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Ok, I have looked this up as many ways as I possibly could and to no avail.
I am pretty sure the info I am looking for is out there, I am just having the worst time accessing it.
What I would like to know is why certain devices run on certain OS's.
is it just one factor or multiple factors? I suspect the latter[?]
and if so, what factors primarily play a role in deciding what OS goes on what device?
I know what I am asking really serves no purpose to most, but I am one of those who likes to know as much as possible.
much thanks in advance and please do forgive me for the huge lapse
The 1st factor is the device manufacturer. A clear example: SE says that Xperia X8 doesn't support versions above 2.1, so it didn't release actualizations. But now, we have even ICS on X8
The 2nd factor is the availability of drivers for the desired Android version (the drivers can come from a oficial ROM, or from the chipset manufacturer), and/or the coders interested in the device.
For many devices (specially low-end devices) this is the most important factor.
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The 1st factor is the device manufacturer. A clear example: SE says that Xperia X8 doesn't support versions above 2.1, so it didn't release actualizations. But now, we have even ICS on X8
The 2nd factor is the availability of drivers for the desired Android version (the drivers can come from a oficial ROM, or from the chipset manufacturer), and/or the coders interested in the device.
For many devices (specially low-end devices) this is the most important factor.
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hmm, well that is very informative and I thank you
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The 1st factor is the device manufacturer. A clear example: SE says that Xperia X8 doesn't support versions above 2.1, so it didn't release actualizations. But now, we have even ICS on X8
The 2nd factor is the availability of drivers for the desired Android version (the drivers can come from a oficial ROM, or from the chipset manufacturer), and/or the coders interested in the device.
For many devices (specially low-end devices) this is the most important factor.
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While this is true another factor is the popularity of the device. Why would anyone waste time on developing for a device that no one is interested in? It also depends on the value of the device. Its normal that the high-end ones will receive updates before the mid-range devices. But as the guy above said for xperia the same is with my LG. We also made a half functional ICS and the only big problem is the screen which works only 50%
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The Z4 Tablet is possibly my dream tablet, it has a great screen, microSD slot, good battery life and it seems dev-friendly.
I've got no Sony experience and I see surprisingly little custom ROM development. How 'dev-friendly' is this tablet? Does Sony provide source codes, drivers? Are they easy in unlocking bootloaders and flashing stuff like radios? Does it seem likely custom post-Marshmallow ROMs will be cooked in 1,5-2 years from now on?
do some research!
e.g. here "Anybody work on root?" much off topic posts unfortunately
there are two section with the title "Development" here ...
look at the phones: Z3+ and Z5 (nearly the same sources)
and all you need with almost useful documentation in SONY's Developer world:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/
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e.g. here "Anybody work on root?" much off topic posts unfortunately
there are two section with the title "Development" here ...
look at the phones: Z3+ and Z5 (nearly the same sources)
and all you need with almost useful documentation in SONY's Developer world:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/
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I admit my question was a bit lazy, but it'd be pretty easy for people like you with lots of experience/knowledge on this Sony platform to give me a general idea.
I ordered a Z4T, but while reading this subforom while waiting for the shipment, things start to itch me a bit.
I'll anwer my own questions the way I see it now: Sony is pretty developer-friendly by providing source code and build instructions, but it's pretty buggy and there are very few developers doing stuff for the Z4T. I guess it's because of the bad availability of the device and the relatively small user base. The people @ FXP build ROMs, but I haven't heard much about how useful these builds are. If anything, I heard people downgrading from the 5.1.1 build. Rooting is only possible by unlocking the bootloader and flashing @AndroPlus' custom kernel. His current TWRP build has a bug that makes it impossible to restore a device backup.
Sony provides the option for unlocking the bootloader, but you'll completely lose your warranty. Furthermore, the TA partition will be irreverably changed and you'll lose functionality.
Marhsmallow has been announced, so there's that.
SONY's devices are good compromise for me
@jelbo
Good summary!
My opinion:
The SONY devices are good hardware. I like them because they are water resistant since I lost a phone after cycling in heavy rain.
I have a Tablet xperia Z with CyanogenMod on it. Android 5.1
The start with that 3rd party ROM was slow and it was quite buggy. Also battery life was worse than with stock ROM.
I have a SAMSUNG Galxy S5 phone. They have Knox-protection on their devices. Quite evil compared to SONY. Because it was released with Kitkat I could root it via exploit and keep Knox untriggered. I could get CyanogenMod, even Marshmallow Alphas for the phone. But the drivers are not that good and the battery life with stock is very good (up to four days for me).
So I will keep that phone on stock and I used Titanium Backup to get rid of SAMSUNG's bloatware.
SAMSUNG do not provide documentation and many of their SOCs are proprietary - no chance to do any development for these devices.
Long post short: SONY is very open and relatively easy to hack on their devices.
Better (now) in price and features than the Nexus devices IMO. I would never buy a device without any chance to do development on it.
I think the bug in TWRP will get fixed soon (has bitten me once).
Thanks for your kind reply
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@jelbo
Good summary!
My opinion:
The SONY devices are good hardware. I like them because they are water resistant since I lost a phone after cycling in heavy rain.
I have a Tablet xperia Z with CyanogenMod on it. Android 5.1
The start with that 3rd party ROM was slow and it was quite buggy. Also battery life was worse than with stock ROM.
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Sounds familiar. In my experience with the last few phones I've had, AOSP-based ROMs were always a tad slower and less battery-friendly than stock or stock based ROMs. For example, the stock 'Google Play Edition' ROMs ran like a dream on my HTC One m7, but others were always less smooth / battery friendly.
So, for the Z4T I'm not partularly worried about the lack of 3rd party ROMs. I'll be fine with stock rooted. But for the longer term, because of the unpopularity, I think it's unlikely to see much going on in a year from now on and that kind of makes me doubt my purchase.
I have a SAMSUNG Galxy S5 phone. They have Knox-protection on their devices. Quite evil compared to SONY.
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Yes, but not more evil than Sony I think. Samsung's bootloader unlock 'trips' Knox and it'll disable features like secure storage and services that depend on it. It's also irreversible. It's an awful lot like Sony's irreversible TA partition 'tripping'.
Because it was released with Kitkat I could root it via exploit and keep Knox untriggered. I could get CyanogenMod, even Marshmallow Alphas for the phone. But the drivers are not that good and the battery life with stock is very good (up to four days for me).
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I could root my Galaxy S6 using an exploit, without tripping Knox. I'm running 5.1.1 with an engineering bootloader, while still having my Knox untriggered. It's a luxury I'm not gonna have on the Z4T, unless an exploit will be found.
SAMSUNG do not provide documentation and many of their SOCs are proprietary - no chance to do any development for these devices.
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Yes, it's one of the reasons I want to avoid a Samsung as my new tablet. Exynos is a black box, so custom, stock-based ROMs will be the best you can get. BUT, I'm doubting now. Custom, stock-based ROMs are fine with me - as you mention, battery life is great. And on top of that, Samsung is so popular that lots of development is being done. I think chances are bigger to see the Marshmallow successor being ported for older Samsung devices than we'll see on this Sony Z4 Tablet in the future. But that's an assumption, I don't have Sony experience, but I see things re pretty dead here, even though the device was released quite a long time ago.
Long post short: SONY is very open and relatively easy to hack on their devices.
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I'm not really seeing that yet, but again, I've only looked at the Z4T now.
Better (now) in price and features than the Nexus devices IMO. I would never buy a device without any chance to do development on it.
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The microSD is an essential part for me. If the Pixel C would have had a microSD-slot I'd have chosen that. Development and future updates are a huge selling point for Nexus devices.
I think the bug in TWRP will get fixed soon (has bitten me once).
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Let's hope so.
Hopefully the Z4T will get some more love soon, as I have just sent my Pixel C back and taken a punt at a open box Amazon warehouse deal last night with 40% off the LTE
I love my Z3CT, Z3C and Ultra, which have had great support from the devs, so am expecting the Z4 to be the best hardware of the lot, but would also love a root method while keeping the bootloader locked for now.
Heres to hoping perhaps MM will lead to some kernel exploits.
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What made you return your Pixel C?
I love my Z3CT, Z3C and Ultra, which have had great support from the devs [...]
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Did it take a while to get to that point? Do you think the Z4T will have the same support?
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What made you return your Pixel C?
Did it take a while to get to that point? Do you think the Z4T will have the same support?
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Dont get me started on the Pixel C from Google UK pricing error on day 1 and their refusal for a week to refund or swapout 32g for 64g devices, due to their error; then I had a hardware fault with the screen not responding after 24hrs of use. I found their support just awful More issues were being reported in the xda forum and I decided I wasn't going to spend £550 to beta test for google. Nice solid device but heavier that the Z4 and sliding the keybard across the keyboard to remove it, just made me nervous of scratching something everytime I did it.
To be honest the Z4 forums are very quiet, but so were the pixel c's; as a few people were commenting.
I had to root my Z3 Tab by loading the Z3 phone firmware and rooting that, as that had a kernel vunerability and the kernel on the Z3 tab didn't.
Once the Z3 phone firmware was loaded and rooted, I could backup my TA partition and reload the Z3 tab firmware, rooted.
Its generally the phones that get root and the tabs have to utilise what they can, unless of course a dev has the tab.
The tab forums got much busier once the device had a less risky root method.
Sad to see that Nut hasn't got a recovery done, but I am assuming that due to root only being available by unlocking and losing TA, so limited testers, but haven't had time to read the history yet.
I have to say though that the Z4 is fantastic in comparison to the Pixel C and I am very glad I have reverted to the device that I know especially at £360 for the LTE version + keyboard on Amazon open box. First time using and the device is pristine. To be fair the Z4 is many iterations of getting it right and the Pixel is googles first try. Once its at Pixel C v4 it will probably be very good!
Heres to hoping MM is officially released soon, so the chances of rooting may get better.
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This is the reason why I didn't release XZDR for the Z3+/Z4/TabZ4 yet, too much difference with the Shinano and older device trees.
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That should be solved with 2.9 though...
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Seems the 64 bits is a material change, so things need to progress in 2.9 from my early readings.
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Dont get me started on the Pixel C from Google UK pricing error on day 1 and their refusal for a week to refund or swapout 32g for 64g devices, due to their error; then I had a hardware fault with the screen not responding after 24hrs of use. I found their support just awful More issues were being reported in the xda forum and I decided I wasn't going to spend £550 to beta test for google. Nice solid device but heavier that the Z4 and sliding the keybard across the keyboard to remove it, just made me nervous of scratching something everytime I did it.
To be honest the Z4 forums are very quiet, but so were the pixel c's; as a few people were commenting.
I had to root my Z3 Tab by loading the Z3 phone firmware and rooting that, as that had a kernel vunerability and the kernel on the Z3 tab didn't.
Once the Z3 phone firmware was loaded and rooted, I could backup my TA partition and reload the Z3 tab firmware, rooted.
Its generally the phones that get root and the tabs have to utilise what they can, unless of course a dev has the tab.
The tab forums got much busier once the device had a less risky root method.
Sad to see that Nut hasn't got a recovery done, but I am assuming that due to root only being available by unlocking and losing TA, so limited testers, but haven't had time to read the history yet.
I have to say though that the Z4 is fantastic in comparison to the Pixel C and I am very glad I have reverted to the device that I know especially at £360 for the LTE version + keyboard on Amazon open box. First time using and the device is pristine. To be fair the Z4 is many iterations of getting it right and the Pixel is googles first try. Once its at Pixel C v4 it will probably be very good!
Heres to hoping MM is officially released soon, so the chances of rooting may get better.
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Thanks for your reply, good info. I'm glad to hear some reassuring comments on the Z4T. Looks like you had a great deal as well. In the Netherlands they're hard to get. I payed €635 for the WiFi model... I'm still doubting a little bit to go for a discounted Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 for €380 though. I read it'll even get Marshmallow in April. Price difference is pretty big and there's lots of stuff for it already.
I'll have a look in some Xperia phone subforums on XDA.
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Thanks for your reply, good info. I'm glad to hear some reassuring comments on the Z4T. Looks like you had a great deal as well. In the Netherlands they're hard to get. I payed €635 for the WiFi model... I'm still doubting a little bit to go for a discounted Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 for €380 though. I read it'll even get Marshmallow in April. Price difference is pretty big and there's lots of stuff for it already.
I'll have a look in some Xperia phone subforums on XDA.
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Yes there are no deals on the Z4 Tab in the UK and all the new prices are the same retail price.
Thats why I decided to take a chance on the Amazon one, as I could return it if it was damaged or anything; and normal 12 months warranty with Amazon.
For me I haven't had a Samsung since my Tab 7.7 and wouldn't personally have another, but each to their own. The devs were always complaining at Samsung not releasing all the source code to their SoC's, wheereas Sony seemed to be more dev friendly.
The Z3 Tab is fantastic if you didn't mind the 8inch, but I am hoping once the Z3+ root is forthcoming and general 64bit root/recovery is done, then we will have some progress; he says, not being able to help the devs on whats seems a lot of work.
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I've got no Sony experience and I see surprisingly little custom ROM development. How 'dev-friendly' is this tablet? Does Sony provide source codes, drivers? Are they easy in unlocking bootloaders and flashing stuff like radios? Does it seem likely custom post-Marshmallow ROMs will be cooked in 1,5-2 years from now on?
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It's a shame that such a good device is so low supported by free developers even though it seems it's more open by the Sony in comparison with Samsung.
I noticed that some people think in the thread that not so much users have this device. I have an old phone so called HTC desire HD which was released in the faraway 2010, it is excellent supported as it even has the contemporary android 6.0. I don't believe that there are more HTC decide HD users rather than xperia tablet z4 users. Moreover, I see as my comrade-users of our device crying ? everyday on a Russian 4pda.ru site, that we wait but there's no a good root method, there is no a good description or a video showing us how does the only custom ROM work. What works and what is broken. And just not seeing good news over the course of several months. Of course, I am very disappointed in dramatic fashion, but I hope The change will come.
Thank you for attention!)
cut the drama
- you should not compare a phone to a tablet (numberwise)
- look into the fora for phones Z3+/Z4 and Z5
they have nearly identical SoCs, differences a sometimes build options
- there is a HUGE xperia cross devices forum here with tons of additional info
- the Z4 Tablet became available in June 2015
- the first sources from SONY showed up in .... June 2015
- I rooted the device in July - having done no Android programming or rooting before
- I ordered the device after researching (see below) and before there was root available because my findings showed that there would be sources and documentation from SONY so that if all else fails I would get later a custom rom or could even roll my own
- a video for "seeing" developing/hacking? Dream on...
- there is lots of documentation (even video) available, maybe no video on how to do a web search or an xda search
- searching (and reading and trying things out) worked for me - coming from SAMSUNG phones with no prior development experience on Android ... TRY IT
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- you should not compare a phone to a tablet (numberwise)
- look into the fora for phones Z3+/Z4 and Z5
they have nearly identical SoCs, differences a sometimes build options
- there is a HUGE xperia cross devices forum here with tons of additional info
- the Z4 Tablet became available in June 2015
- the first sources from SONY showed up in .... June 2015
- I rooted the device in July - having done no Android programming or rooting before
- I ordered the device after researching (see below) and before there was root available because my findings showed that there would be sources and documentation from SONY so that if all else fails I would get later a custom rom or could even roll my own
- a video for "seeing" developing/hacking? Dream on...
- there is lots of documentation (even video) available, maybe no video on how to do a web search or an xda search
- searching (and reading and trying things out) worked for me - coming from SAMSUNG phones with no prior development experience on Android ... TRY IT
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Good summary.
Small point, but the rooting element is by unlocking the bootloader, which not all will want to do. It is though an option that exists and we are thankful for those that have done so in order to progress the dev support.
I got a Project Tango tablet from work, it has k1 tegra chipset and it is stuck on original firmware, which is android 4.4.4 and doesnt performs very well on normal tasks as far as it is very powerfull hardware. Any chance I can upgrade it with custom firmware? Maybe shield tablet which has similar hardware without the special sensors?
Last time I had the tango (back in July 2016) there were no custom firmware/rom for it. I would check out the Tango Devs group on G+ to see if anyone has created an update for it.
Any news about this? Any help would be much appreciated.
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First off you are going to need root the device. Then a custom recovery. Then you can think of customs ROMS if you can work out the hardware and the appropriate drivers.
Just because it has the same processor as the Shield does not mean that all the other hardware is the same.
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First off you are going to need root the device. Then a custom recovery. Then you can think of customs ROMS if you can work out the hardware and the appropriate drivers.
Just because it has the same processor as the Shield does not mean that all the other hardware is the same.
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Thanks, the process is crystal clear, I just wanted to know if anybody already advanced anything in this device, but it feels as there is no progress at all, so It will be worth to sell this nearly new tablet and buy another device with more community working with it. A shame, with 128Gb emmc, 4Gb RAM and a powerfull processor...
It would be great if we could get any assistance from Google on this, I highly am doubtful they will release kernels but it is worth trying to petition them to release them, or anything of value towards this, to the community. The hardware is excellent on the tango Dev tablet, but at this point the software is absimal, and, as is, barely functions. I find most software cannot run and constant glitches make using it worse than a contemporary generic device despite an excellent touchscreen and the tegra processor.
I have rooted my Tango tablet, but what hopes do we have of a community rom running any newer version of Android? (5.1+) The shield tablet has similar hardware and could maybe be used as a base to develop from, as the basic kernel will be similar. anyone determine what wifi/Bluetooth hardware is on board the tango?
Come on Google, help us get full functionality and release the kernels!
Is there any one behind this project?
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It would be great if we could get any assistance from Google on this, I highly am doubtful they will release kernels but it is worth trying to petition them to release them, or anything of value towards this, to the community. The hardware is excellent on the tango Dev tablet, but at this point the software is absimal, and, as is, barely functions. I find most software cannot run and constant glitches make using it worse than a contemporary generic device despite an excellent touchscreen and the tegra processor.
I have rooted my Tango tablet, but what hopes do we have of a community rom running any newer version of Android? (5.1+) The shield tablet has similar hardware and could maybe be used as a base to develop from, as the basic kernel will be similar. anyone determine what wifi/Bluetooth hardware is on board the tango?
Come on Google, help us get full functionality and release the kernels!
Is there any one behind this project?
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if you want the development of the kernel at least started, make the kernel start logs. use the program syslog from Google Play for example.
I completely forgot that I found and downloaded the source code of the kernel on this tablet. The kernel is there version 3.10.24. With a strong desire, it could easily be adapted to the modern kernel 3.10.96.
I have the possibility of getting this tablet sub $100 and would be extremely interested if a newer Android could be loaded here. Or even maybe something like UBports (formerly Ubuntu Touch)
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I completely forgot that I found and downloaded the source code of the kernel on this tablet. The kernel is there version 3.10.24. With a strong desire, it could easily be adapted to the modern kernel 3.10.96.
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I can't find this source anywhere, could you upload a copy? I know a few people, myself included are looking for it. Someone else who is looking https://plus.google.com/u/1/+GregWillardr3pwn/posts/V1K5XDBtKig
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I can't find this source anywhere, could you upload a copy? I know a few people, myself included are looking for it. Someone else who is looking https://plus.google.com/u/1/+GregWillardr3pwn/posts/V1K5XDBtKig
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They have been with me for so long that I don’t remember exactly where I downloaded them from. I remember that it was some kind of official site about the project of tango.
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So you don't know exactly if these were the most recent version of the source?
If these are not the latest, it's better than nothing. I'm going to share these with that other guy and on reddit. Thank you for uploading these.
For anyone following this, the latest kernel appears to be here https://github.com/r3pwn/android_kernel_google_yellowstone
Hi guys, orginal Android 4.4 is still the latest Rom available, correct ?
HI.. I need the ROM stock for this device, Someone?
Hi again.. I found this on github, someone know something about this project?
NVIDIA AOSP device tree for building Project Tango Android 7.0
https://github.com/Project-Google-Tango/android_device_google_yellowstone
Anonikat I looked at that too. How great would that be? A 7.0 N even if I'd loose some Tango functionality. I'd just like it as a regular tablet, personally.
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I have the possibility of getting this tablet sub $100 and would be extremely interested if a newer Android could be loaded here. Or even maybe something like UBports (formerly Ubuntu Touch)
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Closest I've seen so far that seems functional for the most part is LineageOS 15.1 (Android 8.1) that's listed as an unofficial release in this forum.
Here is TWRP recovery project for this device https://forum.xda-developers.com/sh...overy-project-tango-k1-atap-twrp-3-2-t3901519
i have heard that Sailfish os is being built for sony X right? So when will it release....im so exciting....
Who you heard it from that it's being built
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Who you heard it from that it's being built
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Mate, check this Link for further information.
If you're a fan of Jolla (a mobile platform that's part Linux, part Android and loosely based on Nokia's MeeGo project), good news. The company has announced it will be releasing an official version of its Sailfish operating system for a number of Sony Xperia handsets. The news came from the firm's press event at MWC this morning, and adds a big-name brand to the currently mixed list of devices that the plucky (persistent?) mobile software has officially been ported to.
The first device to work with Sailfish, or rather, the first handset to be shown running it at MWC, is the Xperia X. Jolla says that there will be more compatible models, but the X is what it chose to show it off. Of course, Sailfish is technically available on many devices already, if you're willing to work with an unofficial port, but this time Jolla's partnered with Sony and its Open Device Platform for better compatibility.
Despite Jolla showing Sailfish on a working handset here in Barcelona, it seems there are still a few kinks to iron out. A representative told me features like "double tap" (to wake the device) aren't working yet, and support for 64-bit devices isn't as comprehensive as it is for 32-bit models (if you're into custom software, you'll likely know which yours is).
It's always nice to see alternative operating systems finding their way to mainstream phones, and seeing a Sony Xperia X running something other that the default Android certainly makes it a little bit more eye catching. I tried it for a few minutes and could see that the basic navigation was working no problem. But mostly, if you're into Jolla (which enjoys a steadfastly loyal community), then this is above all a good sign that Jolla's still committed to what it's doing.
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If you want the official version, you'll still have to wait though. Jolla says it won't be out until late spring/early summer.
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Very nice going to have a read up on this later then see what I can find out
I'll have to make my rom quick enough for people to try
No one on xx device will know me but I'm festa20 and can't get on my account. I did team Xperia roms was a long time ago but with the lack of support for this device I'm guna have a dig around with some stuff see what I can make
I know it just launched.But I just wanted to hear the opinions. OnePlus Nord 2 is pretty powerful phone, but it's a MediaTek Dimensity 1200. Normally OnePlus devices has great development support but as MediaTek device, do you think it will also have ROMs in the future?
Maybe, but we will have to wait till then.
I highly doubt. Don't keep your hopes too high. Look at the Nord CE 5G for a very recent example, in spite of having a Qualcomm proccy.
Oneplus has supposedly lost its charm after becoming Oppo.
Only hope lies for the 9T, if they can somehow figure out a way to keep the temperature/throttling low with the inherently shi*ty 888 and increase the battery life.
At least 1st thing , it should easy unlocking bootloader. (and has unbrick tool.)
Then let's hope if devs interesting this phone.
It's a bit early to suggest, but the chances of getting a custom rom with official support for Nord 2 is slim. MediaTek is the villain here. Developers cannot obtain the source code [not for free] for MediaTek chipset. Though enthusiasts may port other builds to this device for fun and experiment. Further development and official support is unlikely to happen. Either way let's hope for the best.
use fastboot flashing unlock to unlock the bootloader and wait for somebody to patch the boot.img. then lets root and wait for oneplus (hope!!!) to release the sources (though MTK has not been publishing, hope it changes)
It will probably not. I don't have a single example of MTK smartphones with custom roms. Tell me the contrary if it happened, I'm not an expert. Too bad.
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It will probably not. I don't have a single example of MTK smartphones with custom roms. Tell me the contrary if it happened, I'm not an expert. Too bad.
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Exactly, this should really detract companies from using their proccys but they still go to them for really cheap stuff. And people (((enthusiats))) that buy phones with MTK are really to blame. If people boycott these pathetic closed-ended devices, these manufacturers would be bound to skip such shady manufacturers or pay them extra for their source-code to be released.
I believe the sole reason MTK is cheaper because they don't reveal their source and saves them the cost on extra licensing and stuff. If they did, it might even be more expensive than Qualcomm. Although, recent Qualcomm proccys have been nice little portable electricity using inefficient frying pans, we could still say the future is bright with their market practices being sorted and waiting for the next-next gen, when they switch back to the good'ol TSMC fabrication. Samsung fabrication is really pathetic, everybody knows but they still stick to making processors, makes me sick sometimes.
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I know it just launched.But I just wanted to hear the opinions. OnePlus Nord 2 is pretty powerful phone, but it's a MediaTek Dimensity 1200. Normally OnePlus devices has great development support but as MediaTek device, do you think it will also have ROMs in the future?
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Well it depends.People have a misconception that mediatek doesn't support custom roms.But it's not entirely true.Take the case of redmi note 8 pro.It has more than 20 custom roms available and also good gcam support.In the initial stages it was struggling to get a custom rom,due to brick issues.Later developers figured out a way to unbrick the phone ,and now it's easy to unbrick if something goes wrong.
So what I'm saying is just wait for developers to pick this phone and if it becomes popular and if there's a way to unbrick for free ,then yeah surely custom rom developement will be there .
DREECOL said:
Well it depends.People have a misconception that mediatek doesn't support custom roms.But it's not entirely true.Take the case of redmi note 8 pro.It has more than 20 custom roms available and also good gcam support.In the initial stages it was struggling to get a custom rom,due to brick issues.Later developers figured out a way to unbrick the phone ,and now it's easy to unbrick if something goes wrong.
So what I'm saying is just wait for developers to pick this phone and if it becomes popular and if there's a way to unbrick for free ,then yeah surely custom rom developement will be there .
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Nah! not going to happen. Sad but true fact. May be one or two lackluster half-baked ROMs here and there but it'll be foolhardy to expect quality stuff coming for this phone.
mirakle said:
It will probably not. I don't have a single example of MTK smartphones with custom roms. Tell me the contrary if it happened, I'm not an expert. Too bad.
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Is it that diffult to verify what you say?
Here is your exemple :
Redmi Note 8 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe
Improve your Redmi Note 8 Pro's battery life, performance, and look by rooting it and installing a custom ROM, kernel, and more.
forum.xda-developers.com
Others exist too...
LeDiable said:
Exactly, this should really detract companies from using their proccys but they still go to them for really cheap stuff. And people (((enthusiats))) that buy phones with MTK are really to blame. If people boycott these pathetic closed-ended devices, these manufacturers would be bound to skip such shady manufacturers or pay them extra for their source-code to be released.
I believe the sole reason MTK is cheaper because they don't reveal their source and saves them the cost on extra licensing and stuff. If they did, it might even be more expensive than Qualcomm. Although, recent Qualcomm proccys have been nice little portable electricity using inefficient frying pans, we could still say the future is bright with their market practices being sorted and waiting for the next-next gen, when they switch back to the good'ol TSMC fabrication. Samsung fabrication is really pathetic, everybody knows but they still stick to making processors, makes me sick sometimes.
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"the future is bright with their market practices"...
Are you serious? Qualcomm were condemned many time due to anticompetitive behavior!
Most competitors leaves the market due to patents abuse (LTE, CDMA), not tiny ones : Intel, NVIDIA, Texas Instruments, Broadcom, ST-Microelectronics.
And people like you applause!
Your name is LeDiable...a tiny evil...your master is Qualcomm...by far!
Ask Oneplus is they dont have the sources you're asking for. They have!
Even a deeper access (Mediatek Open Resource Architecture) than the have with Snapdragon : as Qualcomm's Hexagon sources are closes.
Plumplum88 said:
Is it that diffult to verify what you say?
Here is your exemple :
Redmi Note 8 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Othe
Improve your Redmi Note 8 Pro's battery life, performance, and look by rooting it and installing a custom ROM, kernel, and more.
forum.xda-developers.com
Others exist too...
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You are right, my bad. I've only checked for a bunch of recent MTK phones I would have be interested in. And the Redmi Note 8 Pro wasn't one of them.
DREECOL said:
Well it depends.People have a misconception that mediatek doesn't support custom roms.But it's not entirely true.Take the case of redmi note 8 pro.It has more than 20 custom roms available and also good gcam support.In the initial stages it was struggling to get a custom rom,due to brick issues.Later developers figured out a way to unbrick the phone ,and now it's easy to unbrick if something goes wrong.
So what I'm saying is just wait for developers to pick this phone and if it becomes popular and if there's a way to unbrick for free ,then yeah surely custom rom developement will be there .
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Unlock an OnePlus is very easy, even Nord 2 is no exception. Just enable OEM unlock in the developers settings, then reboot to BootLoader and use the command: fastboot flashing unlock.
OnePlus released Kernel Source for Nord 2
Happy News
Nord 2 Kernel
JvLTech said:
OnePlus released Kernel Source for Nord 2
Happy News
Nord 2 Kernel
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When should we expect custom roms for Nord 2?
Anuj7798 said:
When should we expect custom roms for Nord 2?
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As soon as you build it.
I would wait on custom recovery, root access, other things first.
Last time I built LineageOS for a new device it was pretty straight forward, but without working TWRP and/or MSM tools I'm not sure I'd be brave enough to try flashing anything.
hopefully custom roms start flowing in the xda and telegram space
mlgmxyysd said:
Unlock an OnePlus is very easy, even Nord 2 is no exception. Just enable OEM unlock in the developers settings, then reboot to BootLoader and use the command: fastboot flashing unlock.
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I don't have the Advanced Reboot option in developer settings, and when using hardware keys or adb to reboot to bootloader, I get a "the serial is not match, fastboot_unlock_verify ok" message on the screen.
Any ideas?
moisthat said:
I don't have the Advanced Reboot option in developer settings, and when using hardware keys or adb to reboot to bootloader, I get a "the serial is not match, fastboot_unlock_verify ok" message on the screen.
Any ideas?
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this is normal.... fastboot works with this screen... be sure to have the right drivers installed