Guys,
love the new Z5C, have it in my hand since yesterday. When i checked the storage, the internal 32gb gets eaten by a pretty big chunk by "Android(TM) System" with 9.42gb in size..
Is that really normal? Isnt the OS supposed to take around 2-3gb, not almost 10gb?
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Is there some kind of partition in the 64GB Data that will not allow me to use the full 64GB for Apps ?, how much of the 64GB is left ?, after Android and System apps are configured, meaning after the first boot?, thanks
As I recall, there was only about 55 GB and some change available for storage on my 64 GB One before I started putting my stuff on it. Some of that space is taken up by Android and Sense and the rest with Google Apps and AT&T's crapware. About the same percentage was on my One X when I has it and even a Nexus has some taken up, (but a smaller percentage of) it's storage taken up by system apps so that's just par for the course. Think of it like a "C:" drive on your computer - it may be advertised as 1 Terabyte, but you know that the OS is on there at least so you're never going to see that whole amount usable by you.
I store lots of music and pictures on mine plus some high memory games (Dead Trigger, Contract Killer 2) and I still have 25 GB left so I'm not bothered at all by the fact that some of the memory is used for the system.
Hi to all you knowledgeable people. Some assistance and general clarification would be great on this, please.
The story starts with my wife's phone. I don't think that the model etc is important for this question, but it is an LG F60 (or something like that) and it is nearly new. The phone only has 4GB of memory so I made sure that I bought a good size SD card to go with it and I have set the OS to use the card for all media files. This seem to be working as all photos and music etc. are on the SD and there is nothing memory hungry on the internal mem. She has had the unit for a week or so and added perhaps 3 apps + those that were there as part of the out of the box config and now the thing is full - really! So I have a look at the memory usage and see - total 4GB - some apps and some bits and bobs 1.4GB - 'other' 2.44GB. When you drill down 'other' is almost all something called ‘system data’. So the first and simple question is this - does the android OS really need ~2.5 GB out of the box with little use, or have we done something wrong / ill advised? [BTW there are no backups locally, they are remote through a google account]
I connected the device to the PC to try to diagnose the situation. So the Internal storgae is reporting 60MB free of 1.32GB. This implies that 1.32 is all that we had to play with at all which would point towards the fact that the other 2.44 is correct for the OS. There is a folder called android which has ~25MB of data in it but nothing sizable elsewhere on the viewable internal storage space.
Out of interest I have connected a 7" android tablet to the PC to see if this reports the same sort of usage. This is showing 4.3 free from 5.5 total. This is an 8gb device so again this would suggest that 2.5 is used for system, which supports my initial fears.
If it does take 2.5GB just to provide a UI then is it wise or ethical for manufactures to sell devices with this little memory. Who would have thought that we would be suffering from memory issues in 2014 when a 32GB SD costs the price of a sandwich and a drink. I really am struggling with this whole concept. I mean an Ipad cost a lot of money and yet you have to choose to get the one with 32GB rather than 16GB even though the difference probably costs the company literally pence (if anything) - what is going on? My son had to remove loads of things from his ipad to even update the OS to the latest version - it just all seems soooo very crazy to me. With 4GB memory these phones are coming to the market and they are barely fit for purpose. You can buy a laptop these days (for not too much, a few hundred at most) and basically you can just sit and chuck data at it for years before you have any storage problem. Yes - I do understand the dif between a hard disk and RAM (it is called something else now I guess), but even so, these whole tablet industry is seriously flawed by this design limitation IMO. To add to this fact that it is made difficult to transfer data to and from ipads (less so android I realise) and they don't have an expansion slot, their popularity seems a fantastic mystery to me.
Anyway rant over - can somebody help me to understand the phone issue and how I might go about moving the OS onto the card or something of that kind which might improve the situ.
Thanks,
I have the same problem with this phone.
Hello
I am using Nexus 7 2013 for a year now and I was thinking of replacing it. The other tablet I am looking for is Samsung Galaxy S 8.4 WiFi.
I mostly use my tablet for reading my coursebooks in pdf via moon+ Reader , Browsing, Movies and little gaming.
How is the development on this tablet going so far ?
Overall, would you recommend it ?
Secondly what is the available memory of 16Gb to the user ? 11.6GB or Something ?
Cheers
Hnk1 said:
Hello
I am using Nexus 7 2013 for a year now and I was thinking of replacing it. The other tablet I am looking for is Samsung Galaxy S 8.4 WiFi.
I mostly use my tablet for reading my coursebooks in pdf via moon+ Reader , Browsing, Movies and little gaming.
How is the development on this tablet going so far ?
Overall, would you recommend it ?
Secondly what is the available memory of 16Gb to the user ? 11.6GB or Something ?
Cheers
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Around 12GB of free memory when you get it. I would recommend at least 32GB SD Card for it and the Lollipop version has a built it app2sd or just use link2sd like I do.
The tablet is very very very thin, compact and light. It will do everything you can throw at it the snapdragon 801 is no slouch. I've been very surprised on how well the shatter proof glass Sony makes too. So durable and scratch resistant!
Development is lacking due to the lack of popularity because Sony makes the devices expensive and hard to get. I bought my Xperia Z3 Tab Compact for $600 off eBay just after Christmas.
I'd say choose the Sony over the Galaxy because I honestly don't like Samsung. That's my personal opinion though.
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Tw1tchy said:
Around 12GB of free memory when you get it. I would recommend at least 32GB SD Card for it and the Lollipop version has a built it app2sd or just use link2sd like I do.
The tablet is very very very thin, compact and light. It will do everything you can throw at it the snapdragon 801 is no slouch. I've been very surprised on how well the shatter proof glass Sony makes too. So durable and scratch resistant!
Development is lacking due to the lack of popularity because Sony makes the devices expensive and hard to get. I bought my Xperia Z3 Tab Compact for $600 off eBay just after Christmas.
I'd say choose the Sony over the Galaxy because I honestly don't like Samsung. That's my personal opinion though.
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Cheers mate for summing it up for me !
I also do not like Samsung for many reasons as well, like regionally locked, less development friendly and especially its UI (Touch wiz) which just lags on lower- middle end devices.
I'm divided between getting a new Nexus (the one that'd be released or just get this device )
It's one sale in the UK till may so I think I still have time to grab it for 400$(£269) on John Lewis.
Usually in May- June we see a new nexus tablet but there haven't been any leaks so doesn't seem like one in the making as of yet!
Sony makes it durable and is quite something but I simply hate their SLOW updates and little support in regard to upgrade their devices. Their software department has been really poor!
Another question on my mind is, is the 12 GB memory divided by any means . like internal and Sdcard0 with an option to expand via sdcard which would be sdcard1?
Hnk1 said:
Cheers mate for summing it up for me !
I also do not like Samsung for many reasons as well, like regionally locked, less development friendly and especially its UI (Touch wiz) which just lags on lower- middle end devices.
I'm divided between getting a new Nexus (the one that'd be released or just get this device )
It's one sale in the UK till may so I think I still have time to grab it for 400$(£269) on John Lewis.
Usually in May- June we see a new nexus tablet but there haven't been any leaks so doesn't seem like one in the making as of yet!
Sony makes it durable and is quite something but I simply hate their SLOW updates and little support in regard to upgrade their devices. Their software department has been really poor!
Another question on my mind is, is the 12 GB memory divided by any means . like internal and Sdcard0 with an option to expand via sdcard which would be sdcard1?
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Looks like this in the picture. I'd say 400$ is a good deal. Is it the WiFi or lte model?
Sorry picture didn't work. You have sdcard, sdcard1 and USBdisc.
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Looks like this in the picture. I'd say 400$ is a good deal. Is it the WiFi or lte model?
Sorry picture didn't work. You have sdcard, sdcard1 and USBdisc.
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Yes , it is a WiFi version only with 16gb. 32 is 460$ and LTE version a bit more expensive.
So basically Sony has divided the 16 GB into three parts. This is what im guessing ! One for system (OS /ROM) which is around 1-1.5 GB. This is not shown in settings or via an app. You can find out if you are a developer.
Then there's internal memory on which applications are installed . This is usually 2 GB and lastly there's sdcard which is 12gb as you said before.
The memory can be expanded via sdcard1 (micro SD card) or using a USB via OTG support.
So basically there should be two internal memories. One would be called sdcard0(also internal memory in settings) and other internal memory.
Many thanks once again and I'm attaching my pictures to clarify the points I made.
The device I'm currently using has 1.57 internal and 4gb sdcard0 (called internal again in settings but sdcard0 in file explorer) and 32 GB microsd card (called external /sdcard1 )
So can you please tell me the size for internal memory as well. Not sdcard0 which you have already at 16 GB.
Hnk1 said:
Yes , it is a WiFi version only with 16gb. 32 is 460$ and LTE version a bit more expensive.
So basically Sony has divided the 16 GB into three parts. This is what im guessing ! One for system (OS /ROM) which is around 1-1.5 GB. This is not shown in settings or via an app. You can find out if you are a developer.
Then there's internal memory on which applications are installed . This is usually 2 GB and lastly there's sdcard which is 12gb as you said before.
The memory can be expanded via sdcard1 (micro SD card) or using a USB via OTG support.
So basically there should be two internal memories. One would be called sdcard0(also internal memory in settings) and other internal memory.
Many thanks once again and I'm attaching my pictures to clarify the points I made.
The device I'm currently using has 1.57 internal and 4gb sdcard0 (called internal again in settings but sdcard0 in file explorer) and 32 GB microsd card (called external /sdcard1 )
So can you please tell me the size for internal memory as well. Not sdcard0 which you have already at 16 GB.
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Here's the screenshots i was trying to post. Internal is mounted to sdcard0, sdcard is mounted to sdcard1 and usbotg is mounted to usbdisk. I have a hidden 8GB EXT4 partition and swap partition on my sdcard because I prefer it that way. If your not going to root just set up your camera to save to sdcard, and move all your large data to sdcard. Its what I did with Lollipop before it had root.
Keep on seeing youtube different hands on reports. Some say its 16gb internal storage, others claim 32gb. Its advertised as 32 in clove.
White paper says 32GB I believe.
Correct 32GB it is, at least on mine
The white paper also states only 21gb is available to the user while over 10gb is reserved for firmware and system data, contrary to other information on sony's own website claiming 27gb is available. So what do we believe until it is in our hands?
Yeah, does any1 know way sistem is so big on z5c...9,45gb?! I had z3c and system was half of that.
Proday said:
Yeah, does any1 know way sistem is so big on z5c...9,45gb?! I had z3c and system was half of that.
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Oh my that's a lotta storage taken by the OS
As you can see on picture, total space 32.00gb
Stuck on the fence between the two options. Storage space isn't as compelling to me as I already have an SD card for expanded storage.
What's everyone's thoughts? Worth the extra cost for 33% more RAM?
Save your $
with the price drops at best buy it was only 30 dollars difference so I opted to return the 128gb model and get the 256.
The biggest issue on an external memory is: to slow, not all things can moved on the SD Card. Internal less memory let lost the fun of the tablet. Thats my experience of the last years. About this one I move to the 256G part
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The biggest issue on an external memory is: to slow, not all things can moved on the SD Card. Internal less memory let lost the fun of the tablet. Thats my experience of the last years. About this one I move to the 256G part
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you need to buy cards marked U3, not U1 that guarantees minimum 30MB/s(240mbps) write speed. That's what I buy for shooting 4k 60ps drone footage which tops 120mbps. They are still not as fast as internal storage, but for movies and other data files they are great.
The card is only the half way. You can used the fastest card of the World, if the interface to the card id slow. The tranferrate to and from the SDCard ist one of the negative point of the galaxy tab S7 in the technical reviews (Could be better for this device)
You can compare this with a SSD on a SATA2 .The SSD could be faster , but the tx/rx rate from the hardware is not faster and brake the performance
abso-smurfly worth the cost if you do heavy video or into multitasking and using DEX. if you do lite email and occasional gaming, its not worth it. but im a power user and the extra 100 dollars was pocket change for me to gain that extra ram.
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The card is only the half way. You can used the fastest card of the World, if the interface to the card id slow. The tranferrate to and from the SDCard ist one of the negative point of the galaxy tab S7 in the technical reviews (Could be better for this device)
You can compare this with a SSD on a SATA2 .The SSD could be faster , but the tx/rx rate from the hardware is not faster and brake the performance
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well running benchmark U1 vs U3 I'm getting 90/70MBs(u3) vs 70/40MBs(u1). Which is close to the quoted max rate on the card. Now that's nothing compared to internal storage which I'm guessing is true SSD which tests out at nearly 1GBs, which definitely makes the extra 128gb + 2 GB of RAM a great deal for 30 dollars.
Still the U3 card is a solid performance boost.
Thanks everyone for the input, appreciate it.
Considering the price difference isn't that much, I decided to go big.
One thing I'm a bit bummed about is that the 256GB model only has one color option - I realize it's just cosmetic but I would have liked the mystic silver option. I'm just limited to the black option.
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One thing I'm a bit bummed about is that the 256GB model only has one color option - I realize it's just cosmetic but I would have liked the mystic silver option. I'm just limited to the black option.
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Hm, what area of the world are you ordering from? Here in the US, the 256 GB model is available in silver. I have one, and it's also showing as available in Samsung's store.
In Germany the 256G version are in black, silver and bronze available
After a week, I'm glad I went with the upgrade. Ended up paying 700 even for the 7+ and got 50$ GC on the side and the speed of the internal storage is amazing. Add to that the extra RAM. I like Black
If you're asking about RAM - don't worry. 6 GB is plenty on the tablet. I was worried at first too but after having 6 tabs open on Chrome, YouTube vanced in picture-in-picture mode, and Microsoft Word open - there were no delays or lag. Ymmv, but I don't have any issues.
That being said, if the difference in price is about 30-50$ I'd consider it. The added RAM makes it more future proof and if you don't need a MicroSD card with the added base storage, then you come out on top since the external storage just isn't as fast.