General state of things? - Remix OS for PC

Seeing as this is now the official forum for Jide's Remix OS for PC, I feel this is a good point to ask some questions of the developers. Hopefully, they will take this forum seriously, and help us understand a little bit more of what the current state-of-affairs looks like. I have a few questions, and I am sure the community will have some in addition.
Question 1: What can we expect, as the testing community for Remix OS, to happen as far as your involvement with us?
Question 2: What can we expect, as the testing community, in terms of update frequency?
Question 3: What are the current plans for Remix OS for PC, short-term, intermediate, and stretch goals?
Question 4: Will you offer an official, less hackish way for us to root our installations?
Question 5: What can we expect in terms of your source code repositories for Remix OS, can we clone the repo and compile a working system?
Question 6: Can we expect uEFI support, and the ability to install permanently, in the near future?
I do hope that the devs will be involved enough to answer these questions, it would be a shame to see a beautiful piece of software released under open source licensing, and the users get left in the cold.

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davenull said:
Seeing as this is now the official forum for Jide's Remix OS for PC, I feel this is a good point to ask some questions of the developers. Hopefully, they will take this forum seriously, and help us understand a little bit more of what the current state-of-affairs looks like. I have a few questions, and I am sure the community will have some in addition.
Question 1: What can we expect, as the testing community for Remix OS, to happen as far as your involvement with us?
Question 2: What can we expect, as the testing community, in terms of update frequency?
Question 3: What are the current plans for Remix OS for PC, short-term, intermediate, and stretch goals?
Question 4: Will you offer an official, less hackish way for us to root our installations?
Question 5: What can we expect in terms of your source code repositories for Remix OS, can we clone the repo and compile a working system?
Question 6: Can we expect uEFI support, and the ability to install permanently, in the near future?
I do hope that the devs will be involved enough to answer these questions, it would be a shame to see a beautiful piece of software released under open source licensing, and the users get left in the cold.
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Honestly, I think that they should first cater to the needs of their backers, as their remix mini has still not been updated to a bug-free rom. If you ever go to remix central, they have a sort of a forum and all users keep complaining that they have forgotten about remix mini. I dont think that right now they should cater to the pc users, get one job done nicely(remix mini, namely) then go back to pc remix.

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TheBasterd said:
Honestly, I think that they should first cater to the needs of their backers, as their remix mini has still not been updated to a bug-free rom. If you ever go to remix central, they have a sort of a forum and all users keep complaining that they have forgotten about remix mini. I dont think that right now they should cater to the pc users, get one job done nicely(remix mini, namely) then go back to pc remix.
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That is part of the reasoning behind being curious of the level of involvement they expect to give us. They have a lot going on, it's not out of line to ask how much time *they* expect to be able to give us.

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Question 6: UEFI is already supported, and we already can install it permanently.
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davenull said:
That is part of the reasoning behind being curious of the level of involvement they expect to give us. They have a lot going on, it's not out of line to ask how much time *they* expect to be able to give us.
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Truth be told, if you have ever used any rom from the android x86 project, the only difference in them is the launcher and multiwindow support. If you try the android x86 build, you will find out that they are almost identical in performance. So, that begs the question, what different work they did on the rom, apart from the launcher? What did they tweak? Honestly, I do not find any difference except the looks. So, what exactly are they burdening their minds with at the moment, considering the fact that remix is based totally on the kernel on the x86 android project. If you dont believe me, see the logcat yourself.
So, that means, what are they really wasting their time on? android x86 project supports Fat32, NTFS, ext2,ext3 and even ext4. On Fat2 and NTFS, you get around 2048 MB of space. On ext4, you get almost the full storage. Why does remix not support it is beyond me. Other thing is that newer releases are becoming more unstable than the previous release.
Look, dont get me wrong. Personally, I love remix os. It was the first reason I even took interest in the android on pc stuffs. Honestly, I knew about the android x86 project a long time back, but the multi window and other stuff of remix drew me in the most. So, the thing is, why are they not taking the best parts of the x86 project and imroving them further, rather than making it from scratch. Using that is already available and making it better is what is really needed. I think, with remix soon going open source( that is releasing it to the general public), maybe someone will get this idea and try to use it. Who knows.

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TheBasterd said:
Truth be told, if you have ever used any rom from the android x86 project, the only difference in them is the launcher and multiwindow support. If you try the android x86 build, you will find out that they are almost identical in performance. So, that begs the question, what different work they did on the rom, apart from the launcher? What did they tweak? Honestly, I do not find any difference except the looks. So, what exactly are they burdening their minds with at the moment, considering the fact that remix is based totally on the kernel on the x86 android project. If you dont believe me, see the logcat yourself.
So, that means, what are they really wasting their time on? android x86 project supports Fat32, NTFS, ext2,ext3 and even ext4. On Fat2 and NTFS, you get around 2048 MB of space. On ext4, you get almost the full storage. Why does remix not support it is beyond me. Other thing is that newer releases are becoming more unstable than the previous release.
Look, dont get me wrong. Personally, I love remix os. It was the first reason I even took interest in the android on pc stuffs. Honestly, I knew about the android x86 project a long time back, but the multi window and other stuff of remix drew me in the most. So, the thing is, why are they not taking the best parts of the x86 project and imroving them further, rather than making it from scratch. Using that is already available and making it better is what is really needed. I think, with remix soon going open source( that is releasing it to the general public), maybe someone will get this idea and try to use it. Who knows.
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You're completely wrong. First, "only the look and multiwindow" is a big and super complex difference. Resizing a window in an apk made for only one dpi isn't nothing easy. And yes, Remix OS supports EXT4, NTFS, and all other kind of partition you want. You just need to know how to do it.
Yes, it's based on Android-x86 project, and it has all the features you see there plus original and exclusive ones.
And let's be clear on this point: Remix OS is at Alpha state. Do you really understand what that means?
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lucasdeeiroz said:
You're completely wrong. First, "only the look and multiwindow" is a big and super complex difference. Resizing a window in an apk made for only one dpi isn't nothing easy. And yes, Remix OS supports EXT4, NTFS, and all other kind of partition you want. You just need to know how to do it.
Yes, it's based on Android-x86 project, and it has all the features you see there plus original and exclusive ones.
And let's be clear on this point: Remix OS is at Alpha state. Do you really understand what that means?
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You're completely wrong. First, "only the look and multiwindow" is a big and super complex difference. Resizing a window in an apk made for only one dpi isn't nothing easy. And yes, Remix OS supports EXT4, NTFS, and all other kind of partition you want. You just need to know how to do it
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Multiwindow was never much of an issue. If you use xposed on the android x86 project rom 4.4 rc3, you can enable multiwindow using an exposed module. So, that goes out of the window.
Second, remix os does not support ext4 for storage officially. Android x86 project does out of the box.
Yes, it's based on Android-x86 project, and it has all the features you see there plus original and exclusive ones.
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Exclusive? What feature is that? Look dont get me wrong, I love remix os, but what is the exclusive feature that I did not see. Please elaborate.
And let's be clear on this point: Remix OS is at Alpha state. Do you really understand what that means?
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Derp! No idea. What is alpha, please do tell me. Dude, do you even know that the worst part of the coding was actually handled by the android x86 project. The kernel which was made by those guys is being used, even the the lesser known phoenix os uses it. So, as far as alpha is concerned, only making a launcher and adding it made it unstable to the point of calling it alpha is pretty ridiculous. You are very ignorant in this matter.
I love remix os as much as you do. Just, get your facts straight though.
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lucasdeeiroz said:
You're completely wrong. First, "only the look and multiwindow" is a big and super complex difference. Resizing a window in an apk made for only one dpi isn't nothing easy. And yes, Remix OS supports EXT4, NTFS, and all other kind of partition you want. You just need to know how to do it.
Yes, it's based on Android-x86 project, and it has all the features you see there plus original and exclusive ones.
And let's be clear on this point: Remix OS is at Alpha state. Do you really understand what that means?
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And let's be clear on this point: Remix OS is at Alpha state. Do you really understand what that means?
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To prove my point here I am posting some images to show what really a useful rom on pc should do. All of the screenshots are from my pc running android-x86-5.1-rc1 rom from the official android x86 website. This is what a real android image on pc should do.
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Now, look at the amount of storage. I installed the rom on a 30gb hdd partition, and look at the amount of storage I got for apps, just out of the box, no extra tweaking need. Even better, it has root support. No more ads, no nothing. Pure android experience.

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TheBasterd said:
Multiwindow was never much of an issue. If you use xposed on the android x86 project rom 4.4 rc3, you can enable multiwindow using an exposed module. So, that goes out of the window.
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That stock "multiwindow" is ridiculous, it's nothing compared to what's shown in Remix OS. Stock: 1/2 or 1/4 screen windows. Remix: resizable and uncountless windows.
TheBasterd said:
Second, remix os does not support ext4 for storage officially. Android x86 project does out of the box.
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Yes, it does support EXT4. If you enter the installation menu, EXT4 is an option. I used it myself.
TheBasterd said:
Exclusive? What feature is that? Look dont get me wrong, I love remix os, but what is the exclusive feature that I did not see. Please elaborate.
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The mentioned true multiwindow/multitask (which is a lot different than stock one), the taskbar (which gives the OS a lot more PC feel), all the keys shortcuts, etc.
TheBasterd said:
Derp! No idea. What is alpha, please do tell me. Dude, do you even know that the worst part of the coding was actually handled by the android x86 project. The kernel which was made by those guys is being used, even the the lesser known phoenix os uses it. So, as far as alpha is concerned, only making a launcher and adding it made it unstable to the point of calling it alpha is pretty ridiculous. You are very ignorant in this matter.
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The kernel is the same, and the system base is the same too. But no, it's not only the launcher the difference between the two OSs. Even the Android-x86 developers recognizes it and validate this "fork" (they even mention it on their official site). You think it's simple? Try to do it yourself.
TheBasterd said:
To prove my point here I am posting some images to show what really a useful rom on pc should do. All of the screenshots are from my pc running android-x86-5.1-rc1 rom from the official android x86 website. This is what a real android image on pc should do. Now, look at the amount of storage. I installed the rom on a 30gb hdd partition, and look at the amount of storage I got for apps, just out of the box, no extra tweaking need. Even better, it has root support. No more ads, no nothing. Pure android experience.
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I have 30GB storage on Remix. Only using the installer. And I have root too, done it with simple "copy and paste".

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lucasdeeiroz said:
That stock "multiwindow" is ridiculous, it's nothing compared to what's shown in Remix OS. Stock: 1/2 or 1/4 screen windows. Remix: resizable and uncountless windows.
Yes, it does support EXT4. If you enter the installation menu, EXT4 is an option. I used it myself.
The mentioned true multiwindow/multitask (which is a lot different than stock one), the taskbar (which gives the OS a lot more PC feel), all the keys shortcuts, etc.
The kernel is the same, and the system base is the same too. But no, it's not only the launcher the difference between the two OSs. Even the Android-x86 developers recognizes it and validate this "fork" (they even mention it on their official site). You think it's simple? Try to do it yourself.
I have 30GB storage on Remix. Only using the installer. And I have root too, done it with simple "copy and paste".
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Yes! Now that is what I call a satisfactory answer/answers. Thanks bro! Shut up and take my upvote/thanks.
Now, would you kindly give me a procedure to do the same? I have tried all the method and it fails. I would prefer the grub2 method, if you must.

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TheBasterd said:
Yes! Now that is what I call a satisfactory answer/answers. Thanks bro! Shut up and take my upvote/thanks.
Now, would you kindly give me a procedure to do the same? I have tried all the method and it fails. I would prefer the grub2 method, if you must.
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You only have to boot into your USB with Remix OS image burned, press TAB when Resident Mod is selected, and add "INSTALL=1" to the end of line. There you go, the installer just like Android-x86.
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lucasdeeiroz said:
You only have to boot into your USB with Remix OS image burned, press TAB when Resident Mod is selected, and add "INSTALL=1" to the end of line. There you go, the installer just like Android-x86.
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You mean, when it says "SRC=DATA=DATA_AS_IMG INSTALL=1". Like this?
Also, what about root access ? I need that too.

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TheBasterd said:
You mean, when it says "SRC=DATA=DATA_AS_IMG INSTALL=1". Like this?
Also, what about root access ? I need that too.
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Yes
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lucasdeeiroz said:
Yes
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You did not reply about the root access. How do I get that?

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TheBasterd said:
You did not reply about the root access. How do I get that?
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You only need to put an already rooted system.img in your USB installer (replace original one). The rooted system.img already comes with Play Store enabled. You can find it in the internet. I don't have the link now, tho
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lucasdeeiroz said:
You only need to put an already rooted system.img in your USB installer. The rooted system.img already comes with Play Store enabled. You can find it in the internet. I don't have the link now, tho
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Cool. I got that. No problem.
Thanks for all the info. BTW, consider making a thread with all the info collected in it. Would help noobs like me a lot.
Regards
TheBasterd

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Regarding the root method, how am I actually supposed to root the actual version of the OS if the system.img has been replaced with a so-called "system.sfs" file. Some people said I should just delete this one and add the .img file. If this works I'm more than okay with that (I really need root so I can share my windows partitions), but will I be able to install updates on the respective version of system.img afterwards? Thanks for reading.