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i'm thinking about getting this phone instead of the note 3 (coming from note 2) and wondering what the deal is with root, unlocking the bootloader etc?
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congratz to 1000 post... the deal? What u wanna know?
Root, well to root on locked bootloader is to make an TA Backup where all your drm keys are stored. These are removed when unlocking the bootloader. The benefit of doing this backup is that you then can restore these keys if needed in the future. And also you can run apps and access features that requires the device to be rooted.
I noticed you are in some level of familiar with custom roms and root as I checked your previous post here at XDA running some sammy roms.
But the benefits of unlocking the bootloader? You can flash roms with ease along the features of being rooted as above.
ah sorry. i didnt meant it in that sense. i had to unlock the bootloader on my old htc desire (samsung since then and no lock). i wondered what the deal was in getting it done?
on the samsungs i've just flashed a custom recovery and that's it. easy as pie but way back when i had to use a goldcard to get the desire unlocked and more steps in getting s-off
is it easy or tricky with the sony? if i get this phone i'd be needing to root straigt away to put my TB backups back on so wouldnt have any drm keys to backup yet
tommo123 said:
ah sorry. i didnt meant it in that sense. i had to unlock the bootloader on my old htc desire (samsung since then and no lock). i wondered what the deal was in getting it done?
on the samsungs i've just flashed a custom recovery and that's it. easy as pie but way back when i had to use a goldcard to get the desire unlocked and more steps in getting s-off
is it easy or tricky with the sony? if i get this phone i'd be needing to root straigt away to put my TB backups back on so wouldnt have any drm keys to backup yet
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The TA backup does make a backup of alla the DRM keys, as the Bravia engine...and bla bla bla what other features there are.
It is easy to unlock the bootloader IF you not running Windows 8. On W8 it is a bit tricky because you have to reboot the OS in test mode disabling the driver verification in order to be able to install fastboot driver and S1 driver. Other than that, it should be done in about 30 sec if there's no issue :good:
and typically i'm on win 8 (though wish i wasn't at times).
cheers for the info. wonder if it would work with win7 via VM
well, i ordered it, and put my old note 2 for sale on mazuma
As a fellow Galaxy Note user here, Rooting the ZU is easy...
Unlocking the bootloader is another.. It is pretty much straightforward from the tutorials on this forum but you have to watch out of your TA partition..
I have gone as far as backing up my TA but I haven't unlocked my Bootloader yet.. I don't feel the need for a custom ROM yet.
Stock, Rooted .532 ROM with Xposed Framework serves most of my needs.. Plus seamless connection of the Dualshock controller which is a definite plus for me!
cool. i've read the guide and i get that the TA partition holds DRM info but isn't thatonly for purchases etc? if it's lost what's the worst case scenario? brick or you lose access to paid for content?
tommo123 said:
and typically i'm on win 8 (though wish i wasn't at times).
cheers for the info. wonder if it would work with win7 via VM
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I have no idea how stable it gonna be to make an operation like this? ..because you have to manually unmount and mount the choosen device in to VMware. Now I don't have VMWare Workstation installed as I recently moved to Windows 8 Enterprise. ..big mistake when doing this kind of operations. It took me about an hour to figure out how to properly disarm all this stupid verification of drivers and certificates and bla bla bla microsoft features. In these moments I love my linux mint.
The TA backup benefits from that first of all you do make a backup of your DRM keys if you would like to restore them in the future if going back to stock rom and for example sending it for service covered warranty. You don't necessarily lose your warranty but there might be times when the service center denies your request as they see that the device has been tempered with. I think I read that it does also relock your bootloader but I might need to confirm that..not entirely sure.
If you lost the DRM keys or the backup? Ehm.. yeah no more bravia engine, Track ID and the other apps provided by sony wont work. Other than that, It's not that big of a deal but It's good to have a backup just in case!
ah, good to know then. cheers.
i suppose i could throw a wubi ubuntu install on or something i guess.
Yes, the TA partition has your UNIQUE DRM info needed for Sony's proprietary software to work. (aka bravia engine and xreality) take note of the word UNIQUE.. you cannot use a TA backup from another phone.. So you really have to back it up.. A few minutes of effort to back it up is worth spending rather than losing your keys forever..
As I've read from one of the posts on other threads, restoring the TA partition would not relock your bootloader.. They are two separate steps.. You have to manually relock it after restoring.. Which as far as i understand is fairly easy although I haven't done it myself..
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Hi everyone, sorry if this is the wrong spot to ask.
I have pre ordered a Z2 and since I am new to android and have always been an avid jailbreaker, would like to root my Z2 and eventually play around with custom ROMS.
DooMLoRD announced today that Touch Recovery is working on the Z2 so it can now be unlocked and rooted. I have a few Q's specific to this process.
1. Correct me if I'm wrong but at the moment there is no way to root the Z2 WITHOUT first unlocking it?
2. You need root to do a TA backup, so the current process of unlocking then rooting will result in lost DRM keys?
3. I read that unlocking wipes all data. Does that mean that the Z2 is then unbootable until you have flashed a ROM. Or is the stock ROM still actually in place and bootable, just without any user data?
4. What specific features are lost when you don't have DRM keys? I read something about losing functionality in the photo album and walkman apps, and bravia engine (but that may have related to unlocking the Z!).
1. You are correct.
2. Correct again.
3. The stock ROM will be in place and the phone will be usable, but all user data will be wiped.
4. I have the same question for the Z2. I haven't seen the answer anywhere, but I think @DooMLoRD and @yeeson should know...
Unlock will be lost TA！
yeeson said:
Unlock will be lost TA！
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Do you know what features you lose when you lose TA with the Z2?
JMonkeYJ said:
Do you know what features you lose when you lose TA with the Z2?
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All the normal functions
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All the normal functions
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When you say this, what exactly do you mean? Since a phone has a lot of functions. Calls still work I presume, as well as wifi and mobile data. Camera, audio, play store and google apps etc...?
I thought it was just a few Sony specific functions that stop working, like Sony's OTA updates.
It seems blog sites all over the net are reporting this method of rooting as an easy user-ready option. In their rush to get hits, they are completely neglecting to mention the fact that at the moment this is a one-way process, and that there are some very specific downsides to rushing into rooting the Z2 at the moment.
I hope people are doing their reading first
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When you say this, what exactly do you mean? Since a phone has a lot of functions. Calls still work I presume, as well as wifi and mobile data. Camera, audio, play store and google apps etc...?
I thought it was just a few Sony specific functions that stop working, like Sony's OTA updates.
It seems blog sites all over the net are reporting this method of rooting as an easy user-ready option. In their rush to get hits, they are completely neglecting to mention the fact that at the moment this is a one-way process, and that there are some very specific downsides to rushing into rooting the Z2 at the moment.
I hope people are doing their reading first
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Unlock all normal ！
There is no bug！
Can back to lock, and then to OTA！
yeeson said:
Unlock all normal ！
There is no bug！
Can back to lock, and then to OTA！
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But you only can relock the bootloader only if the Z2 gets a proper root with locked bootloader in order to perform a backup of the TA partition. Once you unlocked it without backup, DRM keys will be lost forever and you'll lose your warranty and you won't ever be able to relock it again. No you can't use the TA backup from another phone. It would hard-brick your phone. I hope that helps!
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jjpro45 said:
But you only can relock the bootloader only if the Z2 gets a proper root with locked bootloader in order to perform a backup of the TA partition. Once you unlocked it without backup, DRM keys will be lost forever and you'll lose your warranty and you won't ever be able to relock it again. No you can't use the TA backup from another phone. It would hard-brick your phone. I hope that helps
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That's exactly what I thought. Is a proper root for the Z2 likely?
cronugs said:
When you say this, what exactly do you mean? Since a phone has a lot of functions. Calls still work I presume, as well as wifi and mobile data. Camera, audio, play store and google apps etc...?
I thought it was just a few Sony specific functions that stop working, like Sony's OTA updates.
It seems blog sites all over the net are reporting this method of rooting as an easy user-ready option. In their rush to get hits, they are completely neglecting to mention the fact that at the moment this is a one-way process, and that there are some very specific downsides to rushing into rooting the Z2 at the moment.
I hope people are doing their reading first
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You MIGHT lose X Reality. DooMLoRD has tweeted a few days ago that all devices with 4.4 that unlock their bootloader will not lose it anymore, but, not that I don't believe him, but I will only be 100 about that seeing many confirmations.
Also, I think you might lose the possibility to use Music and Video Unlimited. Haven't heard anything about PS Mobile, but I think it is included. Can't remember anything else...
Hey Guyz,
New to XDA-Developers platform,just wanted to get your help on rooting Xperia Z2.
I want to mirror my xperia z2 on my laptop. All the applications around need rooted phone to perform this action. Although some are working with USB cable option,but not working at my side either.
I have already downloaded all the necessary tools for rooting,the problem am facing is selection of my firmware
My Phone Software Version is 1278-4770_23.0.1.A.0.167
I want to remain on my 4.4.4 version of kitkat and root as well,till now i have learned that my software version supports German Unbranded FTF file for root.Can anyone provide me that file or some link.
Accept my Thanks and Wishes in Advance
Regards
There are many ways to obtain root access with the xperia Z2
Now keep in mind this:
There is a easy way and a hard way
The easy way voids your warrenty permanently and the hardway alows your warrenty to be restored
Think about this decision and pick one
(ill guide you through it)
Envious_Data said:
There are many ways to obtain root access with the xperia Z2
Now keep in mind this:
There is a easy way and a very hard way
The easy way voids your warrenty permanently and the hardway alows your warrenty to be restored
Think about this decision and pick one
(ill guide you through it)
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I would definitely NOT say downgrading is a very hard way, that's just outright over exaggeration.
There is no easy way or hard way, only a quick way which voids your warranty and there is a longer way that won't void. The longer way takes about an hour if you download all the files previously.
o0 Matt 0o said:
I would definitely NOT say downgrading is a very hard way, that's just outright over exaggeration.
There is no easy way or hard way, only a quick way which voids your warranty and there is a longer way that won't void. The longer way takes about an hour if you download all the files previously.
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*a tad tedious
I find its just a bit anoying with the back and forth
Envious_Data said:
There are many ways to obtain root access with the xperia Z2
Now keep in mind this:
There is a easy way and a hard way
The easy way voids your warrenty permanently and the hardway alows your warrenty to be restored
Think about this decision and pick one
(ill guide you through it)
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Thank you Envious_Data for your kind replay.
I am not much concerned with the removal of warranty permanently. I have decided my cards
Now i'll be thank full to you if you can guide me further...
isaleem7 said:
Thank you Envious_Data for your kind replay.
I am not much concerned with the removal of warranty permanently. I have decided my cards
Now i'll be thank full to you if you can guide me further...
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Take note that you CANT get any repairs from sony even if you want to pay, check that you are satisifed with your device aka no defects
Note that you lose some xperia functions, X-Reality, SuperVivid and some Playstation and sony apps dont work from my testing
Now lets get started
You will need this tool for unlocking your bootloader and flashing a recovery
http://www.flashtool.net/index.php
You will need this tool for installing the fastboot/flashmode/Z2 drivers for Z2
https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http...KA9T2g&usg=AFQjCNEKiBoUgTCpZhx3dv1GJigiYpH2WQ
After unlocking your bootloader flash this boot.img to your device using flashtool
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56540642&postcount=54
Next you will need to download supersu
http://download.chainfire.eu/supersu
You can use twrp to flash this which will root your device
If you need help more than i have explained here then ask
Concider the losses from void warrenty and the few lost services
Do not use twrp to flash anything from another device, mods yes but anything more than just a mod is NO
isaleem7 said:
Thank you Envious_Data for your kind replay.
I am not much concerned with the removal of warranty permanently. I have decided my cards
Now i'll be thank full to you if you can guide me further...
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It blows my mind that people elect to destroy their drm keys when keeping them takes an extra 10 minutes. It is safer to do and can always revert back to stock if your phone screws up.
Although you have been told that on 4.4.4 you lose warranty, camera quality, ps4 remote play, all the xperia unique apps like lounge. How do you know what you lose on lollipop?
Each to there own, I know I've been stung by this is the past so I would never destroy my drm keys again.
o0 Matt 0o said:
It blows my mind that people elect to destroy their drm keys when keeping them takes an extra 10 minutes. It is safer to do and can always revert back to stock if your phone screws up.
Although you have been told that on 4.4.4 you lose warranty, camera quality, ps4 remote play, all the xperia unique apps like lounge. How do you know what you lose on lollipop?
Each to there own, I know I've been stung by this is the past so I would never destroy my drm keys again.
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actually funny enough I've learned that the lack of warranty or Xperia features phases none on some people just because they have a well working unit and most likely wont need a warrenty repair or replace
i kept my TA due to the fact i had 4 defective units in a row however with my Xperia S i had no need for them and similar with my current Z2
whats your opinion on this
Envious_Data said:
actually funny enough I've learned that the lack of warranty or Xperia features phases none on some people just because they have a well working unit and most likely wont need a warrenty repair or replace
i kept my TA due to the fact i had 4 defective units in a row however with my Xperia S i had no need for them and similar with my current Z2
whats your opinion on this
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To be honest i think it would be better to downgrade even if its just for the sake of taking a backup of your TA partition. i myself will be going stock lollipop once official CM or PA ROMs roll out, but i would still like to have a way to get back my warranty just in case its needed. currently neither rooted nor UL BL.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53220418
Try these or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2933155
All of these methods are locked bootloader freindly
Take a backup of your TA after rooting just for safety
ok so please be gentle here, coming back here after 7 years, from old Windows Mobile days!
I am a newbie to Android and want to root my Z5 compact. The only reason I want to root it is to enable some apps like Greenify and GSam battery monitor to work with all their features enabled. I do not want to flash a new ROM. I am happy with Sony's stock ROM.
Is it possible to get root access without installing / flashing a new ROM?
I have searched the internet but people talk about flashing every time I read about rooting. Then I also saw this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/development/root-automatic-repack-stock-kernel-dm-t3301605
Lots of geeky stuff there which is fine, but again, it seems to talk about flashing the ROM, which I really do not want to do or do not see the need (yet).
Unlock boot loader:
I see that Sony lets me unlock the boot loader from their dev site. I am willing to unlock the boot loader. (Not sure if I want to do that first. Maybe unlocking BL is all I need?)
rajdude said:
ok so please be gentle here, coming back here after 7 years, from old Windows Mobile days!
I am a newbie to Android and want to root my Z5 compact. The only reason I want to root it is to enable some apps like Greenify and GSam battery monitor to work with all their features enabled. I do not want to flash a new ROM. I am happy with Sony's stock ROM.
Is it possible to get root access without installing / flashing a new ROM?
I have searched the internet but people talk about flashing every time I read about rooting. Then I also saw this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/development/root-automatic-repack-stock-kernel-dm-t3301605
Lots of geeky stuff there which is fine, but again, it seems to talk about flashing the ROM, which I really do not want to do or do not see the need (yet).
Unlock boot loader:
I see that Sony lets me unlock the boot loader from their dev site. I am willing to unlock the boot loader. (Not sure if I want to do that first. Maybe unlocking BL is all I need?)
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The only reason to use that guide is to backup ta keys for whatever reason you'd want to do that.
If you're after root on stock ROM the single easiest way is to unlock bootloader, flash twrp 3.0.2, flash xpower 3.0, and that's it. Solid marshmallow with root goodies. Xpower has everything and is deodexed and ready for xposed framework.
just a little more clarification please?
civicsr2cool said:
.....easiest way is to unlock bootloader, flash twrp 3.0.2, flash xpower 3.0, and that's it. ......
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Ok thanks.....that sounds straight forward.....but isn't TWRP a ROM? (sorry, the moment I hear flashing...I think ROM)
And I am looking up xpower...not sure what that is (yet) and why do I need it
I do want xposed framework though.
I wish there was a simple straightforward answer
rajdude said:
Ok thanks.....that sounds straight forward.....but isn't TWRP a ROM? (sorry, the moment I hear flashing...I think ROM)
And I am looking up xpower...not sure what that is (yet) and why do I need it
I do want xposed framework though.
I wish there was a simple straightforward answer
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Twrp is your recovery,you flash through fastboot, xpower 3.0 is the ROM, just a pre-modded stock ROM with options of xperia x addons. Use lite and stock kernel for xpower and you'll be set.
still a little confused
civicsr2cool said:
Twrp is your recovery,you flash through fastboot, xpower 3.0 is the ROM, just a pre-modded stock ROM with options of xperia x addons. Use lite and stock kernel for xpower and you'll be set.
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Ok thanks! So my understanding (so far) is :
We "must" flash a ROM in order to root a phone. Did I get that correct?
Since I said I like the stock Sony ROM, you recommended the xpower 3.0 ROM.........but the point is.....I still have to flash ROM.
A little confused here...
I am a systems engineer (my day job). In Linux or Windows OS, if we want root access (to run some software or a low level command, like partitioning a disk etc), we either run SU command and put root's password OR right click and run as administrator......
We never have to install a brand new Operating System to get root access.
Just a total newbie question.....Why do we have do install a whole new OS (flash new ROM) on our Android phones to get root access?
rajdude said:
Ok thanks! So my understanding (so far) is :
We "must" flash a ROM in order to root a phone. Did I get that correct?
Since I said I like the stock Sony ROM, you recommended the xpower 3.0 ROM.........but the point is.....I still have to flash ROM.
A little confused here...
I am a systems engineer (my d Linux or Windows OS, if we want root access (to run some software or a low level command, like partitioning a disk etc), we either run SU command and put root's password OR right click and run as administrator......
We never have to install a brand new Operating System to get root access.
Just a total newbie question.....Why do we have do install a whole new OS (flash new ROM) on our Android phones to get root access?
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Android is Linux, to gain root in the ROM you have on your phone currently all you need is an unlocked bootloader to run SU, but then you'll be left with a phone that still needs a customized kernel to keep root and a DRM fix for the camera. Xpower 3.0 is that package.
You could really benefit from reading more. Google up on dm-verity and Sony Ric, and fastboot/adb for a little better understanding of what you're getting into without a pre compiled ROM. Messing around with any Android you'll have the majority of the same steps, unlock bootloader with fastboot, flash Supersu, customized kernel.. Etc
Why use a stable compiled ROM?
Let me list down and explain to you why it's best to use a stable compiled ROM. But first you need to understand these few things before you decide to unlock your bootloader and root.
Before Sony Z models kicked in, every rooted Sony device are still able to retain all the features that came together with the phone before it was rooted. When Sony introduce the first Z model, they start to create these things called DRM keys. DRM keys are unique algorithm (i guess i should put it that way) which is attached to every phone the same way an IMEI number is attached to every phone. In short, my DRM keys cannot be used on your phone and vice versa.
DRM key: It's a unique algorithm that holds all the unique features that an unrooted Sony phone boast such as camera quality, X-reality, High Res Audio etc etc.
The moment you unlock your bootloader, that's the moment your DRM keys will be lost. But don't panic, the wonderful devs on XDA have prepared a tool to backup your TA partition (a partition that contains your DRM key) for your own convenience if you want to relock your bootloader.
Then recently Sony/Android come up with new features called Sony RIC and dm-verity. (You may Google what these are all about but to my understanding it is placing limitations to people who root their phones to meddle around with the system settings of thier phone)
With all these "hurdles", it have taken some time for devs here to find a work around and like every fairytale ending, they manage to find a way.
Now you're wondering if you can actually root without flashing another rom. Good news for you: you can! There's a guide that will teach you how to actually root and apply the work around after unlocking your bootloader and rooting.
.. But ask yourself what's the point of going through the hassle of rooting and your phone is not tweaked for performance or for theming purposes?
That's when people flash roms and in Z5 compact's case, XPower is the best rom there is. It gives you all the performance tweak you need to make your phone lag free, it has a lite version that removes all the unnecessary system apps you can't delete without root, it gives you an option to add themes and framework from Xperia X with all those work around in place.
For your second question: why is there a need to install TWRP?
TWRP is a recovery tool which is a need for all rooted phone. It's also a tool for you to backup and restore your current rom so that you can rollback to the last working configuration if your phone went into a bootloop etc. Plus i believe all these guides require you to actually use TWRP to flash the SuperSU to successfully root your phone.
I hope this explains your doubts.
Thanks a lot but...
firdyRAY, thanks a lot for the comprehensive reply to my questions. And yes, it has shed a LOT of light on my doubts.
I googled Sony RIC and dm-verity:
I could not get find much on ric
Dm-verity seems to me a way to check if the boot image has been modified from the last boot, and if it has, stop from booting. Sounds like a good idea until we understand that to flash a ROM dm-verity needs to be bypassed/turned off.
So to compile what I have understood so far:
By unlocking bootloader, you lose DRM keys. There is a way to backup DRM keys which are in the TA partition, but this is to be done BEFORE you unlock bootloader. Good that I have not done anything to my X5c yet.
The next steps for me would be to look into XPower 3 ROM…which I did and here is what I found out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/development/rom-xpower-v1-0-aroma-debloat-custom-t3371100
First, what's up with the scary looking warning in RED right at the top of the first thread. I did read the OP and the second post, I did not see anything in there which IF I missed will cause my phone to explode! That is probably posted to make noobs read all instructions, right?
Second, I do not see any step in there to backup the DRM / TA partition. I guess the dev is assuming the phone already has lost the DRM, right? So I gotta find instructions on how to backup DRM / TA
Then I searched for problems in this ROM and seems to me that the fingerprint sensor is reported by many to be not working and/or buggy. I rely on the fingerprint sensor day and night. I have many apps which rely on that, like lastpass. That would be a major deal breaker for me.
So going back to stock ROM option…I remember you said "There's a guide that will teach you how to actually root and apply the work around after unlocking your bootloader and rooting."
Could you please post a link to that?
Thanks again!
I think this is a pretty great thread rajdude. It's getting people to spell out a lot of information to noobs like us that it seems most posters have taken for granted over time.
I'm a complete novice at all of this. Sort of gleaning information as I go along, but I used this guide: http://twigstechtips.blogspot.hk/2016/04/sony-z5-compact-root-without-losing-ta.html?m=0
Along with this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/general/guide-rooting-unlocking-bootloader-t3354307
The first guide is pretty basic step-by-step instructions. It unfortunately occasionally kind of skips over a couple very small things (that will be clear as you go along), or occasionally words things in such a way that might not be completely intuitive, but maybe that's cause I need things explained to me like I'm five sometimes. Any time I might have had a question about something in the the first guide, I went to the other and found the answer. It didn't take me long to get the gist of the whole thing though, and overall, it wasn't as scary as I thought it was going to be. It'd be fantastic if someone created a video walkthrough, but so far as I know, no one has done that yet.
The guide will help you back up your TA Partition where your DRM keys are stored, unlock your bootloader, root your device, and then restore your DRM keys. In order to do this you need to downgrade to Lollipop (if you're not already on it), and then upgrade back up to Marshmallow. It will also install TWRP (which I had no clue was installed until I went into "recovery mode" by pressing UP when I saw the LED flash yellow during boot). There may be an easier way to go about this whole process, but this is the process I used.
Before jumping into anything, I'd hold off until you heard more from firdyRAY or someone more experienced. They may look at the guide I linked and be horrified.
And yeah, I haven't installed xpower yet for the same reasons you haven't. Sounds like there's even an xpower 4.0 that was released recently, but still seems kinda buggy. Being rooted with stock I've been able to give Greenify access to root. Install Adaway (which was worth getting root to begin with). Install sound/music mods like DiVA-X, Viper4Android and Dolby Atmos. Install Titanium Backup. And make a few other minor tweaks (that I've since reversed). I still don't know much about custom ROMs and all that jazz, so I'm holding off until I get more understanding. I'd love to install the xpower ROM (when the bugs are worked out), and maybe some sort of sound ROM. I also need to get more understanding on some of the other vernacular like what exactly a "dirty flash" is.
rajdude said:
firdyRAY, thanks a lot for the comprehensive reply to my questions. And yes, it has shed a LOT of light on my doubts.
I googled Sony RIC and dm-verity:
I could not get find much on ric
Dm-verity seems to me a way to check if the boot image has been modified from the last boot, and if it has, stop from booting. Sounds like a good idea until we understand that to flash a ROM dm-verity needs to be bypassed/turned off.
So to compile what I have understood so far:
By unlocking bootloader, you lose DRM keys. There is a way to backup DRM keys which are in the TA partition, but this is to be done BEFORE you unlock bootloader. Good that I have not done anything to my X5c yet.
The next steps for me would be to look into XPower 3 ROM…which I did and here is what I found out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/development/rom-xpower-v1-0-aroma-debloat-custom-t3371100
First, what's up with the scary looking warning in RED right at the top of the first thread. I did read the OP and the second post, I did not see anything in there which IF I missed will cause my phone to explode! That is probably posted to make noobs read all instructions, right?
Second, I do not see any step in there to backup the DRM / TA partition. I guess the dev is assuming the phone already has lost the DRM, right? So I gotta find instructions on how to backup DRM / TA
Then I searched for problems in this ROM and seems to me that the fingerprint sensor is reported by many to be not working and/or buggy. I rely on the fingerprint sensor day and night. I have many apps which rely on that, like lastpass. That would be a major deal breaker for me.
So going back to stock ROM option…I remember you said "There's a guide that will teach you how to actually root and apply the work around after unlocking your bootloader and rooting."
Could you please post a link to that?
Thanks again!
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sony ric is a layer of security for sony roms so that they can protect nfc and fingerprint stuff. samsung and htc have there own variants as well.
yes lol the big red lettering is there to make you read, although hes not far off on the melting your phone part, the s810 is ridiculously hot.
the xpower thread doesnt not include the drm backup instructions because: 1) you need bootloader unlocked to flash it. and 2) because it includes the drm fix in it so you dont have to backup your ta keys.
the fingerprint sensor bug is on any bootloader unlocked phone, the hardware fails after x amount of hours and requires a reboot to work again. xpower is a stock rom, the only thing different is its pre-rooted, de-bloated, and deodexed for xposed to work. we have a separate thread for the fingerprint sensor bug and its been solved.
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firdyRAY, thanks a lot for the comprehensive reply to my questions. And yes, it has shed a LOT of light on my doubts.
I googled Sony RIC and dm-verity:
I could not get find much on ric
Dm-verity seems to me a way to check if the boot image has been modified from the last boot, and if it has, stop from booting. Sounds like a good idea until we understand that to flash a ROM dm-verity needs to be bypassed/turned off.
So to compile what I have understood so far:
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Sony RIC main function is to disable /system write even you got root permission(you still able to do /system write but after a reboot will restore to original). There is a workaround but very trouble, TWRP recovery file manager can bypass Sony RIC(it works in the old day for me, not sure about now). BTW, all 3rd kernel should be disabled RIC nowadays. For any regular computer, there is no hardware or software lock to prevent you gain root access in linux but there are many such trouble stuffs in the android world... lol
I'm running XPower 3.0 Full as a daily driver since June and been very happy. Battery life, stability and speed is good.
Please note, that you MAY lose your warranty when you lose your DRM keys. That's why I didn't unlocked my phone before there was a way to backup TA partition. Now I'm after warranty repair, and before it I was able to fully restore stock ROM with DRM and all features fully functional. In my country, there is only one Sony approved repair center and they check DRM keys before repairing anything - even if it's mechanical fault.
When I had Z1c in KitKat days, it didn't had dm-verity and Sony RIC. It was possible to gain permanent root with bootloader locked, so I was happily using stock ROM and kernel. In Z5c case, first thing I tried was to do the same and it was possible (just backup TA, unlock bootloader, and flash TWRP with patched kernel (dm-verity and Sony RIC disabled) to begin with), but going XPower way was much more confident - I didn't had to think about removing every bloat app. I just flashed lite version in June and I'm using it till this day without any problems at all
Another thing is that you lose OTA (Over-The-Air Update) functionality when you unlock bootloader and disable Sony RIC and dm-verity. Updating to newer versions of firmware, even on stock ROM is problematic when you modify it.
michuroztocz said:
Another thing is that you lose OTA (Over-The-Air Update) functionality when you unlock bootloader and disable Sony RIC and dm-verity. Updating to newer versions of firmware, even on stock ROM is problematic when you modify it.
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It's simply not possible. If you are rooted you can't apply OTA updates and neither should you.
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It's simply not possible. If you are rooted you can't apply OTA updates and neither should you.
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That's just what I wrote - just put it in another words
Hello,
Recently the forced upgrade of the Sony Xperia X OS to Oreo destroyed certain functionalities which were critical to my phone's utility. Functionalities for which I had indeed selected and purchased the phone in the first place. Having suffered similar problems in the past, I postponed the upgrade for weeks and sought advice from Sony on declining the update. Of course they said this was not an option and that my files would be unaffected, and of course this was false information.
As someone on the Autism spectrum, I have always struggled with digital merchandise and the tendency for suppliers to alter their products after I have purchased them. It is necessary for me to have consistency, and to be able to organize things in a certain way without worry of having them altered. I familiarize myself with how to use the product and then, silently, menus change, operations reorganize themselves entirely and it becomes difficult to perform the basic tasks that I have learned at great personal difficulty to navigate on my device already. This is a big problem. I do not want the latest and the greatest. I want consistency. I want my device to continue operating as it did when I purchased it less than a year ago.
All of this is to say that when the latest update destroyed the very things that gave my phone value to me and for which I had painstakingly selected it, I was thrown into a mild state of panic. After confirming with Sony that the upgrade was irreversible, and finding no other alternative, I elected to purchase the very same phone that I already owned for a second time, knowing that the Operating System would not yet have been upgraded.
The problem, now, is how to use the phone without risking the same forced OS upgrade and rendering the repurchase entirely pointless.
My understanding is that the only way to accomplish this would be to root the new phone. Please correct me if I am wrong. Given my circumstances, I have always seemed an obvious candidate for rooting my devices in order to maintain control of operations. Unfortunately I am not very technically inclined, and Root tutorials simply bamboozle me with their jargon. Given the sensitive nature of the rooting process, in that it seems very easy to make a misstep or run into complications, I have been excluded from taking advantage of this obvious solution.
Yet here I am, with a brand new phone that I cannot use unless I am able find a way to prevent the Operating System from updating.
My questions are:
Is there any way to block OS updates without rooting, that I am unaware of?
If rooting is the only method, what is the safest way that a layman like myself might confidently pursue this route?
Thank you for your time.
wynden said:
My questions are:
Is there any way to block OS updates without rooting, that I am unaware of?
If rooting is the only method, what is the safest way that a layman like myself might confidently pursue this route?
Thank you for your time.
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No. But if I remember correctly, you can just not update your phone. Or you can try to unpack the firmware, edit it manually, delete the app which updates your system, repack the firmware and flash it. Or you can freeze it through ADB... But, the best way, of course, is root.
It's quite easy if you'll follow the instructions.
In short:
Flash Android 6.0 through Flashtool. Not as hard as it sounds, but it's mandratory.
Save your TA partition. One bat-script on Android 6.0 with locked bootloader, and you are ready.
Unlocking your bootloader. Sony have their own instructions which are pretty easy to follow.
Delete the app which updates your system. The easiest step.
Last: if something went wrong with your hardware - just relock your bootloader with the keys you've backed up - and you have your phone in a factory new condition!
Good luck! Ask here if you need any additional information!
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No. But if I remember correctly, you can just not update your phone.
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Gray, thank you for your reply. It does not seem that just not updating is an option, as the phone keeps harassing the user to download the update, and there is no way to disable those push notifications, as far as I am aware.
In short:
Flash Android 6.0 through Flashtool. Not as hard as it sounds, but it's mandratory.
Save your TA partition. One bat-script on Android 6.0 with locked bootloader, and you are ready.
Unlocking your bootloader. Sony have their own instructions which are pretty easy to follow.
Delete the app which updates your system. The easiest step.
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I appreciate the summary, but I don't know what a flash tool is, or a TA partition, or a bat-script, or a bootloader, etc. This is why I feel unqualified to tackle such a sensitive operation. I have googled instructions on rooting, but since I do not understand what is being asked of me, I cannot proceed. What is the best way for a layman who is easily overwhelmed to familiarize themselves with the technology to become reliably competent at tackling such a project?
Last: if something went wrong with your hardware - just relock your bootloader with the keys you've backed up - and you have your phone in a factory new condition!
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My understanding was that a root was irreversible. This is a major contributor to my trepidation. Is this not the case?
Additionally, I have gathered from various forums that the process of rooting Xperia has been particularly problematic and frequently unsuccessful. Do you know if there is any truth to this? I would not have a clue what to do if I encountered a problem.
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Gray, thank you for your reply. It does not seem that just not updating is an option, as the phone keeps harassing the user to download the update, and there is no way to disable those push notifications, as far as I am aware.
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It's only a push notification, and it can easily be ignored. But it's very annoying, I know.
wynden said:
I appreciate the summary, but I don't know what a flash tool is, or a TA partition, or a bat-script, or a bootloader, etc. This is why I feel unqualified to tackle such a sensitive operation. I have googled instructions on rooting, but since I do not understand what is being asked of me, I cannot proceed. What is the best way for a layman who is easily overwhelmed to familiarize themselves with the technology to become reliably competent at tackling such a project?
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The best way is to try to find a person who is familiar with Sony devices - then you'll have less chances to break something. If you don't have anyone familiar with Sony - then XDA have some good threads (this or this, for example) for self-learning.
My own experience with rooting, tweaking, making things started with bootloader unlocking, and my only helpers were guides and members of one famous Russian geek forums. So, maybe soon you'll join this community as a full member. Who knows ;^)
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My understanding was that a root was irreversible. This is a major contributor to my trepidation. Is this not the case?
Additionally, I have gathered from various forums that the process of rooting Xperia has been particularly problematic and frequently unsuccessful. Do you know if there is any truth to this? I would not have a clue what to do if I encountered a problem.
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Root is reversible, so do bootloader unlocking. A little bit complicated, but possible.
Yes, and as someone mentioned there, in terms of security Sony is an Apple of Android world here. Their devices are hardest to modify, they are overcosted, but there is nothing impossible.
So, in short:
You have two ways:
You can downgrade your phone, ignore that push notifications and keep your phone intact.
You can unlock your bootloader, root your phone and delete the app that updates your phone.
P.S. If I remember correctly, there was a way to "freeze" (force app to stop all of its activity) this app without rooting, unlocking, and so on. If I'll find it - I'll share it here
Thank you for your reply.
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It's only a push notification, and it can easily be ignored. But it's very annoying, I know.
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No, not at least not in my case. Moreover it is only too easy to accidentally enable it when you are trying to do something else, entirely.
Thank you for directing me to those links, I will investigate the guides and see if they are any more illuminating than others I have read. I do not have a personal acquaintance familiar with Sony devices, unfortunately. They seem rather hard to come by even online.
If Sony devices are, indeed, the hardest to modify, then I feel my apprehension is justified. Is it wise to proceed without a technical expert to consult? Is there anyplace where I might find help if I need it? How likely is it that I will do irreparable damage to the device?
You can downgrade your phone, ignore that push notifications and keep your phone intact
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When you say "downgrade", do you refer to restricting the second model I purchased to the OS it came with, or do you mean to suggest that my original phone can be downgraded? I had been told that even with root an OS update could not be reversed.
P.S. If I remember correctly, there was a way to "freeze" (force app to stop all of its activity) this app without rooting, unlocking, and so on. If I'll find it - I'll share it here
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That is definitely something I would be interested in exploring before proceeding with more drastic alternatives. If you have any suggestions as to where I might look for more information, please do let me know.
Again, thank you very much for your help and correspondence in this matter. It is greatly appreciated.
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Is it wise to proceed without a technical expert to consult? Is there anyplace where I might find help if I need it? How likely is it that I will do irreparable damage to the device?
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1. If you've learned everything from the threads and you are following instuctions step-by-step - then yes, it is OK.
2. The great place to find a man who can help you is to check some local repair shops (especially ones where you can repair Sony phones) and make some good relations with a local master/technician. If something went wrong - they'll fix it! Plus if you make friends with them, I'm sure they will help you in such a hard procedure.
3. Only one thing is irreparable - DRM keys. So, you must save them before doing anything. Everything else can be fixed pretty easily.
wynden said:
When you say "downgrade", do you refer to restricting the second model I purchased to the OS it came with, or do you mean to suggest that my original phone can be downgraded? I had been told that even with root an OS update could not be reversed.
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Thankfully, it can be reversed - it's Android after all. There's a special program for doing updates and downgrades - it's called Flashtool. And, of course, you can downgrade your phone to 6.0 without unlocking bootloader with this program. There you can download an OS and here is a complete video how to flash your device through it.
wynden said:
That is definitely something I would be interested in exploring before proceeding with more drastic alternatives. If you have any suggestions as to where I might look for more information, please do let me know.
Again, thank you very much for your help and correspondence in this matter. It is greatly appreciated.
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Sure!
Good luck in Flashtool using!
P.S. It looks like you can stop downloading your OS update.
When you'll downgrade to 6.0, go to Updater app -> Settings -> Automatic updates download -> OFF. Boom, only notification left.
SONY IS THE APPLE OF ANDROID ( WELL SAID) (Y)
its a Cryptex scroll, one key wrong and the secret is destroyed for ever!
as 8 years Sony Xperias user coming from various devices, era, and Security policies of SONY here what i have found
1. SE phones were the easiest to root , Pre 2012 (last known device Xperia Ion)
2. 2013, Z series launched and thru out life of Z (c6602 / C6603 ) rooting was Piece of cake
3. then came Z3 with Devil in the Details. Sony Started using DRMKEYS (Digitial Rights Managment Keys) the are Stored in Hidden Partition and Every time you wana use Premium features (which you paid for) ( such as Image Enhancement Features withing Camera and Movie Player) (Blue Tooth 5 technology) ( FastCharge options) ( SD cards above 32Gb support) and much more, Xperia will ask KERNEL to Check where DRM KEYS are Instated or not. if Kernel output is 1 then all these features works perfect.
4. Z3, Z3+ Z4v , Z5 and Finally Z5p etc landed in hands having LP (android lollypop) kernels (KK for Z3) and KINGROOT was able to Find Android Exploits and used to Root easily! however from MM kernel, when SONY gripped its security with SONY RIC, every attempt from KINGROOT to root Xperia went on BOOTLOOPS. hence the only way to ROOT sony was to FLASH MODIFIED KERNEL. and to FLASH MODIFIED kernel you must UNLOCK the BOOTLOADER and when you do that, TA partition will be WIPED and you will loose you DRM KEYS FOREVER. even when you root your Stockrom and have /system access, failure kernel finding drmkeys will always make your sony device entry level droid.
5. A fresh breeze , when DIRTY COW script found this exploit in MM kernel when newly purchased Xperia (like X) came in to your hands having Android 6.01, just connect it to WIndows PC, enable usb debugging and run the TA Backup Script AKA dirtycow script and it will SPEW this TA-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxx.img file (2mb) in the same folder! run it more than one! it will spew same file with different timestamp in that same folder. So now you have something SONY never wanted you to have!
6. More Over a very amazing Kernel Modding script called ROOTKERNEL SCRIPT by @tobias.waldvogel was primed and later taken over by @serajr which basically takes given kernel.elf file from the downloaded Stockrom and switch off all securties and add line in kernel to always prompt all SONY APPS for the existance of DRM KEYS Provisioned! even if they arent. this scripted supported z3, z3+, z4v, Z5c, X5 , z5p, X, Xc, Xperf, Xz and XZs from kernels LP, MM, N and O making whole drm keys concept mockery for Sony.
7. from XZP sony changed the way drm works and now for every device there is hidden location where you cannot know and even if you add line in kernel to point memory block for existing drmkeys. it will fail so kernel fix for DRM is gone. However the controversial commercialized xperifix by member name //storm does the job.
coming back to you
your X falls under the glory period of numerious options and fixes where not only drmfix is possible in kernel but also you can extract your drm keys TA.img and one day you can use to relock your bootloader !
I would suggest you to
1. use dirtycow script! extract TA.img
2. unlock boodloader
3. ROOT your MM kernel , disable all software updates!
4. relock the bootloader using that same TA.img (if you want)
and i agree! all sony devices came in my hands were always the BEST with the OS; they left the FACTORY! later it was just unfinished Roms to SUPPORT its successors! , for X the OREO is horrible! its designed to Support XZ2 and XZP but since the tree starts from X so they had to include X also.
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For X the OREO is horrible! its designed to Support XZ2 and XZP but since the tree starts from X so they had to include X also.
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Completely disagree with you. Oreo for X is the best stock ROM I've used so far. Stable, fast, battery life friendly, secured and just ideal. Why do you think it is bad?
BTW I've used XZ2 less than a week ago, both of them runs almost equal. So...
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The great place to find a man who can help you is to check some local repair shops
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I was unable to locate a mobile repair shop anywhere near me, although that is what I had initially hoped I would be able to do. Still, I expect they would take exception with me if I wanted them to assist me in doing something that the manufacturers disallow, so I don't know that it would have helped.
It is news to me that the phone can be downgraded, contrary to what Sony informed me. Do you think it would be better for me to go this route before attempting a root?
I suspect a root will still be necessary, if only because it will continue prompting me to update. You mentioned that I can turn Automatic updates off, but I believe what you are referring to is a setting I had already enforced. I made sure that the phone does not automatically download the updates in the settings, but it nonetheless harasses me with push notifications that I cannot dismiss.
Thanks again for directing me to these resources and helping me begin to understand the nuances of what I'm attempting.
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coming back to you
your X falls under the glory period of numerious options and fixes where not only drmfix is possible in kernel but also you can extract your drm keys TA.img and one day you can use to relock your bootloader !
I would suggest you to
1. use dirtycow script! extract TA.img
2. unlock boodloader
3. ROOT your MM kernel , disable all software updates!
4. relock the bootloader using that same TA.img (if you want)
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Thank you for the overview, it does help me better understand the conflicting information I have been finding online, and your remarks about the X are very reassuring and do give me some confidence and hope for success. Are there any simplified, step-by-step tutorials for implementing this method that you have recommended, which you could direct me to? Figuring out which one to follow is one of my primary points of confusion.
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Completely disagree with you. Oreo for X is the best stock ROM I've used so far. Stable, fast, battery life friendly, secured and just ideal. Why do you think it is bad?
BTW I've used XZ2 less than a week ago, both of them runs almost equal. So...
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Third generation of Oreo for Sony X is less horrible .2.50 but still heatsup more than Nougat and starts hanging, lagging. Since I reside in a country where its 45C usually,for me Nougat .0.252 (came dec2017) was the best rom!
wynden said:
Thank you for the overview, it does help me better understand the conflicting information I have been finding online, and your remarks about the X are very reassuring and do give me some confidence and hope for success. Are there any simplified, step-by-step tutorials for implementing this method that you have recommended, which you could direct me to? Figuring out which one to follow is one of my primary points of confusion.
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I own X so Trust me The device is over all LOVE,
1. the modified kernels, instruction, Trivia can be found in my post https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-x/how-to/root-xperia-x-f5122-android-n-34-2-2-47-t3594502
2. BASIC INFO about Xperias, Unlocking bootloader and using Dirtycow Script MUST BE READ at https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72141176&postcount=7
3. Since you are on Android MM, Enable usb Debugging from Developer Options and run Dirtycow Script - FULL GUIDE at
https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/universal-dirtycow-based-ta-backup-t3514236
4. The Only Shepard for flashing Xperias EVEN when Sony's own Xperia Compainion Fails (many times) to flash your device is THE FLASHTOOL, www.flashtool.net , once boot is unlocked! sony will no longer recognize your device. Flashtool has inbuilt Xperfirm and you can download firmwares of all device across time (selective)
(literature)
. A very Promising Detailed, Library level guide by @DHGE on DRM KEYS CONCEPT at https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=70504721&postcount=2
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Third generation of Oreo for Sony X is less horrible .2.50 but still heatsup more than Nougat and starts hanging, lagging. Since I reside in a country where its 45C usually,for me Nougat .0.252 (came dec2017) was the best rom!
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That's strange. My phone was fast as hell on all of the Oreo ROMs. Maybe I haven't noticed any heatups, because I have the latest revision (and mfg date is 06.2017) and everything is OK with the hardware there, so it just CAN'T heat up in my case...
Anyways, maybe you should try XGEN + FSC + Debloater?)
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That's strange. My phone was fast as hell on all of the Oreo ROMs. Maybe I haven't noticed any heatups, because I have the latest revision (and mfg date is 06.2017) and everything is OK with the hardware there, so it just CAN'T heat up in my case...
Anyways, maybe you should try XGEN + FSC + Debloater?)
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I am actually on Xgen which is built on latest! its bit cooler and makes me survive the lagging!
the temperature in my country goes up to 50C
A few suggestions:
Turning off notifications:
(not certain it applies to those "forced" notifications by the update app, but I suspect if you disable the "fota service" and "fota application" [search for similar terms] it'll stop being displayed)
https://www.digitaltrends.com/android/how-to-turn-off-notifications-in-android/
https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/how-t...how-disable-notifications-in-android-3614881/
In any case - you can attempt to disable the (most likely) offending apps, being the "fota" components via adb:
(for this you need to enable "USB debugging" via "developer options": Settings -> about phone -> Build number -> Tap 7 times)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3eav7t/get_rid_of_unwanted_system_apps_adb_shell_pm_hide/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/disable-apps-root-disabled-disable-t3491624
https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/56620/enable-and-disable-system-apps-via-adb
Doing it the root way would be installing Magisk (= root) and purchasing & installing "Titanium Backup root" + the "Titanium Backup PRO Key root".
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xp...peria-x-to-t3785135/post76404647#post76404647
How exactly to do that:
others please chime in
Hope that helps in any way
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In any case - you can attempt to disable the (most likely) offending apps, being the "fota" components via adb:
(for this you need to enable "USB debugging" via "developer options": Settings -> about phone -> Build number -> Tap 7 times)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3eav7t/get_rid_of_unwanted_system_apps_adb_shell_pm_hide/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/disable-apps-root-disabled-disable-t3491624
https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/56620/enable-and-disable-system-apps-via-adb
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That's what I was looking for. IMHO this is the best variant if you don't want to upgrade or unlock your bootloader. You should give it a try!
Do not worry
good afternoon
Since you have a "limitation" I will try to guide you as best as possible in what you want to do.
I do not know how the "spectrum of autism" works, but if I'm too technical, you can mention it and I can try to break down a bit more what I'm trying to say.
First, Sony as a company that creates devices with "updates" will always sell the idea that the updates are irreversible, is common and normal in the software and telecommunications companies so it goes without saying that they "destroyed your phone " second: no, it was not necessary to buy another phone, with which you had the problem could be solved only if it is normal that among "non-technical" users are at a crossroads when updates make notable changes to the system and often create confusion.
Now, your simplest solution is to find a trustworthy technical service that can return your phone to a later version for which you are more familiar. probably this version is the initial with which the phone came at the time of its release to the market, in this case with xperia x was 6.0.1 named with its own name as "marsmallow".
then, if what you want is to try to solve it for yourself there is a lot of information in this forum, very helpful and in some cases quite explained so that less experienced users manage to make various changes or modifications to their phones.
take it easy, an update does not damage your phone, it is understandable that you feel fear or disappointment but these things that you tell us that happened to you with your phone have a solution, if you want more information I can help you through this means. or you can read and inform yourself about everything that goes with it.
Finally, words like: fastboot, root, flashtools, are just slang for processes that are not usually so complicated, there are even videos on YouTube that explain them very detailed.
luck and I hope your problem can be solved :laugh:
PS: I'm sorry for my bad English
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good afternoon
Since you have a "limitation" I will try to guide you as best as possible in what you want to do.
I do not know how the "spectrum of autism" works, but if I'm too technical, you can mention it and I can try to break down a bit more what I'm trying to say.
First, Sony as a company that creates devices with "updates" will always sell the idea that the updates are irreversible, is common and normal in the software and telecommunications companies so it goes without saying that they "destroyed your phone " second: no, it was not necessary to buy another phone, with which you had the problem could be solved only if it is normal that among "non-technical" users are at a crossroads when updates make notable changes to the system and often create confusion.
Now, your simplest solution is to find a trustworthy technical service that can return your phone to a later version for which you are more familiar. probably this version is the initial with which the phone came at the time of its release to the market, in this case with xperia x was 6.0.1 named with its own name as "marsmallow".
then, if what you want is to try to solve it for yourself there is a lot of information in this forum, very helpful and in some cases quite explained so that less experienced users manage to make various changes or modifications to their phones.
take it easy, an update does not damage your phone, it is understandable that you feel fear or disappointment but these things that you tell us that happened to you with your phone have a solution, if you want more information I can help you through this means. or you can read and inform yourself about everything that goes with it.
Finally, words like: fastboot, root, flashtools, are just slang for processes that are not usually so complicated, there are even videos on YouTube that explain them very detailed.
luck and I hope your problem can be solved :laugh:
PS: I'm sorry for my bad English
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your English is perfect <3 WOW!
please convert my graffiti, gibberish instructions to your perfect English Guide <3
1 . https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72141176&postcount=7 ( wrote few months ago)
2. https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=76429289&postcount=7 ( wrote recently)
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Gray47Maxx said:
That's strange. My phone was fast as hell on all of the Oreo ROMs. Maybe I haven't noticed any heatups, because I have the latest revision (and mfg date is 06.2017) and everything is OK with the hardware there, so it just CAN'T heat up in my case...
Anyways, maybe you should try XGEN + FSC + Debloater?)
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I am too facing problems in oreo, and will probably go bak to 6 for more mods / better battery life