Rock-less case? - Nexus 6 Accessories

just traded my note edge for a nexus 6 and one of the first things i noticed was very annoying was the rocking side to side when it was laid down and i was touching stuff on the screen. is there any cases that help the issue without turning it into a big ass brick shape. i watched plenty of videos before i traded and was aware of the issue but i am a phone junky and need to try them all lol. i have never used a stock android device before this one so looking for something to help me enjoy using the phone before i get annoyed by it so i can give it a fair shake. any other ideas that people use to lighten the amount of back and forth will be appreciated

Not 100% but I think the carved cases are flat.. a little pricey tho @~$30 but look sooooo nice
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If you don't mind the added bulk, the unicorn beetle case eliminates the curved back

I can recommend the Evocel Slim Armor case. It's what I'm rocking now, as a matter of fact.
http://www.amazon.com/EvocelĀ®-Protector-Google-Motorola-Release/dp/B00RYRT4TA
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bmwh0r3 said:
If you don't mind the added bulk, the unicorn beetle case eliminates the curved back
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You mean the one that's like an otterbox? My white one still is curved...

V1215 said:
I can recommend the Evocel Slim Armor case. It's what I'm rocking now, as a matter of fact.
http://www.amazon.com/EvocelĀ®-Protector-Google-Motorola-Release/dp/B00RYRT4TA
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Can u post a couple pics? Looks like the flat back I'm looking for but can't really tell how much thickness it will add
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sand1303 said:
Can u post a couple pics? Looks like the flat back I'm looking for but can't really tell how much thickness it will add
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Unfortunately, I kind of needed my Nexus to take these photos... ?
I should also mention, it does add some thickness to the device - but not really much more than the Spigen Slim Armor. I'd imagine it has a lot to do with taking a rounded back and making it flat.
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^^Definitely a flat back.^^ I'm considering this bumper with a carbon fiber skin on the back. Or maybe just ordering another one or two back covers to swap out if they get scraped up. I think I would like this
https://youtu.be/COfJ88v4CDI
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V1215 said:
Unfortunately, I kind of needed my Nexus to take these photos...
I should also mention, it does add some thickness to the device - but not really much more than the Spigen Slim Armor. I'd imagine it has a lot to do with taking a rounded back and making it flat.
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Does it have decent grip?

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Does it have decent grip?
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I'd say it could be better in terms of grip? But personally it's never just slipped out of my hands.
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V1215 said:
I'd say it could be better in terms of grip? But personally it's never just slipped out of my hands.
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Gotcha its tempting but I have so many cases already. None that are flat though so hmm. Looks like it adds a bit too much bulk however? Or not too bad?

Trooper27 said:
Gotcha its tempting but I have so many cases already. None that are flat though so hmm. Looks like it adds a bit too much bulk however? Or not too bad?
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Not too bad at all. As I'd said - I'd say it's comparable in thickness to the Spigen Slim Armor, and the only real additional bulk comes from the added material in making a rounded back a flat one. I don't think I can go back to rounded now, actually. ^^;
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Can you still wireless charge with the Nilkin bumper?
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Metal cases?

Are there any sexy metal cases that would make me leave my gf for?
That isnt the pdair aluminum case.
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I don't believe I have seen one, but wonder if this would cause reception issues
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If that were true planes and space shuttles woukd get lost. It depends on the metal.
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nvm just got a 12 dollar case from wirelessemporium.com ot blocks service. only wifi works
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If that were true planes and space shuttles woukd get lost. It depends on the metal.
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ie: 1st gen iphone back, signal issues was the main reason apple switched to plastic back
i agree just got a terrible case with a metal back from wirelessemporium.com
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http://www.sweet-armor.com/6-sweet-armor-gnote
Not sure if you were interested in bumpers or not but these are pretty slick. Expensive but great quality. No issues with reception for me though a couple people have posted in the international Note thread about small hits.
As far as I can tell should work with I717.
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http://www.sweet-armor.com/6-sweet-armor-gnote
Not sure if you were interested in bumpers or not but these are pretty slick. Expensive but great quality. No issues with reception for me though a couple people have posted in the international Note thread about small hits.
As far as I can tell should work with I717.
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Looks nice but at 70 bucks you'd think they'd spend some of that to hire someone to proof read their website English content...
kbilly70 said:
http://www.sweet-armor.com/6-sweet-armor-gnote
Not sure if you were interested in bumpers or not but these are pretty slick. Expensive but great quality. No issues with reception for me though a couple people have posted in the international Note thread about small hits.
As far as I can tell should work with I717.
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Very gorgeous! Thanks! awesome find
Looking at the sweet armor site, I saw that the Korean note has an extendable antennae?
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ie: 1st gen iphone back, signal issues was the main reason apple switched to plastic back
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No, the fact the antennae was on the bottom of the phone where you normally held it was why they switched the design. And plastic was just cheaper and more durable than the soft metal they were originally using. The metal did not affect reception. I used to own it
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Looking at the sweet armor site, I saw that the Korean note has an extendable antennae?
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That's for One-Seg TV. Same reason you see a cutout in the SGP/Mercury cases
Wiah that armor case covered the back side too. itd be sexier than my gfs ass
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Blacklabel84 said:
Are there any sexy metal cases that would make me leave my gf for?
That isnt the pdair aluminum case.
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i got this one from Ebay for $13 bucks and free shipping. It looks nice
http://www.ebay.com/itm/28085309937...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_1959wt_1396
kbilly70 said:
http://www.sweet-armor.com/6-sweet-armor-gnote
Not sure if you were interested in bumpers or not but these are pretty slick. Expensive but great quality. No issues with reception for me though a couple people have posted in the international Note thread about small hits.
As far as I can tell should work with I717.
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Wow, I love it. Reminds me of the e13ctron s4 case I had for my iphone 4. Thanks for the link, I may pick up one soon.
Looks really cool. Anyone get one yet?
I wish they had that combined with some rubber or silicone insulation.

Carbon Fiber back cover

Just received my carbon fiber back battery cover and it looks and feels amazing.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Carbo...e_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item3386a1a893
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MikeyLee said:
Just received my carbon fiber back battery cover and it looks and feels amazing. I'll post a link shortly if anyone is
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I'm interested
Looks good
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Nice! Real carbon fiber?? I might just bite on this one.
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makavelisk said:
Nice! Real carbon fiber?? I might just bite on this one.
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For $9 I doubt it's real carbon fiber
Yeah that's what I figured as well. The seller page doesn't say anything. Probably some type of 3m vinyl overlay.
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I had this for the Note 2 and never liked the feel of it. I love the feel of the OEM leather cover though. YMMV...
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I had this for the Note 2 and never liked the feel of it. I love the feel of the OEM leather cover though. YMMV...
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That's why I took a risk on this case. Maintains oem feel with slightly more protection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtdCb16SWTA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I just got mine in the mail as well. It was cheap and looks pretty good. I like the feel of the stock cover better, but it's nice to have an extra laying around. It's not real carbon fiber. Just a vinyl sticker on plastic as expected for $8.
Yeah Its not real carbon fiber but it looks nice
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I also got one, have had it for a little over a week. feels great, I personally prefer it over the stock battery cover, and it looks slick.
sorry for the picture quality, just realized my ipad air doesn't have a flash for pictures (dumb)
Looks great, i think i have to buy one too.
Anyone use this with a bumper of any sort? If so, how's the fit?
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I also ordered this and receive it about a week ago. Look and feel great. Only drawback is its thickness. It sets flush with the camera where the Oem back set below. None of my tpu cases fit with back on.
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ripster said:
I also ordered this and receive it about a week ago. Look and feel great. Only drawback is its thickness. It sets flush with the camera where the Oem back set below. None of my tpu cases fit with back on.
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Gotcha. I guess bumpers probably won't fit either. Was hoping to get a bumper made by Poetic.
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haza12d said:
Gotcha. I guess bumpers probably won't fit either. Was hoping to get a bumper made by Poetic.
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A bumper is probably the only case that will work with it if its thicker than the stock cover. In another thread someone said they use the poetic borderline bumper(or maybe it was the bear motion bumper) with the Samsung wireless charging cover.

Aluminum Case with rear cutout - Love It!!!

So I've been looking around for an aluminum protective case for my note 3 since it came home. As most of you have heard from others, the full aluminum cases despite the protection, suffer from drastic signal loss. I figured I couldn't go wrong with an aluminum bumper and bought two awesome looking bumpers off ebay. One is a gorgeous solid aluminum bumper with no hole for mic but really nicely made and a thin aluminum bumper with all openings. The biggest drawback of both of these bumpers is that there is no camera protection. As all of you have noticed the rear camera is raised a bit, which makes these bumpers a no go if your laying it down on rear. I saw a full protective case on Ebay that was composed of three pieces : aluminum frame, silicone style case and aluminum rear with a cutout. I went ahead and ordered for a measly $14 and some change, thinking it wouldn't be a big loss. My package arrived today from Hong Kong and I couldn't be happier. I absolutely love it. It is the exact look and feel I wanted. For those who want a nice solid aluminum case with no signal loss I recommend you get one. I hardly write stuff on here but I felt compelled to share my experience.
Here's the link to ebay ad.
Check out this item I found on eBay: http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=111207009785
Nice find but not my cup of tea. I'm sure though than many would love this case.
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mikemq2003 said:
Nice find but not my cup of tea. I'm sure though than many would love this case.
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Thanks for reply and yes it's not for everyone, does make it a bit blocky but I can deal with it
I ordered the same since I dropped my phone with the sure case and now the silver rim is a bit brused..... wonder if I can put this on and still be able to put it inside of the screw case?
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Does it work with the s charging cover? If so, no need to worry about camera lens as the back sticks out further than lens.
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Does it work with the s charging cover? If so, no need to worry about camera lens as the back sticks out further than lens.
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Not sure if it works with it...
I have gotten some looks and questions about the case when I'm out and about. Makes it look pretty impressive lol.
I'm a bit confused.. What's the cut out at the back for?
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DMax99 said:
I'm a bit confused.. What's the cut out at the back for?
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I would think nfc/wireless charging. A bit too industrial looking for me, but it all depends on the eye of the beholder. Definitely unique though.
babyshanks said:
I would think nfc/wireless charging. A bit too industrial looking for me, but it all depends on the eye of the beholder. Definitely unique though.
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I see, thanks
No offence but personally I think the cut out makes it look weird.
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eldhojohn said:
I bought this, http://dx-box.com/g-lider-razer-aluminum-bumper-for-samsung-galaxy-note-3-n9000.html
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Have you received it yet?
DMax99 said:
I'm a bit confused.. What's the cut out at the back for?
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I would think nfc/wireless charging. A bit too industrial looking for me, but it all depends on the eye of the beholder. Definitely unique though.
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I'm pretty sure its for NFC as well. Plus it helps with reception as opposed to solid rear cases with affect reception. Personally I'd like to see someone step it up and make some premium CNC cut luxury cases lime they make for iphones with nicely made cut outs in rear. I reached out to three of those companies today , like MeeJoJo and 2 of them said only iphones and s4 's.
These are just some cnc cases for iphone 5s that I'd like to see for our phones.
I think that case is ugly and weird looking. I think it makes the phone look like a plain block of metal. Maybe it would look better if it was black anodized aluminum.
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Had something similar for my previous Note 2. These metal cases tend to cause the phone signal to degrade. Hope you guys won't experience that problem.
haza12d said:
I think that case is ugly and weird looking. I think it makes the phone look like a plain block of metal. Maybe it would look better if it was black anodized aluminum.
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I agree. It's about the ugliest case I've ever seen in my entire life.
I'm a fan of metal cases. I think you may have found the ugliest one of them all.
But if you like it, then good. That's all that matters.
ty for this, but if you find something like this but more beautifull than this, write pls)
freeza said:
I agree. It's about the ugliest case I've ever seen in my entire life.
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RequeLine said:
ty for this, but if you find something like this but more beautifull than this, write pls)
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Check out this item I found on eBay: http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=231100897096
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I know it's a little bit costly for a case but I like that look, I'm still waiting for it to arrive I should have I In a day or two.
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Please post a review for that case. Love the aluminum look, just worried about signal.
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Okay I will I'm just waiting for it to arrive so anxious
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Skinomi for the Note 3

Anyone have any experience with these? There is a 60% off code ENDOFTHE2013 so I'm wondering if anyone has had experience with these. Link-
http://www.skinomi.com/sk13209-samsung-galaxy-note-iii-brushed-steel-skin-protector.html
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Skinomis are really good, I recommend them if youre looking for protectors
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HappyPessimist said:
Anyone have any experience with these? There is a 60% off code ENDOFTHE2013 so I'm wondering if anyone has had experience with these. Link-
http://www.skinomi.com/sk13209-samsung-galaxy-note-iii-brushed-steel-skin-protector.html
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Thanks for the code looks like I'll be getting me and the wife some things!
Thanks for the info. Do you have any experience with the ones for the note 3? It looks like the protectors wrap around the sides. I just wanted to confirm and see some pictures if possible
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Skinomis are really good, I recommend them if youre looking for protectors
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For note 3, sorry I don't. Had them for my older phones though
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I bought a full body kit for my note 3. I only used the back part since only bumpers fit with the s charging cover. No regrets. Can't comment on side protection and don't really recommend the screen protector because I prefer dry protectors.
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I bought a full body kit for my note 3. I only used the back part since only bumpers fit with the s charging cover. No regrets. Can't comment on side protection and don't really recommend the screen protector because I prefer dry protectors.
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Is the back part provide any grip?
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Yes. About the same grippyness as the back itself just different material. And a bear motion bumper. Still haven't dropped my phone.
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I don't like skinomi protectors on anything with a pen input. It just doesn't slide well. Back protection, sure. Sides, sure. Screen? No way.
The only one I did like with the pen input was the HTC view and that had a different stylus.
I've had skinomi for my note 10, note 8, and a bunch of phones. They work well on the phones (S4, s3, droid razr etc) but with the s-pen it felt terrible. Constantly dragging and digging into the skin. Just not an enjoyable experience.
When I initially installed the protector on my note 10, I gave it two days to settle before using it, and it wasn't enough. I had to leave the thing sit for over a week before it was acceptable and that's not something I have the luxury of doing with my phones. I had even contacted customer support and they were the ones to suggest letting it sit for at least a week before using.
I could assume it was just the amount of solution used, but I've used skinomi products enough to know what I'm doing and I won't waste my time using them for anything with pen input now.
I bought 2 of the skinomi clear ones during the sale. Thanks for the fyi. I just installed the sides and the back one for the camera and use a tempered glass for the front. So far I like it and it gives the phone better side grip. Although I probably wouldn't have bought it if it was regular price however. It would be nice if they just sold the sides and the camera one separately.
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I posted a video on it. Good coverage

Cruzerlite Bugdroid case

I've had this case on my GNex, my G2, and now my G3. Always great quality and feel for the case. I usually get black but this time I got red. Normally I give this case a perfect score but I'm not liking the company logo in the center of the Android this time. I have this case and the Spigen slim armor and recommend both. This TPU case feels thinner obviously.
I feel the same way about the logo. I hope this phone becomes popular enough for them to male a few different styles. Cruzerlite has always been top notch in quality and customer service for me.
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I've had this case on my GNex, my G2, and now my G3. Always great quality and feel for the case. I usually get black but this time I got red. Normally I give this case a perfect score but I'm not liking the company logo in the center of the Android this time. I have this case and the Spigen slim armor and recommend both. This TPU case feels thinner obviously.
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I really like these cases (I've had one on my Nexus 7 2013 for almost a year now), however, I've noticed as you mentioned the TPU is very thin. The case is great, but it has become stretched out in one corner over time and now it just looks a little weird, even though its not extremely noticeable unless you are holding the device. Are any of these issues still present in the newer ones? I was thinking about picking one up for my G3, but I don't want to to get stretched out and look bad or cause damage to the phone if it comes off during a drop.
I've never had that problem with any of the cases I've owned. Might be a tablet case problem. These cases have been solid for me.
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I really like these cases (I've had one on my Nexus 7 2013 for almost a year now), however, I've noticed as you mentioned the TPU is very thin. The case is great, but it has become stretched out in one corner over time and now it just looks a little weird, even though its not extremely noticeable unless you are holding the device. Are any of these issues still present in the newer ones? I was thinking about picking one up for my G3, but I don't want to to get stretched out and look bad or cause damage to the phone if it comes off during a drop.
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I was considering this since the reviews say that it's still pretty slim while also providing decent protection. My question, though, is what is the texture of the case? Does it feel grippy?
I want a case that has some kind of traction in my hands so that it feels secure without me having to always feel like I should have an iron grip on it.
I have a Ghostek hard case which does offer a bit more trip than the stock back of the phone, but honestly not by much. I want something that will stay in my hands.
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I was considering this since the reviews say that it's still pretty slim while also providing decent protection. My question, though, is what is the texture of the case? Does it feel grippy?
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It has a smooth feel but not too slick. It doesn't feel sticky link the cases they had at the Verizon store. I wouldn't call the best grip but it's worked for me so far. My old Cruzerlite case on my GNex had ridges on the side that gave a better grip. The G3 model does not.
For $10 on Amazon, I think it's worth a go if to aren't looking for something that feels tacky.
It's a soft rubber feel to it. Not slippery. Best way to describe it is a "matte" feel to it. I like it.
partylikeaninjastar said:
I was considering this since the reviews say that it's still pretty slim while also providing decent protection. My question, though, is what is the texture of the case? Does it feel grippy?
I want a case that has some kind of traction in my hands so that it feels secure without me having to always feel like I should have an iron grip on it.
I have a Ghostek hard case which does offer a bit more trip than the stock back of the phone, but honestly not by much. I want something that will stay in my hands.
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It's a soft rubber feel to it. Not slippery. Best way to describe it is a "matte" feel to it. I like it.
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Do you happen to have experience with a Nexus 5 to compare?
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If I remember correctly it was the same material they used on the LG Dare for the back. Yes very similar to that rubberized plastic.
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Do you happen to have experience with a Nexus 5 to compare?
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06stang said:
I've had this case on my GNex, my G2, and now my G3. Always great quality and feel for the case. I usually get black but this time I got red. Normally I give this case a perfect score but I'm not liking the company logo in the center of the Android this time. I have this case and the Spigen slim armor and recommend both. This TPU case feels thinner obviously.
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I have to agree about the company logo in the middle of the Android mascot. I used this case on the Nexus 5 and now on the G3 and I love it. Great drop protection and a nice non-slip rubbery feel
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partylikeaninjastar said:
I was considering this since the reviews say that it's still pretty slim while also providing decent protection. My question, though, is what is the texture of the case? Does it feel grippy?
I want a case that has some kind of traction in my hands so that it feels secure without me having to always feel like I should have an iron grip on it.
I have a Ghostek hard case which does offer a bit more trip than the stock back of the phone, but honestly not by much. I want something that will stay in my hands.
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I think you'll be very happy with this case
Thanks, everyone. I had my girlfriend order it for me. I should have it by Saturday so we'll see how I like it.
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I ordered one of these today also, I had one on my s3 and I liked that it had ridges on the sides to give u better grip. Hopefully this will work for me, I like that it is clear and will show off the design of this phone. This is the first phone I've ever owned that I feel like I can use it without a case because of the feel of it. Better b safe then sorry though.
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I had 3 of these for my Galaxy s 3. I love them. I'll definitely be ordering a few for my G3 soon.
Just got my white one in for my white g3. Feels awesome! Everyone that ordered theirs in this thread should be excited! Thanks for the recommendation OP!
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Just got my white one in for my white g3. Feels awesome! Everyone that ordered theirs in this thread should be excited! Thanks for the recommendation OP!
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Any pictures? I'm thinking picking s couple of these up because the Android logo is the best part.
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Any pictures? I'm thinking picking s couple of these up because the Android logo is the best part.
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Here you go
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Here you go
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Does the case have room for a glass screen protector?
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Does the case have room for a glass screen protector?
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Like the peel-off film screen protectors? Yes, I have one on mine.
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Like the peel-off film screen protectors? Yes, I have one on mine.
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No I have a Spigen tempered glass one so its slightly thicker than a normal one. Its .23mm thick so I wasn't sure if it would distort the case or not.
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Pilz said:
No I have a Spigen tempered glass one so its slightly thicker than a normal one. Its .23mm thick so I wasn't sure if it would distort the case or not.
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Ah. Yea not sure about those. Now I want to get one lol
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