The Z4v is confirmed to be on its way to release on September 3rd. The first week has a promotional sale going on from what I see for three different people.
The full price of the phone is $599, but it will go on sale for $499 with $100 in Google play store credit.
For us Z3v owners, we can trade it in to knock off $220 to bring the price down to $379.
If you have any other phones, you can trade it in up to $70 in knocking it off.
I really love my Z3v, but seeing that Verizon has really abandoned it, it's no wonder why Verizon is now offering the Z4v. The YouTuber who has the phone confirmed the date, and he also discussed he hasn't had any issues with overheating on the SD810. I'm more likely tempted to get it now because if you just think about it, you do any extraneous activities on your phone, it'll heat up anyway.
Thoughts?
So what about if I am paying monthly on the retired edge program? Is that trade in price of $379 what I could finance monthly?
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So what about if I am paying monthly on the retired edge program? Is that trade in price of $379 what I could finance monthly?
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I think that would come to terms whether you're done financing the Z3v with the Edge plan by then. Otherwise, I think you're just paying at a discounted full price and all you'll be paying for is your plan month to month. I'm not too sure.
I just got the z3v a few months ago so I know I'm not done paying for it...but I think I'll try to sweet talk them at the store and play the no VoLTE and broken promises cars and see what they'll do for me (if anything)
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This is my 1st sony phone after trying virtually all other manufacturers, except LG, and I love it. Came from Note 3 and I loved the size but wasn't a fan of TW. I think the biggest struggle I've had is the lack of support and development. But honestly I was kinda tired of rooting/tinkering with my phone and just wanted a good phone with great camera and battery. Didn't realize how much I'd miss simultaneous voice and data...here's hoping the z4v has all I need. Appreciate the update Giga
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I simply don't know what I'm going to do. My experience with the Z3v has been the best I've ever had on any phone from a stability, reception, OS fluiditity and stability standpoint, and of course this amazing battery.
So I paid full price $599 for this phone 9 months ago. I'd have to pay an additional $379 to trade it in, meaning in total I'd be spending over $1000 with tax and everything.
For that $1000 I'm getting more resolution which I don't need, shorter battery life which I dont want, a faster processor that probably makes no difference in day to do use, Lollipop with all the annoying bright colors and white screens that I don't like, and simultaneous voice and data.
In other words for me personally the only positive thing I'm gaining for spending $1000 is simultaneous voice and data, and updates that will protect me from malware vulnerabilities. Both of these things were promised to me when I bought the Z3v, and now I have to pay another $379 and have to give back my Z3v for their broken promises?
In the end I consider this offer from Verizon a joke. Are we supposed to be happy to pay for their mistake? And on top of it they get to keep our Z3v on the trade so we can't even sell it off later ourselves to offset the cost of their mistake.
Thanks Verizon. Well done, you really know how to shaft your customers.
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I simply don't know what I'm going to do. My experience with the Z3v has been the best I've ever had on any phone from a stability, reception, OS fluiditity and stability standpoint, and of course this amazing battery.
So I paid full price $599 for this phone 9 months ago. I'd have to pay an additional $379 to trade it in, meaning in total I'd be spending over $1000 with tax and everything.
For that $1000 I'm getting more resolution which I don't need, shorter battery life which I dont want, a faster processor that probably makes no difference in day to do use, Lollipop with all the annoying bright colors and white screens that I don't like, and simultaneous voice and data.
In other words for me personally the only positive thing I'm gaining for spending $1000 is simultaneous voice and data, and updates that will protect me from malware vulnerabilities. Both of these things were promised to me when I bought the Z3v, and now I have to pay another $379 and have to give back my Z3v for their broken promises?
In the end I consider this offer from Verizon a joke. Are we supposed to be happy to pay for their mistake? And on top of it they get to keep our Z3v on the trade so we can't even sell it off later ourselves to offset the cost of their mistake.
Thanks Verizon. Well done, you really know how to shaft your customers.
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I understand where you're coming from. You're not the only one who had to spend full price for the Z3v as Verizon's joke attempt on setting up a phone for failure. It's up to you whether you want to keep it or not, but I know you've had great experiences with yours. I wouldn't totally diss the Z4v on battery life necessarily because it does have real Z3 hardware technology such as the screen RAM, which saves on power. The higher display resolution is highly questionable and makes no different to the human eye than what Full HD can already do.
I do wish there was a better option for us Z3v owners than just knocking off $220. This info is only a rumor so o hope there is a better rumor than this.
I really appreciate you passing the rumors on to us GigaSPX. If the rumors are true, its like Verizon is kind of admitting they screwed up, but they are passing the cost of that srew-up on to the customers backs. I'd be more apt to pay $379 for a Z4v if I could keep my Z3v, plus have the Z4v insured at no extra cost to us.
So rather than getting a Z4v, anyone thinking about the new 2015 Moto X Style Pure Edition for $399? That would take Verizon out of the picture entirely for updates.... lol
Wait for Z5 then ditch Verizon. Why reward fraud?
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I really appreciate you passing the rumors on to us GigaSPX. If the rumors are true, its like Verizon is kind of admitting they screwed up, but they are passing the cost of that srew-up on to the customers backs. I'd be more apt to pay $379 for a Z4v if I could keep my Z3v, plus have the Z4v insured at no extra cost to us.
So rather than getting a Z4v, anyone thinking about the new 2015 Moto X Style Pure Edition for $399? That would take Verizon out of the picture entirely for updates.... lol
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Actually I am, or one of the new Nexus devices, providing they are all carrier compatible like the Nexus 6. This really has to leave a bitter taste in the mouths of z3v owners, waiting for an update that never came. I really do like Sony's hardware and loved the Z2 I had when I was briefly on AT&T. If the $220 trade in is true it's not that bad of a deal as the z3v is selling for just a little more than that on swappa right and will likely sell for less once the z4v actually drops.
I paid $340 for my Z3v new from swappa. there must have been a liquidation of the phones because a lot of them sold around the time I got mine. At the moment I honestly dont think its worth it for me even though I got mine for cheaper. The accessory support will probably be just as bad as the z3v. I really like being able to get something different from what many people know of and buy, it almost has an exclusive feel to it while hiding its faults at the same time. If it wasnt for the moto x pure edition price, I would probably go through with the whole trade in thing. All in all, I still like the phone for its screen, battery and audio with headphones or speakers. This whole stage fright thing would be another reason to get a phone I know will be updated and if not root and cyanogen mod will be there if stage fright security measures don't take it away.
I'm thinking about the new 2015 LG nexus 5. But only if it's on Verizon. Because Verizon does have the best network.
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I paid $340 for my Z3v new from swappa. there must have been a liquidation of the phones because a lot of them sold around the time I got mine. At the moment I honestly dont think its worth it for me even though I got mine for cheaper. The accessory support will probably be just as bad as the z3v. I really like being able to get something different from what many people know of and buy, it almost has an exclusive feel to it while hiding its faults at the same time. If it wasnt for the moto x pure edition price, I would probably go through with the whole trade in thing. All in all, I still like the phone for its screen, battery and audio with headphones or speakers. This whole stage fright thing would be another reason to get a phone I know will be updated and if not root and cyanogen mod will be there if stage fright security measures don't take it away.
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Just so you know, you can download Textra as your text messaging app to protect yourself against stagefrite.
Reason why I'm sticking with Sony is because of all those above reasons and the waterproofing. I have the noise cancelling headset that matches with the phone and I should have bought it at the very beginning for use.
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I can vouch for Textra.... great messaging app plus protection. Been using it for about a year.
Won't be updating. Don't fall into that trap. Its like your giving them a pat on the back for screwing us. "Couldn't help but notice we stopped supporting your phone. For only $400 we will give you the next generation. Just don't expect us to support that one."
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Won't be updating. Don't fall into that trap. Its like your giving them a pat on the back for screwing us. "Couldn't help but notice we stopped supporting your phone. For only $400 we will give you the next generation. Just don't expect us to support that one."
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As much as it pains me for that too, what option are you going with?
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Gonna just have to tough out my contract and drive their name in the mud. Throwing more money at this is not an option for me. As far as getting a vzw branded android phone. It doesn't fix anything but incentives them to screw people over and have them buy new devices. Those who buy a Z4v expecting more then 89 days of support are kidding themselves. I really can't see them supporting it any longer then they have ours. Based on the reality of our situation. I understand folks wanting another device just don't play the game that round 2 will be any better.
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Just so you know, you can download Textra as your text messaging app to protect yourself against stagefrite.
Reason why I'm sticking with Sony is because of all those above reasons and the waterproofing. I have the noise cancelling headset that matches with the phone and I should have bought it at the very beginning for use.
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I thought all you needed to do was just turn off the auto download mms? There were also other ways to catch it instead of just text from my understanding.
I have been interested in that headset you mentioned I just haven't purchased it yet.
The waterproofing feature is a large reason why I got the z3v in the first place but because of the rear glass adhesive issue I have its not always sealed properly. its like it wants to stick but slowly comes undone. Im about to dip the whole back in plastidip jk...or not. If I could get maybe 300-340 out of it instead of the crummy 220 I would probably get the z4m I mean z4v without com"promise" from vzw about updating. (sounded better in my head)
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I thought all you needed to do was just turn off the auto download mms? There were also other ways to catch it instead of just text from my understanding.
I have been interested in that headset you mentioned I just haven't purchased it yet.
The waterproofing feature is a large reason why I got the z3v in the first place but because of the rear glass adhesive issue I have its not always sealed properly. its like it wants to stick but slowly comes undone. Im about to dip the whole back in plastidip jk...or not. If I could get maybe 300-340 out of it instead of the crummy 220 I would probably get the z4m I mean z4v without com"promise" from vzw about updating. (sounded better in my head)
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I really have no idea about the whole rear adhesive, but maybe putting a case on could keep it together? Lol
If it was 300-400 off, that would be satisfactory. But seriously, does no one think there can't be a lawsuit over broken promises? lol
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I really have no idea about the whole rear adhesive, but maybe putting a case on could keep it together? Lol
If it was 300-400 off, that would be satisfactory. But seriously, does no one think there can't be a lawsuit over broken promises? lol
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Im seriously thinking about spraying white plastidip on the back. A case wont help because the lift is so tiny. if you look at the back of your phone at a 20 degree angle you should notice the plastic trim lip all the way around. on the usb side and right over that spot the glass is meeting that point on my device instead of being below it.
I say haggle with vzw for a better price lol. The time you take trying to get your point across they would have made that back and more in a matter of seconds.
#com"promise" lol
So I'm speaking with a Verizon agent simply asking, "is Verizon still supporting the Z3v?" Apparently it still is because there was announcement of an update on July 14th, but it didn't get release because of some bugs. So I've been informed of a tentative software update sometime this month of August. Which is really up in the air considering all these past months.
I then ask about the Z4v and what there is for us. We can trade in our Z3v if it's in like new and working condition, and mine could go for $310 to trade in. I asked how much the Z4v would be full price, and they have no solid idea other than comparing the full price for the Z3v going for $499 (although that's the current retail value now as opposed to 10 months ago). So that ay bring it down to $290 instead of $370 if the full price is $599...hmm....
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So I've been thinkign about buying a note 2. Have purchased a razr last year (13 months ago) I'm not elegible for an upgrade; but it has god awful battery life (it predates the maxx; which pissed me off).
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So I wanted to check verzion final price on the phone; went to website; add it to cart month-to-month; then wanted to see if i could actually purchase it. Nope; have to add a plan (as a side note the plans have been raised to $20 so without discountes the $80 plan is now $100). Wiat this is month-to-month - I don't need (or want) a plan so I hit the chat button. Rep comes on and I tell them the problem. You have to add a plan they tell me. We can always remove it later if you want but to purchase you will need (another) plan. But I don't want a freaking plan I just want the phone. I'm sorry we can't sell you a phone without selling you a plan but ....
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So not only do they charge more for the phone than any other brand (at&t, sprint, ...) and then they break features on the phone adding their own local hacks (block call and similar); they won't even sell the bloody thing. Maybe that is a hint !
I ran into that too, but I went to a local vz store and bought mine the day they where released with no problem.
You should also realize you don't need to buy your phone from Verizon, there are many other ventures that are selling the Note 2 both oncontract and off.
There site may just be flawed pick it up in store if you need.
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Well I was thinking amazon; they tend to be good about return/exchanages if there is an issue and as a company I think i prefer them to verizon.
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I did find a use one for $450 that is tempting but I won't be going home for a couple of weeks; maybe I'll wait and see if it is still for sale - but i worry a bit about warranty; while $450 is a good price; at $600 or $650 which is more common I think maybe that warrany is worth the few extra dollars.
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There site may just be flawed pick it up in store if you need.
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Can't you buy them direct from Samsung now?
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Can't you buy them direct from Samsung now?
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Sure can if you want to pay $800. Actually they sell it via best buy. There is suppsoe to be a 'developer' version direct from samsung but i couldn't find it on their website; they sure like to hide such things.
You can get the Maxx battery put on your razr. My brother had his done through a company and they even gave him a warranty for it. Just thought I would share. Funny thing is that his phone now says razr maxx under about phone .
Also I noticed a fellow former rezound user, jmorton, nice to still see you around. Remember your name from over there.
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Are all off contract note 2s 669?
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You're wasting your time (and money!) trying to buy from Verizon. It's extremely easy to pick one up BNIB from eBay or Craigslist. Worst case scenario you'll save $50. Best case you'll find somebody trying to offload a gift they don't want and save a lot more. Mine, the guy hadn't even taken out of the box. Found on Craigslist, he wanted $575.
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Also I noticed a fellow former rezound user, jmorton, nice to still see you around. Remember your name from over there.
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Yea, that's me. Good to see you here, I still have two Rezounds.
I really loved that phone but they seem awfully slow and laggy now compared to the N2 when I play with them.
This is kinda funny, I have a 12 year old daughter that plays soccer and I help coach the team. One of the Moms from the team was telling me how much she hated her older android phone and was planning to use an upgrade to buy a new iphone (and lose her unlimited data plan to do it).
I showed her one of the ROMed and highly tweaked/unlocked etc Rezounds and offered to give it to her for free (and she could have kept her unlimited data package). She basically said "no thanks, I never want to see another android phone at this point"
She bought a new iphone the next day and when I asked her a few weeks later how she liked it she responded "I absolutely love it, this is what I should have bought in the first place"
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You're wasting your time (and money!) trying to buy from Verizon. It's extremely easy to pick one up BNIB from eBay or Craigslist. Worst case scenario you'll save $50. Best case you'll find somebody trying to offload a gift they don't want and save a lot more. Mine, the guy hadn't even taken out of the box. Found on Craigslist, he wanted $575.
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For $575 I might take a chance on it, but there is not a chance I would buy one off ebay or craigs list to save $50 over buying straight from Verizon.
Log in to the site, then it will let you buy it without adding a plan.
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You're wasting your time (and money!) trying to buy from Verizon. It's extremely easy to pick one up BNIB from eBay or Craigslist. Worst case scenario you'll save $50. Best case you'll find somebody trying to offload a gift they don't want and save a lot more. Mine, the guy hadn't even taken out of the box. Found on Craigslist, he wanted $575.
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Agreed, same thing here. Except mine was mine was 625. Still, much better than about 800bucks.
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She bought a new iphone the next day and when I asked her a few weeks later how she liked it she responded "I absolutely love it, this is what I should have bought in the first place
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To me Iphone users are weird. IOS 6 feels the the same as android but one has to pay for every useful app. Being locked into Apple's web browser and walled garden is crazy. People are ok with it and it blows my mind.
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To me Iphone users are weird. IOS 6 feels the the same as android but one has to pay for every useful app. Being locked into Apple's web browser and walled garden is crazy. People are ok with it and it blows my mind.
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I completely agree and I have an ipad2 (I'm typing on it rightnow)
I bought the ipad way back when they very first came out and it's the first apple product I have ever owned (except my 12 year old daughter has an ipod touch) It is the 64 gig with both WiFi and 3g. I have done Windows mods/repairs etc for years and home build all my PCs.
I really wanted an android tablet but all the android tablets that I tried back then sucked. They where all laggy/slow etc and the ipad just blew them away with its smooth glitch free operation.
I loved the ipad at first but the more I used it, the more the limitations of it really started to annoy me. Now, I hate the thing and would really like to sell it and buy an android tablet but I have so many apps etc in it (it is jailbroken) that I don't really want to dump it either.
The thing that really annoys the living sh** out of me is, I started posting on an apple message board (very similar to this one but only for iphones/ipads/ipods etc.) EVERY SINGLE TIME I tried to get help for something that irritated me about the ipad, I would get flamed like crazy by 50 a-holes claiming the ipad was absolutely perfect just the way it stood and if I didn't like it I was an idiot and should go buy something else.
I couldn't believe it, I was not trolling AT ALL, just asking legitimate questions and most of the posters (who where technically retarded) could not stand for anybody to post even the tiniest criticism of their Apple products.
I sort of addressed this at the start. First the note 2 is $700 at amazon and verizon; the $800 price is via samsung website which uses bestbuy. For $450 or $500 I would be willing to buy it used in the right situation (there was one 'new in box' for $450 but it sold pretty quickly). However at $625-$650 I tink I would rather have the warranty. Locally I've not seen one below $625 and on ebay folks are trying to sell them with cracked screens for > $600.
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Agreed, same thing here. Except mine was mine was 625. Still, much better than about 800bucks.
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Well I was thinking amazon; they tend to be good about return/exchanages if there is an issue and as a company I think i prefer them to verizon.
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I did find a use one for $450 that is tempting but I won't be going home for a couple of weeks; maybe I'll wait and see if it is still for sale - but i worry a bit about warranty; while $450 is a good price; at $600 or $650 which is more common I think maybe that warrany is worth the few extra dollars.
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If that used one was a legitimate sale and not beat up (not a CL scam), it's already sold. That's dirt cheap for a GN2. Even bad esn GN2's sell on eBay for that much. A reasonable price for a like new GN2 will be between $5-600 on CL. More anywhere else online.
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A less expensive option from Verizon.
If you are already 12 months or so into a contract with shared data, another option is to get it on a new line ($299) then cancel your old line and pay ETF (approx $230 if you're 12 months into your contract), total $529 plus tax from Verizon with full warranty and support. If you want to keep your old number just port it out to Google Voice.
I considered this when it first came out, and confirmed it would work at my Verizon store, but decided to pay full price to avoid entering yet another new 24 month contract.
Yea I thought of something similar; switching to at&t (I have another thread). The more I look at how these companies work the less I like them; Kind of hope google offers a (good) phone service alternative as is currently rumored. Its not just the prices but on top of the prices the crap they stuff/cram/ram/whatever up the users whatever.
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If you are already 12 months or so into a contract with shared data, another option is to get it on a new line ($299) then cancel your old line and pay ETF (approx $230 if you're 12 months into your contract), total $529 plus tax from Verizon with full warranty and support. If you want to keep your old number just port it out to Google Voice.
I considered this when it first came out, and confirmed it would work at my Verizon store, but decided to pay full price to avoid entering yet another new 24 month contract.
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To me Iphone users are weird. IOS 6 feels the the same as android but one has to pay for every useful app. Being locked into Apple's web browser and walled garden is crazy. People are ok with it and it blows my mind.
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I use Dolphin on Android and they have a web app for IOS as well. There are options, but the majority of android users don't even know they can use a different browser, and they don't even care. The majority of android users don't take advantage of any/all of the features android offers over IOS, so it's not hard to see why IOS is perfectly fine for so many people.
Samsung isn't planning on releasing this phone on the big red until MAY30 WHICH is very close to June and isn't there going to be a couple phone in June around that same type with the new snapdragon 800 like that new moto phone coming out so I'm.curious wouldn't the new phone in June play the new gs4 obsolete ? Samsung gs4 release so late will make it its own demise ! why is Verizon releasing this phone so late i mean if there's a phone within the same month of the gs4 with twice the power then I won't consider the gs4 when I can wait just 2 weeks and buy somethin much more superior in hardware and stock android Samsung is about to lose a tons of money on Verizon if they wait all th way to may30 around the same month as sum very new phones with double the power .... Why didnt the gs4 release earlier ?? in may when moto announces there phone which will prob kill the gs4 in every way specs and software within 3week after the gs4 comes to store everyone will cancel there preorders and just wait and extra 3week to get the most powerful phone with a better screen n better snapdragon n prob more sensors and better battery and full stock android!
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Samsung gs4 release so late will make it its own demise ! Why didnt the gs4 release earlier ??
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That doesn't make a lot of sense. People in the U.S. typically get new phones when they become eligible so there's a steady stream of people year round looking to buy new phones no matter when they are released. People buy what pleases them. The DNA tanked on VZW and there were no other phones released before it or after it that caused its failure. And it was powerful and had the world's first 1080P display. People are still buying SGS3's in large quantities and probably will after the SGS4's out because the price will be reduced. The SGS4 will be on the market as a "flagship" for 9-12 months and Samsung's planning on selling 10MM a month. HTC, Motorola, LG, and Sony all introduced phones that competed with the SGS3 and it certainly didn't affect Samsung's sales last year. So there's no reason to expect it to this year either. And the average consumer doesn't know (or care) what a Snapdragon, Exynos, or Octa is.
Plenty of hot new phones came out after the Galaxy S3's July release in the U.S. like the Razr Maxx HD, Nexus 4, etc. yet the GS3 outsold all of them by a huge margin. The average consumer doesn't buy phones based mainly on hardware specs.
Verizon is launching it on may 23rd, not may 30th. I went to Verizon yesterday and there was a Samsung rep there showing the employees the s4 and they said the official launch date is the 23rd. I know that's still three weeks later than the rest, but at least its a week earlier than may 30th. I gotta question, is verizons s4 going to be harder to unlock and root than the rest of them? I heard Verizon likes to lock them down, and I've never owned a smartphone I've been holding out for this one. I own a nexus 7 which is obviously the easiest to unlock and root. But i know the s4 is a huge release so I'm kinda assuming that there will be a solid method to root for Verizon. Am i right?
According to official PR from Samsung today, it will be on all major US carriers by the end of April. I'm guessing April 30th.
The Galaxy S 4 is optimized for powerful performance on the nation’s fastest networks and will be available on AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile and Verizon Wireless as well as U.S. Cellular, Cricket and C Spire starting during April. Additionally, consumers can find the Galaxy S 4 at Best Buy and Best Buy Mobile, Costco, Radio Shack, Sam’s Club, Staples, Target and Wal-Mart. Exact pricing and retail availability will be announced by each of the carriers and retailers in the coming weeks.
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http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20687
hurricane350 said:
According to official PR from Samsung today, it will be on all major US carriers by the end of April. I'm guessing April 30th.
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20687
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Available to carriers and carriers making the phone available to consumers are two different things.
And for the OP... i am not sure how new phones will make the s4 obsolete? a cpu does not a phone make....
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Available to carriers and carriers making the phone available to consumers are two different things.
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But it says available on not to... I'm staying optimistic!
It also says "starting in april" that could mean that just one or a few carriers will roll it out in April.
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I.D.K. why the O.P. is saying that the galaxy s4 would be obsolete soon i mean come on the motorla x phone right now is just a nice looking rumor plus a processor in a phone doesn't make all that difference because maybe you saw last year's htc one X+ it smoked the galaxy but the battery was really bad plus i hardly ever think android needs more power right now they need to be more battery friendly and better screen really what do you want more than 441ppi ?? anyway looking at all those gs4 specs and concediring what happened with last year's gs3 i can tell you that the galaxy won't go down till the gs5 is out so don't worry if verizon goes a few weeks later than everyone else it will still sell like hot cakes.
I still have unlimited internet after 4/21 can I buy new galaxy s4 cell using the new 12 month payment plan that's effective on 4/21 without upgrading to the 200sub? Does anyone know I think everyone who still has unlimited internet should ask Verizon this.. I wanna get the new s4 but keep my unlimited internet so will this 12month thing work for me?
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I am going to tell you right now that Verizon's phones are the worst due to the spyware they bloat them up with. I hope they do as little to it as possible and there's no way verizon is going to pay for a S800 S4. They are cheap when it comes to there phones and replacing one that has gone bad is near impossible unless you take them to the FCC. If they ever touch my unlimited, I am gone with out a hint of doubt.
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I am going to tell you right now that Verizon's phones are the worst due to the spyware they bloat them up with. I hope they do as little to it as possible and there's no way verizon is going to pay for a S800 S4. They are cheap when it comes to there phones and replacing one that has gone bad is near impossible unless you take them to the FCC. If they ever touch my unlimited, I am gone with out a hint of doubt.
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I actually find that replacing phones is very easy on verizon compared to sprint. I had sprint in the past and their customer service was atrocious. The Fascinate (Verizon Galaxy S) apparently had lots of problems, and they kept getting replaced until the Droid Charge came out, when Verizon just started giving out Charges to replace Fascinates.
The Charge had some problems too, and if you got enough bad ones from them, they even started handing out the Bionic, Rezound, and Razr too (phones that came out later with much higher specs). I even bricked my Charge and they just gave me a new one.
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They had to post something. The basically are going to be releasing with the third world, lol. Its ALWAYS something with them. They did their best to wreck the galaxy nexus, they were in on the Carrier IQ scandal, they have to plaster their dated logo on everything, and they sell pretty much the most bloated phones in existence. Yes, they have a good network, but frankly, I live in DFW...all the carriers have good networks here. It's flat, populated and affluent.
I have an upgrade, but their delay conveniently puts me within a month of my contract ending. My wife gets a ~25% discount through work, but I can get 15% on T-Mobile, and with the massive price difference, it actually makes T-mobile a better deal. I may even pickup up a used N4, get the $30 walmart plan thing, and wait for the Note III.
I guess as someone that pays attention and is tired of getting screwed and treated like an idiot sheep, I am just not their target market.
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They had to post something. The basically are going to be releasing with the third world, lol. Its ALWAYS something with them. They did their best to wreck the galaxy nexus, they were in on the Carrier IQ scandal, they have to plaster their dated logo on everything, and they sell pretty much the most bloated phones in existence. Yes, they have a good network, but frankly, I live in DFW...all the carriers have good networks here. It's flat, populated and affluent.
I have an upgrade, but their delay conveniently puts me within a month of my contract ending. My wife gets a ~25% discount through work, but I can get 15% on T-Mobile, and with the massive price difference, it actually makes T-mobile a better deal. I may even pickup up a used N4, get the $30 walmart plan thing, and wait for the Note III.
I guess as someone that pays attention and is tired of getting screwed and treated like an idiot sheep, I am just not their target market.
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I don't know exactly which options you're choosing, but if you do the math I suspect you'll find that T-Mobile isn't the better deal. I've been doing research recently for an upgrade myself, and I found that corporate discounts actually significantly narrow the gap between T-Mobile and Verizon. Reason is because with T-Mobile ditching subsidies but lowering the monthly bill, the value of a discount on that smaller monthly bill is proportionately less. If you factor in the fact that a full price GS4 on T-Mobile is $630 vs $200 for Verizon, Verizon might actually come out ahead over the course of 2 years.
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I don't know exactly which options you're choosing, but if you do the math I suspect you'll find that T-Mobile isn't the better deal. I've been doing research recently for an upgrade myself, and I found that corporate discounts actually significantly narrow the gap between T-Mobile and Verizon. Reason is because with T-Mobile ditching subsidies but lowering the monthly bill, the value of a discount on that smaller monthly bill is proportionately less. If you factor in the fact that a full price GS4 on T-Mobile is $630 vs $200 for Verizon, Verizon might actually come out ahead over the course of 2 years.
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If he used like 1GB a month sure it would cost less, but Verizon's network has really gone down the drain in the bigger citys. May as well have sprint 3G at times it get's so bad. Now if you live in bum ville sure Verzion win's. But he live's in the city so data speeds will be better on T-moblie.
Also no unlimited data any more with verizon and those like me that still have it get throttled.
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I have an upgrade, but their delay conveniently puts me within a month of my contract ending.
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If you're considering using an upgrade, that means you don't have unlimited, in which case my question is... why bother with VZ?
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Also no unlimited data any more with verizon and those like me that still have it get throttled.
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It's not throttled. When the network isn't congested (as you say, places like NYC during the day are crap) I still get great speeds.
Thoughts? Look at the pricing and availability towards the bottom of the page.
Says October 11th and $498. Seems like the legit Samsung site.
http://www.samsung.com/sg/news/local/samsung-gear-s-and-gear-circle-enhances-the-smart-wearable-experience
Is that only a Singapore date?
That's what I'm wondering, either way gives me hope of a US October release. Personally I'd like to grab my 4 and Gear S at the same time, like I did last year with my Note 3, Gear and Note 10.1 2014 in one purchase, made for an overwhelmingly good, fun night lol. But I'd like to kick start my Note 4 with a Gear S attached to it.
that`s about what $400 US?
No idea, I'd pay it though! Just need some US info, I'm more excited about the watch than any other device right now.
As much as I want one. I need to see a full review with a production model.
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As much as I want one. I need to see a full review with a production model.
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Eh, most product reviews are usually by idiots in my opinion that have no idea what they are looking at, I realized this last year with the Gear 1, people are still referencing uneducated early reviews about the Gear 1 when talking about the Gear S, I'm still using my Gear 1 that was "so horrible on battery" lol and its awesome on battery.
The reviewers usually know much less than we but occasionally proved useful information.
We still need to know full specs and capabilities.
Agreed, I'm a huge fan of reviews and unboxing videos prior to a purchase but I take them with a grain of salt and worst case scenario I just most stores return policy.
I find it odd that this watch is released before the Note 4 or Edge.
Based upon the leaked Australian pricing, the Gear S USA would be around $375. My guess is they round that to $350 which would make it about $15 a month on a 2 year non-binding agreement or maybe $100 on a 2 year contract.
Finally read the give print on the att site and got an idea of how they plan to set up the gear s. Figured I'd share for any that didn't know.
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Finally read the give print on the att site and got an idea of how they plan to set up the gear s. Figured I'd share for any that didn't know.
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I think that is a bit misleading. If the watch is 3G and has a sim card, you will be able to receive SMS directly without a cell phone. I think what they are trying to say is that you will be able to add your Gear S to an existing Smartphone Contract but you won't be able to have the Gear S as your only phone.
We'll see. A lot of confusing info out there. Would be nice of them to just give a for sale date and price though.
Saw a UK site (Sky News) saying they are taking pre orders at £349 !!!
Yes £'s
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Saw a UK site (Sky News) saying they are taking pre orders at £349 !!!
Yes £'s
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That includes VAT and of course everything always costs more in England. We also don't know if that site is gouging people or not. My guess is $350 USD.
Lol I'm just getting frustrated with the mobile carriers and Samsung, Samsung did this last year with the Note 10.1 2014 all hush hush until a week before it's for sale, stupid move in my opinion especially for high end expensive products, if someone doesn't make a lot of money and they try to save they don't know how much or for how long, or if they are really in the market for something (ie; like me with a tablet last year, I really wanted the new note 10.1 but had to wait almost two months for just a release date, and I almost bought a different non Samsung tablet instead, luckily for Samsung and myself I held out) but to think that most people can just drop $4-500 on a watch or $7-800 on a tablet on their next paycheck like that, is just stupid and is what's killing their first week sales. I've had my Note 4, VR and especially my Gear S money sitting in a jar just piling up since IFA I've probably accumulated double what everything will cost, but then again I'm not sure lol, I'm sure I'll find out 3 days before it's time to finally get one and hopefully I have enough, or still want it.
I'm not sure who, Samsung or the cell companies, lol but for Christ sakes give people time to plan and not string them along for months with not even a rough estimate of price or what were in for as far as if it's another monthly phone charge. We're 25% through October and still nothing, I'm all about Samsung products so I'll hold out, but how many people do you think won't? And Samsung wonders why their profits are down 40 something percent since last year. Hate to say it, because I hate Apple as a whole, but they were shipping a week after announcing, hit em while it's hot, Samsung yet again announces and let's the oven cool, most people would of scooped this off the shelves soon after IFA because of all the buzz, wait two months and hear nothing about it again most people will move on and probably grab a Moto 360 or something, so Samsung is just hurting themselves.
I personally am not the type who gets more excited over months of anticipation, I get annoyed and frustrated, but I swear by Samsung products, how about the people who don't? That are willing to try them out over the new iPhone, but weren't willing to wait forever and just say screw it and grab the iPhone? There's your numbers Samsung, there's your profits.
I wish they'd Stop trying to beat Apple and worry about stealing their users, it won't happen, they're brainwashed and are not worried about specs or bang for their buck, spoke could release the iTurd and those kids would ready it up, so worry about the people who are diehard Samsung fans, they keep the lights on, I've personally converted about 5 iPhone users to Samsung s5's and Note 3's and will continue to do so.
If they keep us happy, we'll do more marketing then any reviewer or competitive release date will.
Lol so let's get some friggin' info already.
Side note (no pun intended):
I fear the day Samsung stops making removable backs with swappable batteries and micro sd card slots! they did it on the alpha, which I almost considered picking up to have as a side phone to my Note 4 until I saw no expandable memory, next goes the removable back and then we got an android (or Tizen) iPhone which is the opposite of what I want in a smartphone. I honestly won't buy a phone that I can't remove the battery or especially doesn't have expandable memory. The only ones really complaining about the plastic are people that use iPhones and don't plan to buy a Samsung anyways, 3 Notes deep, 4th in a few weeks and I've never had a problem with the plastic. We don't want iPhones Samsung, and iPhone users don't want anything besides an iPhone.
Nice!!!!
The at&t site has full specs up but no release date yet. We know that it'll be a "connected device" meaning $10/mo on mobile share plans & I'm guessing you'll have you have a phone on the plan even if you don't want it. The samsung ppl hinted that the calling/sms features will be tied into GVoice but that's just conjecture. It sounds like it'll either have something to do with hangouts, or an app on your phone that forwards everything to the watch under certain conditions.
I'm not saying i know, just guessing based on all the bits on info I've been given by the 2 companies. I'm wondering how it'll be added to grandfathered family plans, if at all.
But can we just use it like we use the 1st gear and gear 2 connected via Bluetooth?
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I know the 6P won't be sold through the carriers, at least not right away. I'm a Tmo subscriber and I was a little disappointed at first but buying the phone and paying for it in full is always the best route.
With that being said are you with Tmo? What area of the country are you in? Having issues or are new services going live? Questions about service with past or the new nexus device? Let's keep each other updated with what's going on with our carrier.
I've had just about every nexus phone while on Tmo. I had spotty service for awhile but over the years service has gotten much better for me in the Orlando area. This past year I've seen almost all the 3g towers turn into LTE. I got to use HD voice for the first time on my nexus 6. VOLTE got turned on. Band 12 going live (although not in my area, I've used it in other FL markets) Going forward to the 6P are we going lose some of these? I've already seen a report that band 12 will not be unlocked at launch for our device. Will volte be available? HD voice? None of these are deal breakers but it would suck to have such a cutting edge device yet it can't access some basic phone functions. What are your thoughts/insight?
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when they see that sales are going down they will be dropping the price and eipin the phone just take a couple months
But i dont want to wait that long.. Ive saved my Jump and wanted the newest nexus again... Damn you
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But i dont want to wait that long.. Ive saved my Jump and wanted the newest nexus again... Damn you
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why even bother with the jump program? buy phone outright and sell old phone. no restrictions, change phones whenever you want and probably cheaper.
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why even bother with the jump program? buy phone outright and sell old phone. no restrictions, change phones whenever you want and probably cheaper.
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I'm not a fan of jump either however not everyone can afford the full price, some people are fortunate to be able to.
I guess it's kinda like leasing your car but of course a way lower price.
I love buying unlocked phones and now that tmobiles prices are so low it really works out
Even with the jump program you are paying full price for the phone. It just gives you the option to trade in without worrying about negative equity, like a car. But I guarantee you the first time you buy a new car cash you'll set yourself up for life to never have a car payment again, this is so much easier to do with a phone... So much easier.
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Even with the jump program you are paying full price for the phone. It just gives you the option to trade in without worrying about negative equity, like a car. But I guarantee you the first time you buy a new car cash you'll set yourself up for life to never have a car payment again, this is so much easier to do with a phone... So much easier.
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I think most people who get the jump program get it because they can't afford to pay the full price up front, even if they are paying the same in the end or maybe sometimes you pay more for a device when you could've gotten an unlocked device (same or better) for cheaper
I actually began my Nexus 6 purchase through finance. I figured hey, it's 0% who cares. I started to think of bills and life from a more DTI based perspective vs my older, borrow at low or no interest and invest to get more mindset.
Once you start paying off everything with a payment (no matter how low the interest) you start to have so much excess cash monthly that you realize WTF you've been doing wrong your whole life. It also makes it a lot easier to save and invest.
Anyway back on topic, I don't think carriers will be getting the 6P. But if anyone did, it would probably be T-Mobile
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if anyone did, it would probably be T-Mobile
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Since the thing will not be supporting band 12 on t-mobile, at least not right away, I'd think not.
Edit: Hah! Soon!
https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/3mzygu/google_nexus_team_ama_working_to_get_band_12/
Why pay full price for the phone? I have the original Jump program. So i pay $27/Month. In one year I paid $324 and traded the phone in for the next Nexus. I didnt have to shell out the full $650. I dont know but it works fine for me. Only phone i care about are the nexus devices. Its a Big deal when i can simply walk into the store hand them my old phone keep all my Chargers and accessories and walk out with a new phone paying only taxes..
I just pre-ordered one and I feel that Jump may not offer a good deal. I've been hearing a lot about Google Fi so that does seem like a better option overall. Also, you would lose out on the $50 play credit and three months of free Google Play Music unless you get it before Oct 25. I'll be using mine for T-Mobile and I'd only hold on ordering to look over reviews, but it's a Nexus device so it should be pretty solid. I agree with many in here that not everyone can pay full price, but with Jump you are still paying quite a bit of money. It's just better to buy it up front then sell the old phone after.
One of the things mentioned in the Reddit AMA today was they're attempting to work with TMobile on getting the Band 12 turned on prior to the device getting to everyone. So at least they're acknowledging the issue.
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They're not selling the Nexus 6P in U.S. carrier stores... So we don't have the option to use Jump! or Jump! On Demand. I have a Galaxy S6 on Jump! On Demand that I'm a few months into... I purchased a 6P outright and will use 1 of my 3 upgrades w/ T-Moible to go w/ something else, and not pay a dime at the store. I switch phones a TON so for me Jump! On Demand is awesome. I will say though, once I am done with this current EIP, I will try to stay with unlocked phones and just pay outright for them. My monthly bill will be a lot cheaper.
As far as the band 12 support; if they get it fixed by ship date, great. If not, oh well... I don't have access to band 12 where I am (Columbus, Ohio), so I'm not missing anything if they don't have it fixed. I'm sure when/if it gets activated here this will be fixed.
In the Reddit AMA;
They ignored every question about why they are not selling through US Carriers. This was the most commonly asked question.
I'm like thinking, that's one of the most important questions, why will this not be sold in U.S. Carrier stores ? Especially T-Mobile stores, as they have carried and stocked every single Nexus phone the past six years. I could see Verizon or ATT not selling it, but T-Mobile has been a big supporter of the Nexus phones, as far as carriers go.
So the Nexus 6P will be nowhere to be seen or played with in stores, you just have to hope you think you'll like it and order it online only ? That's crazy. I always want to hold it in hand, mess around it with it for 30 minutes in the store, really get a feel for the phone, before deciding.
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In the Reddit AMA;
They ignored every question about why they are not selling through US Carriers. This was the most commonly asked question.
I'm like thinking, that's one of the most important questions, why will this not be sold in U.S. Carrier stores ? Especially T-Mobile stores, as they have carried and stocked every single Nexus phone the past six years. I could see Verizon or ATT not selling it, but T-Mobile has been a big supporter of the Nexus phones, as far as carriers go.
So the Nexus 6P will be nowhere to be seen or played with in stores, you just have to hope you think you'll like it and order it online only ? That's crazy. I always want to hold it in hand, mess around it with it for 30 minutes in the store, really get a feel for the phone, before deciding.
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I'm sure that They will be available at some point. Google has given exclusivity for the first couple months before, this time it's to themselves. Maybe they want to get the preorders out without a disaster like previous releases. On the bright side we get great pricing compared to the rest of the world
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Yeah, Rumor is they could offer them in stores later this month to avoid the instant rush of phone orders. They sell direct first then allow carries to carry a few models if wanted.
That Reddit AMA was filled with tons of questions asking about U.S. Carrier availability, and they didn't respond once.
Wonder if that got them thinking, hey maybe we should put this out to T-Mobile and other carriers maybe ? I could see that happening after the rush of Play Store orders, and be in stores come December. I bet T-Mobile at least carries it by Christmas, just my guess.
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That Reddit AMA was filled with tons of questions asking about U.S. Carrier availability, and they didn't respond once.
Wonder if that got them thinking, hey maybe we should put this out to T-Mobile and other carriers maybe ? I could see that happening after the rush of Play Store orders, and be in stores come December. I bet T-Mobile at least carries it by Christmas, just my guess.
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I'm wondering if part of the reason is so they can say see how many devices we sold without you, you're not getting customized builds this time.
If they announce carrier availability it would just eat into their own direct sales.
I'd be shocked if this doesn't ultimately get on carriers in a quarter or so.
I'm still upset no Nexus 6P at U.S. Carrier stores, especially T-Mobile.
And I call BS on Google's excuse, that they want full control and no carrier slow downs no carrier involvement mucking things up.
Apple
Carriers don't get in the way of Apple and iOS updates. A Verizon or ATT iPhone 6S get's updated straight from Apple, you don't see Verizon users waiting longer for the iOS update, than an international iPhone user, or Apple having to give the update to ATT first and then let them, hand out the update later to it's customers.
Nope, if you have a Sprint, or T-Mobile, or Verizon iPhone, you just go to iTunes or Apple for the update, and they have the update available at the exact the same time, no matter which carrier phone you own.
My point is, carriers aren't in the way whatsoever, and Apple sells a **** ton of iPhone's through these carriers. How many sales of iPhone's are done directly through the Apple store and site only, like Google wants people to buy the Nexus 6P through the Play Store only ?
Google should sell the Nexus 6P at U.S. Carrier stores, and not give the BS excuse it's because of updates or some crap.
Can you believe people trying to get 40-100% markup on these on eBay?
People outside the U.S. that can't get them locally, I'd gather.
Talk about exploiting a situation..... SMH!
I remember Cabbage Patch Kids. Gouging has been happening for a while now, regardless of the product. If its in demand, someone will price gouge.
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Can you believe people trying to get 40-100% markup on these on eBay?
People outside the U.S. that can't get them locally, I'd gather.
Talk about exploiting a situation..... SMH!
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Is this your first time buying a smartphone? What you talk about, happenes everytime a new smartphone comes out.
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It may also just be that people with money want things and can afford it.
It may not make sense to you... But for the guy who is making 5 times what you do.... Paying double still feels like less, and time is money, why **** around?
I saw those $1000 for a 32gb one... Who woudl buy that? Its almost worse than iPhone people
You call it gouging, I call it supply and demand or capitalism.
They have every right to ask whatever they want for things they sell - more power to them if they can get someone to actually pay it.
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JasonJoel said:
You call it gouging, I call it supply and demand or capitalism.
They have every right to ask whatever they want for things they sell - more power to them if they can get someone to actually pay it.
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Its not sold out so no that wouldn't work here. You can still buy it directly from google right now therefore it's not a supply/demand thing because the supply is there.
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Its not sold out so no that wouldn't work here. You can still buy it directly from google right now therefore it's not a supply/demand thing because the supply is there.
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Except that it's apparently not available in some countries yet. Someone in Argentina I think it was complained about not being able to get one for a while, if ever. And if it DID become available, the price would be greatly increased.
So...it sucks because they're getting price gouged even more, but at least it's available...personally, I wouldn't increase the price by more than, I dunno, $50 or so to cover my minimal time and effort? But that's just me.
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Except that it's apparently not available in some countries yet. Someone in Argentina I think it was complained about not being able to get one for a while, if ever. And if it DID become available, the price would be greatly increased.
So...it sucks because they're getting price gouged even more, but at least it's available...personally, I wouldn't increase the price by more than, I dunno, $50 or so to cover my minimal time and effort? But that's just me.
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Yes but not state side or in one of the launch countries. I find it hard to fathom someone paying that much for a 32gb but then again some people don't care.
I am not from the U.S. and I bought the Nexus 5, Nexus 6 , Nexus 7 2012 and Nexus 9 from Google US Play store.
Now I pre ordered the Nexus 6P ?
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Supply and Demand, I'm not surprised at all.
Also not saying it's right, but it is a free economy, but shame on Google for only releasing it in certain area's.
EBay has always had a few ripoffs Sellers after Nexus launches...
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Supply and Demand, I'm not surprised at all.
Also not saying it's right, but it is a free economy, but shame on Google for only releasing it in certain area's.
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There is plenty of supply this time, because you can still buy any of the eight configuration from Google store. It is crooks trying to trap uninformed people.
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Not supply and demand. There is plenty of supply this time, because you can still by any of the configuration from Google store of from Huawei. It is crooks trying to trap uninformed people.
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No, it's supply and demand. The supply in the US is plentiful, but it is not in other areas.
Also, for the instance of someone buying one in the US, that I'm sure you'll bring up, it is still supply and demand. The person selling is assuming they will have their pre-ordered device before a regular person will be able to pick one up in a store. So they are going to sell it to the person who really really wants it but didn't get a pre-order in early enough. If the person buying is willing to pay that high of an amount to get a phone a little early, then the demand has been created, and the seller is fulfilling that demand with their supply.
For example I pulled this off a $1,000 ebay listing.
"This pre-order item was ordered from Google early on the onsale date, and is expected arrive at my address November 4th - November 6th. I will immediately ship it upon receipt to the purchaser of this auction. In the unforeseen event of Google being unable to deliver the phone to me by November 11th, a full refund of the purchase price will be offered to the purchaser. "
That bolded part right there, would technically get to ME before my pre-order which quoted me Nov. 10-12, so the people who got in early, are banking on others wanting this thing yesterday, and they might be willing to pay.
With that said, are the people selling them for $1000 crooks, no, they have the right to do whatever they want with it, once they own it. However anyone who buys it for that price is a moron.
What ever happen to opportunist capitalism?
The value of the item is worth what someone will pay for it. If they can get it, kudos to them. If not, no one will buy it from them and the eBay auction will be back to MSRP. The buyer is fronting the cost of the good in hopes they can sell it for cost + eBay fees. I see nothing wrong with asking for the moon and settling on a tidy 10 or 15 percent profit.
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I am not from the U.S. and I bought the Nexus 5, Nexus 6 , Nexus 7 2012 and Nexus 9 from Google US Play store.
Now I pre ordered the Nexus 6P ?
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Somebody give this man a cookie...
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Not sure i see an issue with it . People that have money will pay for what they want for what ever reason, weather its something they cant get in there county/ location or there is a supply issue and someone has it wants to take advantage of the situation to make extra money. no one is forcing anyone to pay those prices.
I wouldn't pay those prices for something i would just wait to find it cheaper lol
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What ever happen to opportunist capitalism?
The value of the item is worth what someone will pay for it. If they can get it, kudos to them. If not, no one will buy it from them and the eBay auction will be back to MSRP. The buyer is fronting the cost of the good in hopes they can sell it for cost + eBay fees. I see nothing wrong with asking for the moon and settling on a tidy 10 or 15 percent profit.
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You nailed it in way less words than me, :good::good:
The gold one is what I'm looking for.... I expect to pay a premium since it isn't available in the US...
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With that said, are the people selling them for $1000 crooks, no, they have the right to do whatever they want with it, once they own it. However anyone who buys it for that price is a moron.
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THIS +1