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My friend needs to buy a phone around 10k-12k rupees (india $1=44Rupees) HOwever i m confused between Dell's XCD 35 and Optimus ONe...I luv my O1 but XCD35 has a higher resolution 480*800 and also larger screen..The underlying Chipset is ame Qualcomm msm7227..Also i have heard that XCD35 is a variant of awesome ZTE BLADE but the screen lacks the original quality of Blade...Plz give your inputs and help me decide !!!there is around 1K difference in price
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My friend needs to buy a phone around 10k-12k rupees (india $1=44Rupees) HOwever i m confused between Dell's XCD 35 and Optimus ONe...I luv my O1 but XCD35 has a higher resolution 480*800 and also larger screen..The underlying Chipset is ame Qualcomm msm7227..Also i have heard that XCD35 is a variant of awesome ZTE BLADE but the screen lacks the original quality of Blade...Plz give your inputs and help me decide !!!there is around 1K difference in price
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Looool it looks just like ZTE blade , but it has a few too many downsides . 256 ram , big resolution for qualcomm 7227 600 mhz :-s . And also it comes prepacked with 2.1 . And considering the fact it's practically a pretty no-name phone ( compared to O1 which sold about 2 million units in less than an year ) you can probabily guess that it doesn;'t have the same support by the community.
Being stuck on 2.1 is a very sad thing.
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Go for galaxy ace?
first off its got support with the cyanogen devs I men its listed on their first page so how can u say its not widely supported plus ram is unlockable to 512 mb..i have heard that zte blade or san francisco as it is called is very famous and has many roms.. further reading also showed that higher resolution makes the display gorgeous though it might get a bit slow.....as for samsung ace it doesn't even have a community ..when buying android phone s community is a must..ace will never get official gingerbread..the hardware is same as our o1 too nothing worth its price
Ps zte blade already has an official cm7 unstable port at cyanogen site
too large resolution for only a 600 mhz chip.
it will definitely put a strain on it just to process graphics. lower refresh rate and definitely lower fps.
and no official gingerbread update from zte is a big downside. and the battery is only 1250mah?
about galaxy ace, it doesn't have a good community support as optimus one, and i think it will be stuck on froyo cause it seems samsung is not going to upgrade it anymore.
i say stick to your optimus one first and just invest and save money on a better product that has a better support and that is known.
How is Xperia X10 running it???? SOny phones have such high resolutions
O1 rules . At first i was not happy because scrolling was not smooth i got frustrated n decided to sell this phone and get htc desire but after discovering this wonderful community and installing Megatron and mikos kernel for lag fix i am very happy with my phone. I would say that this phone sucks with the stock Rom. But once you install custom Rom you will feel that its speed has increased 2x. hardware of this phone is the best for this price. LG fuked up with the software.
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My friend needs to buy a phone around 10k-12k rupees (india $1=44Rupees) HOwever i m confused between Dell's XCD 35 and Optimus ONe...I luv my O1 but XCD35 has a higher resolution 480*800 and also larger screen..The underlying Chipset is ame Qualcomm msm7227..Also i have heard that XCD35 is a variant of awesome ZTE BLADE but the screen lacks the original quality of Blade...Plz give your inputs and help me decide !!!there is around 1K difference in price
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Simple decision bro ...
If you use it mainly for chatting and reading etc - DELL XCD35
If you use it for playing games - O1
Bottom line is since they use the same chip but XCD35 has a higher resolution, the XCD35 would have to work that much harder to render the same image ... So once you get into big games, this will be a downside ...
However, if you use it ONLY for casual games (like paper toss and other timepass games) and use it for chatting and reading stuff, the higher res screen ( and much higher DPI) will make the text more pleasing to read ...
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Simple decision bro ...
If you use it mainly for chatting and reading etc - DELL XCD35
If you use it for playing games - O1
Bottom line is since they use the same chip but XCD35 has a higher resolution, the XCD35 would have to work that much harder to render the same image ... So once you get into big games, this will be a downside ...
However, if you use it ONLY for casual games (like paper toss and other timepass games) and use it for chatting and reading stuff, the higher res screen ( and much higher DPI) will make the text more pleasing to read ...
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Dude paper toss is not a simple game. Its a 3d game made for high end phones. It lags in our phone like hell even after OC and lag fix.
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sarfaraz1989 said:
My friend needs to buy a phone around 10k-12k rupees (india $1=44Rupees) HOwever i m confused between Dell's XCD 35 and Optimus ONe...I luv my O1 but XCD35 has a higher resolution 480*800 and also larger screen..The underlying Chipset is ame Qualcomm msm7227..Also i have heard that XCD35 is a variant of awesome ZTE BLADE but the screen lacks the original quality of Blade...Plz give your inputs and help me decide !!!there is around 1K difference in price
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GO FOR LG P500
Best phone in lower price and it is getting 2.3 Gingerbread in Few Days
Well a bit good 3d gaming is always welcome..Looks to me like Optimus one is an all-rounder and is worth every penny...One question though if i use LCD density app from market will it increase my phone's resolution or will it just change the dpi or something..Can anybody tell if its the real thing and how it works ??? http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/change-android-screen-resolution-with-lcd-density/
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Dude paper toss is not a simple game. Its a 3d game made for high end phones. It lags in our phone like hell even after OC and lag fix.
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doesn't lag on my mine @ stock speed. which rom?
BTW, heres my view:
things going against XCD35 = slow processor (can be OC'd), less ram (unlocking fails most of the time), bad battery life, no warranty (if getting from Orange).
things working for O1: 100-120Mhz OC is descent & doesn't affect battery life but increase in performance is noticeable, good battery life, cheap but comes with good, balanced specs (but wish it had a camera flash). & for those who don't mind to install custom roms, Gingerbread is cooked & ready to serve (ignore those flies please).
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Well a bit good 3d gaming is always welcome..Looks to me like Optimus one is an all-rounder and is worth every penny...
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true.
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if i use LCD density app from market will it increase my phone's resolution
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this is not possible. resolution is fixed.
Hi guys,
I've just purchased a archos 101 and am "reasonably" happy with it... I wanted something to browse the web in a comfortable way without having to boot my PC.
Now I know I shouldn't expect wonders for the price I payed but I would like to get your input on following points:
- browsing is kinda choppy when scrolling. Not really a big deal but off course a smoother experience would be nice so if there are solutions here I would like to hear them I don't know if another browser might make a difference?
- video playback: this is a complaint from the misses , she was going to make a chocolate cake and wanted to view the "howto" movie online. It started up but was really choppy (this is the link to the movie: http://www.vt4.be/videos/chocoladetaart). I don't know if you guys can play this video smoothly with whatever setup you have?
I don't know the resolution of the video (I know the 101 can handle 720p) but if the resolution is higher is there a way to play it in lower resolution somehow without a lot of pre-video-watching-actions?
PS The video played back nicely on my HTC Desire with Redux 1.2 ROM (gingerbread)
What's the advice for this tablet in general to get the full potential out of it? Is installing urukdroid a must or are there other options?
PS I've set power management already to "overdrive"
Thx
B
Archos still doesn't have a GPU-accelerated version of Flash, so Flash playback in the Browser is a bit rough. I usually find that it's acceptable once you put it into fullscreen mode. Also, that video was fairly high res for Flash, usually I'm watching stuff through youtube at 360p, so you may want to test with some lower quality videos, and don't forget to go into fullscreen mode.
IIRC, there is no way to make the system capable of playing videos over 1280x720. I use Handbrake on my PC to downsample any of my 1080p stuff, but obviously it takes time to reencode. You could use something like TVersity to recode on-the-fly, but I always found it to be a PITA.
Installing Uruk isn't a must by any means, but I like to theme my device and do alot of other stuff that requires R/W access to the system. Performance is better in some ways as well, such as having ext4 partitions instead of the stock squashfs, but it's not a huge difference. Uruk also has advantages such as Ad-Hoc wifi connnections, better phone tethering compatibility, support for DVB, etc.
Overall though, if you just use it to browse the web, I don't think you'll see much difference with Urukdroid. Doesn't mean I don't recommend it though.
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IIRC, there is no way to make the system capable of playing videos over 1280x720.
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I know what you mean, but you can play 1080p on your Archos, but extreeeeemly slowly, around 0.3-0.5 frames pro second
@msticninja : did the video play ok on your device or was it jerky?
I've been experimenting a bit with browsers and so far opera mobile (not mini) seems to be the smoothest... if you activate "opera turbo" it's even faster but pictures are lower quality
I've tried stock browser, opera mini, opera mobile, dolphin HD and Skyfire
cheers
B
It was pretty jerky. When she was just standing talking it wasn't bad, but once 50% or more of the pixels were changing on each frame, it skipped badly until the movement settled down. It's just too high res for the flash optimization. You can either try to watch lower res vids, which I know is hard in this situation, or you can try to use a Download Helper to download the flash video, then play it in the stock Video Player. Should be no skipping there with the hardware acceleration.
Eventually, someone will either hack together or legitimately release a hardware-accelerated version of Flash for our Gen8 devices, and that should make it drastically better. At least I hope someone will.
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Eventually, someone will either hack together or legitimately release a hardware-accelerated version of Flash for our Gen8 devices, and that should make it drastically better. At least I hope someone will.
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I watched that video on my desktop computer and my quad core processor went to 25% on all 4 cores and had burst download speeds of 1Mbyte/s so watching this on a single core non optimized flash will be a disaster.
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I watched that video on my desktop computer and my quad core processor went to 25% on all 4 cores and had burst download speeds of 1Mbyte/s so watching this on a single core non optimized flash will be a disaster.
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what I don't understand then is that this video played perfectly on my desire... I know the desire is a great device but what's the difference compared to the archos?
berre said:
what I don't understand then is that this video played perfectly on my desire... I know the desire is a great device but what's the difference compared to the archos?
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Hardware acceleration enabled flash maybe.
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Hardware acceleration enabled flash maybe.
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Yes, the GPU acceleration makes a huge difference, more than I thought it should, until I realized that GPUs process data differently, with multiple cores/threads, and the fact that they're designed solely to pump out pixels, not numbers. (Yes, I know that's kind of an idiosyncrasy)
If we get GPU acceleration, it would probably be capable of playing flash games even.
update: just installed Flash Player 10.2.156.12 instead of 10.3 and there is big improvement in the video! it's still a bit choppy but much much more "viewable"
cheers
B
Our XPS Benchmark is very low
of mine result is 3766 frames 33fps
NOTES THAT UPPER LINK, WE CAN SEE OUR XPS IN PAGE 3
http://glbenchmark.com/result.jsp?b...-2&screen-group=true&screen=3&var=top&oldal=2
AND IF YOU COMPARE OUR XPS WITH SOME DEVICE, SUCH AS ss GALAXY S2 I9100, I DISAPOINTED! http://glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp
i'm only sad that why SONY do not use new chip for XPS, it's chip is from 2010! and so some time it lag, i dont want so
BUT XPS STILL BEST DEVICE OF SONY
Whats is your?
Yea but how much pixels and resolution must render our phone, how much galaxy s2?
This is not comparable, due to SXS HD 720P.
You should only compare to other phone which also have 720p display.
Compare xperia arc s with sgs2, you will see results.
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Yea but how much pixels and resolution must render our phone, how much galaxy s2?
This is not comparable, due to SXS HD 720P.
You should only compare to other phone which also have 720p display.
Compare xperia arc s with sgs2, you will see results.
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i don't thing so, this test method ( GLBenchmark 2.1 Egypt Offscreen 720p )
is not depend on device resolution, because it computed and count frame by buffer at 720p resolustion not display on display!!!
and i think that with a hi resolution device as our XPS, SONY must thing it need stronger CPU and GPU!
Mine is 34 fps, but more importantly why do you care? All of the games run on the device so what is the point. You could have known this before buying the phone so why complain?
Yea but however SGS2 phisicaly have less pixells and resolution.
You can play full HD video on pc but resolution of your pc display can be a way under it.
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Mine is 34 fps, but more importantly why do you care? All of the games run on the device so what is the point. You could have known this before buying the phone so why complain?
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i feel that i was fraud by advertisment of SONY
but now i can not do any thing, and i have to satisfy with my XPS
dynamic503 said:
i feel that i was fraud by advertisment of SONY
but now i can not do any thing, and i have to satisfy with my XPS
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How? What did they promise in the advertisement that they did not deliver? I have not seen advertisements so I don't know what part you mean.
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i feel that i was fraud by advertisment of SONY
but now i can not do any thing
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Wait, what?
The phone is Playstation certified, and can run all the Android games on the market. It's not a supercomputer, or a tablet. Its a phone. How is it fraud that you didn't look into things that have already been known before.
Get over it.
Disappointed? Sell it then.
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Wait, what?
The phone is Playstation certified, and can run all the Android games on the market. It's not a supercomputer, or a tablet. Its a phone. How is it fraud that you didn't look into things that have already been known before.
Get over it.
Disappointed? Sell it then.
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i think you are right!
any one flashed rom Cooked can share your benchmark?
thanks
every benchmark test stated its only for refrence and not represent real life performance .
And the benchmark is not low . It have higher score when compare to evo 3d and sensation XE which having same chip and higher pixel .
XPS can run all ( exclude software compatible ) application on the market with extra speed . What you want more ?
SG2 mali 400 gpu use different graphic rendering method from adreno . It have problem in compatible with gameloft games . Qualcomm gpu is the best compatible for games in the market .
Try Electopia benchmark, it gives higher load and gives nice results: XPS is faster than the Sensation
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Our Sony S is not comparable to other phones
Tryed almost every new phones... big sheets!
And why the hell you care about the benchmark? Got Crysis 2 on your phone, or? DDD strange guys...
I LOLed at the "hopeless" in the title. What's the big deal with lower benchmarks? I think people on XDA could sometimes get a bit paranoid about battery life and benchmarks. Seriously, didn't you buy a mobile phone to USE it?
Make sense -.-
Its kinda strange to buy a handphone to look at its benchmark .
Isnt that your daily use experience is more important ?
p/s : about benchmark xperia s win sensation XE despite having same chip .
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Make sense -.-
Its kinda strange to buy a handphone to look at its benchmark .
Isnt that your daily use experience is more important ?
p/s : about benchmark xperia s win sensation XE despite having same chip .
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Exactly.. benchmark is zero, nothing!
Just tell me why you care about benchmark?...
I think he saw the nvidia tegra add with ither languange abd it seemed like xperia s or something,l.
Stop raging. What do you expect ? Its an "phone" remember that?
Its not an gaming rig with quad gtx 680...
Some people..
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I think this benchmark are clear.With 2 weeks of developement with this device.
And with ICS this device go directly up in perf , stability and with different dev's of xperia device we can see a lot of good things.
To finish , i like play on my tv with my phone , see hd movies and sound quality of Sony. B-)
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i'm only sad that why SONY do not use new chip for XPS, it's chip is from 2010! and so some time it lag, i dont want so
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i'm only sad that why SONY do not use new chip for XPS, it's chip is from 2010! and so some time it lag, i dont want so
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It's the same thing with car production, if for exemple Audi make a revolution with her motor the over make a revolution to.
But if nothing is made, he stay with the same production with little improvement.It's a compétition and a probleme with money.It's the business!!
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http://www.laptopmag.com/review/tablets/google-nexus-10.aspx
Some of my concerns seem to be true, the enormous resolution zaps a lot of the Mali 604s GPU power in games and graphics benchmarks making it at or below 3d performance of the older tf700. I just ask myself is such a high resolution so necessary? 1080p could've done it IMO, and it would have increased performance a lot in games. What's the point of a crystal clear resolution if the games are choppy?
The Exynos CPU score is great though and it'll be a good tablet for people wanting just a nice internet experience and viewing movies I'm sure will be great. Just disappointed about the 3D performance.
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Toyeboy said:
http://www.laptopmag.com/review/tablets/google-nexus-10.aspx
Some of my concerns seem to be true, the enormous resolution zaps a lot of the Mali 604s GPU power in games and graphics benchmarks making it at or below 3d performance of the older tf700. I just ask myself is such a high resolution so necessary? 1080p could've done it IMO, and it would have increased performance a lot in games. What's the point of a crystal clear resolution if the games are choppy?
The Exynos CPU score is great though and it'll be a good tablet for people wanting just a nice internet experience and viewing movies I'm sure will be great. Just disappointed about the 3D performance.
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We have a review thread already. All reviews are done on pre-release SW therefore not giving final scores.
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We have a review thread already. All reviews are done on pre-release SW therefore not giving final scores.
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I don't buy that. Why would pre-release software be slower or return poorer benchmark results when there are only 10 days to go before launch?
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I don't buy that. Why would pre-release software be slower or return poorer benchmark results when there are only 10 days to go before launch?
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Firstly, I do computer science at uni and depending what software design methodology Google uses, software optimization/debugging is generally the last step, getting everything working is a lot more important. Also, for a company like google, 10 days can make a huge difference, but we don't know how old that prerelease software and hardware is. For example andy rubin was using a prerelease nexus 4 which had lock screen widgets and he stressed that it wasn't the final product. Yet these reviews devices don't have lock screen widgets among other features which says these review units are older than the one andy rubin was using last week. Therefore using deduction, we could guess that these devices that the reviews are using could be running software from a week or two ago at a min, and add 10 days from now till the 13th. Lets just say 20 days is a hell of a long time in software development terms, especially for a company with the resources of google. Hope that helps
Yeah I think the reviews are going to be very close to the release versions which are most likely already packaged and ready for retail considering they're releasing November 13th. I hope gpu performance improves honestly or maybe if developers can run games at a lower resolution and upscale or something.
Still performance will be smooth and crystal clear outside of demanding games.
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Yeah I think the reviews are going to be very close to the release versions which are most likely already packaged and ready for retail considering they're releasing November 13th. I hope gpu performance improves honestly or maybe if developers can run games at a lower resolution and upscale or something.
Still performance will be smooth and crystal clear outside of demanding games.
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Yeah, that's true. You could use 4 pixels for every 'real' pixel and still have a sharper image than any other tab out there.
But danielsf has a point, and knows a lot more about it than I do. 20 days is a lot for a team of 20-odd people working a 9-5er for 16 of those days.
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Who says they're even working 9-5? Many software companies set a deadline for their developers and the developers work however they want so long as it is done. My friend works writing tax software and he will work 30 hour weeks for most of the year but towards October the usual programmer is working 50+ hour weeks so that they'll hit their deadline in mid December.
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Who says they're even working 9-5? Many software companies set a deadline for their developers and the developers work however they want so long as it is done. My friend works writing tax software and he will work 30 hour weeks for most of the year but towards October the usual programmer is working 50+ hour weeks so that they'll hit their deadline in mid December.
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True, that does sound like a 'big tech firm' thing to do, especially one with a personal project funding thing.
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What's the point of a crystal clear resolution if the games are choppy?
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So the adults can have a high end device and use it for its intended purpose.
People should stop feeding into benchmarks so much. I bet it'll still play 3d games just fine. If my lower clocked tegra3 nexus7 can play 3d games fine(no chop or slowdown) then nexus 10 will push those games with ease(even with higher resolution).
I never base my purchases off of benchmarks. I take in all the reviews then try for myself. The best indicator of performance is you using the device in your usage scenarios.
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http://www.laptopmag.com/review/tablets/google-nexus-10.aspx
Some of my concerns seem to be true, the enormous resolution zaps a lot of the Mali 604s GPU power in games and graphics benchmarks making it at or below 3d performance of the older tf700. I just ask myself is such a high resolution so necessary? 1080p could've done it IMO, and it would have increased performance a lot in games. What's the point of a crystal clear resolution if the games are choppy?
The Exynos CPU score is great though and it'll be a good tablet for people wanting just a nice internet experience and viewing movies I'm sure will be great. Just disappointed about the 3D performance.
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I don't trust these new benchmarks.
GLBench is somewhat more accurate, in my opinion.
Look at those scores, they should be much more indicative.
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So the adults can have a high end device and use it for its intended purpose.
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who's to say what it's intended purpose is? It's different for everyone and games happen to be very important for me. I look at every aspect of a device before I buy.
Just curious, but why does benchmarks show lower score for this SoC on tne N10 than eg. the Chromebook with the same SoC?
Correct me if I am wrong.
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Just curious, but why does benchmarks show lower score for this SoC on tne N10 than eg. the Chromebook with the same SoC?
Correct me if I am wrong.
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Difference in chrome os and android os & power constraints on a tablet vs a notebook.
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Difference in chrome os and android os & power constraints on a tablet vs a notebook.
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Could we hope for a more optimised Android code increasing performance?
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Could we hope for a more optimised Android code increasing performance?
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Yes. Often this is the case, particularly with a device that is changing the paradigm as much as the Nexus 10 is.
My attitude toward these pre-release benchmarks is this. Take a casual look at them and note what they say, but don't read too much into them. Wait for the full release version and see how it actually performs. If there are a lot of people *****ing about something after it is released, assess how easy that would be to be fixed and the likelihood that it will be. If it is something that will likely be addressed in the near future, great. If not, then take a closer look before purchasing.
While I would love to have a Nexus 10 yesterday, I'm willing to wait and let the early adopters take a few arrows to see how this device actually performs before deciding if I will spend some of my hard earned money on it. :victory:
I think I'm just concerned about how it will affect the fluidity of the user interface. All the resolution in the world isn't worth it if you can't pinch and zoom or scroll a webpage/magazine app without choppiness.
They made a big deal about Project butter I hope this isn't a regression because the gpu can't keep up.
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I think I'm just concerned about how it will affect the fluidity of the user interface. All the resolution in the world isn't worth it if you can't pinch and zoom or scroll a webpage/magazine app without choppiness.
They made a big deal about Project butter I hope this isn't a regression because the gpu can't keep up.
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I agree, but I've heard its pretty smooth n the menus.
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Maybe Google/Samsung intentionally set the expectation low and positively surprise us on release day like turning off debugging which tends to zap performance.
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Maybe Google/Samsung intentionally set the expectation low and positively surprise us on release day like turning off debugging which tends to zap performance.
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Don't think they'd intentionally do such a thing, but they did release these beta devices for testing knowing the final 4.2 SW is not ready yet. It's all a bit rushed so I don't expect significant improvement out of the box (but an overall smooth performance in both at browsing and gaming), and since Samsung is doubling GPU cores for the S4, I feel the Nexus 10's bottleneck will always be the quad-core Mali T604, despite performance optimizations surely to come. That 4M screen is a performance hungry beast.
Hello everyone,
I have recently been a SONY Z2 filming mainly 4K
Even if I find pretty good video (3840x2160 @ 56,000 kb/s) I'll be really happy to see better shine the eyes of my son more detail passing 100,000 kb/s see 120,000 kb/s my 64 gb μSD tested at 15 MB/s write (exFAT).
The problem is that I do not know where to go and what to do that's why I'm asking you to enlighten me.
I can provide if needed "SemcCameraUI.apk", "SuperVideoCamera.apk", or any other file.
Thank you in advance.
I am French and I translated with google translation
Thank for all :good:
Not possible, sony does the highest 4k bitrates currently for smart phones. In fact its so high that the device tends to heat up and stop recording after a while if the ambient temperature is little over 25 degrees c. 4k recording is a beta feature because it cannot be used as long as 1080p say. The present cpu has a tough time delivering as it is.
If you want better rates then you will have to use a video camera that can deliver those rates. Or wait a couple of years for mobile cpus to catch up.
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Not possible, sony does the highest 4k bitrates currently for smart phones. In fact its so high that the device tends to heat up and stop recording after a while if the ambient temperature is little over 25 degrees c. 4k recording is a beta feature because it cannot be used as long as 1080p say. The present cpu has a tough time delivering as it is.
If you want better rates then you will have to use a video camera that can deliver those rates. Or wait a couple of years for mobile cpus to catch up.
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I did a test almost 15 minutes before break due to temperature knowing that I rarely exceed 1 minute youtu.be/vrBVmhQtmlo
I see no obstacle to this, I just ask to be referred but assistance will be more than better and will make many happy owners of Z2.
Btw I've seen on the app store play but diverted for photo (Z1) play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wedy.auto20mp&hl=en
I aquired my SONY Z2 thanks to a flash sale of my operator with discounts for the price of € 89 (~ $ 100) and a camcorder for $ 2000 is not possible nor a priority.
Thanks anyway for taking the trouble to reply One Twelve :angel:
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I did a test almost 15 minutes before break due to temperature knowing that I rarely exceed 1 minute youtu.be/vrBVmhQtmlo
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So we can see that at a temperature of 23 degrees c, with steady shot off that around 14 minutes recording in 4k is possible. File stored on 64GB class10 ultra. Phone is in the default sony case which you remove after five minutes.
Some people have said steady shot on or off does not make any difference to heating.
The focus hunt issue is present but only happens a little. 10 seconds out of 14 minutes. of course in 14 minutes the subject is not changing and light is decent. Focus hunt happens more often in lower light and is something sony should fix.
Tony72000 said:
I see no obstacle to this, I just ask to be referred but assistance will be more than better and will make many happy owners of Z2.
Btw I've seen on the app store play but diverted for photo (Z1) play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wedy.auto20mp&hl=en
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xposed mod for photos allows SA at 20MP. There is no similar mod with video to increase the detail.
So instead of higher bitrate how about longer record time ?
There is a thread here on undervolting to increase record time. See also this post. CPU usage is the culprit. These tests show that some increase in duration is possible so people are expecting sony to fix this in a future update soon, hopefully.
Interesting this is without steady shot, yet it does not seem too jerky.
Tony72000 said:
I aquired my SONY Z2 thanks to a flash sale of my operator with discounts for the price of € 89 (~ $ 100) and a camcorder for $ 2000 is not possible nor a priority.
Thanks anyway for taking the trouble to reply One Twelve :angel:
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a Z2 for $100 is a good deal, i will have to pay seven times that amount.
One Twelve said:
So we can see that at a temperature of 23 degrees c, with steady shot off that around 14 minutes recording in 4k is possible. File stored on 64GB class10 ultra. Phone is in the default sony case which you remove after five minutes.
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One Twelve said:
Some people have said steady shot on or off does not make any difference to heating.
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3 or 4 minutes and more
One Twelve said:
The focus hunt issue is present but only happens a little. 10 seconds out of 14 minutes. of course in 14 minutes the subject is not changing and light is decent. Focus hunt happens more often in lower light and is something sony should fix.
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We'll see if Sony fixes the problem in a future update.
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xposed mod for photos allows SA at 20MP. There is no similar mod with video to increase the detail.
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That's what I'm looking for more bitrate video
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So instead of higher bitrate how about longer record time ?
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More recording time would be a plus, but as my first post this is the quality that counts as soon as it is no longer in direct sunlight the picture becomes runny, I had a customized apk for my HTX one X at a bitrate @ 60 Mb / sec
One Twelve said:
There is a thread here on undervolting to increase record time. See also this post. CPU usage is the culprit. These tests show that some increase in duration is possible so people are expecting sony to fix this in a future update soon, hopefully.
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OK good thread
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Interesting this is without steady shot, yet it does not seem too jerky.
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It's my dog
One Twelve said:
a Z2 for $100 is a good deal, i will have to pay seven times that amount.
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And with your operator :crying:
Tony72000 said:
3 or 4 minutes and more
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When i tested a demo z2 in the shop, temp was 25-28 degree c i got 2:30 of 4k with steady shot on, did not test with steady shot off.
Tony72000 said:
More recording time would be a plus, but as my first post this is the quality that counts as soon as it is no longer in direct sunlight the picture becomes runny, I had a customized apk for my HTX one X at a bitrate @ 60 Mb / sec
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From here we can see the bitrates
1080p @ 17Mb/s & 4k @ 55Mb/s @156kbs audio
There is a big difference between Mbs for 1080p & 4k. Maybe its possible in the future that a mod for 1080p can do more than 17Mb/s but i doubt its possible to increase 55Mbs for 4k much more.
it would be good to get a mod for higher Mbs for 1080p @60fps as most people will use that than 4k.
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in your comment for the video you say you changed from default 20Mbs on onex to 60mbs. This is a very big jump, did you really tell the difference ?
It looks nice but macro always looks good isn't it
when you move the camera i can see the frame drop because its 30fps.
Question is if you do not move much or fast its nice but any movement then it becomes little jerky ? Maybe there is some compromise here to get smooth video with movement but at slower Mbs. If you check the gsmarena link all the phones do not go above 20Mbs. And this in 2014, two years after one x.
On the HTC one X storage is on internal memory only which is very slow (SD class 2 or 4) what is really limited and lose images when capturing by against the quality is really amazing.
The advantage of SONY Z2 is the support of the μSD with a good class U1 is more than meets the problem with my HTC One X which I modified the apk
The level 5.1 accepts bitrate 300000 kbps HIGH Profile 3840×2160 @ 31.7 fps :victory:
Possible bitrate of h264 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264
Original HTC One X bitrate vs 60 Mb/sec ul.to/nihixzld
I have not found a solution yet... No idea for find and change the video bitrate (apk, registry, other)?
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Not possible, sony does the highest 4k bitrates currently for smart phones. In fact its so high that the device tends to heat up and stop recording after a while if the ambient temperature is little over 25 degrees c. 4k recording is a beta feature because it cannot be used as long as 1080p say. The present cpu has a tough time delivering as it is.
If you want better rates then you will have to use a video camera that can deliver those rates. Or wait a couple of years for mobile cpus to catch up.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2519180
Your statement is entirely wrong. Samsung cam mod here does allowed to change 4k videobit(default is 48Mbit) and they don't have problem to use like 65Mbit or 80Mbit and they don't have overheating problem. This is only Sony's fault.
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I have not found a solution yet... No idea for find and change the video bitrate (apk, registry, other)?
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There is a setting in SuperVideoCamera.apk regarding 4k bitrate and default is 55Mbit, I've tried to set it to 65Mbit but nothing happen, there is no 4k bitrate setting in SemcCameraUI.apk though.
The default 4k bitrate highest available in media_profiles.xml on z2 is already set at 100Mbit which is the max support value by s800/s801(from my understanding, Samsung is also only up to 100Mbit and this should be the s800/s801 limit). I think there is some other place locked it at 55Mbit in /system or kernel.
P.S. Can you share your 60Mbit camera.apk on One X? Which android ver of your camera.apk? I've got a HTC One S but my apk only max at 40Mbit.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2519180
Your statement is entirely wrong. Samsung cam mod here does allowed to change 4k videobit(default is 48Mbit) and they don't have problem to use like 65Mbit or 80Mbit and they don't have overheating problem. This is only Sony's fault.
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There is a setting in SuperVideoCamera.apk regarding 4k bitrate and default is 55Mbit, I've tried to set it to 65Mbit but nothing happen, there is no 4k bitrate setting in SemcCameraUI.apk though.
The default 4k bitrate highest available in media_profiles.xml on z2 is already set at 100Mbit which is the max support value by s800/s801(from my understanding, Samsung is also only up to 100Mbit and this should be the s800/s801 limit). I think there is some other place locked it at 55Mbit in /system or kernel.
P.S. Can you share your 60Mbit camera.apk on One X? Which android ver of your camera.apk? I've got a HTC One S but my apk only max at 40Mbit.
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Android version 4.4.2
Build number 17.1.2.A.0.314
CPU MSM8974PRO-AB
Model D6503
Yes APK here tested with HTC One X
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I have:
Android version 4.4.2
Build number 17.1.2.A.0.314
CPU MSM8974PRO-AB
Model D6503
Yes APK here tested with HTC One X
ul.to/jztjdy6v
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Thanks for your sharing but I want to know which Android OS ver you are running the One X apk? 4.1.1, 4.2.2, 4.3?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2519180
Your statement is entirely wrong. Samsung cam mod here does allowed to change 4k videobit(default is 48Mbit) and they don't have problem to use like 65Mbit or 80Mbit and they don't have overheating problem. This is only Sony's fault.
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Does it work on the Z2 ?
Until it does what i said stands.
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Does it work on the Z2 ?
Until it does what i said stands.
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Your concept is wrong again. I can mod the 1080P bitrate to 80Mbit on Sony and works great. We can't do it on 4k because there is some place locked the bitrate at 55Mbit in /system or kernel as I mention earlier and we don't have enough skills to find it out.
Note3/S4/S5 is also based on s800/801 and DDR3 architecture, they can do it without problem meant this is only Sony's fail. BTW, it already proved 55Mbit is not the highest workable 4k bitrate in the world.
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Your concept is wrong again. I can mod the 1080P bitrate to 80Mbit on Sony and works great. We can't do it on 4k because there is some place locked the bitrate at 55Mbit in /system or kernel as I mention earlier and we don't have enough skills to find it out.
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Ergo its not possible on the Z2 yet.
How do you find 1080p at 80Mbs, 30fps is 17Mbs, 60fps is 30mbs. How is 1080p frame rate at 80mbs ?
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Note3/S4/S5 is also based on s800/801 and DDR3 architecture, they can do it without problem meant this is only Sony's fail. BTW, it already proved 55Mbit is not the highest workable 4k bitrate in the world.
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So may be possible in the future but not now. But i doubt it given the heating. yes if the temp is 10 degrees c where you are or you are ok with 1-2 minute clips then its possible.
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Ergo its not possible on the Z2 yet.
How do you find 1080p at 80Mbs, 30fps is 17Mbs, 60fps is 30mbs. How is 1080p frame rate at 80mbs ?
So may be possible in the future but not now. But i doubt it given the heating. yes if the temp is 10 degrees c where you are or you are ok with 1-2 minute clips then its possible.
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[email protected] the bitrate is changeable, however both 60fps is locked at 30Mbit/s and [email protected] is locked at 50Mbit in /system or kernel.
Actually, I own a z1c not z2 but I can do the 4k with mod. I think the heat control is a bit better on our 4.4.4(I know z2 still no 4.4.4 implied Sony said z1/z1c is the real flagship from user number base of view... lol). I've tested I could do [email protected] or 4K for 20mins length in an Okay environment, the temp is managed to not over 41.5 degrees c but if I put the phone under direct sun light during in summer time, the overheat problem may appear.
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I've tested I could do [email protected] or 4K for 20mins length in an Okay environment, the temp is managed to not over 41.5 degrees c but if I put the phone under direct sun light during in summer time, the overheat problem may appear.
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OP can record 4k for around 15mins at 22 degrees c as shown in his YT video. So there is hope, just don't know when 4k at higher than 55 Mbs will be possible.
I wonder is there really so much difference between 55Mbs and say 80Mbs in 4k
If you can record for longer time [email protected] its better isn't it ?
1080p at 30fps @80Mbs vs 17Mbs will have a bigger difference.
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OP can record 4k for around 15mins at 22 degrees c as shown in his YT video. So there is hope, just don't know when 4k at higher than 55 Mbs will be possible.
I wonder is there really so much difference between 55Mbs and say 80Mbs in 4k
If you can record for longer time [email protected] its better isn't it ?
1080p at 30fps @80Mbs vs 17Mbs will have a bigger difference.
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The problem mainly comes from the H264 encoder produced real bad video quality on z1/z2 series. I've got some 4k source files from note3/s4, they are much better than z1/z2 but bear in mind they are still using Sony sensor(13M ExmorRS).
The 17.5M default [email protected] quality is even much worse than my old Xperia S(default is 20M in ICS but much better result). I've also got a HTC One S which shoot at 1080P 40Mbit and I need to use at least 65 ~ 70M to achieve the same quality level.
Theoretically, you may not real need such high bitrate but in practical, Sony 's software development is very poor this time and we need super high bitrate to fix problem.
Since I've been roll back 4.4.2 now for better compatibility with some of my older apps so I can't test it again on 4.4.4 on my z1c. But I just tested I could shoot 14:25 mins of 4K length on sdcard before it stopped and the phone reported 47.5 degree c. The heat control on 4.4.4 may a bit better.
Tony72000 said:
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I have:
Android version 4.4.2
Build number 17.1.2.A.0.314
CPU MSM8974PRO-AB
Model D6503
Yes APK here tested with HTC One X
ul.to/jztjdy6v
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54805924&postcount=17
Try it ... should all 4K, [email protected], TimeShift Video work at 80Mbit/s now.
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I have recently been a SONY Z2 filming mainly 4K
Even if I find pretty good video (3840x2160 @ 56,000 kb/s) I'll be really happy to see better shine the eyes of my son more detail passing 100,000 kb/s see 120,000 kb/s my 64 gb μSD tested at 15 MB/s write (exFAT).
The problem is that I do not know where to go and what to do that's why I'm asking you to enlighten me.
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Some developments here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/general/testers-z2-4k-bitrate-mod-t2845509
80Mbs
I need to learn how to read! As soon as I Deodexed the Rom the mods worked perfectly!