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Some of my concerns seem to be true, the enormous resolution zaps a lot of the Mali 604s GPU power in games and graphics benchmarks making it at or below 3d performance of the older tf700. I just ask myself is such a high resolution so necessary? 1080p could've done it IMO, and it would have increased performance a lot in games. What's the point of a crystal clear resolution if the games are choppy?
The Exynos CPU score is great though and it'll be a good tablet for people wanting just a nice internet experience and viewing movies I'm sure will be great. Just disappointed about the 3D performance.
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http://www.laptopmag.com/review/tablets/google-nexus-10.aspx
Some of my concerns seem to be true, the enormous resolution zaps a lot of the Mali 604s GPU power in games and graphics benchmarks making it at or below 3d performance of the older tf700. I just ask myself is such a high resolution so necessary? 1080p could've done it IMO, and it would have increased performance a lot in games. What's the point of a crystal clear resolution if the games are choppy?
The Exynos CPU score is great though and it'll be a good tablet for people wanting just a nice internet experience and viewing movies I'm sure will be great. Just disappointed about the 3D performance.
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We have a review thread already. All reviews are done on pre-release SW therefore not giving final scores.
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We have a review thread already. All reviews are done on pre-release SW therefore not giving final scores.
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I don't buy that. Why would pre-release software be slower or return poorer benchmark results when there are only 10 days to go before launch?
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I don't buy that. Why would pre-release software be slower or return poorer benchmark results when there are only 10 days to go before launch?
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Firstly, I do computer science at uni and depending what software design methodology Google uses, software optimization/debugging is generally the last step, getting everything working is a lot more important. Also, for a company like google, 10 days can make a huge difference, but we don't know how old that prerelease software and hardware is. For example andy rubin was using a prerelease nexus 4 which had lock screen widgets and he stressed that it wasn't the final product. Yet these reviews devices don't have lock screen widgets among other features which says these review units are older than the one andy rubin was using last week. Therefore using deduction, we could guess that these devices that the reviews are using could be running software from a week or two ago at a min, and add 10 days from now till the 13th. Lets just say 20 days is a hell of a long time in software development terms, especially for a company with the resources of google. Hope that helps
Yeah I think the reviews are going to be very close to the release versions which are most likely already packaged and ready for retail considering they're releasing November 13th. I hope gpu performance improves honestly or maybe if developers can run games at a lower resolution and upscale or something.
Still performance will be smooth and crystal clear outside of demanding games.
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Yeah I think the reviews are going to be very close to the release versions which are most likely already packaged and ready for retail considering they're releasing November 13th. I hope gpu performance improves honestly or maybe if developers can run games at a lower resolution and upscale or something.
Still performance will be smooth and crystal clear outside of demanding games.
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Yeah, that's true. You could use 4 pixels for every 'real' pixel and still have a sharper image than any other tab out there.
But danielsf has a point, and knows a lot more about it than I do. 20 days is a lot for a team of 20-odd people working a 9-5er for 16 of those days.
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Who says they're even working 9-5? Many software companies set a deadline for their developers and the developers work however they want so long as it is done. My friend works writing tax software and he will work 30 hour weeks for most of the year but towards October the usual programmer is working 50+ hour weeks so that they'll hit their deadline in mid December.
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Who says they're even working 9-5? Many software companies set a deadline for their developers and the developers work however they want so long as it is done. My friend works writing tax software and he will work 30 hour weeks for most of the year but towards October the usual programmer is working 50+ hour weeks so that they'll hit their deadline in mid December.
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True, that does sound like a 'big tech firm' thing to do, especially one with a personal project funding thing.
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What's the point of a crystal clear resolution if the games are choppy?
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So the adults can have a high end device and use it for its intended purpose.
People should stop feeding into benchmarks so much. I bet it'll still play 3d games just fine. If my lower clocked tegra3 nexus7 can play 3d games fine(no chop or slowdown) then nexus 10 will push those games with ease(even with higher resolution).
I never base my purchases off of benchmarks. I take in all the reviews then try for myself. The best indicator of performance is you using the device in your usage scenarios.
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http://www.laptopmag.com/review/tablets/google-nexus-10.aspx
Some of my concerns seem to be true, the enormous resolution zaps a lot of the Mali 604s GPU power in games and graphics benchmarks making it at or below 3d performance of the older tf700. I just ask myself is such a high resolution so necessary? 1080p could've done it IMO, and it would have increased performance a lot in games. What's the point of a crystal clear resolution if the games are choppy?
The Exynos CPU score is great though and it'll be a good tablet for people wanting just a nice internet experience and viewing movies I'm sure will be great. Just disappointed about the 3D performance.
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I don't trust these new benchmarks.
GLBench is somewhat more accurate, in my opinion.
Look at those scores, they should be much more indicative.
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So the adults can have a high end device and use it for its intended purpose.
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who's to say what it's intended purpose is? It's different for everyone and games happen to be very important for me. I look at every aspect of a device before I buy.
Just curious, but why does benchmarks show lower score for this SoC on tne N10 than eg. the Chromebook with the same SoC?
Correct me if I am wrong.
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Just curious, but why does benchmarks show lower score for this SoC on tne N10 than eg. the Chromebook with the same SoC?
Correct me if I am wrong.
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Difference in chrome os and android os & power constraints on a tablet vs a notebook.
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Difference in chrome os and android os & power constraints on a tablet vs a notebook.
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Could we hope for a more optimised Android code increasing performance?
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Could we hope for a more optimised Android code increasing performance?
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Yes. Often this is the case, particularly with a device that is changing the paradigm as much as the Nexus 10 is.
My attitude toward these pre-release benchmarks is this. Take a casual look at them and note what they say, but don't read too much into them. Wait for the full release version and see how it actually performs. If there are a lot of people *****ing about something after it is released, assess how easy that would be to be fixed and the likelihood that it will be. If it is something that will likely be addressed in the near future, great. If not, then take a closer look before purchasing.
While I would love to have a Nexus 10 yesterday, I'm willing to wait and let the early adopters take a few arrows to see how this device actually performs before deciding if I will spend some of my hard earned money on it. :victory:
I think I'm just concerned about how it will affect the fluidity of the user interface. All the resolution in the world isn't worth it if you can't pinch and zoom or scroll a webpage/magazine app without choppiness.
They made a big deal about Project butter I hope this isn't a regression because the gpu can't keep up.
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I think I'm just concerned about how it will affect the fluidity of the user interface. All the resolution in the world isn't worth it if you can't pinch and zoom or scroll a webpage/magazine app without choppiness.
They made a big deal about Project butter I hope this isn't a regression because the gpu can't keep up.
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I agree, but I've heard its pretty smooth n the menus.
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Maybe Google/Samsung intentionally set the expectation low and positively surprise us on release day like turning off debugging which tends to zap performance.
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Maybe Google/Samsung intentionally set the expectation low and positively surprise us on release day like turning off debugging which tends to zap performance.
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Don't think they'd intentionally do such a thing, but they did release these beta devices for testing knowing the final 4.2 SW is not ready yet. It's all a bit rushed so I don't expect significant improvement out of the box (but an overall smooth performance in both at browsing and gaming), and since Samsung is doubling GPU cores for the S4, I feel the Nexus 10's bottleneck will always be the quad-core Mali T604, despite performance optimizations surely to come. That 4M screen is a performance hungry beast.
Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score. Not to mention, the Droid Ultra has a WORSE chipset than the DNA's yet it gets a significantly higher 3DMark score?..
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
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Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score.
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
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What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
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What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
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Ive only ran 3DMark when I was on stock ROM, considering A8 and the A2 Benchmark weren't out then, and on the Extreme test on 3DMark I used to always hit 5.9k or below, now I get about 61xx. On other ROMs, especially the NOS M7 port, or any M7 port for that matter, I always got way worse performance through both gaming and benchmarks.
I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
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I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
Slow?
I've owned the DNA since launch (a launch model and a replacement w/ the Verizon update pre-installed). My original was rooted with S-OFF. My current is stock. I have never heard the word slow and the Droid DNA in the same sentence. I have a 2013 Nexus 7, which I believe is also a S4 Pro, and when comparing the two, my Nexus has has more non responsive moments than my phone. My DNA has been a champ for close to a year now. The only drawback is battery life, but that's not the topic of this conversation.
You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
He did mention lower framerates on Asphalt 8.
I think he's mainly concerned about gaming performance, as we now have some fairly demanding games on the market. I don't play games on my phone, so I can't really give any examples of my experience...
Otherwise, regardless of benchmark numbers, I think 2012+ phones have such advanced internals that day-to-day basic usage of the device will be fine.
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You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
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Games like Asphalt 8, I can understand having a drop to a lower framerate, however, even when playing Dead Trigger on High on my current kernel and ROM setup, when turning the camera, I experience immense framerate drops, to even like, 11 or so. I honestly don't understand why the DNA is so under performing. I do a lot of gaming on my DNA, and early benchmarks when the phone was first released revealed better scores than the Nexus 4, but now it seems like the exact opposite. I can't even keep a decent frame rate on Real Racing 3.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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You're failing to understand my point here. My main question in this thread is, if all these devices use the exact same GPU, and most of them, the exact same chipset, why do the Adreno 320s in phones like the Nexus 4, the Xperia Z, Droid Ultra, how do those outperform the GPU in the DNA by so much? Even in real world performance. In real racing 3, a nexus 4 can get like a good average 30 FPS, on my DNA, I'm lucky to see FPS Meter hit 30 once.
I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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This is the type of information I'm talking about. I don't know more about Android other than flashing zips, but I never knew that we're basically running off of a generic driver. It's literally about the same as me installing a new GPU in my desktop and running off of Microsoft's OEM display driver? If so, how much better would gaming be if the upcoming HTC One Dev Edition 4.3 update was ported to the DNA as a flashable rom? I did notice that the NOS HTC One GE rom on 4.2.2 had a lot better performance than all other 4.2.2 roms. If the HTC One Google Edition's 4.3 was ported to the DNA, it'd be running off of Qualcomm proprietary drivers? If so, I absolutely cannot wait.
Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
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Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
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Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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On 3DMark, my scores are higher than the average for any device with an Adreno 320 GPU, on all three tests Thanks dude, I absolutely cannot wait for a 4.3 update!
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resolution has alot to do with graphic performance. Using a high resolution can have a big toll on a graphic chip and thats true with any kind of computer, tablet or smartphone. the reason the Droid ultra and Nexus 4 run smoother in games because the resolution is lower. Simple as that. Dont know about the Xperia Z. 720 vs 1080p. Thats a 25% increase in resolution. It wont be appearant on most games but on high gpu powered games you will start to notice fps drops.
Hi guys, just wondering how good it is in terms of games?
Just about to buy one and just wanted your opinion. Thanks for you time.
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Hi guys, just wondering how good it is in terms of games?
Just about to buy one and just wanted your opinion. Thanks for you time.
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Well, I'm a daily player with a number of games on my GPad, and for now it has been running everything flawlessly. I'm currently playing Asphalt 8 in high details, and Amazing Spiderman 2 : both are just perfect and beautiful. I expect it will be some time before you find something thaht lags on it.
Have you tried need for speed most wanted on it. Cause that game is very laggy on mine, Rest work fine.
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Have you tried need for speed most wanted on it. Cause that game is very laggy on mine,
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Weird, it's really, really buttersmooth on mine.
Modern Combat 4, Deus Ex 2, Frontline Commando 2, Real Racing 3, Call of Duty Strike Team - works great.
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Weird, it's really, really buttersmooth on mine.
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That game was smooth on mine as well.
Though I only had the LG G Pad a few days before returning it (did not like the quality of sound output and the display was blinking - a fault?)
Hope this topic gets more informative. Games are the only thing that is preventing me from buying this tablet. I haven't personally run any benchmark on the device but when I go to gfxbench.com and compare this tablet with other devices is seems like it will have a very short future on gaming. Because not only Galaxy S4 with the same chipset scores higher on the graphical benchmarks but even also Nexus 7 2013 is very much ahead of this tablet.
In the beginning I was going between two tablets; Tab Pro 8.4 and G Pad 8.3 because of Tab Pro's superior screen (everyone was saying G Pad was the dimmest screen they have ever seen). After seing that G Pad has actually better color accuracy and no downsides at all, I wanted to go for G Pad. However benchmarks are really scaring me on the GPU side (I don' care about CPU benchs because they are unreliable however GPU ones are very relistic).
Since I haven't even personally see a G Pad outside of a store I have no chance to run some benchmarks or measure any potential. So, I am trying to understand how even Nexus 7 can do better than G Pad. Could it be that the tests were made from the time of 4.4.2? Could any of you possibly run some tests on CM 11 and latest stock environments to share results? I know Adreno 330 has some technological advantages but it should not be that much better on the Tab Pro 8.4's resolution against G Pad..
Forget synthetic benchmarks, they are just for epeen bragging rights, and a lot of the time they aren't even accurate (see Samsung and HTC faking theirs) what games do you want tested?
I've never cared about benchmarks either and I must say I did not experience any problems with games I threw at LG G Pad.
With that said - and you guys are going to hate me for this - as far as tablet gaming is concerned, nothing beats the iPad. Whatever we may think about Apple's 'walled garden' ecosystem, the variety, the sheer amount of games available there is astounding. And don't get me started on optimization and regular updates to games....
Please understand that I'm not trolling, I've used many various Android tablets and loved them all. But for pure gaming purposes, I'd be hard-pressed to find a better tablet. Sorry.
Nothing to be sorry about, devs go where the money is, the Android ecosystem is different and follows the freemium approach more. You can make more money from less sales on the iStore with a $3 game than more android installs of a freemium game if barely anyone buys the extras.
I don't think that this tablet is a good performer in games.
My friend has a galaxy s3 and in almost every game his framerates and graphics are better than my g pad.
A test sample for me is carX drift (that i really love playing), he is able to run it without any framerate drops on high graphics
while my g pad is running it on low with some framerate drops (if i switch to medium or high graphics it is still playable,but the framerate is sub 25fps)
And on amazing spiderman 2 it is not smooth by any mean, it is just playable (20fps seems to my eyes)
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I don't think that this tablet is a good performer in games.
My friend has a galaxy s3 and in almost every game his framerates and graphics are better than my g pad.
A test sample for me is carX drift (that i really love playing), he is able to run it without any framerate drops on high graphics
while my g pad is running it on low with some framerate drops (if i switch to medium or high graphics it is still playable,but the framerate is sub 25fps)
And on amazing spiderman 2 it is not smooth by any mean, it is just playable (20fps seems to my eyes)
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That seems like a problem. I know Google would never let its own device go under a mission impossible so I believe GP Edition of the tablet has either better optimised or newer drivers for GPU. I mean, look at Nexus 7 2013, even it has better performance when it comes to 3d gaming. This device is sold on Goole's vey own web page with Google's name on it. There is no way it should be lagging in games in the Google's own world without even turning 1 year old..
So it is either worse driver or underclocked GPU?
Has anyone tried OCing or using CM 11 since they "may" have better/newer drivers for GPU?
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I persdonally don't think GPU benchmarks are inaccurate. We want to see how our devices would treat games and they give us a scientifically equal test environment.. If we were to compare two devices with the same game, two person -side by side- would have to play excatly the same way which is impossible. So consider the 3d benchmarks as playing and measuring a cinematic part of a game..
Of course this idea is valid until some *clever* company starts cheating..
Still, something is not with G Pad's GPU, it can't even beat Galaxy S4..
alekos1992 said:
I don't think that this tablet is a good performer in games.
My friend has a galaxy s3 and in almost every game his framerates and graphics are better than my g pad.
A test sample for me is carX drift (that i really love playing), he is able to run it without any framerate drops on high graphics
while my g pad is running it on low with some framerate drops (if i switch to medium or high graphics it is still playable,but the framerate is sub 25fps)
And on amazing spiderman 2 it is not smooth by any mean, it is just playable (20fps seems to my eyes)
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You do realise the GPad has a much higher resolution than the S3?
I own both the GPad and an S3, I will try this out tonight and let you know.
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I persdonally don't think GPU benchmarks are inaccurate. We want to see how our devices would treat games and they give us a scientifically equal test environment.. If we were to compare two devices with the same game, two person -side by side- would have to play excatly the same way which is impossible. So consider the 3d benchmarks as playing and measuring a cinematic part of a game..
Of course this idea is valid until some *clever* company starts cheating..
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It depends how you are testing, just running a timed demo on a commercial game would be more accurate than running 3DMark or something along those lines.
Companies have been caught out and basically letting the phone/tablet/whatever run flat out when it detects it's running a benchmark app, which they normally wouldn't do due to heat and battery problems.
Tachikoma_kun said:
You do realise the GPad has a much higher resolution than the S3?
I own both the GPad and an S3, I will try this out tonight and let you know.
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It depends how you are testing, just running a timed demo on a commercial game would be more accurate than running 3DMark or something along those lines.
Companies have been caught out and basically letting the phone/tablet/whatever run flat out when it detects it's running a benchmark app, which they normally wouldn't do due to heat and battery problems.
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You are right. However, Google is not one of those companies. So this tablet -at least- should have gotten on par with the Nexus 7 2013 level (of course with the same software version). Like I said, I have never seen a Google Play Edition of G Pad with my own eyes and never seen a benchmark run on it either.. But I believe if run, the benchmarks should have been at least on par or higher than Nexus 7 2013, depending on S4 Pro and S600 differences. I know Nexus 7 has a special version of S4 Pro and it probably effects the Adreno 320's performance too but still this tablet has an S600 chipset.
If you check gfxbench.com, and compare Nexus 7 2013, Samsung Galaxy Tap Pro 8.4 and G Pad 8.3 to each other you definetely can say G Pad should not result like that (talking about "onscreen" values, the others are just tricky values).
If I may ask, would you mind running some tests on your tablet to see how it is on, onscreen tests on gfx bench (If you are on KitKat of course)?
And also, If someone has some time to run the same benchmark on the CM 11 would be very much welcome and I would be very much thankfull If the results are so different than stock LG software's then we will know that something is wrong on the driver side (outdated/misconfigured etc..)
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_delice_doluca_ said:
If I may ask, would you mind running some tests on your tablet to see how it is on, onscreen tests on gfx bench (If you are on KitKat of course)?
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As long as it doesn't cost me money, I am happy to run whatever you want. I'm using stock rooted KitKat, LG launcher, pretty much as standard as it can get.
Let me know what you want me to run and I will do it over the weekend (if I remember :laugh
Tachikoma_kun said:
As long as it doesn't cost me money, I am happy to run whatever you want. I'm using stock rooted KitKat, LG launcher, pretty much as standard as it can get.
Let me know what you want me to run and I will do it over the weekend (if I remember :laugh
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Thank you
I guess 2 apps would be more than enough.
One is gfxbench 3.0, after you download (Wi-Fi recommended) and pass the welcome screen just click on "tests" and select everything except "off screen" ones then let it run. It will take like 5 mins. (You may want to try battery life test but it is not necessary)
You can go to gfxbench.com and chose your device to compare with your results. For example my Nexus 4's results are very much same with the web page's but my previous Note 2 was so different.
The other is 3D mark. A cross platform test so we can compare the tablet to any tablet or phone.. Simply run the tests and it will display results side by side.
I know I am asking for too much but please run all tests twice and run them as all other apps are closed. If previous results are significantly lower than seconds then it is a driver or stability issue, if the opposite there is thermal throttle, if they are close enough then those are the results we need to achieve..
Thank you so much for helping. That is too important to me.
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_delice_doluca_ said:
Thank you
I guess 2 apps would be more than enough.
One is gfxbench 3.0, after you download (Wi-Fi recommended) and pass the welcome screen just click on "tests" and select everything except "off screen" ones then let it run. It will take like 5 mins. (You may want to try battery life test but it is not necessary)
You can go to gfxbench.com and chose your device to compare with your results. For example my Nexus 4's results are very much same with the web page's but my previous Note 2 was so different.
The other is 3D mark. A cross platform test so we can compare the tablet to any tablet or phone.. Simply run the tests and it will display results side by side.
I know I am asking for too much but please run all tests twice and run them as all other apps are closed. If previous results are significantly lower than seconds then it is a driver or stability issue, if the opposite there is thermal throttle, if they are close enough then those are the results we need to achieve..
Thank you so much for helping. That is too important to me.
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Gfxbench done
3dmark done
There does seem to be some thermal throttling going on.
Tachikoma_kun said:
Gfxbench done
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Thanks a lot.
Weird, there is noticible change between two tests. GPU benchmarks should not change that much unless there are thermal issues.
Another thing is the results are higher than gfxbench.com says, obviously 4.4.2 brings some boost over 4.2.2.. This way it is on par or close-enough with Nexus 7 2013.
Thank you again
Just updated with 3d mark, does look a lot like there's thermal throttling going on. The device does get warm under load but I out that down to having a metal back.
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Gangster vegas works fine :>
My question is why? 4 Gigs of RAM, 6 core 808 processor...this device should be smoking fast. Is it all because of the ultra-high PPI display?
It's because of stock, that's why.
My Nexus 9 kicks some benchmark behind, but its a laggy piece of junk, so yeah, who cares what benchmarks say. I'm more interested in real life performance and every video I've seen shows a very smooth phone with minimal lag.
chrisrotolo said:
It's because of stock, that's why.
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My G3 had incredible benchmark scores when tested stock. "Because stock" doesn't make sense to me. (No offense.)
yourbrotherrex said:
My G3 had incredible benchmark scores when tested stock. "Because stock" doesn't make sense to me. (No offense.)
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Yet the G3 is a very laggy device. I'm typing this using one. What's the fascination with a high benchmark when it doesn't translate into everyday use? Would you rather have a device that benchmarks insanely like a Nexus 9 and lags like crazy or a device that benchmarks poorly and doesn't lag at all like a nexus 5? I think the last phone I owned that I actually ran a benchmark on was an HTC Evo. The numbers have been shown to be useless in real world performance of a device.
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? My G3 doesn't lag whatsoever.
People still care about benchmark scores? Who's winning prizes from this? Its almost 2016, either your phone is running good or its not. Benchmarks have been doctored in the past anyway
yourbrotherrex said:
? My G3 doesn't lag whatsoever.
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Then I'll just say we have a different definition of lag. Our dept issued the G3 as the workphone, and in setting up 48 of the devices, I can say without pause that every single one is a laggy phone. Grab a Nexus 5 and play with that, then go back to your G3 and say it has no lag whatsoever. Is it unusable? Not at all, but it certainly lags and to say no lag whatsoever, we clearly have different meanings of lag.
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bigstunta101 said:
People still care about benchmark scores? Who's winning prizes from this? Its almost 2016, either your phone is running good or its not. Benchmarks have been doctored in the past anyway
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It's all about the e-peen man! My Nexus 9 blows the iPad away in benchmarks!!!!!11 Put the two side by side and see which one operates like a champ and which one operates like a chump. I'll give you a spoiler, the N9 is the chump.
I guess manufacturers do a huge effort to have best marks in the most common benchmark apps. It's like Volkswagen: Software optimized for test situations. I wouldn't care too much about it. After all I've seen, it's quite snappy.
Lol great comparison @DeGon
What scores have you been getting?
Hello XDA,
I would like to preface that I have been a s9+ daily driver since launch and have faced no issues so far. Many people I chat with keep talking about benchmarks and how their device is faster. I dont notice any slowness between my phone and the next generations of phones. I have the phone set to reboot itself every week to. The phone felt snappy.
I even noticed the device improved with Android 10 and One UI 2.0. The benchmarks improved to but it's still scored lower. However daily usage has shown performance to be snappy.
So I ask is benchmarks really all that? Post your benchmarks below!
Benchmarks used: Vellemo, BaseMark 2, Geekbench 4, PcMark, 3D Mark
EternalSeekerX said:
Hello XDA,
I would like to preface that I have been a s9+ daily driver since launch and have faced no issues so far. Many people I chat with keep talking about benchmarks and how their device is faster. I dont notice any slowness between my phone and the next generations of phones. I have the phone set to reboot itself every week to. The phone felt snappy.
I even noticed the device improved with Android 10 and One UI 2.0. The benchmarks improved to but it's still scored lower. However daily usage has shown performance to be snappy.
So I ask is benchmarks really all that? Post your benchmarks below!
Benchmarks used: Vellemo, BaseMark 2, Geekbench 4, PcMark, 3D Mark
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In my opinion Benchmarks are garbage Its on how the device runs in your hand and feels day to day
benchmark in phones = meh