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Hi guys,
This question is bouncing on my mind for some time...
Many people state that they use darktremor a2sd on Cyanogenmod, and I'm wondering why?
Darktremor's objective is to move apps to SD, right?
Well, Cyanogenmod also allows us to do the same, right again?
Sooooo, why use darktremor on Cyanogenmod?
Thanks in advance
I'm also wondering about the difference if I was to use darktremor's script. I noticed the default Apps2SD would not completely transfer the app to the sd card (for example, if I transferred a 20mb game, it's reported that around 1mb is still left in the internal memory), hence the amount of apps I could install on my ace is very limited. Would using darktremor's script solve this?
Apps2SD (the one in Froyo and CM) moves most or some (depending one the application) data under /sdcard/.android_secure and /sdcard/Android/.
It'll leave behind some files in the internal memory.
A2SD (and S2E and Link2SD) moves the ENTIRE application (app files, data files, dalvik-cache) to a separate partition on the SD Card, then links the apks to the filesystem (linking is Linux term for making a shortcut).
Another advantage of this is the bugs present in native apps2sd -- such as widgets not appearing after a reboot -- are not present in a2sd method. This is because of a mount script executed during the booting process.
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scripts like dt a2sd tricks/fools the android to use sd-ext partition as an internal memory...
that's why when you use apps2sd(one that you can use from the app info menu) just moves a little part of the app to sd card while scripts like a2sd moves the whole data to the ext partition..
But I have to create a partition before I flash dt or link2sd? Or it is a virtual partition that the program creates? Is it really worth to use dt or link2sd?
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Yes, you need to create a partition on your SD card (512MB is more than enough). The easiest way is to just partition through CWM Recovery (under Advanced, I think). It'll automatically create an ext3 partition of your choice size (also swap, if you want swapspace).
Don't be deterred by ext3 because it's lower than ext4; it's actually much more stable.
Is it worth it? Very, if you know what you're doing. As long as you don't mess around with the partition, say when you plug in USB mass storage mode to the computer, it should be fine.
My ace never appears on my cpu as a drive. Dunno what is the prob.
Anyway... how do I format my sd after it is partioned? To delete the partition ..
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Darktremor's a2sd and CM kernel...
I've had some damage to my phone. More details over at my post in General questions.
My damaged unit. SK17i My consideration for replacement. MK16i. From Xperia Mini Pro to Xperia Pro. (For the price difference, it seems for the hardware upgrade to get the bigger unit.)
My basic setup? Custom Kernel with root and a2sd.
Problem. There seems no Custom Kernel but one... bbooff's. (Waiting to here if it also will support the a2sd of darktremor.)
I came across CM being available already for the MK16i.
Problem. I just use root & a2sd. Suites my simple needs. I don't do Custom Roms at present. My need is for a stable communication device.
When I got my SK17i. I read that there was a clash between CM and a2sd. Has this then been cleared up? (Fully? For those CM users who may know. I'm a noob to Android.)
Is it possible, from instructions I read on getting CM on the MK16i there's a CM kernel that must be installed 1st, to just use the CM kernel and Stock Rom?
I am just thinking maybe there will be some clash here? Then maybe not? I know the forum instructions did clearly say stock Kernel is incompatible with CM. That may be about some features CM wants to use. Stock Rom simply may not access any 'bonus' features of CM Rom but will there be a problem otherwise?
Anyone who knows more about Android... maybe have an idea?
My setup and use is pretty basic, pretty simple and no, I do not want those apps2sd programs that don't use an Ext partition and don't 'fool' the system into thinking it's running the programs on the system partition.
Well, looking for information. I would rather get the MK16i. Nice bit of kit, but I also firmly want the same basic little setup I've got here but there seems at the moment to be few Custom Kernel's for this device and I am not even about to try to roll my own. Wouldn't know where to begin.
Well, for those who is already using a large /data, please ignore this.
For those who need an easy access to install a lot of apps with limited /data confused: 320M available on phone??? 10 games could fill that space!!)
Please read the following, and try on your own risk.
----Let me tell a story first----
My girl nees a lot of apps on her Ray, and is always complaining about the limited space on /data, and asked if I can make her phone a large /data like my Desire. Well, I have searched a lot without any appliable methods, or I was just fooling around?
Indeed, links2sd is appliable, but that is annoying if you need lots of apps, some of which can be hardly moved to sd.
Could there be an easy access? After that I started to try those scripts that I tried for my Desire. I have tried custom MTD partition method, but there is no Recovery that supports MTD, and SONY itself could not be easily make customed MTD.
So I tried 10+ scripts to mount /data on EXT(one by one!), from a normal apps2sd script, apps2sdx, etc., all prove invalid or some just make her Ray brick.
Every time Ray refused to boot, I have to restore /system, then tried another script.
Finally, I found this, mounts2sd script.
Sorry I forget whose this script it belongs to. I just borrowed it and it worked well on Ray, at least on her Ray, now she gets about 60 non-system apps...
----End of my story----
Main steps include:
1. partition SD-CARD. an EXT partition is needed. I gave her a 1G ext4, possibly large enough for about 100 apps.
(ps. your SD-card is better to be a fast one, like Class6+; I gave her a Class 10 Kingston...)
2. install your rom, and a bootable 3rd-party boot other than the original one. I tried this on official ICS rom with a moded boot with touch recovery, sorry I forget which it was, but the boot must be int.d supportive. (PS: the BOOT I used for the Official ICS ROM is in post #4.)
3. **an Nandroid Backup is strongly recommended before flasing this zip.**
4. flash this zip View attachment mounts2sd-signed.zip without any wipe. Then restart and see if it works.
*5. if this didn't work or caused any problem on boot, please restore at least /system. Perhaps this script isnot appliable for your Ray or just your boot.
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Pleas try this on your own risk, and report back so that other users know whether it could work.
Sorry for my poor English. Hope what I've written intelligible.
I'll update this this thread on post #2
reserve this for updates. Forgive me...
which rom and kernal you tested?
because my ray cannot see ext-partition on sdcard after try
The BOOT I used.
Nekkab25 said:
which rom and kernal you tested?
because my ray cannot see ext-partition on sdcard after try
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Sorry for the delay.
I tried the early-leaked official ICS 4.1.A.0.562.
Please find the boot.img I used in attachment.
View attachment boot.rar
sorry but i can't understand how did you do it
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sorry but i can't understand how did you do it
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Well, after you got your Ray BL-unlocked (and maybe rooted), you can flash any BOOT.img in fastboot, then flash official ICS rom(in zip format, you can search it yourself), with that BOOT (the one in Post #4) or any other BOOT that support int.d, you can try flashing the package in #1 in recovery without any wipe, then reboot your Ray and see...
I messed around with this in the past and even tried changing the partition sizes on the Ray - all with less than ideal outcomes and I eventually gave up.
All I do now (on ICS) is go into apps, select one and hit 'Move to SD Card' - large apps are automatically installed on SD Card if they won't fit on internal memory. Currently have 231MB of apps on phone and 332MB on the SD card - and all the SD card is usable, I've not 'lost' space to the non-windows writable partition that isn't being used at that time.
Don't think there's any "Right" way of doing it, but I just found this easier than messing around with partitioning.
hartej said:
I messed around with this in the past and even tried changing the partition sizes on the Ray - all with less than ideal outcomes and I eventually gave up.
All I do now (on ICS) is go into apps, select one and hit 'Move to SD Card' - large apps are automatically installed on SD Card if they won't fit on internal memory. Currently have 231MB of apps on phone and 332MB on the SD card - and all the SD card is usable, I've not 'lost' space to the non-windows writable partition that isn't being used at that time.
Don't think there's any "Right" way of doing it, but I just found this easier than messing around with partitioning.
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That's why I said this to be a method for lazier persons like me and my girl.
She doesn't mind the EXT partition "eating up" 1G of her SD card leaving it "unfunctionable", and the card I gave her Ray is fast enough to run the apps and large enough for her.
Seems this method is more complex than link2sd.
Link2sd can run on rooted stock rom (locked bootloader) with ext support.
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Bugeca said:
Seems this method is more complex than link2sd.
Link2sd can run on rooted stock rom (locked bootloader) with ext support.
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Well, Link2sd is an app... Mounts2sd is a script, to a large extent.
I'm Not going to debate about their advantages or disadvantages.
Just share my experience with you...
you using wrong way i think friends
i think using another way is fastly..
u can use which rom u want but you have to delete what you dont want from ROM Memory..
You can use Root Explorer for this job.
For exp. I use Rayonium Rom already have about 150 mb free.. But i delete gmaps gtalk and some unusefull addons for me and i save about 250 mb.
Then there are some applicatioons which i won't delete anytime for example my special launcher, dolphin brow. some newspapers , mp3 players , markets, video players .. photo applications and etc what you want..
You will move from internal memory/ data/ app / to
Rom memory system / app /
Then it mean those applications will be in ur Custom Rom so if you wipe factory reset you wont lose your applications..
If you wanna use this way and still cant understand how to do i can explain it much better.. Hope u thx
You move only application which you can't move SD card...
emosis said:
i think using another way is fastly..
u can use which rom u want but you have to delete what you dont want from ROM Memory..
You can use Root Explorer for this job.
For exp. I use Rayonium Rom already have about 150 mb free.. But i delete gmaps gtalk and some unusefull addons for me and i save about 250 mb.
Then there are some applicatioons which i won't delete anytime for example my special launcher, dolphin brow. some newspapers , mp3 players , markets, video players .. photo applications and etc what you want..
You will move from internal memory/ data/ app / to
Rom memory system / app /
Then it mean those applications will be in ur Custom Rom so if you wipe factory reset you wont lose your applications..
If you wanna use this way and still cant understand how to do i can explain it much better.. Hope u thx
You move only application which you can't move SD card...
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I quite understand your method. Rooted ROM has lots of freedom in apps, but I just put forward my alternative method to make it easier for those lazy guys like me and my girl who don't want the trouble of moving apps to anywhere and just keep it default. By the way, some apps can't be simply moved to ROM, eg. Titanium Backup, it causes FC if you move it to rom, also hope you could understand.
Of course, this method needs extra space on the SD card, along with its requirement of the SD-card's R/W speed...
Anyway, thanks for discussion...
this my favorite tricks for get more space internal memory, i installed 70 apps, and free memory is 41mb,. Simple and stable guys....
How to configure :
1- after installing a rom configure link2sd and choose link auto
2- install EVERY app on internal memory and after link, if some goes to sdcard move it to internal and after that you can create a link
3- sometimes i go to link2sd>menu button>more: relink all apk files, relink all lib files, link dalvik cache and clean dalvik cache
after you link a apk if want to see the real free space you'll need to reboot the phone... Link2sd is a great app i think thats better than int2ext scripts but you need to learn how to use correctly, with time you get it !!
Tried...but tired of this link2sd stuff...
I don't like at all link2sd. Cronmod Script is better :good:
i like link 2 sd..
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Rhievaldo do you have to always install in internal first?
It put it on internal then link it and clear the space with link2sd. If you don't use many apps etc you should not even bother with link2sd in my opinion even tho its super easy to setup following instructions.
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Rhievaldo do you have to always install in internal first?
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Yes, otherwise some apps with native App2SD support will be linked with android native A2SD method and uses more internal space.
If you put them to internal they will be moved with link2sd to sdext partition of sdcard after the app is installed.
link2SD
I have a Galaxy Ace GT5839i which is rooted. I installed link2SD and have moved many of my apps to the second SD partition, but now several of the apps which require to write to the SD fail to work. For example the Sygic navigation app fails with "SD card access denied", when I try to open files in Dropbox I get "Storage full or unavailable", when I try to save a file from Ted, a simple text editor, I get "Can't use this folder because it isn't writeable". I have looked at the permissions of most files and subfolders in the SD both using file managers and from the command line (ls -l filename) and they appear to be writeable (most have rwxrwxrwx or rwxrwxr-x). How can I regain write functionality for my apps?
Chris
link2sd
I have used Link2sd for ages with different ROMs (currently CM-11 nightly jenkins) but now Link2sd only half works. dex files are initially linked but are named incorrectly and are regenerated on boot so if you delete them they come back to haunt you next time. If you don't delete them you run out of space fast. I tried making links to the links manually and it sort of worked but was fiddly as hell and in the end I found a new option.
Mounts2SD.
I admit it can lag the phone slightly and reboots are only successful every 1 in 5 times but eventually it will turn on and it will work and the space advantages of using it mean you can more or less install what you like.
I would like to say that what I said earlier about lag and reboots was correct at the time but I was running a very unstable rom but now with Mr Mardon's latest cm11 rom, which is far superior with a customised kernel, I have found that with Mounts2SD the phone boots up reliably now, and when I changed to a better i/o scheduler (zen) and badass controller there is hardly any discernible lag at all.
So a serious thumbs up for Mount2SD, which is excellent, thumbs down for Link2sd, which used to be good. It reminds me of back in the day when you could still use s2e, except this actually works without flopping over unexpectedly.
Mount2sd is like a magic wand waved over your phone while Link2sd is like a bad workman that sits chatting to you while drinking your tea all day then only gets half the job done, charges you double, then leaves a pile of bricks on your driveway.
Mugz2 said:
I don't like at all link2sd. Cronmod Script is better :good:
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Hi, do you mind briefly describe how nice is the "Cronmod Script" ?
I am also looking any nice app as my 5830 keep on yelling low memory T.T
Hi guys, so I've got this tablet for free with my new contract and I want to root it to play a bit with it . Do you guys have any idea how to do it ? I haven't managed to find any tutorials on the web .
Vonino Onyx QS root request
+1 on this issue.
I too have a Vonino Onyx QS tablet running on Android 4.4.2. The device is decent enough, but storage management is awful! Despite being advertised as an 8 GB tablet in terms of storage, the Onyx QS runs aground at about 900 MB of installed apps (including related data and cache) and starts yelling that there is "Insufficient storage available". This renders the tablet virtually unusable after installing just a few essential apps. Emails stop working, apps will no longer update and data-intensive apps such as Google Earth will simply refuse to run. The 32 GB external SD card I've added makes no difference. It's almost like the OS has no clue what to do with it.
I suck at Android. However, after a lot of digging for pieces of information I've come to undersand that these devices use separate partitions for the apps and other files. Some folks have also hinted towards the fact that the puny 0.9 GB app partition can be resized on a rooted device by means of a partition management app. Or apps could at least be moved to the SD card right before their installation (making use of an app such as Link2SD and, again, a rooted device).
This bring us full circle back to the OP's request: could someone please create and explain a rooting method for this tablet?
Just so you know, these are fresh screenshots of this fresh factory reset configuration. Thought it would fix the problem, but it didn't.
SilentGTX said:
Hi guys, so I've got this tablet for free with my new contract and I want to root it to play a bit with it . Do you guys have any idea how to do it ? I haven't managed to find any tutorials on the web .
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Muravey said:
+1 on this issue.
I too have a Vonino Onyx QS tablet running on Android 4.4.2. The device is decent enough, but storage management is awful! Despite being advertised as an 8 GB tablet in terms of storage, the Onyx QS runs aground at about 900 MB of installed apps (including related data and cache) and starts yelling that there is "Insufficient storage available". This renders the tablet virtually unusable after installing just a few essential apps. Emails stop working, apps will no longer update and data-intensive apps such as Google Earth will simply refuse to run. The 32 GB external SD card I've added makes no difference. It's almost like the OS has no clue what to do with it.
I suck at Android. However, after a lot of digging for pieces of information I've come to undersand that these devices use separate partitions for the apps and other files. Some folks have also hinted towards the fact that the puny 0.9 GB app partition can be resized on a rooted device by means of a partition management app. Or apps could at least be moved to the SD card right before their installation (making use of an app such as Link2SD and, again, a rooted device).
This bring us full circle back to the OP's request: could someone please create and explain a rooting method for this tablet?
Just so you know, these are fresh screenshots of this fresh factory reset configuration. Thought it would fix the problem, but it didn't.
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try with Kingo ROOT. You do it at you'r own risk.
Successful rooting of Vonino Onyx QS tablet
Paget96 said:
try with Kingo ROOT. You do it at you'r own risk.
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Hi, Paget96! Thank you so much for the solution!
I'm writing this to let you, the OP and everybody else know that Kingo Root did it! I have succesfully rooted the tablet and the process itself was quick and merely a matter of installing the software on my PC, connecting the tablet via USB and clicking my way through.
Afterwards I installed Link2SD Plus to manage the transfer of apps from internal storage to the external SD card (32 GB in my case). The app is dirt cheap and truly what you need, because the free version does not allow you to move app data, only the app itself and its libraries. As I've come to know, data and cache build-up is what ends up killing storage space.
Before installing Link2SD however, one must prepare the SD card by means of a partitioning program. Highly recommend you do this via card reader on an actual PC. Use MiniTool Partition Wizard, it seems to be very popular these days. Delete whatever's already on the card and make two PRIMARY partitions: the first one will be FAT32 and will store the media you consume (like music, photos, videos etc.), while the second partition has to be ext4 (ext2 did not work for me on this tablet) and will hold the apps and their data. You can go ahead and name them "Media" and "Apps" respectively to avoid confusion. Remember: both must be primary partitions, the first one is FAT32 for media, the second is ext4 for apps. I made my app partition 10 GB big. Overkill, you say? Hey, I'm done with insufficient storage space errors, ok? :silly:
While you're at it, you might want to add a third partition for swap space to add more RAM to your device. There are tutorials for it on the web.
Once you're done formatting the card, reinstall it in the tablet, open up Link2SD and choose ext4 at the script mounting prompt. From there on, moving apps from internal to SD card space should be intuitive.
Prior to all this fiddling I suggest you perform a factory reset on your device so you can start clean. Can't tell you anythihg about custom ROMs or stuff like that because I didn't have a need for them. This thing works fine apart from that silly storage limitation.
Phew! I can finally enjoy using my tablet... :fingers-crossed:
Muravey said:
Hi, Paget96! Thank you so much for the solution!
I'm writing this to let you, the OP and everybody else know that Kingo Root did it! I have succesfully rooted the tablet and the process itself was quick and merely a matter of installing the software on my PC, connecting the tablet via USB and clicking my way through.
Afterwards I installed Link2SD Plus to manage the transfer of apps from internal storage to the external SD card (32 GB in my case). The app is dirt cheap and truly what you need, because the free version does not allow you to move app data, only the app itself and its libraries. As I've come to know, data and cache build-up is what ends up killing storage space.
Before installing Link2SD however, one must prepare the SD card by means of a partitioning program. Highly recommend you do this via card reader on an actual PC. Use MiniTool Partition Wizard, it seems to be very popular these days. Delete whatever's already on the card and make two PRIMARY partitions: the first one will be FAT32 and will store the media you consume (like music, photos, videos etc.), while the second partition has to be ext4 (ext2 did not work for me on this tablet) and will hold the apps and their data. You can go ahead and name them "Media" and "Apps" respectively to avoid confusion. Remember: both must be primary partitions, the first one is FAT32 for media, the second is ext4 for apps. I made my app partition 10 GB big. Overkill, you say? Hey, I'm done with insufficient storage space errors, ok? :silly:
While you're at it, you might want to add a third partition for swap space to add more RAM to your device. There are tutorials for it on the web.
Once you're done formatting the card, reinstall it in the tablet, open up Link2SD and choose ext4 at the script mounting prompt. From there on, moving apps from internal to SD card space should be intuitive.
Prior to all this fiddling I suggest you perform a factory reset on your device so you can start clean. Can't tell you anythihg about custom ROMs or stuff like that because I didn't have a need for them. This thing works fine apart from that silly storage limitation.
Phew! I can finally enjoy using my tablet... :fingers-crossed:
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10gb is too big, you will broke your sd.
Better use 512mb.
Paget96 said:
10gb is too big, you will broke your sd.
Better use 512mb.
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Could you expand on that one, please? Why am I at risk of ruining the SD card?
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Could you expand on that one, please? Why am I at risk of ruining the SD card?
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Brcause sd work without stop, that is not good.
SD prob
Hi, i have the same tablet ... and i managed to root it ... but i cant manage to increse the storage . l've done the exact stepts ... installed micropartition deleted my sd card (2gb micro sd samasung) i did the first partition fat32 primary with a size of 800 gb and when i try to make the second one ext4 the program says that windows cant see the second partion on a removable device but i continuued anyways ,,, and created the second one with ext2 and then with ext4 as primary ... my windows and my tablet cant see the second partion ... need a little help ... thx
I heave installed the drivers, and nothing happens. Its not connecting to my pc. I changed the pc too. I heave the error: Unfortunately, Mobile data has stopped. I tryed to repair this with recovery -- Wipe data, factory reset. Not working.
Hello guys.
Would appreciate help from you on this, cause i have found somewhere here that this is the way how can i increase my storage and move apps there. I've been trying to use link2sd plus app, but i'm doing something wrong, obviously. I found a guide to make 2 partitions on drive one fat32 one ext2 (did try ext2 and ext3). when i insert stick to tablet, it recognizes my 1st partition but 2nd one didn't want to see. i don't know how to mount it. i've tried various softwares like let's go app 2 otg, stickmount, and i can't even remember all names, none worked. Guide says that link2sd app should ask me what's fs on my 2nd partition, but i get no such message. i tried looking in settings or trough the software but it says it doesn't have 2nd partition mounted. i have no idea how to do that. Can someone please guide me how to fix this or any other way how to be able to move my apps to OTG and possibly play from there.
Thank you.
IrethTassartir said:
Hello guys.
Would appreciate help from you on this, cause i have found somewhere here that this is the way how can i increase my storage and move apps there. I've been trying to use link2sd plus app, but i'm doing something wrong, obviously. I found a guide to make 2 partitions on drive one fat32 one ext2 (did try ext2 and ext3). when i insert stick to tablet, it recognizes my 1st partition but 2nd one didn't want to see. i don't know how to mount it. i've tried various softwares like let's go app 2 otg, stickmount, and i can't even remember all names, none worked. Guide says that link2sd app should ask me what's fs on my 2nd partition, but i get no such message. i tried looking in settings or trough the software but it says it doesn't have 2nd partition mounted. i have no idea how to do that. Can someone please guide me how to fix this or any other way how to be able to move my apps to OTG and possibly play from there.
Thank you.
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It takes a custom Kernel, stickmount, and some trickery just to get some apps to use otg to store and read data. Actually moving apps to it and running them has not been done. Don't think it's possible.
Here is some info on some ppl trying https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-9/development/rom-pure-nexus-substratum-t3536565/post73184172
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It takes a custom Kernel, stickmount, and some trickery just to get some apps to use otg to store and read data. Actually moving apps to it and running them has not been done. Don't think it's possible.
Here is some info on some ppl trying https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-9/development/rom-pure-nexus-substratum-t3536565/post73184172
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so i have to have custom ROM. I did unlock bootloader, and root my tablet, this is ROM i used "image-volantis-n9f27l", latest supported by my phone. can you advice me what custom rom should i try, and what is the point in moving apps to OTG if i can't run em from there.
also one thing i don't understand reading those posts is why the hell do i need 2 partitions. If i have dedicated flash for only that, can i just make one partition with ext2 fs, and make it somehow a extension to system storage.
when youn run link2sd app it says in description that it should run apps or games from external storage.
Thank you for looking into this.
Those posts were simply about getting apps to store and read data on external storage. Actually moving apps to it and running them from it is likely not possible. Link2sd and repartitioning is for devices that have built-in SD card slots (that's what it means by external storage), not otg, and is not even necessary anymore. Sdcards can be made into adoptable storage and merged with internal storage now.
But as far as I know, none of that can be done through otg. It is only for storing, transferring and reading media.