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Hi guys,
i want to ask - my phone charger has got these parameters -
input : 100-240VAC 50-60Hz 140mA
output : 5.0VDC 850mA
battery parameters :
BST-38
970mAh 3.6Wh
isn´t the charger too strong for the battery ?
charging my battery to 100% takes about an hour,sometimes less.
after charging the battery is quite hot.after 5-10 minutes the battery gets down to 80%, and it is stable from 80%.
i am charging just via USB now, because of i think that the charger is too strong and i think it can reduce battery life...?
what do you think ?
Yeah, it is strange.
The battery drains pretty fast after charging to 100% but later it is stable. Although I didn't notice that battery is hot, I think that charger charges battery too fast which is not good for battery IMO.
Mekki99 said:
Yeah, it is strange.
The battery drains pretty fast after charging to 100% but later it is stable. Although I didn't notice that battery is hot, I think that charger charges battery too fast which is not good for battery IMO.
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No, its not charging too fast. Lipoly batteries have pretty tight specifications and the phone switches the voltage itself, for terms of compatibility a usb voltage is used (so less hardware is needed to step voltages from different sources). It also means you can charge from your pc without having a bypass cable like older model phones.
The mA output of the charger doesnt really matter. A high mA means the voltage will be more stable where as a low mA supply could cause undesirable voltage fluctuations.
A lipoly battery cannot be slow charged or trickle charged, the chemistry doesnt work that way. Slow charging could actually cause the battery to explode or in the very least make its performance poorer.
The battery appears to drain quickly in the first 10% but its an illusion caused by the software on the phone which measures the mAh drop. A lipoly battery may discharge from 1200mA to 1000mA in 10 mins and reach a plateau where is holds 900-1000mA for several hours. All that is required is to reset the battery stats so the phone can generate a new profile over several recharge cycles.
As I said, lipoly charge until near capacity and stop. They dont trickle charge, the charging circuit actually switches off. Those people who leave their phones plugged in 8 hours overnight do it no favours as it justs cycles the charger on and off, this could actually skew the battery stats giving a false reading in the first 10%.
The best thing is to charge until full and then remove from the charger, you can always charge it again in the morning before you go out to boost the %. For the best battery life you should maintain a charge above half as this keeps the chemistry from breaking down. Never ever let it go flat! When the phone registers 0% its not, its a safety mechanism and it will still have above half the rated mAh. Charge a dead lipoly and it will explode violently.
Using alternative charging methods of a lipoly is VERY dangerous. People have lost houses or even their lives by fiddling with them. They are not a forgiving as lion, nimh or nicad. With that said lipoly are cheap, reliable, have a small form factor and offer a high output in comparison.
The best device for charging the battery is the phone charger as it has the highest mA and most stable voltage. The PC comes second as most are only rated 500mA and can have voltage fluctuations in the range of 10% or more. Third... Nothing, there is no third - only flames and misery.
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I'm having this problem with my i777.
Sometimes when I reboot the phone the battery charge drops enormously, like 30% or so. For example, I will be doing things with the phone, the charge will be at something like 60% then reboot and right after reboot it says charge is 30% which doesn't make much sense.
this happens with the stock battery but the effects seems to be more pronouced with some batteries I bought on ebay.
Anyone has any idea what's going on?
what rom are you running on?
bartolo5 said:
I'm having this problem with my i777.
Sometimes when I reboot the phone the battery charge drops enormously, like 30% or so. For example, I will be doing things with the phone, the charge will be at something like 60% then reboot and right after reboot it says charge is 30% which doesn't make much sense.
this happens with the stock battery but the effects seems to be more pronouced with some batteries I bought on ebay.
Anyone has any idea what's going on?
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Normal behavior of our fuel gauge hardware - high load (boot process) immediately after a reset confuses it and makes it report low. Effect is much more pronounced at lower states of charge.
pham818 said:
what rom are you running on?
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Rooted stock 2.3.4
build number: GINGERBREAD.UCKH7
Entropy512 said:
Normal behavior of our fuel gauge hardware - high load (boot process) immediately after a reset confuses it and makes it report low. Effect is much more pronounced at lower states of charge.
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That's exactly right. Tends to happen more on lower states of charge.
Does this mean that the charge indicator will go up after the reboot? Or maybe it will take longer to drop and the effective battery life will be the same.
Yes when this happens to me my bettery either dies extremely slow or my percent just goes up..
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Smacdallas said:
Yes when this happens to me my bettery either dies extremely slow or my percent just goes up..
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I see this too. I will be at ~40%, reboot and see 10%. Come back after a while to 12%, and it stays on 12% with like an hours worth of heavy use before going lower. If I look at the battery usage, it trends down, then drops, but stays level, then about when the trend would have been it starts dropping again.
I thought I just needed to calibrate the battery, as I just flashed a new ROM. But, it keeps doing this after a week, and several charge cycles.
Guess I'm relieved to see this weird behavior is not indicative of a problem.
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bartolo5 said:
That's exactly right. Tends to happen more on lower states of charge.
Does this mean that the charge indicator will go up after the reboot? Or maybe it will take longer to drop and the effective battery life will be the same.
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Correct - because the gauge thinks the battery is lower than it actually is when this happens.
Attached a screenshot of the battery use with the big drop in effect.
I particularly think this is a bug and Samsung should fix this behavior.
It can't be changed without hardware alterations.
As with anything in engineering, there are tradeoffs. The positive aspect of this fuel gauge design is that it does not require ANY calibration. No wiping battery stats, no "always flash firmware at 100%" - none of that.
The negative is that in a few corner cases, it gets thrown off temporarily. This is basically the only known one.
Ive noticed this as well with both Stock and ICScreweD. I just try to reboot as least as possible.
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Ive noticed this as well with both Stock and ICScreweD. I just try to reboot as least as possible.
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If you reboot at higher states of charge, OR reboot when on external power, you should not see this issue.
I just had this same problem lol. I was at 42% and when I rebooted my phone it dropped to 23%....This was a few hours after the OTA update to 2.3.6.
I had the same problem also.
-Battery would not charge to 100% ( it would charge between 97% -98%)
-Battery would drop 20% or 30% percent (when reboot).
I tried to recharge many times and cycles the battey but nothing would work.
I tried changing kernal, modem and roms . Nothing would work.
I actually thought i messed my phone up.
So i tried something that work for me.
1) i would let the battery drain till it was completely dead!
2) I would take battery out for 5 minutes.
3) put battery in and charge with phone OFF till it reaches 100%.
4) unplug charger from phone and take battery out and wait 5 minutes.
5) put battery back in and plug charger up and wait till phone marks 100% again ( This time the wait was longer to get to 100%).
6) i repeated step 5 untill finally the phone would mark 100% faster
7) unplug phone and then wait to see the battery status ( if your phone mark 99%) plug charger to phone and let it charge till it reaches 100% again. once it reach 100% reboot and repeat step 7 untill you reboot and it would show 100%.
not sure if this might work for anyone else but it did work for me. battery would charge to 100% and i don't have my phone drop 20-30 percent after reboot.
If it drops 20-30% on a reboot when the battery is near full, you may have a defective battery.
I've only seen major drops on reboot when the battery is low to begin with, never when at higher states of charge.
Doing a full discharge on Li-ion batteries puts a huge stress on it and greatly decreases the life of the battery. To get the longest life out of a battery, you want to generally stay in the medium range of charge (Don't over charge it, and don't discharge it too much). Cars like the Chevy Volt employ these techniques to encourage a longer battery life, however with phones, you get users that think discharging the battery all the way solves problems. If you want to see the true battery life that the fuel gauge averages from, press *#0228# in your dialer and check the battery voltage. Full is around 4.1v and discharged I believe is around 3.5v or so. (maybe 3.3? not sure)
3) put battery in and charge with phone OFF till it reaches 100%. <-- is probably what fixed it, and why I switch batteries instead of charging on my phone because the charger is able to control the current and voltage better than with a slight load on it (with phone on)
I'm sure that that user cut off at least 5% of his overall battery life with overcharging it like that though...
Same issues here pending the ROM I'm using.
4.2 volts is the upper limit for li-ion - and actually, it hits that at around 95% charge.
The method for charging Li-Ion:
Charge with a current limit initially - on our devices this is 650 mA.
Once you hit 4.2 volts, do NOT go above this - maintain voltage at 4.2 volts or lower regardless of current
Once current drops to around C/10 (on our devices, this is about 160 mA), shut off charging completely.
The phone's charge controller does this all automatically for you.
There's usually a timer/averaging filters in the final stages of charge termination - which is why "bump charging" can push a little extra into the battery - but this will lead to degradation in battery total capacity.
As somewhat of an extra trivia on Li-ion batteries, Motorola has apparently managed to get batteries that have nominal voltage at 3.8v and max charged voltage is around 4.3v as opposed to 4.2v.
Hunt3r.j2 said:
As somewhat of an extra trivia on Li-ion batteries, Motorola has apparently managed to get batteries that have nominal voltage at 3.8v and max charged voltage is around 4.3v as opposed to 4.2v.
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is it Li-ion tech though?
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Hi guys,
I want to share to those that may be doesn't know how to extend battery for a little bit.
I have tested this method for months and it works well on my D802 G2.
Here how to do it :
1) when you charging your phone and the battery status shows 100% don't unplug your charger yet
2) touch your charger and if it still hot, don't unplug it
3) you can unplug your charger when it is became cold, on my case, it could took around 15-20 minutes later
See for your self, if it could improve your battery life. For me, it is like having a 110% battery capacity.
For best result
Charge your phone while it is off and battery level not less than 15%
htcm7 said:
Hi guys,
I want to share to those that may be doesn't know how to extend battery for a little bit.
I have tested this method for months and it works well on my D802 G2.
Here how to do it :
1) when you charging your phone and the battery status shows 100% don't unplug your charger yet
2) touch your charger and if it still hot, don't unplug it
3) you can unplug your charger when it is became cold, on my case, it could took around 15-20 minutes later
See for your self, if it could improve your battery life. For me, it is like having a 110% battery capacity.
For best result
Charge your phone while it is off and battery level not less than 15%
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Actually its the trickle charging going on after it reaches 100%
LG G2
jiteshj said:
Actually its the trickle charging going on after it reaches 100%
LG G2
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May be, ... or may be not. There are several tech to charge Lipo battery, and we don't know which tech used in G2.
htcm7 said:
Hi guys,
I want to share to those that may be doesn't know how to extend battery for a little bit.
I have tested this method for months and it works well on my D802 G2.
Here how to do it :
1) when you charging your phone and the battery status shows 100% don't unplug your charger yet
2) touch your charger and if it still hot, don't unplug it
3) you can unplug your charger when it is became cold, on my case, it could took around 15-20 minutes later
See for your self, if it could improve your battery life. For me, it is like having a 110% battery capacity.
For best result
Charge your phone while it is off and battery level not less than 15%
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Yeah, I got it. i saw when i charged my LG G2 over the night, tomorrow its battery decreased very slowly. But sometime i charged it around 9x%, the battery decreased so fast @@
Yeah right.
I'm doing this since still using G Pro,
100 to 99 = Insane
99 - 98 = At least better than normal
98 - 0 = Normal
I use Android Tuner, you can see what your actual charge voltage is and track when it really is full before you unplug.
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This is balderdash.
this is poppycock.
it actually works, noticed it from first week.
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i just leave my charger plugged in. when i go to bed, i plug it in, and 6-7 hours later i unplug it. it trickle charges when it gets to 100% anyway. meaning the charge goes down a little and goes back up a little. yes, i guess this wastes more electricity but it is so minor. also the G2 has a capability that when fully charged at 100%, the voltage of the battery is different, so the battery lasts longer at the 100% mark. once it hits 99%, battery life starts to drop at a normal rate. i read about this in another post on xda, forgot where. it used to take me 25 minutes of watching an HD mkv file at max brightness on mx player to drop from 100 to 99. nowadays it takes 20 minutes.
The best results will be if you charge the phone from PC usb port,charge it at night and take it in the morning.
It sounds good. I'll try it.
Thank you!
For best results charge your phone in the freezer.....
Ok just had too
But this is true ^. LOL @woof123, a slow charge doesn't change a thing with these batteries. Fast charge doesn't even get hot enough to be detrimental. The top 1% idea is indeed true. I'm gonna make a slim refillable liquid nitrogen cartridge to place over battery. Win.
Im not talking about battery degration from fast charging,by charging my phone over the usb i noticed that it lasts longer vs the charger.
Just use greenfiy and the donate version
Hibernate every app besides system Apps.
Nothing will run ever again in background while hibernated.
And yes it works and no the app itself does not cause its own drain.
Greenify is highly noted in every forum across xda
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With these non removable batteries, I'm more concerned with ensuring that I don't harm the battery. I was reading that leaving it charging past 100 percent might shorten its life span. I've been using. Battery full notifier to avoid doing that.
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The general behavior of charging batteries like these is that the first 80% of the actual battery capacity gets charged very quickly (usually takes 1-3 hours) then the last 20% of the battery trickle charges (this also takes another 1-3 hours). I think what's happening here is that the phone itself only reports the first 80% of the actual battery capacity because that's the part that charges quickly, and anything over what the phone reports as "100%" is the last 20% of the actual battery capacity trickle charging.
As for any harm this could bring to the battery, batteries like the one in the LG G2 last longer if you avoid deep discharges (e.g. charging to 100% from 50% at the end of the day versus charging to 100% from 0% after every two days), but it might not even matter since LG Chem's higher end batteries tend to be rated for at least 800 full charge cycles (last year's average smartphones were rated for ~500), which covers over two years of very decent battery performance even if you were to charge from 0 to 100+% battery every day. Even if you use up all these charge cycles, you're still going to be left with ~70-80% battery capacity of the phone you initially bought.
A side note from all this is that any anecdotes of long battery life (where the initial battery percentage reported was 100%) is generally unreliable because it's not conveniently possible to know how much over "100%" the phone's battery has been trickle charged.
My battery life is ridiculously good on this phone anyways...
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It's true, 100-99% yields insane use time, but only if you use an app like Battery Monitor Widget to let you know when the battery has stopped accepting power (+0 mA, voltage ~ 4370 mV). It is also true though that this reduces overall battery health a little (it might become noticeable if you do this all the time).
And btw, charging overnight is a very bad idea.
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Has anyone checked the ROG phone "Battery health" on AccuBattery Pro? Mine is showing Estimated Capacity as 3,548 mAh, Design Capacity 4,000 mAh. I completely discharged then charged to 100% as calibration. Brand new phone.
Mine is showing 3,531mAh after around a week of usage.
Someone should report this on the Asus forums
mine also show 3500mah after 2.5 weeks of use
I have posted this issue on ASUS's Forum
https://www.asus.com/zentalk/thread-249329-1-1.html
Please feel free to add your battery capacity screenshots on their forum so we have a reference for the future
Mine's at 3462 after a little over a month. With a health of 87%
OK, then. We shouldn't be concerned. The proper way to measure battery is more complicated than what AccuBattery does (the proper way involves measuring battery discharge at a controlled rate). Since many of us are getting similar readings on AccuBattery, it's probably that AccuBattery's method isn't accurate.
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OK, then. We shouldn't be concerned. The proper way to measure battery is more complicated than what AccuBattery does (the proper way involves measuring battery discharge at a controlled rate). Since many of us are getting similar readings on AccuBattery, it's probably that AccuBattery's method isn't accurate.
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Same here: 3536 mAh 88% health with Accubattery first charge out of the box after discharging to 15% following first power up.
Either Accubattery has a problem with our phone, or Asus is ripping us off.
If the batteries were bad, we'd all have different readings.
I am guessing the AI charging might affect the measurement from AccuBattery. However I also don't think the battery capacity is full 4000 mAh. My last phone from Motorola has a 3000 mAh battery on the spec chart, but the battery itself prints 2810 / 3000 mAh (min/typ). From the ROG phone tear down videos, this battery isn't marked though.
From the asus zen forum the only solution the person provided was to bring the device to a service center to get it tested
I maybe wrong however with batteries these days it only ever uses a percentage so that there is redundancy for failure and to preserve the battery life.
iStasis said:
I maybe wrong however with batteries these days it only ever uses a percentage so that there is redundancy for failure and to preserve the battery life.
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Samsung does that. Note 9 is 4000mah but Accubattery says 3800mah on new phones. Every one of them.
Power reserve to not kill the battery early.
Anyway, 3500 mAh seems like one heck of a left over reserve.
Our batteries should last 5 years at least
Same "problem" here, but maybe it is because program has small amount of gathered data about battery usage. I did full discharge and full recharge yesterday, and goz about 3567mAh, but ill try to calibrate battery and use measuring app for longer time to get more accurate results.
Ps: I am using only slow charger to avoid overheating to eliminate battery damaging when recharging
I have not checked my ROG Phone in any 3rd party apps as I have not had a reason to question the 4,000 MAH
It is not a problem, lithium ion battery deteriorate faster if kept fully charge all the time or when discharged to low. Since most people have the bad habit to plug their phone all the time and keep them full for a prolonged period of time, oem have to be creative to fight this. Some will show your battery is charged at 100% while in reality its only charged at 90% .That is what your program most likely reading.
lithium ion should only be charged at 100% before you leave the house, i tend to keep mine between 50 and 90 usually . With quick charge there is no reason to keep a phone plug overnight, 10-20 min before leaving the house is plenty.
I have turned on AI for battery charging and as soon as my Battery reaches 100 it stops charging which is good enough for me to have faith in the charging technology in the phone and battery capacity.
I do leave mine plugged in over night however with the right equipment to check its hard to get a good understanding of whats happening. Theres inbuilt battery health tools so i would always advise using these and going through the features of this over 3rd party jank applications and trust them. Its the only tools Asus are going to support in any diagnostic troubleshooting.
Hi guys, I am returning after some time of usage and charging. After some charging cycles I have to admit my battery capacity is "increasing" - well better say, it is getting used to be charged properly. Now I passed 7 full charging cycles, but after 3rd one every next charge had more mA. I started at 3479mAh with full battery, now I ended with 3711mAh - hope it gets even better (I'll be glad for at least 3800, but who knows?). Everytime I tried to charge only when I was below 3%.
I have to say I am using slow charger with 5V and 400mA current. Battery checker from mobile manager was not detecting any issue with this way of charging nor AccuBattery Pro. I also know, that batteries shall be charged only about 80% of its capacity, but I am still sceptical about that rest 20% so I am charging to max everytime.
Hope I helped...
...another time passed and I am back with another results. After a lot chrging cycles I am stuck at between 3500-3700mAh of total capacity. I was searching around whole internet and found out, that phone manufacturers are "decreasing" battery capacity with SW at 90% of total capacity to prolong battery life and avoid battery wear, because everytime you charge the phone, you think you are charging to 100%, but in real you are charging to 90% only - rest of 10% is "hidden" to save your battery life - due to my calculations and testing it might be true. Anybody else had something different, so we can compare it?
I've just started cycling with accubattery will post when I get some solid data but seems battery has lost some capacity already only had it since November 5
Hellindros said:
I've just started cycling with accubattery will post when I get some solid data but seems battery has lost some capacity already only had it since November 5
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Heres mine so far only a few cycle's in but I've lost quite a bit capacity
Recently when I've been charging my phone, it shows only up to 58% when I know its fully charged. It shows that percentage whether it is booted up or not. I have tried letting it die all the way and then charging it - and that yields strange results. Sometimes it shows at 58% then recognizes its fully charged and sometimes it just shows the 58%.
It could be due to me not having the original fast dual charger and using an asus singular fast charger but I couldn't find a replacement for the original that suited
Any suggestions?
Here's some stuff to read (quite old, though):
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...battery-on-your-device-root-non-root.3308554/
I remember having similar trouble, the stats were showing just inconsistent data (AFAIR, shutting down already at some 30%) and deleting that stats-file helped (at least I think so).
Other than: How about charging it at a "normal" USB-port from your computer?
PS: Perhaps some of your friends have a USB-meter like
https://lygte-info.dk/review/USBmeter RD Tech USB Meter TC66C UK.html
That way you could see how much of your phone's 5500mAh is really charged...
I got the same problem as well it only charges up to 58% isn't there any fix to this yet?