know they've done everything they can to gut the Moto E and keep it as cheap as possible but I mean really, some things are just TOO cheap: it doesn't even have a proper compass which is kinda stupid.
I owned an LG Tribute recently which is a "low end" Sprint/Boost/Virgin Mobile smartphone with a Snapdragon 400 coupled to an 800x480 display and I bought it for $40 brand new (it's a prepaid phone of course) and even THAT cheap low end piece of hardware has a proper working compass in it.
Bleh... I'm getting an LG G4 as soon as they're available with a black front/bezel and the yellow leather cover). I haven't spent full price on a flagship smartphone in many years but I'm sick of the cheap crap anymore, it's about time I got a damned nice device and didn't look back.
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After the acquisition of motorola by lenovo, this brand has became a crap. In India it costs 7000 rupees and they gave a 550 mah charger, Pathetic. A simple usb cable connected to a pc/laptop charges the device with 500 mah power. I too kept my moto charger in the box and started searching for a good replacement.
And good luck for your LG G4
There's a Sony charger for ~500 which is supposed to be good, high current and good quality.
Using more powerful chargers makes a huge difference with the Moto E. My 2.1A charger seemingly charges what feels like three times faster or more. But at what consequence? Perhaps this evasive changing is slowly harming the battery cells. Not my chair, not my problem.
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Does anyone else notice that the charging on the phone is slow? The charge even goes down as i'm surfing the web with it plugged in. I'm currently using the sony power brick that came with it. I'm experimenting with different ones at the moment. Right now I'm using the Vita charger. But compared to how my Note 3 charges, this one pales in comparison.
Please provide tips if you have any. I am currently in the mood to purchase a car charger as well.
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Does anyone else notice that the charging on the phone is slow? The charge even goes down as i'm surfing the web with it plugged in. I'm currently using the sony power brick that came with it. I'm experimenting with different ones at the moment. Right now I'm using the Vita charger. But compared to how my Note 3 charges, this one pales in comparison.
Please provide tips if you have any. I am currently in the mood to purchase a car charger as well.
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What cable are you using to charge it? Try using the original cable. Android phones usually charge at a maximun of 1.5a so the one that comes with the phone it's Ok.
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Mine's charging quite fast. It takes about 2 hours if i use the dock. (1100-1300 mA)
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What cable are you using to charge it? Try using the original cable. Android phones usually charge at a maximun of 1.5a so the one that comes with the phone it's Ok.
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I was using some generic cable, not the suplied Sony one, cuz I thought they were all the same.
my phone came with European charger.
So I bought it this Micro USB Quick Charger from the US sony store. It's coming with some over voltage to charge quickly.
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my phone came with European charger.
So I bought it this Micro USB Quick Charger from the US sony store. It's coming with some over voltage to charge quickly.
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The specs on the sony store
Power
*AC Power : 1500mA
*Output Voltage : 120v
*Charging Connector : Micro USB
Output voltage at 120v? ..wow quick charge taken to a whole new level
shouldn't it look something like
*AC Power : 120v
*Output Voltage : 5v 1500mA
*Charging Connector : Micro USB
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The specs on the sony store
Power
*AC Power : 1500mA
*Output Voltage : 120v
*Charging Connector : Micro USB
Output voltage at 120v? ..wow quick charge taken to a whole new level
shouldn't it look something like
*AC Power : 120v
*Output Voltage : 5v 1500mA
*Charging Connector : Micro USB
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what are you trying to say ?
regular Sony charger is ENERGY STAR (loss less than 30mW)
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That the output voltage is specified as 120 volt at the SONY store homepage. It should be 5v
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That the output voltage is specified as 120 volt at the SONY store homepage. It should be 5v
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So?
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So?
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just fun to see them write their specs wrong
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just fun to see them write their specs wrong
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hmm I think everything is correct. Both phone chargers got AC Power : 1500mA. But quick charger got Output Voltage : 120v. And regular is 50v.
Yesterday I full charged my sony smart watch less than for 20min
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hmm I think everything is correct. Both phone chargers got AC Power : 1500mA. But quick charger got Output Voltage : 120v. And regular is 50v.
Yesterday I full charged my sony smart watch less than for 20min
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With that kind of voltage your ultra doesn't stay thin very long mate, definitely an error on the site.
You can't put more then 4.2V per cell. When it's more it will explode, in our phone there is one cell. My acer a700 have 3 cells, so that unit is charged with 12.6V.
You can charge faster by raising the current. Our cell is 3000mah, normally charged with 1500mah (0,5C). It should be fine to charge with 3000mah (1C). If the cell is decent quality it will take 6000mah (2C), but this reduces the charge cycles significantly. When the cell is inferior it will slowly starts to swell.
Everytime you double the amps the charge time halves (theoreticaly).
I would stick with 1500mah, done in 2 hours. There's always possibilty to charge.
This is what happens when you put more then 4.2V per cell into a lipo accu. In our phone there is a lion battery but this is almost the same. Lipo has a higher energy density.
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Does anyone else notice that the charging on the phone is slow? The charge even goes down as i'm surfing the web with it plugged in. I'm currently using the sony power brick that came with it. I'm experimenting with different ones at the moment. Right now I'm using the Vita charger. But compared to how my Note 3 charges, this one pales in comparison.
Please provide tips if you have any. I am currently in the mood to purchase a car charger as well.
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I've been using different chargers and different cables, all at least able to charge at 1.5 amps. My results have been essentially the same: If I leave it alone, it charges rapidly, I'd say at about 2 hours and some change to full. However, if I start using it (especially on high brightness with lots going on) the charge slows down to a hault. This is the same on most Android devices. From what I've seen, the new snapdragon 800 chipsets are able to at least continue charging even through heavy use. Just not very quickly. I know the galaxy devices don't even charge if you use them heavily enough (with the exception of the Note 3 of course).
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Does anyone else notice that the charging on the phone is slow? The charge even goes down as i'm surfing the web with it plugged in. I'm currently using the sony power brick that came with it. I'm experimenting with different ones at the moment. Right now I'm using the Vita charger. But compared to how my Note 3 charges, this one pales in comparison.
Please provide tips if you have any. I am currently in the mood to purchase a car charger as well.
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I've experienced this with another device, it was caused by a faulty usb cable. One of the wires inside was almost cut, there was only connection with a couple of the twisted core wires. 80% was cut, big increase in resistance.
I did a massive study on lion batteries last year, and found that voltage does have an impact. (pulled apart my battery and used various voltage/hz/amp input...
The major issue with the input is the heat. If you quick charge it for an hour then you are fine. But using quick charge, and then using your device will cause massive heat because you'll be charing it for more than an hour, and using your device uses CPU... (goes without saying).
Expanding and contracting the battery is what causes decay. The material inside the battery that holds the positive ions will crack and cause less 'hold' for these ions. This will result in less ions being able to be stored.
This also may also cause hardware issues flexing the internals.
result:
5v is fine, it comes down to 1.5 - 1.8 amps input... anything over that and you'll really need to check on the heat of the battery. There is also a sensor that detects input and output of amps. This sensor can get fried easily, so be careful not to wreck it!
What ever you do... DON'T put your device in the fridge or freezer if its hot. That will cause massive temp change, and mess with more than just your battery.
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I was using some generic cable, not the suplied Sony one, cuz I thought they were all the same.
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They are not the same. Charging speed changes a lot depending on what cable you use. Did I solve your problem?
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They are not the same. Charging speed changes a lot depending on what cable you use. Did I solve your problem?
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i have not noticed any difference. I think I just have to leave it along. Also isn't the quick charger from sony store the same one we get in the box? I'm thinking about getting the samsung charger from the Note 3, because the Note 3 charges hella fast and I can feel the charger box getting warm too.
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i have not noticed any difference. I think I just have to leave it along. Also isn't the quick charger from sony store the same one we get in the box? I'm thinking about getting the samsung charger from the Note 3, because the Note 3 charges hella fast and I can feel the charger box getting warm too.
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It's very normal for a charger to get warm. You should watch the battery, that should not get warm.
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i have not noticed any difference. I think I just have to leave it along. Also isn't the quick charger from sony store the same one we get in the box? I'm thinking about getting the samsung charger from the Note 3, because the Note 3 charges hella fast and I can feel the charger box getting warm too.
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I was thinking about plugging the Official Sony usb cord into my old Note 2 adapter because it's 2amps! the Note 2 cord also appears to be a higher gauge! I don't want to fry the battery on this thing, I wonder would .5 additional amps be ok?
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I was thinking about plugging the Official Sony usb cord into my old Note 2 adapter because it's 2amps! the Note 2 cord also appears to be a higher gauge! I don't want to fry the battery on this thing, I wonder would .5 additional amps be ok?
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I noticed that the plug that comes with the xperia z tablet is only 1.5amp, most other phones etc i have had have always been 2amp, i am just wondering if i would get a faster charge if i bought a 2amp charger, or could i potentially damage the unit if it is only supposed to have 1.5?
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I noticed that the plug that comes with the xperia z tablet is only 1.5amp, most other phones etc i have had have always been 2amp, i am just wondering if i would get a faster charge if i bought a 2amp charger, or could i potentially damage the unit if it is only supposed to have 1.5?
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James
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AFAIK, the XTZ com go up to 2.1A (iPad charger) without any problems...
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AFAIK, the XTZ com go up to 2.1A (iPad charger) without any problems...
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Thank you very much, i've just ordered a 2.1ma charger, i really cant understand why sony released this tablet with a 1.5ma charger as it doesn't charge it as such if you are also using it, but a 2.1ma charger would, maybe they were just trying to save money lol
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Thank you very much, i've just ordered a 2.1ma charger, i really cant understand why sony released this tablet with a 1.5ma charger as it doesn't charge it as such if you are also using it, but a 2.1ma charger would, maybe they were just trying to save money lol
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No, not to save money; instead, to help the battery have a long life. Batteries that are charged with an amperage higher than their design ampere limit will not to live as long as batteries charged at or below their design ampere limit. So, charging your tablet's battery with a 2100 mA charger instead of a 1500 mA charger (per Sony's design) will shorten the battery's life.
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No, not to save money; instead, to help the battery have a long life. Batteries that are charged with an amperage higher than their design ampere limit will not to live as long as batteries charged at or below their design ampere limit. So, charging your tablet's battery with a 2100 mA charger instead of a 1500 mA charger (per Sony's design) will shorten the battery's life.
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Makes sense. Though I believe XTZ is 1.8 A, not 1.5A. The dock is 1.8A, so yeah...
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Makes sense. Though I believe XTZ is 1.8 A, not 1.5A. The dock is 1.8A, so yeah...
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The dock's 1.8 Ampere rating is a typical-of-industry safety rating of 20% higher than the charger's 1.5 Ampere rating.
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The dock's 1.8 Ampere rating is a typical-of-industry safety rating of 20% higher than the charger's 1.5 Ampere rating.
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I see... Well, for some reason, 1.8A is stuck in my head, but no problem...
My XTZ charges fairly quickly on the 1.5A provided. Less than 5 hours, I am sure (turned on, WiFi on)
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I have already ordered a 2.1ma charger now online and was listed on a site as compatible with this tablet, I'm a bit unsure about using it now though even though is was listed for it.
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I have already ordered a 2.1ma charger now online and was listed on a site as compatible with this tablet, I'm a bit unsure about using it now though even though is was listed for it.
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Devices will only use what they want, you cant force for example, 4amps down its throat by connecting a 4amp charger. I connected it right to my galaxy s4's 2.5amp charger.
If its max charge current is 1.8amp, it will take that and no more.
>not responsible if yours explodes or something
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I have already ordered a 2.1ma charger now online and was listed on a site as compatible with this tablet, I'm a bit unsure about using it now though even though is was listed for it.
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Sites will always say they are compatible, as they wont your hard earn't cash.. But do you ever hear a manufacture, say it's ok to use a higher amp charger ??? No you don't.. Your better off picking up a portable charger that Sony recommend if your so worried about juice http://www.sony.co.uk/product/xperia-tablet-z/tab/editorialarticle2
Device will of course charge faster.
I don't expect it to have any measurable impact on tablet's battery life.
As with all chargers, voltage needs to be exact (or somewhere like 10% close - preferably 10% more not less), but amperage doesn't matter much as device will "suck" what it can anyway. Most chargers and devices nowadays have protection against "over"-whatever (overheating, overcharging etc.).
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Device will of course charge faster.
I don't expect it to have any measurable impact on tablet's battery life.
As with all chargers, voltage needs to be exact (or somewhere like 10% close - preferably 10% more not less), but amperage doesn't matter much as device will "suck" what it can anyway. Most chargers and devices nowadays have protection against "over"-whatever (overheating, overcharging etc.).
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Don't fool yourself mate just Google "fast charger kill battery" there's plenty of users complaints..
There are varied opinions on the charger capacity and how good they are vs the demerits of using higher capacity chargers on these forums. I found the following article very informative.
Most of us charge the device while in use, so that uses some current which explains why we cannot get a clear understanding of how Li-Ion battery works. Hopefully the article give some clearer understanding of how the charger works. It is not as simple as "Battery will only take what it needs." The Sony charger is designed for 1.5 Amp for a reason. As for the life of the batteries themselves, most of us may not notice it because by the time the life of battery becomes an issue, we would have changed the device ( That's my opinion, not a scientific fact
Unless the device itself has some current limiting circuit inside, the higher capacity charger is bound to pump more current into the device. I do not know for a fact if the Sony devices has some such limiting circuit.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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Devices will only use what they want, you cant force for example, 4amps down its throat by connecting a 4amp charger. I connected it right to my galaxy s4's 2.5amp charger.
If its max charge current is 1.8amp, it will take that and no more.
>not responsible if yours explodes or something
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You simply cannot 'pump more current' into a device. Electricity just doesn't work like that.
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^^this.
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You simply cannot 'pump more current' into a device. Electricity just doesn't work like that.
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Electricity just doesn't work like that ? yes in normal voltage sources. Here we are talking about the charging of the Li-Ion battery.
Actually there are constant current sources used to charge batteries. True, there are no ideal constant voltage or ideal constant current sources. But the issue of pumping more current into a device is still valid unless the device itself has current limiting circuits inside and limits it to 1.8 Amps as in the example above. What I said was I don't know for a fact that Sony has a limiter inside its tablet for the charging circuit. It may well have. I don't know that. Just because most sources ( including our household AC supply) are voltage sources does not mean all sources are voltage sources.. Please check the battery university link I posted above. They also show the charging characteristics of the battery..
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No, not to save money; instead, to help the battery have a long life. Batteries that are charged with an amperage higher than their design ampere limit will not to live as long as batteries charged at or below their design ampere limit. So, charging your tablet's battery with a 2100 mA charger instead of a 1500 mA charger (per Sony's design) will shorten the battery's life.
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i bought a power bank with two output of 1A and 2.1A, but some time my xperia charger with 1.5A output is not sufficient to charge my battery and give me not charging error...
So i was wonder due what you says, if i should use 2.1A output? and how much on battery life it may effect?
Yes you should.
Every battery charging circuit "pulls" as much amperage as needed to charge a battery.
It's not something that will destroy it.
The charger can give out up to 2.1A, but will actually give out as much as the charging circuit "asks" (note the quotes).
Battery will probably charge faster.
Now if this does affect battery life, yes in the long run it could, as most batteries "prefer" (extensive use of quotes I know) slower charging. It all depends on how smart the charging circuit is and Sony has a good track record for their smart batteries (unlike Samsung for example - which I hope they fixed with non-removable S6 battery - but that's off topic).
Charger that comes with this phone is just labeled fast charge... Phone seems to charge pretty slow also from what I see.
i just installed some dual 2.4A usb outlets in my house they charge very fast from 8% to 100% in about an hour, considering the Amperage on the stock charger is 1.8A it doesn't seem like it would be enough to use the phone while charging.
I havent used the stock charger yet but mine reads it puts out [email protected] 1.8amps or [email protected] 1.8amps. I am waiting for my battery to get really low so i can see how fast it will charge.
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When the OEM charger is plugged in, swipe down and you can see it says it's being fast charged.
When plugged in, my screen does say Quick Charge, and my phone charged rather fast, but still getting used to it. Even when I had my phone plugged into a normal new USB C plugged directly into my usb outlet, it seemed to charge much faster than I was expecting.
Yes I understand it says fast charging, so does the quick charge 2.0 with this phone, but is it actually charging at QC 3.0 speeds??
It seems silly they would make a Quick Charge 3.0 phone and not supply the relevant charger.
I ordered an aftermarket QC 3.0 charger, I guess I can do some comparisons when it shows up.
Anker makes a very nice Quick Charge 3.0 charger.
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I got this one, it's half the price. Will be here today.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015ZJKWFS/ref=ya_st_dp_summary
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Anker makes a very nice Quick Charge 3.0 charger.
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They didn't give a qc2.0 charger with g4
turbodroid said:
I got this one, it's half the price. Will be here today.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015ZJKWFS/ref=ya_st_dp_summary
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I performed a test with the aftermarket QC 3.0 charger linked above and the one supplied with the phone. I drained to 90% and as soon as it hit 90 I plugged it in and started the timer. The results are nearly identical in how fast 100% charge was achieved.
The first screenshot of total time was the aftermarket charger and the 2nd is the factory charger. I would venture to guess based on these results, the factory charger is QC 3.0, but you can draw your own conclusions.
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Well if the stock charger says 9V @ 1.8A and 5V @ 1.8A, then it's not true QC 3.0 as that uses voltages from 5V - 20V.
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I got this one, it's half the price. Will be here today.
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There only will be a minimal effect because the original charger has a 9V and 1.8A = 16W rating.
All Aftermarket charger with QC 3.0 had a maximum reading of 18W, 9V at 2A or 12v at 1.5A.
And you can't do a comparison at the last 10%percent of the charging process, because of of the method that's just to charge lithium battery's.
Lithium-ion battery see charge and discharge
Around the last 10% will be constant voltage where the charger has minimal influence. Because the internal resistance of the battery cause the amount of power that goes in the battery.
Ca you do another test with larger charge?
Before any of you rush out and buy a cheap charger to save a few bucks I'd think twice about it. I have been screwed by cheap chargers on more than one occasion which is why I refuse to buy them anymore.
I've had them stop working after a couple weeks and many of them made a very annoying noise. Some made a high pitch squealing noise while just sitting there doing nothing and others made the noise while charging.
Slow and Fast
I noticed it charged VERY slow at first while i was using the phone at the same time. I notoced the charger wasnt even slighty warm to the touch after 30+ minutes. That made me think and noticed if I left the phone at rest without turning it on it charges much quicker and the charger got warm quick. And the charger actually cools down if you start using it half way through a charge.
*I took a screen shot of the battery usage graph, but I'm new so I can't post photos yet so you'll have to trust me lol
My rough estimates are that if you are using the phone while charging it will take just over 2 hours, but if you don't touch it then it charges in under 50 minutes.
Mind you phones battery temperature also effects the charge rate, is if you have it on top of a pillow it might not charge as quick.
You don't wanna use the phone while it quick charges. Turn screen off for an hour and it will be done
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Dude how are you basing charging speeds from 90% to 100%.../
The charger that came with the G5 is the same charger that came with my v10, it is only Quick Charge 2.0, I have compared the model #'s and they are exactly the same. I have gone on amazon and ordered a Anker Quick Charge 3.0 plug and a couple of their USB-C cables.
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I just contacted LG through their website via E-Mail regarding the Quick Charge 3.0 charger, I will follow-up once I receive an email back from them. The website advised that I should receive an email within 24 hours.
Noodels1987 said:
There only will be a minimal effect because the original charger has a 9V and 1.8A = 16W rating.
All Aftermarket charger with QC 3.0 had a maximum reading of 18W, 9V at 2A or 12v at 1.5A.
And you can't do a comparison at the last 10%percent of the charging process, because of of the method that's just to charge lithium battery's.
Lithium-ion battery see charge and discharge
Around the last 10% will be constant voltage where the charger has minimal influence. Because the internal resistance of the battery cause the amount of power that goes in the battery.
Ca you do another test with larger charge?
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I have drained to 50% and am performing the same test with the factory charger now. Will update results later this evening so I can repeat with the aftermarket charger.
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Dude how are you basing charging speeds from 90% to 100%.../
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It's a wonder why anyone tries to share information on this site with comments like this. Since you probably only skimmed over what I posted, I said feel free to draw your own conclusions and that it was a 'quick test'.
When the phone gets to 80 % the other 20% go pretty slow, might even be similar to the QC 2.0... But 50% to 100% would be a good test, and we can see if there's a difference
Hi all
I am returning to xda after years. Nostalgia aside, this is more of a warning post for people looking to buy this phone. The standard charger I got with this phone outputs 5V, 550mA. Simple math shows that this charger will take 6 hours to charge the 3000mAh battery. In practice, I managed to fill from 5% to 45% in about 2.5 hrs before realizing what an awful charger I had been given and switched to my old Nexus 5 charger (5V, 1200mA). Then from 45% to 100% took less than 90mins. So the battery is OK. The software is fine and there are no background apps causing problems. If the software had been an issue then even my Nexus 5 charger would have had trouble...
Motorola support so far has been nearly useless but I have escalated the issue. One support guy told me that they expect a 4 hour charge time. This equates to a 5V 750mA charger. Does the company still think we are using Moto Razr from 2005? Another guy wasted half an hour asking scripted questions... I am actually shocked to know that such woefully underpowered phone chargers are even ordered for production these days. Even a USB 2 port supplies 5V 500mA and that wasn't even designed to act as a charger!
TLDR - buy the phone with the knowledge that the standard charger may not even work as paper weight (it is actually very light haha).
I can confirm this. It's kind of useless when it comes bundled with a phone that advertises turbo charging.
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I second this. My phone went to 0% and the charger is useless to get it back to life lol
Phone still blinking white led and unable to go on even after 1 hour charging. T_T
that's how the business runs and why the turbo charger sells separately.
Just ordered the 16gb G4. Would something like this from Amazon do the same job as Motorola's own turbo charger?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00KD1XQT8
It sounds like a little mis-advertising from Motorola. The one I just ordered said it included a Turbo Power charger.
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The Moto G4 comes with a standard charger, but the phone supports Turbo charging. The G4 Plus comes with the Turbo charger. (and 3MP extra camera res on the back and a fingerprint scanner, that's it)
I'm using the charger I have laying about for charging and they work good enough. However, I use the phone almost never, only for navigating and the 2-3 calls I get per month. (And messing about with sources so I can try to get cm build on it )
Note that the TurboCharger motorola is not necessary.
I used a compatible charger (Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0), and it works well.
20 minutes to reach 15%, and I have the toast that says "TurboPower Connected".
Does that charger have the same voltage and amperage as Motorola's overpriced charger?
I have been doing a lot of reading and research. I am not yet sure if the TurboPower charger will not be included for the U.S. release on July 12th. Doesn't seem hopeful though. Further google searches, after being tempted to buy the Motorola Turbo chargers for the wall AND car, led me to the Qualcomm website. The CPU that is in the the Moto G4, is Quick Charge 3.0 compatible. So, that in turn led me to other brands that sell Quick Charge 3.0 for cars and wall plugs. It sucks that you have to spend extra for the faster charging, but you can go with a much cheaper brand, such as Anker or, yootek, aukey, or choetech. Or whatever. Hope this helps. Just type in 1.5 GHz Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 617 on Google, which will lead you to where I got this information, at the official website for qualcomm.
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I have been doing a lot of reading and research. I am not yet sure if the TurboPower charger will not be included for the U.S. release on July 12th. Doesn't seem hopeful though. Further google searches, after being tempted to buy the Motorola Turbo chargers for the wall AND car, led me to the Qualcomm website. The CPU that is in the the Moto G4, is Quick Charge 3.0 compatible. So, that in turn led me to other brands that sell Quick Charge 3.0 for cars and wall plugs. It sucks that you have to spend extra for the faster charging, but you can go with a much cheaper brand, such as Anker or, yootek, aukey, or choetech. Or whatever. Hope this helps. Just type in 1.5 GHz Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 617 on Google, which will lead you to where I got this information, at the official website for qualcomm.
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Thanks, I'll take a look at it later.
Doukeyakusha said:
I have been doing a lot of reading and research. I am not yet sure if the TurboPower charger will not be included for the U.S. release on July 12th. Doesn't seem hopeful though. Further google searches, after being tempted to buy the Motorola Turbo chargers for the wall AND car, led me to the Qualcomm website. The CPU that is in the the Moto G4, is Quick Charge 3.0 compatible. So, that in turn led me to other brands that sell Quick Charge 3.0 for cars and wall plugs. It sucks that you have to spend extra for the faster charging, but you can go with a much cheaper brand, such as Anker or, yootek, aukey, or choetech. Or whatever. Hope this helps. Just type in 1.5 GHz Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 617 on Google, which will lead you to where I got this information, at the official website for qualcomm.
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According to the G4 page on Motorola's site the Turbopower charger is included with the phone in the US.
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According to the G4 page on Motorola's site the Turbopower charger is included with the phone in the US.
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Hopefully that is not a mistake and they aren't just talking about the Plus. Which I know does come with the Turbo charger. If it is true, great! I can send one of my chargers back.
Doukeyakusha said:
Hopefully that is not a mistake and they aren't just talking about the Plus. Which I know does come with the Turbo charger. If it is true, great! I can send one of my chargers back.
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Knowing Customer Service in the US, particularly Amazon and Motorola, if the G4 doesn't come with the Turbocharger one can just complain to Customer Service for either Motorola or Amazon and complain to get a free Turbocharger. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
EDIT: On the Amazon page it also says the Turbocharger is included with the G4. Either way I think we're good.
darabo said:
Knowing Customer Service in the US, particularly Amazon and Motorola, if the G4 doesn't come with the Turbocharger one can just complain to Customer Service for either Motorola or Amazon and complain to get a free Turbocharger. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
EDIT: On the Amazon page it also says the Turbocharger is included with the G4. Either way I think we're good.
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Haha, made me chuckle. That's true. They know their audience lol! Thumbs up for you ?I kinda also figured they thought us 'mercans would start a riot if we didn't get our darn TurboCharger! Lol
Doukeyakusha said:
Haha, made me chuckle. That's true. They know their audience lol! Thumbs up for you ��I kinda also figured they thought us 'mercans would start a riot if we didn't get our darn TurboCharger! Lol
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You'd be surprised how special US audiences are treated in terms of consumer products and service.
For instance when the New 3DS XL was released the US included a power adapter whereas in the rest of the world was told by Nintendo to use their own charger or buy one separately.
darabo said:
You'd be surprised how special US audiences are treated in terms of consumer products and service.
For instance when the New 3DS XL was released the US included a power adapter whereas in the rest of the world was told by Nintendo to use their own charger or buy one separately.
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Sorry on behalf of well, everything.I wish you all could get the same treatment. Sincerely.
I purchased an anker quick charge 3 charger off Amazon for £10, works great
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seanicca said:
I purchased an anker quick charge 3 charger off Amazon for £10, works great
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Does the G4 support QC 3?
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Does the G4 support QC 3?
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Yes, just not included with the phone in UK
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Own 2 Belkin BoostUp 5W chargers that I've used successfully with s21u and s22u since I prefer low and slow overnight charging for battery health. I've had these phones in the past 3 months unfortunately because they've been used and returned due to a defective issue and now in the hands of S23u and hope to keep it lol
Chargers illuminate white and indicate charging on the phone. I ran Ampere as well and it read up to 350mA before it goes orange and refuses charge. It strangely works another 7.5w Insignia charger without issue(800mA). Anyone else encountered this? Is Samsung now starting to exclude very low wattage wireless chargers in hopes that people will buy their chargers? How very environmentally conscientious of them! Hope there's a way to modify this
Buy a proper charger and drop those BoostUps off at the recycling depot.
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Own 2 Belkin BoostUp 5W chargers that I've used successfully with s21u and s22u since I prefer low and slow overnight charging for battery health.
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Ive been charging my Note 20 5G with the 25W fast charging, since I bought it late 2020. I get all of maybe 10 minutes less max screen time, than I got in 2020. And thats probably just margin of error.
Ive charged every Samsung device Ive owned, at their maximum rated wattage, since my S2.
You will have the overall same experience from a L-ION battery, unless you charge it at higher amps than its rated for (which you cant do with any major company's cell phone/tablet/OEM charger).
I dont know where you got that incorrect idea from, but a 25-45W charging speed for the S23 will not degrade a healthy battery.
If it does, warranty it.
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Ive charged every Samsung device Ive owned, at their maximum rated wattage, since my S2.
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Not on an S2 you didn't. I recall they maxed out at 650ma charging. Man, good memories
That official 2000mah extended battery took a good while to top up from low...
Yesterday took 5h10 min to charge it with apple 5W charger...
stupid fck samsung with ''save the planet'' You need 3 parcels + 3 delivery + 3 packaging + 3 everything to complete a 1900$ phone .
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Not on an S2 you didn't. I recall they maxed out at 650ma charging. Man, good memories
That official 2000mah extended battery took a good while to top up from low...
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650MA is its maximum rated wattage that I didnt charge it at?
Log off, ya done
asrah said:
650MA is its maximum rated wattage that I didnt charge it at?
Log off, ya done
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I'm sorry?
asrah said:
Ive been charging my Note 20 5G with the 25W fast charging, since I bought it late 2020. I get all of maybe 10 minutes less max screen time, than I got in 2020. And thats probably just margin of error.
Ive charged every Samsung device Ive owned, at their maximum rated wattage, since my S2.
You will have the overall same experience from a L-ION battery, unless you charge it at higher amps than its rated for (which you cant do with any major company's cell phone/tablet/OEM charger).
I dont know where you got that incorrect idea from, but a 25-45W charging speed for the S23 will not degrade a healthy battery.
If it does, warranty it.
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25-45W *wired* charging is perfectly fine due to the efficient transfer of power. Wireless charging at 15w will generate significantly more heat and will require an active fan to cool it. Heat will still be generated and that long term applies more wear to the battery. This has been known for a while which is why i wireless charge at lower wattages. Wired charging I send the full 45w. I intend on keeping this device for several years.
I've been using 100W rated magnetic connectors for a couple of years now. They offer the convenience of wireless charging without the heat related issues.
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I've been using 100W rated magnetic connectors for a couple of years now. They offer the convenience of wireless charging without the heat related issues.
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Any down side?
I haven't encountered any. They keep your C-port free of debris and cut down on wear and tear. I've got 2 wireless 15 watt chargers collecting dust now from lack of use.
This is the type I use: USB C Magnetic Adapter
I sourced them from Ali express for 1/3 the price.
hand-filer said:
I haven't encountered any. They keep your C-port free of debris and cut down on wear and tear. I've got 2 wireless 15 watt chargers collecting dust now from lack of use.
This is the type I use: USB C Magnetic Adapter
I sourced them from Ali express for 1/3 the price.
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Do you use a case? Any incompatibility?
I have a Belkin TrueFreedom wireless charger and a Samsung Charging Pad. Both of these do slow 5W 'overnight' charging when I turn off Wireless Fast Charge in the Settings, and both of them do 10W charging when I turn on Wireless Fast Charge. Battery temperature never exceeds 34C when using these (checked via GSAM). Still love the convenience of wireless charging overnight, with the option of wired charging when I need it.
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Do you use a case? Any incompatibility?
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I use a case; dbrand Grip in this image. No compatibility issues with it, Spigen, UAG or any of the 1/2 dozen other brands that I cycled through with the previous S22 Ultra. FWIW, I settled on the Grip Case for the S23U. It's by far the best of them all.