After having the Moto 2nd gen for a day I'm pleasantly surprised at the battery life. On my 1st gen Moto I usually got just under 10 hours of battery with the ambient mode on. My 2nd gen has been on for over 20 hours and the battery is down to 46%. The screen has been on the whole time except from midnight until I put it back on this morning. This may be a new feature whereby the Moto can detect if it is being actively worn or just lying on a desk at night.
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After having the Moto 2nd gen for a day I'm pleasantly surprised at the battery life. On my 1st gen Moto I usually got just under 10 hours of battery with the ambient mode on. My 2nd gen has been on for over 20 hours and the battery is down to 46%. The screen has been on the whole time except from midnight until I put it back on this morning. This may be a new feature whereby the Moto can detect if it is being actively worn or just lying on a desk at night.
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Overall battery life has been stellar on my 42mm Gen2. My only issue with it is that at or shortly after it hits 15% it shuts down automatically and won't turn back on till it's charged up for a couple minutes. basically I don't get the last 15% of the battery. I exchanged my first unit and this one does the same thing. I've had it for 4 days now, and going through a few full charge cycles hasnt changed anything.
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Overall battery life has been stellar on my 42mm Gen2. My only issue with it is that at or shortly after it hits 15% it shuts down automatically and won't turn back on till it's charged up for a couple minutes. basically I don't get the last 15% of the battery. I exchanged my first unit and this one does the same thing. I've had it for 4 days now, and going through a few full charge cycles hasnt changed anything.
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Strange. My unit definitely doesn't do this.
I've not had a smartwatch before so the rate of decrease is a little alarming for me. I can still get through a day no problem though - perhaps I could even stretch it to two if it's fully charged in the morning.
What disappoints me is the speed with which it recharges. Since the battery is tiny, I assumed it would recharge within an hour. Instead it seems to charge slower than my HTC One M7, which is notorious for being the slowest charging phone of all time.
Never owned smartwach, impressed by battery life
I bought the 46 and for 3 full days never ran out of battery and and 20 to 30% left at bedtime, ambient on wrist gestures off.. i am playing with it like mad so it will even get better i assume.. but loving it
Only on my first day, but so far battery is far superior to original Moto 360 and even rivals my LG G watch R performance. With ambient on, and moderate use (emails/text/weather) I am seeing 3% battery drain per hour (8.5 hours use with 74% remaining).
I will give a more thorough update once I have spend a few days with it.
Odd my 46mm is at 22% and it has been about 12 hours. Seems a bit short compared to what you guys are getting. Granted I have all the features turned on (ambient display, gestures, etc) It is my first full day with the watch. I'll see how well it does tomorrow maybe just the first drain needs to calibrate the battery.
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I don't have a graph for it but having it on from 10 to 10 (12 hours) mine went 100 to 71% surprised the hell outa me considering the day before was 80 to 30% in about 4-5 hours granted that was with setup and fiddling with apps and whatnot. If it didn't make such a damn nice little nightstand clock I'd have just left it sitting for the night. This is with ambient on gestures on wifi auto and all the heart monitor junk off on the 46mm model.
I got 44 hours out of mine yesterday with ambient on and gestures off. I'm still observing the screen going off if the watch is just lying around somewhere. Funnily nobody else seems to be mentioning this.
How did you turn off the heart monitor stuff? I didn't see any options for this either in fit or moto body. Even checked the android wear app and the connect app. I do see it is checking heart rate at least once an hour or more at times, and just checked it and found it checking every 5 minutes now.
Want bad the other day checking every hour still got 2 days use, but noticed it last night and today when the battery was only going max a day.
Day 2 of battery. About 12 hours and it is at 38%. Ambient and gestures on. Curious as to what you guys are doing for substantially better battery life. I am going to try turning off ambient tomorrow.
i think it would be better if you mentioned the model you have since the battery is bigger in the 46mm model
I have a 46mm Moto (400mah battery). I use 3rd party watchfaces and run ambient (always on), auto brightness, and receive approx 40 emails and a dozen text messages in a normal day. I don't use tilt to wake as I can always see the watchface in ambient, and wifi is off. I pulled off the charger this morning at 7:15am and now at 11:30pm I am at 47% approx 3.6% drain per hour. Have had the watch now for 4 days. This rivals the performance I get out of my LG G watch R. Must say I am very happy with battery life so far.
Can anyone with a 42mm tell me how the battery is with ambient off and gestures on?
Wow, I have had the 46mm watch for two days and both days it had died by 1pm after pulling it from the charger a 3am, not even close to 12 hrs
I do use it with endomondo for about an hour in the morning but still, have ambient turned off. Guess I'll try turning off the gestures and see if it might last a day.
My best day with the 46mm was the day before yesterday. Took it off the charger around 9AM on Monday. Put it back on charge around 9PM on Tuesday. Ambient On, Gestrues and WiFi off. Still had about 20% left but had to charge it for the next day. BTW my 46mm Moto 2 charges just fine with the first gen charger.
My batter life goes from horrible to ok for no reason.
Last night my watch hit 100%charge at around 1am. I took it off the charger and set it on the table. I just over 4.5 hours it was under 25%. Using Wear Battery Stats I see no app activity, and the screen states watch is "Off".
I charge it back up when I got up to 52% before I went out on a 1+ hour workout using endomondo, listening to audible. Both applications were showing on the watch when I check (distance for endomondo and play controls for audible). This only took it down 9%.
This makes no sense.
Think I need to contact customer support or just return it as defective?
Thanks
I have heard that lithium batteries have the best life span if you don't let them discharge too far. For example, a battery put on the charger more frequently - say 50% - will last longer than one where you wait unil 20%.
This comes from the RC helicopter community where they monitor battery life and performance pretty closely. I'm wondering if anyone knows data about this with watches?
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I have heard that lithium batteries have the best life span if you don't let them discharge too far. For example, a battery put on the charger more frequently - say 50% - will last longer than one where you wait unil 20%.
This comes from the RC helicopter community where they monitor battery life and performance pretty closely. I'm wondering if anyone knows data about this with watches?
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What you mention is a good guideline for maximizing battery life. Linked below is a great article I commonly come back to and share out to others regarding lithium battery life.
The advice I usually give is to "fully" discharge the battery once per initial setup or factory reset, and then fully charge it overnight. This will give the OS a good handle on the upper and lower charge parameters to properly report available battery percentage. Most of the onboard controllers for batteries keep them from getting too close to fully charged or discharged, so regardless of what's being reported to the user. The user only needs to be concerned with this middle area they have to play with since they'll never see the "full" capacity of the battery. but even though we never see the "full" 300mah or 400mah, we see the same middle area of each, so from a comparative standpoint these numbers are still valid to extrapolate relative available capacity. if that makes any sense.
Anyways, the short version is that most smart devices already manage the charge cycle pretty well since most smart device users are just dumb users. So if we calibrate the batteries we use with a full charge and discharge cycle, then just use the devices like dumb users, we're probably just fine.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Interesting article, and accompanying links. I believe they are saying the same thing as the RC helicopter folks - don't overly discharge, do frequently recharge:
Similar to a mechanical device that wears out faster with heavy use, so also does the depth of discharge (DoD) determine the cycle count. The shorter the discharge (low DoD), the longer the battery will last. If at all possible, avoid full discharges and charge the battery more often between uses.
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It's fun to see "how long you can go" without recharging, but it might not be the best practice.
Hello guys,
I'm willing to buy the 46mm. We always talk about autonomy of smartwatch but I'd be interested to understand what affects the battery of the smartphone in% after a full day always connected Bluetooth?
I have a Note4 but I would not lose too much autonomy.
Thank you in advance
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I know this is a long read, please bare with me, as I not only am reviewing the Yoobao battery but also, providing some information on batteries in general and how the G1 battery works (read post 11).
A few days ago I got a Yoobao 2400MAH battery on ebay for $25 shipped. Here's my little review so far after a few days of use.
Background: I'm an avid RC flyer. I own electric powered and gas powered planes and have done a lot of work with Lipo and Li-ion batteries and have applied the same things I've learned from there to any and all batteries.
Few things I've learned is never let a battery drain to it's bare minimum. I've read numerous times that one should let the battery die all the way and charge it all the way and let it die again. For Lipo and Li-On, 80-90% drain is ideal before recharging again. I'll continue with this later. This does not apply to the G1 though, just a general pointer. Read post 11 to see why this does not apply to G1.
Now on to the battery.
The battery comes with the the extended cover. Which has a nice rubbery feel to it.
The battery came with the charge at 70%, which is nominal for shipping and storage. i got it and plugged it in and charged to to max. I then used it through out the day and right off the bat, it was performing wonderfully. By the end of the day, I still had 60% power left, when normally, I would have drained the stock battery by now. I did not charge the battery that night (Monday night) and by morning still have 50% charge. I charged it when it was down to about 15%, a full charge took about 2.2 hours. Which sounds about right, assuming the wall charger was providing 1Amp constant, the 2.2 hours of charge time equates to about 2200Mah of charge.
From a full charge, I've watched a 2 hour long movie, gtalked, SMSed and it has drained about 40% (60% remaining).
It is typically offering twice the length then my stock battery was, Though I've had it 3 days, I will continually update this thread.
i do have the tools and equipment to measure the charge this batter takes in So I will do that tonight and report my findings. I plan to drain the battery to 15% and charge with my digital charger and see how many MAH it takes in. I expect it to take in minimum 2000mah at 85% discharge.
So far, I give it a thumbs up especially at $25.
My brother has the seido 2600. I will test that as well.
Pointers:
Conditioning the Li-on battery by draining it to 0% and recharging and then draining to 0% is rather harmful to the battery. Lipo and Li-on cells do like going below 3.0-3.2V. The Nominal Voltage of the cell is 3.7V, a fully charged cell is at 4.2V-4.25V or so. Dropping it below 3.0V cause more harm to the battery then good. (Again this does not apply to G1)
Try to avoid draining the battery all the way if you are not able to charge it. Most phones have a cut off point, and my guess is for the G1 battery, it's 3.2V, or I hope it is (actually, it's 3.5V as you will read about it in post 11). But you use the phone to where it cuts of, and are not able to charge the batter for a few days, then that could drop the voltage to below 3.0 (over time). I've seen people do this when they use multiple batteries, and end up killing all of them because they let them sit while fully discharged. Big no no with Li-ons.
LI-on doesn't suffer from memory loss , charge them whenever possible. They do how ever become uncalibrated. Meaning if you constantly plug it in at random discharges (which is perfectly fine), the state of charge may differ from the actual charge gauge. Simple problem to resolve, Drain the battery too 3.2V ( I will post if draining the battery on the g1 to 0% is 3.2V or not) and fully recharge.
More numbers on the Yoobao, Seido and stock batter later.
Thanks for the info. I was a little taken aback when I read about this "drain it all the way" advice too. I just got my g1 and I'm still on the stock battery. I'm curious to know what you find.
Thanks for posting.
Very good review man. I hope this one doesn't get merged with that big o battery thread. This one actually has information coming from someone that knows their stuff.
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cool, link to product?
Next time please post in the correct forum. Thank you.
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Next time please post in the correct forum. Thank you.
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wouldn't this count as the correct forum, as the battery that was reviewed was a dream accessory?
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wouldn't this count as the correct forum, as the battery that was reviewed was a dream accessory?
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I moved it here, and placed that warning.
Sorry about that, I totally overlooked the accessories section . I was wondering why no one was replying lol.
Anyways, I still can't do the test because I'm waiting for the battery to die! I charged it yesterday morning, Since then I have turned t he brightness at 75%, been using it at the gym, browsing the web, and was on the phone yesterday for atleast 2 hours and was on gtalk last night for a about an hour. Then left the phone on all last night (though in standby).
I do have wi-fi and GPS OFF as I don't use it, it is working 3G.
Currently I'm at 46% so Still waiting for the thing to go down to 15%. Maybe I can finally drain it down today and test it tonight.
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Sorry about that, I totally overlooked the accessories section . I was wondering why no one was replying lol.
Anyways, I still can't do the test because I'm waiting for the battery to die! I charged it yesterday morning, Since then I have turned t he brightness at 75%, been using it at the gym, browsing the web, and was on the phone yesterday for atleast 2 hours and was on gtalk last night for a about an hour. Then left the phone on all last night (though in standby).
I do have wi-fi and GPS OFF as I don't use it, it is working 3G.
Currently I'm at 46% so Still waiting for the thing to go down to 15%. Maybe I can finally drain it down today and test it tonight.
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That's the first time I'm hearing about someone waiting for their battery to die Good review
very good review .im glad your reviewing the 2400 and hope fully 2600. i am getting ready to buy one or the other ,i know the is a big price diff. between them.cant wait till ya update this thread
Alright so Last night I finally got the battery down to 9%. I've got some interesting findings.
Few more things I'd like to point out before presenting some numbers.
Background on battery ratings: Batteries are rated in mAH aka Milliamp Hour, or how much power/charge a battery will hold. How is this measured? I won't go into details so will just give a run down version of it. Batteries are rated from their lower cutt-off voltage to the maximum voltage. The lower cut-off voltage for Li-ion and Li-po is 3.0-3.2V (3.2V being ideal).
The mAH rating is the amount of charge that it took to take the battery from 3.2V to 4.2V. In the Li-ion case, the lower cutt-off is 3.2V, the Nominal voltage is 3.7V and the maximum voltage is 4.2. Anything under 3.2V is over draining and anything over 4.2 is overcharging.
Why do I bring up the above? to give you an idea of how these batteries get rated.
Often companies will rate their batteries from a lower cut-off point to have HIGHER CAPACITY RATING. For example, if I Charge a li-ion cell from 3.0V to 4.2V, it will take in extra capacity as opposed to if I charge it from 3.2V to 4.2v, It just looks good on paper and spec sheet. This happens often. same with AA rechargeables, the lower cutt-off range is usually 1.0V but often companies will rate from .9V to achieve higher numbers. You will never see this disclosed on the battery, you'll just see the rating. (It will never say Capacity 1800mAH from .9v) etc.
Again, what's the point? There are a couple of points.
1) The G1 NEVER drains the battery down to 3.2V. It's cut-off point is surprisingly 3.5V. I do not know the specifics, perhaps the G1 cannot operate below 3.5V.
This means that even though the phone is dead, the battery still has some juice in it, just not enough to power the G1 or it may be enough to power the G1 but the power management of G1 is not allowing it.
The stock G1 battery which is rated at 1150 mAH, is only being used down to 3.5V, which means you're only using ABOUT 800-900 mAH of it's capacity before phone shuts off.
2) This Yoobao battery is surprisingly, very well rated. At 9 % power, It was still reading 3.6V. REMEMBER: that's 9% till the 3.5V cut off. The battery was most likely rated at 2400mAH from 3.2V! When I hooked it up to my li-ion charger, I was able to push in roughly 2000mAH. so In other words I rate this battery 2000mAH from 3.6V. Yoobao rated it 2400mAH from likely 3.2V. And I would conclude that the rating is accurate and not over inflated.
CONCLUSION: You will never use the full capacity of the battery just because of the way the G1 is designed. It will always cut off at 3.5V. The good thing about this is you will never over drain your battery, so you can run your G1 to the dead point as many times as you want as you will never go below 3.5V. Nice feature but I'd rather have it go down to 3.2 so I can squeeze that extra power out of the battery (Wonder if this could be software modified).
TWO THUMBS UP!!! to YOOBAO 2400mAH battery. Priced at $25.
Some rough numbers:
Stock 1150mAH : 850-950 useable mAH
2400mAH: 2000-2100 useable mAH
2600mAH: ASSUMED 2200-2350 usebale mAH as I have not test my brothers seido yet.
Any questions, I'm happy to answer them.
*I'm in no way shape or form related to the manufacturer of any batteries, I'm just a regular consumer who bought the extended battery and decided to review it since it's rather a new product.
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Im considering getting this new batttery is the phone a lot thicker in the hand, could yoy post photos ? cheers
i was thinking of getting this for my girlfriend instead of a mugen power one like i have but i just wanted to know about the battery cover this comes with.
my mugen has these little plastic cone things that go to the camera lens and speaker phone to help keep crap from my pockets from getting all the way inside and it helps with speaker sound, so my question is does this battery back have anything like that or is it just hollow or something?
thanks
Some pictures as requested. I would save the two pictures where I'm holding the phone with both hands and just go back and forth on those two just to get a idea of how thicker it got.
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are you still going to test the 2600 battery still or not ? thanks let me know
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are you still going to test the 2600 battery still or not ? thanks let me know
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I will try to get my hands on my brothers battery, he has the 2600. I will have to give him mine. He's deaf and has to have an extended battery so I will do the swap when I see him this week.
Cheers for the photos thats sealed the deal for me, off to ebay to sort one out
i wouldnt try the batt if it come from china...
coz there are alot of problems with batts from china....
i.e. battery explosion
Thanks for the review - best one I've read on here, sounds like a good battery.
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i wouldnt try the batt if it come from china...
coz there are alot of problems with batts from china....
i.e. battery explosion
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You do realize that almost all the batteries come from China, right? It's possible to get decent products from there - just because it's "Made in China" doesn't mean it's automatically crap. Need to read reviews, use common sense, etc for something purchased from anyplace.
Hate bidding. I wish there was a "Buy-It-Now" on this item. It's gonna be kinda cool leaving my home and not having to worry about my phone dying.
Edit: Got outbid on Ebay last night. Battery went for $33. Glad I lost. Just order the same one on Ebay with a buy it now for $19.50. I wonder how long the shipping is from China?
I am wondering whether the charging methods make a difference to battery life?
How do you charge your battery, and also your initial charge from new?
This is the first phone I've had that I didn't leave the initial charge on all night 16 hours initial as recommended by most phone manufacturers, and I just took it off after a few hours when it was charged up. Do you think that affects the performance of the battery? I've never charged it for more than a few hours. The main reason I don't leave it on all night is because it gets really hot, so when it goes green light, it's done for me
Do any of you let it run out past the amber warning colour as a completely flat battery is probably better to charge?
All my other phones were left on charge all night, every night, but they weren't this type of phone.... and in truth, it makes no difference whatsoever to the battery. The Motos also needed charging every day
Stunning work guys, 56 views by people I can only assume own the Hero, and nobody wants to divulge their dirty secrets about battery charging... Thanks anyway
Just look around google for Li-ion recharging, there is plenty of resources to read up on when trying to keep battery life at a maximum.
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Stunning work guys, 56 views by people I can only assume own the Hero, and nobody wants to divulge their dirty secrets about battery charging... Thanks anyway
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probably because the hero is so new that nobody can tell anything about the battery life? and i don't suppose any of the 56 people has two heros and did the experiment of charging one full and the other for 16 hours, only to use them in the same manner afterwards and count battery life... ?
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probably because the hero is so new that nobody can tell anything about the battery life? and i don't suppose any of the 56 people has two heros and did the experiment of charging one full and the other for 16 hours, only to use them in the same manner afterwards and count battery life... ?
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Yeh, that wasn't actually my point, but thanks anyway!
112 now...
I was wondering how many people just got the phone, and charged it 16 hours initially or couple of hours and go, and do they leave on all night despite it getting hot.
Not hard...
You should charge it until it is fully charged but not leave it on charge extensively - excess heat may cause the battery life to reduce (although I wouldn't know how much degradation this would cause). It is probably ok every once in a while to leave it on charge overnight, in theory the phone should have circuits to protect against overcharging it anyway. 2 hours is about right for a charge cycle. You should charge it when the phone advises to do so - 15% or less charge. The Lithium Ion battery will only recharge cycle effectively a minimum of 300 times but I would estimate conservatively that is the number of times you can recharge. 2 days between recharges would give you about 2 years life out of a battery. I recharge it every two days, and charge time is about 2 hours.
Yeh, I have to charge it every day though......... Never lasts longer. I just wondered if you were supposed to do the initial first charge overnight and whether it sets the standard for the length of time you get each day after that?
i guess every hero is different. longest i used my phone without charging is 2 days with moderate use.
before i charge my phone i kill all tasks in the background and clear my browser history. might not make a difference but to me it feels better to have a fresh phone after charge.
Is that with the task killer app, or is there another way?
I can't imagine mine ever lasting 2 days.....
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Is that with the task killer app, or is there another way?
I can't imagine mine ever lasting 2 days.....
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I'm using TaskPanel as a taskiller...
when i got the hero the battery was ~half full. i charged it for about half an hour, but had to stop the charging before it was full.
the battery doesn't last longer than one day, although i play a lot with it (obviously). when i put it to the charger i try to let it charge fully up, and i noticed that the charging is stopped when the battery is full (you see the icon in the not.bar go back to normal green battery, and the phone cools down noticably after charging is completed). concerning this i have no problem to leave it plugged in overnight. checked last night, when NOT plugged in it takes 4% of battery for ~7 hours in airplane mode.
I keep reading that you should try and just charge your phone to 80% to help keep the battery healthy, as going to 100% can shotren the life span of the battery.
How ciritcal is this?
I know letting your phone run down to 0% is bad as it takes a fully clylce then to get back too 100% and this is not good for the battery long ter, but i must confess i usually let my battery get to around 50/60% ish then charge back up to 100%
I've always charged my phones fully and never noticed any issues. Maybe if you plan on keeping a device for 10 years, but for the usual lifetime of a phone it's just fine. My OP7 is 2 and a half years old now and still has 86% battery health. I've seen others in Telegram groups say that they never charge to 100% and when they post their battery health it's not much different from mine, sometimes even less.
I think modern batteries are fine being fully charged ... otherwise the OEMs or battery manufacturers would limit them to 80 or 90% by default.
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I've always charged my phones fully and never noticed any issues. Maybe if you plan on keeping a device for 10 years, but for the usual lifetime of a phone it's just fine. My OP7 is 2 and a half years old now and still has 86% battery health. I've seen others in Telegram groups say that they never charge to 100% and when they post their battery health it's not much different from mine, sometimes even less.
I think modern batteries are fine being fully charged ... otherwise the OEMs or battery manufacturers would limit them to 80 or 90% by default.
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I guess I have some buffer
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I guess I have some buffer
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Hehe yea, I guess they all show 102% then because I have that as well
I like the adaptive charging, set up your bedtime and alarm for getting up (or turning over) After bedtime, phone gets trickle charged to achieve 100% at morning alarm. No excess heat etc. Phone then lasts me all day till bedtime when put on airplane mode, switch off Wi-Fi, & sleep. Works for me.
I'm showing 106%
I always charge to full, using adapting charging over night. Charging slowly and keeping temperature down is more important than keeping it to 80% from my understanding.
I just lay my phone on a slow charge Qi pad every night and when I get up it is at 100%. Nexus 6, Pixel 3, now Pixel 6. Perhaps my battery life went down a bit on my Pixel 3 after 3 years, but not enough to notice. I think 100% charge (at least slow charging) is safe for 3 to 5 years of battery life.
Li's like frequent midrange power cycling; it can extend the lifespan hundreds even thousands more full charge cycles.
Voltage and temperature are the Li's biggest stress factors. Low or high temperature charging can cause Li plating.
The higher the cell voltage, the faster it degrades.
The same is true with temperature.
Personally I just replace them every year or so as a failed Li can severely damage a phone. They tend to swell during a failure which can easily damage the display.
My Samsung S10+ is 27 months old now. I'm charging it to 80% mainly daily. Had maybe max 20 full charges and only once or twice to zero. I'm at 86% battery health (according to 146 sessions). Was 92% six months after buying brand new.
I think it helps. Also since the battery is OK (4100mah), dont need that extra 20%.
EDIT: 15W Samsung "fast" charging. As fast as that is ...
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My Samsung S10+ is 27 months old now. I'm charging it to 80% mainly daily. Had maybe max 20 full charges and only once or twice to zero. I'm at 86% battery health (according to 146 sessions). Was 92% six months after buying brand new.
I think it helps. Also since the battery is OK (4100mah), dont need that extra 20%.
EDIT: 15W Samsung "fast" charging. As fast as that is ...
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A Li is considered degraded when it reaches 80% of it's initial capacity. This signals the end of its useful service life.
Degraded Li's are more likely to fail.
Trust me it's better to replace it before it fails...
I think Better Battery Stats made that reco back in the day.
Charge to 80% and plug in at 10%.
Not so sure that really matters anymore though.
Both my 2 XL and Pixel 5 were plugged in before bed, unplugged when I got up, plugged back in when I hit 10-15% or when I went to bed.
If you plan on keeping your device for a long time (like 3-4 years) doing the unplug at 80% and plug in at 10% might make a diff.
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I think Better Battery Stats made that reco back in the day.
Charge to 80% and plug in at 10%.
Not so sure that really matters anymore though.
Both my 2 XL and Pixel 5 were plugged in before bed, unplugged when I got up, plugged back in when I hit 10-15% or when I went to bed.
If you plan on keeping your device for a long time (like 3-4 years) doing the unplug at 80% and plug in at 10% might make a diff.
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10% is too low. It causes a lot of stress on the battery as it drops below 20% to charge from that starting point or lower.
Worse there's little usable energy after 20% because of the lower voltage. The phone uses the same wattage which is determined by V×A=W, so as the voltage drops it needs more milliamperes to make the same wattage. The discharge rate increases as the cell voltage drops.
A better low cut off is 30-40% or even higher and a high cutoff of 80% although 62% is optimum.
The Li likes frequent midrange power cycling. Charging beyond those parameters is for your convenience at the cost of battery lifespan.
Batteries are cheap and most are easy to replace... so I don't sweat it.
I expect a service life of 1-2 years on a heavily used N10+ battery.
However charging in the 40-72% range yields the most rapid fast charge in the shortest time so it makes sense to use this whenever convenient.
Well, I know things have been updated within Googles code itself.
"Adaptive Charging" / "Adatptive Connectivity" additions.
This was a real big problem for me with my HTC 10, (2016)
Battery degradation threads starting popping up.
I installed Accubattery after 1.5/2 years of owning the device and the battery was degraded to about 77% capacity at that time, IIRC. I was charging to 100% at that time, also.
So, I began charging stricly to 80%.
Compared to my HTC One M8 that to this day still has 90% capacity, and I used that device from the day Verizon released (3/2014) it until the day Verizon released the HTC 10 (5/2016).
I somehow managed to use the HTC 10 up until I bought the Pixel 5 on release day (10/2020).
I was charging the HTC 10 like 3 times a day just get through, and even went back to the HTC One M8 at one point because I had enough, but was waiting for the P5 to drop.
So to answer the question, I do believe it helps.
I do think that Adaptive charging/connectivity help, as well.
I take the view that if I don't need all the capacity on a particular day I charge no higher than 70%, which lands me around 30% end of day. Otherwise I'll guestimate what I need. Off to take some photo's tonight, so will probably charge it to 90% or so.
If you like fiddling around you can use something like Tasker to switch a smart plug that your charger's plugged into on and off at what you consider appropriate battery levels. Makes it all painless once set up. Or you can buy some extra hardware too. I use this in my car to limit the phone's max charge and temperature as, for me, I think most and fastest damage is done in a hot car float charging the phone at 100%.... https://chargie.org/ Not cheap but ok in my mind to hopefully extend the service life of the phone's battery. Less than the cost and hassle of replacing a battery anyway! (I'm not associated with Chargie other than as a customer)
OK, admittedly off-topic, but, this kind of sounds like a variation of the guidance I use for charging my electric car. Don't charge it unless it drops below 80% (so don't keep topping it up), but don't let it go below 20% regularly either. I mostly plug it in at around 60% and let it fully charge. Given the cost of a replacement battery would be more than the total value of the car, I hope this gives me 10 year of life.
Note10.1Dude said:
OK, admittedly off-topic, but, this kind of sounds like a variation of the guidance I use for charging my electric car. Don't charge it unless it drops below 80% (so don't keep topping it up), but don't let it go below 20% regularly either. I mostly plug it in at around 60% and let it fully charge. Given the cost of a replacement battery would be more than the total value of the car, I hope this gives me 10 year of life.
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EV metering is set up differently. What shows as 100% is likely a conservative 80% charge. Research for that variant.
A 35-40% low cut off is probably better as going lower generates more heat causing needless stress... unless you need that capacity.
Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
Andyzurbs said:
Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
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Turn it off then.
Andyzurbs said:
Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
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Accubattery just provides a guide. See here:
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Hello, I'm using a pixel 6 with two cards sim. When I go to sleep the phone is fully charged and internet/wifi is turned off. When i wake up i have 88% battery (I lose 1,5% per hour). In battery use i see Ims Service. I did a test and in...
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I used to cycle from full to empty on my Pixel 2 before recharging, at about 3 years the battery couldnt last until lunch anymore. This meant more cycling, and I could fully discharge/recharge it 3 or 4 times a day. Within 6 months the battery only lasted 5 minutes, it was stuffed. Phone always hot and needed to stay on a charger 24/7, would turn off if I opened the camera without usb power connected.
Held out about 6 months on a permanent usb battery bank, was such a slog to wait until the Pixel 6 was released.
Hi everyone!
Hope you're enjoying your S23 Ultra as much as I am!
I wanted to see if people were charging their phones to 100%, or utilizing the battery protection bit and charging only to 85%?
I charge it only to 85% and don't let it drop below 25%, what about you?
Thanks!
I created a routine to charge to 85% during work days as I'm home and I don't really care about full battery and 100% during the weekend as I tend to go out and I'd want every juice of it
I charge it every night on my wireless charger and as far as I remember it hasn't dropped below 40% yet.
I charge to 85% and never go below 30%... Long lasting battery for minimum 4 y like my old 10+... after 4 y still 5h of SoT...
That's amazing, thank you both! I've been charging it once every day and a half really! But that's with about 3.5 hrs of SoT and over a day with screen off time
aureum said:
I charge to 85% and never go below 30%... Long lasting battery for minimum 4 y like my old 10+... after 4 y still 5h of SoT...
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same. I do took care of my battery and my almost 6yo oneplus5 had 4h SOT on a 3300mAh battery (+/- 9-10h sot day1) and uptodate app and rom. I never used fast charging.
After 5 years lithium battery will naturally loose +/-20%.
Then add your use, heat, nb of charge/discharge, you can add an other +/-20% lost.
I was about to change the battery of my OP5 simply to see when this phone will be slow, but in the mean time I dont pay for my phones and a 6yo phone is not that bad.
Pretty sure Ive could get it to 8y and still using all googleplay app no issue.
colombianmuse said:
Hi everyone!
Hope you're enjoying your S23 Ultra as much as I am!
I wanted to see if people were charging their phones to 100%, or utilizing the battery protection bit and charging only to 85%?
I charge it only to 85% and don't let it drop below 25%, what about you?
Thanks!
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Amen to that
colombianmuse said:
Hi everyone!
Hope you're enjoying your S23 Ultra as much as I am!
I wanted to see if people were charging their phones to 100%, or utilizing the battery protection bit and charging only to 85%?
I charge it only to 85% and don't let it drop below 25%, what about you?
Thanks!
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I do the same.
I switched from a 5 and a half years old S8+ which battery ended dying on me just 2 weeks before the S23 Ultra was released. I had bad habits with the S8+, letting it go often below 20, charging it always at 100 and even using it while charging.
With the S23 Ultra i want to do it right from the start, so 85 max and not below 25. Fingers crossed it will last longer than S8+, and i'm liking it so much that if i manage to keep it in good conditions i might have a the battery changed in 4 ou 5 years instead of switching phone again.
you always can do routine to help. During the day I rarely need to charge, and night I might be around 40%, so not enough to start a day.
- IF hours between 9hpm and 5ham > THEN battery protect 85% AND Battery saver ON.
So plugged during night will never get over 85%, around 30 min before wake up, the phone will charge up to 100% . So it will most likely never be plugged in @ 100% for long period of time.
I set it to 85%. I would struggle to kill this thing in a single day so why not?
Keep in mind that setting it to 85% doesn't stop battery wear if you leave it on the charger as it will keep charging itself every time it falls under 85%.
Hi,
OneUI 5.0 and previous one also introduced protect battery that doesn't allow u charge phone above 85%. I am using it often because for me it dont affect my phone usage patterns. I can charge phone at least once per 8h and it is almost impossible to discharge phone in time (I have S23+ but I am posting here cuz its more active tag). I am leaving house at 80% and coming back at 50% in overtime scenario.
But also I read it is healthy to full discharge (or till 5-10%) and then full charge phone at least once a month and some sources says even more frequently to do it.
On one side rumours says u should always avoid discharging under 25% and charging over 80%, and other says u should relatively frequently discharge ur phone and then charge it up till full.
I want to know how it works in theory I am not interested in getting answers like "lol man why u even care, phone is for you not otherwise" - because it is often answer in topics like that.
I think that charging to 85% with low speed will be more than enough.
I saw with my gf phone, hauwei p30 pro.
I tried so hard to "teach" her a proper charging routine, but she just doesn't care. The only thing I managed to do is silently enable the "smart charging" to stop charge battery under max capacity.
After 3 years honestly her battery life is still great, as it was mine with the regular Huawei p30 (me, a maniac as you).
Anyway, if you really like the phone, you can afford replace battery after 4 years (should be even cheaper with s23 ultra)
Fl1nt91 said:
I think that charging to 85% with low speed will be more than enough.
I saw with my gf phone, hauwei p30 pro.
I tried so hard to "teach" her a proper charging routine, but she just doesn't care. The only thing I managed to do is silently enable the "smart charging" to stop charge battery under max capacity.
After 3 years honestly her battery life is still great, as it was mine with the regular Huawei p30 (me, a maniac as you).
Anyway, if you really like the phone, you can afford replace battery after 4 years (should be even cheaper with s23 ultra)
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I am using 20W to charge my S23+ so it is not slowest charge but not fastest aswell. Still alot slower than chinese products offering 100W+. I think charging from 20 do 80 in like 35-40 mins is really healthy for battery.
My problem with replacing battery is more that it is hard to find original one and find service that can replace it without losing data and other stuff. At least I had much problems with it with my previous phone but it was realme not samsung so I am aware after 2 years I will have problems with replacing it.
Minimize the current drain. Higher current drain reduces the battery's life span by requiring more full charge cycles for the tasks but also by raising the operating temperature.
Avoid starting a charge cycle below a battery temperature of 72F, 82 is better. Keep charging temps below 102F. 82-99F is ideal.
NEVER attempt to charge a Li that's near freezing temperatures.
Li's prefer frequent midrange power cycling rather than longer usage/charge times. My typical cutoff is 40% or higher and 72% if I'm trying to extend the battery life. Ideally it should be allowed to "settle" after a charge before using.
Never charge with the display on.
When the battery reaches 80% of its new capacity it's considered degraded and should be replaced. Degraded cells are more likely to fail. Any swelling is a failure, replace immediately. A failed Li can damage the display.
I totaly abused my note 10 plus from september 2019 to february 2023, so almost 4 years - charging to 100%, connecting/disconnecting whenever i needed it, playing games while charging everyday, draining it to 0% sometimes, other times it was on 92% or 87% and i was planning a long day, so i charge it to 100%, full abuse. My battery was in perfect condition till the day i bought the s23u. I think that the quality of the battery matters much more than the way you use it, your usage patterns have very little effect on the battery in the period you use your phone. Maybe if we start using our phones for 10-15 years, it will matter, but...
I don't do the stop at 85% on my devices but I do turn off all fast charging and I'm happy with that, but that's just me.
1) Don't put your phone on charge and sleep 10 hours.
2) Keep your charge between sweet spots. %40 - %80 is always ideal.
3) Fast charging does not harm.
4) Don't play games while charging.
5) Don't let your phone get too hot. Hot battery die sooner.
I use default 25w oficial charger from Samsung S21 Ultra, i have like 4 of those and i see no point in having a 45w to shave 10mins of charging time. Fast charging enabled.
I also made a routine, on Saturday and Sunday it disables battery protection so it charges 100% for when i travel and use camera a lot, during work days battery protection(85%) is enabled by default.
I have my S23U 1080p 120hz using light mode all the time and i'm having good results.
in my life I've had a lot of smartphones and what I can say is that I've never performed these types of charges from 25% to 85% and I've never had a problem, however where I had problems was with smartphones that had a processor badly optimizing the heating prevents the battery from working properly and above all the cables and chargers if you use non-official chargers or damage your battery, there is a risk of damage
From what I read it does not matter if you charge to 100 % but you should not continue charging it.
To prevent this I just made a routine that turns on the 85 % mode as soon as it reaches 99 % (I guess I could've chosen 100 % but did not...). Then it stops charging and I wake up with around 99 % charge..
Try to not go below 30% and never ever go to 0 or close to it. Li Ion battery are fragile in deep discharge as same li polymer batteries. So never go in deep discharge, it makes more damage to the battery than charge it to 100%. I have 10y lipos batteries for my RC models that i never go below 30% and they still have 95% of capacity... 10y and running fine in hard condition RC helicopters that pulls all the battery to 30% in 5 minutes. Li ion are the same...
Why not play games while charging? Isn't also supposed top have power passthrough?
illetyus said:
1) Don't put your phone on charge and sleep 10 hours.
2) Keep your charge between sweet spots. %40 - %80 is always ideal.
3) Fast charging does not harm.
4) Don't play games while charging.
5) Don't let your phone get too hot. Hot battery die sooner.
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Why not play games while charging? Isn't also supposed top have power passthrough?
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Well probably it is because gaming = heat and chargin = heat. Double source of heat may cause battery damage. This is probably the only reason.
Battery University has a really good article on what causes excess battery damage.
Basically, after manufacturing, the battery will get damaged even if it just sits there. But the things to really look out for:
Don't leave the battery discharged
Avoid heat
Don't charge when the battery is cold
Don't charge when the battery is hot
Fast charging creates heat
Don't charge/discharge above a rate of 1C
Don't keep the battery at a high voltage (fully charged)
So keep the battery between ~30-80% at a reasonable temperature
Since my first smartphone (a BlackBerry Curve) I've charged my phone's to 100%, left them on the charger all night, and plugged in in the car. I've never seen a noticeable degradation of battery life. I know it happens, but I think it's been blown out of proportion.
What's the point of a big battery and great battery life if you ly charge it to 85%? I think by the time the battery actually reached the point that it only had the equivalent of 85% health/life you'll be long ready to trade it in.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
Since my first smartphone (a BlackBerry Curve) I've charged my phone's to 100%, left them on the charger all night, and plugged in in the car. I've never seen a noticeable degradation of battery life. I know it happens, but I think it's been blown out of proportion.
What's the point of a big battery and great battery life if you ly charge it to 85%? I think by the time the battery actually reached the point that it only had the equivalent of 85% health/life you'll be long ready to trade it in.
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If you plan to hold it for at least 4 years its worth saving battery. And i believe this is the phone i'm going to hold for a long time. And like i said before, using routine for weekends at 100% battery.
This is me today at work, from 85% to 71% in 10 hours, 35min sot, with 4 calls less then 5min each since i'm at work i can't use my phone all the time. 1080p, 120hz, ligth mode. wifi and bluetooth enabled with watch honor magic 2 connected.
I know it's in Portuguese but you can understand by icons and stuff.
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Xoltro said:
Hi,
OneUI 5.0 and previous one also introduced protect battery that doesn't allow u charge phone above 85%. I am using it often because for me it dont affect my phone usage patterns. I can charge phone at least once per 8h and it is almost impossible to discharge phone in time (I have S23+ but I am posting here cuz its more active tag). I am leaving house at 80% and coming back at 50% in overtime scenario.
But also I read it is healthy to full discharge (or till 5-10%) and then full charge phone at least once a month and some sources says even more frequently to do it.
On one side rumours says u should always avoid discharging under 25% and charging over 80%, and other says u should relatively frequently discharge ur phone and then charge it up till full.
I want to know how it works in theory I am not interested in getting answers like "lol man why u even care, phone is for you not otherwise" - because it is often answer in topics like that.
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To save battery for max you should always have from 50 to 70% charge from 10C* to 45C* do not use phone lower or higher degrees it may cause bad reaction to battery. Do not use fast charge all this stuff based on a lot of researches you can find it.
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If you plan to hold it for at least 4 years its worth saving battery. And i believe this is the phone i'm going to hold for a long time. And like i said before, using routine for weekends at 100% battery.
This is me today at work, from 85% to 71% in 10 hours, 35min sot, with 4 calls less then 5min each since i'm at work i can't use my phone all the time. 1080p, 120hz, ligth mode. wifi and bluetooth enabled with watch honor magic 2 connected.
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Ok, if you're going to keep it that long I can see trying to maintain the battery. I do trade in yearly, but in that year Ive never seen any degradation. And I do all the things you're not supposed to. It stays in my car on the charger in the heat and the cold. I leave it charging all night. I abuse TF out of my battery. The rest of the phone I keep pristine tho, LOL.
I don't worry about battery at all. I love fast charging option and it's always on. I need the phone to charge fast, even though Samsung's 45W is actually really slow today. Why I don't care? Because my 2 years warranty covers the battery issues too (2X per year) so I can ask them to exchange the battery if the condition degrades.
gmadjara said:
I don't worry about battery at all. I love fast charging option and it's always on. I need the phone to charge fast, even though Samsung's 45W is actually really slow today. Why I don't care? Because my 2 years warranty covers the battery issues too (2X per year) so I can ask them to exchange the battery if the condition degrades.
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Agree, fast charging is just too convenient. I do limit top charge and discharge % though. On this heavily used N10+ I expect about a 2 year battery lifespan. Battery change outs aren't that hard or expensive. It's going to be on its 3rd battery soon. The first one had a hard life because the phone wasn't properly optimized the first few months; constant high current drains will kill the battery prematurely.