Turning phone vibration motor into a low-frequency speaker?

Turning phone vibration motor into a low-frequency speaker? - Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I know this may sound ridiculous at first but hear me out.
So most phones if not all have vibration motors. Also, most if not all phones have speakers that don't do exactly too well with low frequencies (bass). The thing with low frequencies is that they can actually be produced without much issue, you can literally grab a plastic ruler you have nearby and produce low freq "music" by just holding one end of it on the table and making the rest vibrate and by moving the ruler to change frequencies. Now I know for a fact that phones, at least my Moto X Style utilize vibration motor for producing something similar to actual sound, for example when you launch the camera through gestures you'll get a rising feedback which happens by inreasing the frequency by increasing the speed of vibrations. Another thing with low frequencies is how they can actually be effectively felt, if not heard. You don't really need to hear the bass to feel it (however cheesy it sounds), which has lead to creation of those flat subwoofer pads (forgot the name of the product) you can place behind your back which will simulate you hearing bass by making your body vibrate. Also, we've had a speaker that turns your table into an actual speaker by making it resonate.
So the idea I had is - would it be possible to actually hook up the vibration motor in our phones to a music app so that the low frequencies are translated to the motor revolutions which would either reproduce the bass if you hold the phone in hands or on your body, or if put it on a surface that would resonate along with the phone? I imagine that since there were possibilities of controlling the vibration patterns, as well as there are apps like light flow that can take control of certain parts of the phone and hook it up to something else (LEDs in light flow's case) this sort of stuff shouldn't be impossible, provided you have root access.
It's just a concept but what does xda think of this?

Oliie23 said:
I know this may sound ridiculous at first but hear me out.
So most phones if not all have vibration motors. Also, most if not all phones have speakers that don't do exactly too well with low frequencies (bass). The thing with low frequencies is that they can actually be produced without much issue, you can literally grab a plastic ruler you have nearby and produce low freq "music" by just holding one end of it on the table and making the rest vibrate and by moving the ruler to change frequencies. Now I know for a fact that phones, at least my Moto X Style utilize vibration motor for producing something similar to actual sound, for example when you launch the camera through gestures you'll get a rising feedback which happens by inreasing the frequency by increasing the speed of vibrations. Another thing with low frequencies is how they can actually be effectively felt, if not heard. You don't really need to hear the bass to feel it (however cheesy it sounds), which has lead to creation of those flat subwoofer pads (forgot the name of the product) you can place behind your back which will simulate you hearing bass by making your body vibrate. Also, we've had a speaker that turns your table into an actual speaker by making it resonate.
So the idea I had is - would it be possible to actually hook up the vibration motor in our phones to a music app so that the low frequencies are translated to the motor revolutions which would either reproduce the bass if you hold the phone in hands or on your body, or if put it on a surface that would resonate along with the phone? I imagine that since there were possibilities of controlling the vibration patterns, as well as there are apps like light flow that can take control of certain parts of the phone and hook it up to something else (LEDs in light flow's case) this sort of stuff shouldn't be impossible, provided you have root access.
It's just a concept but what does xda think of this?
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Ollie- It's a novel idea, and theoretically it may work, but sight unseen, I would imagine most 'phones have a transducer, not a motor for the vibration. Either way, the battery drain for an extended time would be phenomenal, you could probably listen to half an album before the transducer and it's driver circuitry burned out. You're sort of half right with your assumptions re-low frequency and human perceptions, I have installed many high-powered subwoofer systems into nightclubs and other venues so I know a little about this subject. I am also a television engineer so know the theory too. Most of the systems I have installed were of the Bose Cannon variety designed for large-scale venues.
The problem is one of basic physics, to generate bass sounds and get them to an audience, (for argument's sake let's say any frequency below 150hz) requires the movement of air. To resonate at a low frequency takes a lot of energy, which is why we use thick copper cables in our subwoofer systems to reduce the resistance of the system. Monster cables for domestic installations are a waste of money incidentally-but that's another subject for a different forum. This is the reason you have tiny speakers which can only reproduce sounds in excess of 1000hz in our 'phones, what you are suggesting is therefore a novel idea and worth further consideration, remove the need to move air and punch the sounds directly into human perception via physical contact.
I think rather than a pad which sits on your back, maybe some sort of neckband with transducers each side underneath the ears maybe with a bluetooth connection and it's own power supply may do the trick. It's worthy of better brains and knowledge of human anatomy than I have to make some investigations. A company such as Logitech or Shure would be better placed to do the research.
Tony.

vidtek said:
Ollie- It's a novel idea, and theoretically it may work, but sight unseen, I would imagine most 'phones have a transducer, not a motor for the vibration. Either way, the battery drain for an extended time would be phenomenal, you could probably listen to half an album before the transducer and it's driver circuitry burned out. You're sort of half right with your assumptions re-low frequency and human perceptions, I have installed many high-powered subwoofer systems into nightclubs and other venues so I know a little about this subject. I am also a television engineer so know the theory too. Most of the systems I have installed were of the Bose Cannon variety designed for large-scale venues.
The problem is one of basic physics, to generate bass sounds and get them to an audience, (for argument's sake let's say any frequency below 150hz) requires the movement of air. To resonate at a low frequency takes a lot of energy, which is why we use thick copper cables in our subwoofer systems to reduce the resistance of the system. Monster cables for domestic installations are a waste of money incidentally-but that's another subject for a different forum. This is the reason you have tiny speakers which can only reproduce sounds in excess of 1000hz in our 'phones, what you are suggesting is therefore a novel idea and worth further consideration, remove the need to move air and punch the sounds directly into human perception via physical contact.
I think rather than a pad which sits on your back, maybe some sort of neckband with transducers each side underneath the ears maybe with a bluetooth connection and it's own power supply may do the trick. It's worthy of better brains and knowledge of human anatomy than I have to make some investigations. A company such as Logitech or Shure would be better placed to do the research.
Tony.
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Honestly, I was thinking to just give it a shot and take a look at how it would work out for just a single-person use. Like I said, I know for a fact that Moto tried something similar by using different vibration patterns for gesture actions which quite honestly seem to work the way I imagine this little subwoofer idea would. If only I could code, I'd definitely try this.
Also, I think it wouldn't really burn out, at least so long as you wouldn't really abuse it. The vibration unit in our phones is actually made in a way that it can withstand the phone ringing for quite long, so I imagine that only really the battery drain would be excessive. But then again, you could just connect your phone to a charger and that would remedy this problem.

Can we achieve this by using an app??

Arunj4144 said:
Can we achieve this by using an app??
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Unlikely, most Android devices have 2 levels of software, the base firmware which handles calls to hardware components and is tied down by whichever 'phone company built the 'phone, this has all the drivers in it.
The second level is the operation system or Android level and this is where developers have their input.
Don't even think about the Apple evil empire ecosystem.
Tony.

Sony Xperia XZ2 & XZ3 flagship phones have this feature standard.
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Oliie23 said:
I know this may sound ridiculous at first but hear me out.
So most phones if not all have vibration motors. Also, most if not all phones have speakers that don't do exactly too well with low frequencies (bass). The thing with low frequencies is that they can actually be produced without much issue, you can literally grab a plastic ruler you have nearby and produce low freq "music" by just holding one end of it on the table and making the rest vibrate and by moving the ruler to change frequencies. Now I know for a fact that phones, at least my Moto X Style utilize vibration motor for producing something similar to actual sound, for example when you launch the camera through gestures you'll get a rising feedback which happens by inreasing the frequency by increasing the speed of vibrations. Another thing with low frequencies is how they can actually be effectively felt, if not heard. You don't really need to hear the bass to feel it (however cheesy it sounds), which has lead to creation of those flat subwoofer pads (forgot the name of the product) you can place behind your back which will simulate you hearing bass by making your body vibrate. Also, we've had a speaker that turns your table into an actual speaker by making it resonate.
So the idea I had is - would it be possible to actually hook up the vibration motor in our phones to a music app so that the low frequencies are translated to the motor revolutions which would either reproduce the bass if you hold the phone in hands or on your body, or if put it on a surface that would resonate along with the phone? I imagine that since there were possibilities of controlling the vibration patterns, as well as there are apps like light flow that can take control of certain parts of the phone and hook it up to something else (LEDs in light flow's case) this sort of stuff shouldn't be impossible, provided you have root access.
It's just a concept but what does xda think of this?
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hey its an official thing in sony phones now and i want it too for my phone is there anyone who can port it from sony phones to other android phones? it must be easier now coz now you wont have to build it from scratch.

The app name is sound to vibration not perfect but it will be something like what you have asked for

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[RADIATION] Note 1 vs 2 vs 3, CNET+Samsung Official Results

Introductory:
Hello all, cell phones produce radiation just in case you did not know. These radiation levels are measured in a value called SAR(Specific Absorbtion Rate) and it literally is the measurement of just the bottom line of what the human body absorbs, rather than just the amount that it radiating(ha, get it?) around the device. Radiation is bad in the human body where it is directly related to certain issues, including directly reducing bone density in the body. I am posting this as an accurate informational thread where you can draw your own conclusions based off of facts.
SAR Levels:
SAR, which stands for Specific Absorbtion Rate, levels fluctuate depending on numerous factors, in which we must go over in order to accurately understand. The key thing to understand is that the further the device is from your body, the levels begin to diminish by the milimeter(mm).
For a phone to receive an FCC certification, the device cannot have a SAR level of more than 1.6 watts per kilogram in the US, and 2.0 in Europe.
Galaxy Note Series Tests by Samsung:
Let's take a look at the Note series in order to keep this sequential and easier to remember from a timeline fashion of perspective. The Galaxy Note 1 was released first(obviously) and is the model number SGH-I717 for reference. Taken from Samsung's website directly, here are the Note 1 results, including the way that they perform their own measurements:
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You can see in this writing the methods that are used for testing, and that the body specific SAR tests have the device at 1.0 centimeters(CM), equivalent to 10 millimeters(mm) away. Keep this in mind and we'll touch up on this later.
And here are the Note 2 specific values:
And here are the Note 3 specific values:
So as you can see the comparisons above, the Note 3 effectively produces 153% more Head SAR than the Note 2, and 196% more Head SAR than the Note 1!
I would calculate the Body SAR differences but we have a big problem with Samsung's specific tests...they test these values with the device 1.0 CM(or 10mm) away from the body. This Body SAR calculation is useless to you if your phone presses against your body at 0 mm away!
Let's think...why would Samsung measure in this fashion at 1.0 CM away? Well the Note 3 produces 1.28 Body SAR at 1.0 cm away, so the big question is what would it produce at 0 mm away/ AKA in your pants pocket? Maybe it would exceed the FCC limitation of 1.6?
CNET Testing:
Now let's take a look at a recent test performed by CNET on 1/16/14 to see what they have found in differences in the Note series in particular:
The above is literally all of the information they posted where it is tough to tell how the test was performed and/or what body part it was performed against. By comparing the numbers, it seems as though they tested the head only since it matches the Head SAR values by Samsung.
But there is only but one main discrepency...the Note 3 reads 0.63 SAR value by Samsung, while CNET tested it at 0.9 SAR. Which one holds true?
Device Model Top Charts:
As you can see in the following results, our devices do not hold the highest SAR values compared to the worst out there *ehem* Motorola!
And here are the lowest SAR values amonst all devices. Keep in mind how the Note 2 is 4th lowest.
Theorycrafting:
I researched more into studies being performed per the distance of an object from humans and have found some interesting results.
Here is a model of the human head for reference, spefical model for SAR testing:
And here is are one test's results from testing the SAR levels after altering different distances:
This is just me tipping the iceberg to not go on and on.
Shifting gears toward current events, check out 2/14/14's event of the Army buying 7,000 Note 2's for its troops HERE
The reason why I feel that this is relevant is that they definitely would not want to have their troops being exposed to radiation levels higher than other devices. What makes more sense though is that they tested it for quite some time before it was rolled out, but who knows?
General Radiation Reduction Techniques:
-Consider a cell phone radiation reduction case, Google Pong research to get started since I'm probably not allowed to post links
-Consider buying a device with low SAR levels
-Keep the device out of your pocket or anywhere where it is directly against your skin. Even a hip holster might help keep it a few cm away, or carry it in a purse/backpack.
-Use speakerphone as often as possible to keep the device far from your head.
-Devices use the most radiation when beggining and ending calls. Pull the phone away from your head, even if just a few centimeters, when beginning and ending calls.
-Devices also use high radiation when "hunting for a signal". This occurs when your device has no signal, and needs to omit more power consistently to find one. So keep it away at these times.
-Bluetooth uses less radiation, but overall can be more damage from keeping it on your head for long periods of time. LOSE THE BLUETOOTH!
-Text instead of calling whenever it is applicable/feasible
-Don't sleep with the device near your head....think about it, 6+ hours of it so close to your head...
-Last things I wanted to mention are beefing up on certain things you eat.
a.) Eat seaweed, it's very powerful against radiation
b.) Look for natural supplements that particularly repair already damaged cells in your body from radiation. They are alpha lipoic acid and vitamins C and E...BUT ONLY IF YOU DON'T GET THESE FROM NATURAL DIET
Conclusion:
Considering all of the above along with knowing that we are the guinea pigs for long term cell phone radiation, I strongly feel that it's best to consider SAR levels when purchasing a device. The SAR levels are obviously increasing with each new model being released and should be monitored closely.
It seems to show as being a factor toward brain tumors and bone density loss in only 1 of 2 legs in people(where they always kept their cell phone in the same pocket). I did not go much into detail here about these particular researches/tests, but I would recommend to now start looking into the tests performed for "decade-long cell phone radiation exposures". Imagine us after 50 years of exposure, and please feel free to comment here.
Your voice and opinions matter in this world, and you should speak up since you have a right to your own opinions, and I will respect it no matter what. While I don't really know the true effects of the radiation, my opinion is that I'm open minded so I'll keep the cell away from my body to be safe. I will post this across multiple forums that it belongs in and moderators, please let me know if I happen to post this in a forbidden section. Don't censor truth, and let the thread live.
Thank you for your time reading all of this and I hope it helps. If so, please rate the thread 5 stars and hit Thanks solely to promote the spreading of the word.

Thanks for this write-up. I use a headset or speakerphone whenever possible. One of my classmates happens to have written a paper on this topic so the fear has already been instilled in me.
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bigmiketn said:
Thanks for this write-up. I use a headset or speakerphone whenever possible. One of my classmates happens to have written a paper on this topic so the fear has already been instilled in me.
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You're welcome, I'm honored to be one to bring it your attention for your well being!
Oh and I just added a poll if you'd guys like to vote.

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This is a great thread. I really love that you have brought this to attention cause I will place my phone far from my body and not use it unless I have an emergency not related to my Facebook posts.
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I have been doing more research into this. And I'll be honest, it worked me more and more. My kids sleep with cell phone by there head, I charge mine and my wife's next to mine. I have started to make sure we all put our phones in airplane mode while we sleep. I don't know if there's fear mongering going on, but I'm fearful. The internet usually has conflicted articles, but on this subject it seems to be way, way one-sided toward cell damage and such. I love my cell phone and its many uses a whole lot and hate to know (think) it may be harming my family and me. Sorry about the long rant.
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From what I've read, the cellular antennas for the Note 3 are at the bottom of the phone. See linked image from anandtech: http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7376/Screen Shot 2013-09-30 at 3.39.26 PM_575px.png - from article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/7
I've always held most of my phones, while talking, from the bottom corners and resting the earpiece against my ear. Now with this phone I try to hold it from the top, near my head, and let the bottom part curve outward - about 3-4cm from my mouth.
So if anything with the Note 3 we're radiating our lips? And those of us who hold our phone from the bottom - our fingers.
Just having our cellphones 20mm (2cm) further from our bodies halves the SAR radiation. Then is it safe to assume that using this phone is better than most because the cellular antenna is located at the bottom of the phone which sits (at least for me 3-4cm from my face). So I'm getting 4x less radiation than the listed .9 rating?
That said, I rarely use this phone for calling, so during WiFi usage (which is when I'm using it mostly) my hands are at the bottom - maybe 2-3cm from the WiFi radio - and I'm not sure if WiFi is as harmful or not vs cellular?

BigMcGuire said:
From what I've read, the cellular antennas for the Note 3 are at the bottom of the phone. See linked image from anandtech: http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7376/Screen Shot 2013-09-30 at 3.39.26 PM_575px.png - from article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/7
I've always held most of my phones, while talking, from the bottom corners and resting the earpiece against my ear. Now with this phone I try to hold it from the top, near my head, and let the bottom part curve outward - about 3-4cm from my mouth.
So if anything with the Note 3 we're radiating our lips? And those of us who hold our phone from the bottom - our fingers.
Just having our cellphones 20mm (2cm) further from our bodies halves the SAR radiation. Then is it safe to assume that using this phone is better than most because the cellular antenna is located at the bottom of the phone which sits (at least for me 3-4cm from my face). So I'm getting 4x less radiation than the listed .9 rating?
That said, I rarely use this phone for calling, so during WiFi usage (which is when I'm using it mostly) my hands are at the bottom - maybe 2-3cm from the WiFi radio - and I'm not sure if WiFi is as harmful or not vs cellular?
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Great information, thanks for sharing this. When Samsung performs their tests, they test Head and Body SAR at "normal operating position" which I would assume is the device hugging your cheek. It's really tough to gauge the amount of radiation deduction from keeping it further from your head, but is logical to assume that it is much, much less radiation by keeping it a few CM away from your face...and I would say that this is good practice to not have to worry and relax if you do indeed do that.
WiFi is a whole other debatable topic, where the debate is that it is hurting children especially since their skulls are thinner while it is developing.

Moderator clearly didn't agree with my comment earlier, so decided to censor it. No curse words, was on topic... I think this is nonsense, the subject of this propaganda post in general. If you think your cell phone is going to kill you, maybe it was your time.

makeshiftharmony said:
I have been doing more research into this. And I'll be honest, it worked me more and more. My kids sleep with cell phone by there head, I charge mine and my wife's next to mine. I have started to make sure we all put our phones in airplane mode while we sleep. I don't know if there's fear mongering going on, but I'm fearful. The internet usually has conflicted articles, but on this subject it seems to be way, way one-sided toward cell damage and such. I love my cell phone and its many uses a whole lot and hate to know (think) it may be harming my family and me. Sorry about the long rant.
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BigMcGuire said:
From what I've read, the cellular antennas for the Note 3 are at the bottom of the phone. See linked image from anandtech: http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7376/Screen Shot 2013-09-30 at 3.39.26 PM_575px.png - from article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/7
I've always held most of my phones, while talking, from the bottom corners and resting the earpiece against my ear. Now with this phone I try to hold it from the top, near my head, and let the bottom part curve outward - about 3-4cm from my mouth.
So if anything with the Note 3 we're radiating our lips? And those of us who hold our phone from the bottom - our fingers.
Just having our cellphones 20mm (2cm) further from our bodies halves the SAR radiation. Then is it safe to assume that using this phone is better than most because the cellular antenna is located at the bottom of the phone which sits (at least for me 3-4cm from my face). So I'm getting 4x less radiation than the listed .9 rating?
That said, I rarely use this phone for calling, so during WiFi usage (which is when I'm using it mostly) my hands are at the bottom - maybe 2-3cm from the WiFi radio - and I'm not sure if WiFi is as harmful or not vs cellular?
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Good advice here, I'd rather be safe than sorry if possible. This whole post has made me think differently on how I use my phone. Thanks for the info.

[RADIATION] Note 1 vs 2 vs 3, CNET+Samsung Official Results

Wow! That's a lot of info. F*** it! We are all gonna die from some sort of cancer. It is what it is. Well at least I will have my Note 3 to communicate with everyone and let them know how I am gonna die.
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JonSCSL said:
Wow! That's a lot of info. F*** it! We all are gonna die from some sort of cancer. It is what it is. Well at least I will have my Note 3 to communicate with everyone and let them know how I am gonna die.
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I proudly support and encourage this attitude.
It's a phone, I use the heck out of it for talking (bluetooth, though), and won't change that one jot.
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I co-sign with that attitude, no one will live for ever so why not enjoy the time you have!

I just want to point out that the information you're presenting is referring to non-ionizing radiation. Technically speaking, the visible light given off by the LED is electromagnetic "radiation" as well. As innocuous as light seems, it can be harmful in certain situations: UV light can cause skin damage, blue light may contribute to vision problem like macular degeneration, use of cell phones at night (such as lying in bed) can disrupt circadian rhythms which has a whole host of secondary health effects.
My point is, the radiation you're talking about is electrons moving. It's not the kind of radiation that comes from an X-ray, or a linear acceleration, or a dirty bomb, or the fallout from nuclear detonations, etc. Those kinds of radiation, ionizing radiation, pose serious health risks.
I'm not saying there are no negative health effects from the EM radiation cell phones produce, but no one should confuse the potential for harm with the well-established harmful effects of ionizing radiation. I'm of the personal opinion that the amount of EM put off by a cell phone poses much less harm to our bodies than a modern lifestyle: sedentary, poor nutrition, toxic chemicals in the environment, air pollution, etc. etc.
Truth be told, if the FCC would let us get away with it, I would have no problem cranking up the power of the antenna in order to get better signal.

People worry way too much about stuff. Use your phone like a phone. By the time your radiation exposure is high enough to be of concern, you will have been dead for a long time. Please dont encourage people to use speaker phone as often as possible, its already bad enough that we have to hear one side of the conversation of people who feel they have to yell into the phone right by their face.
BTW. Samsung doesnt test at 1cm, the FCC does.It's a standardized test that is part of the approval process. And, its very unlikely that the Army chose the Note 2 due to radiation levels....

I for one thank you for providing this information. FCC, FDA and the Government alike are all trying to kill us so I will defiantly heed your warning and will think twice about taking a call. I do not want any type of cancer and I would like to see my children and my grandchildren. I know one day I will die but we should not be paying Samsung or any OEM to kill us slowly like we pay the Government, Pharmaceuticals, and our jobs that we give our life to so that day will come sooner. You idiots sound like r-tards. Use your freaking brain, wake the f* up people!

[SPECS] Samsung Gear Circle - Member Thoughts, Experiences And Questions

Hey all
Here is a thread to discuss the Samsung Gear Circle and how it operates with the Gear S. Feel free to ask a question about the device, or if you own a gear circle, please post your experiences with it.
Samsung Gear Circle Specifications:
Speaker - 12Φ Dynamic
Microphone - Single MEMS
Codec - SBC, apt-X, Samsung HD
Connectivity - Bluetooth 3.0 BT Profile: HSP / HFP / A2DP / AVRCP Multi Point Connection, Micro USB (Charging only)
Sensors - Magnetic Sensor (Hall IC), Touch Sensor
Battery - 180mAh Li-ion (Standby 300h / Talk 11h / Play Time 9h)
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I wish it had active noise cancelling like the Nokia Bluetooth headset.

What is the different between the Samsung Gear Circle and the LG Tone Plus (Which I currently have) the both go around your neck(So to speak) you can answer calls listen to music have spoken text. So am I just paying for the Brand of Samsung or is there a big difference?

I also have and absolutely love the Tone + and would love to know if:
the majority of the weight on the back of your neck could be an issue after a while (I wear my tone + all day long and don't feel a thing).
they slide off to one side, or bounce on your neck when running.
using one plug in yiur ear and leaving one plug out would create an imbalance.
About that last point, the Note + keep the plugs in place through magnets, but I can not imagine how this would work with the Circle. They seem to be really designed to be used in both ears or none at all. I sometimes need to hear my environment, including when driving and running.

xendula said:
I also have and absolutely love the Tone + and would love to know if:
the majority of the weight on the back of your neck could be an issue after a while (I wear my tone + all day long and don't feel a thing).
they slide off to one side, or bounce on your neck when running.
using one plug in yiur ear and leaving one plug out would create an imbalance.
About that last point, the Note + keep the plugs in place through magnets, but I can not imagine how this would work with the Circle. They seem to be really designed to be used in both ears or none at all. I sometimes need to hear my environment, including when driving and running.
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I bought the the gear circle and I love it. It's lightweight. When I'm not using it i sometimes forget I'm wearing it. It also comes with 3 different neck guards to keep it in place so it won't slide or bounce even with one ear plug in. I have set up the eq and it sounds great.
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I bought the the gear circle and I love it. It's lightweight. When I'm not using it i sometimes forget I'm wearing it. It also comes with 3 different neck guards to keep it in place so it won't slide or bounce even with one ear plug in. I have set up the eq and it sounds great.
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Oooh, now I get what the neckguards are all about! Thanks for the pic!!
If you wanted to go running with only one earplug in, is there a way to attach the other plug to the neckguard so it won't bounce around?

xendula said:
Oooh, now I get what the neckguards are all about! Thanks for the pic!!
If you wanted to go running with only one earplug in, is there a way to attach the other plug to the neckguard so it won't bounce around?
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No problem, if you use only one plug the other one will dangle, I usually just tuck it under my shirt.
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Why does the circle need the Samsung gear app?

scoobrel said:
No problem, if you use only one plug the other one will dangle, I usually just tuck it under my shirt.
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Thanks. I guess for my use case, the Tone + are a better fit, then.

LG tone vs Gear Circle
Having all the LG headsets, I believe the Gear Circle to be a better active headset. I have been using the headset for a week now. Audio quality is better than the LG line. The noise isolation is better than the LG line and the feel is better than the infinim headset. my only complaint is the ear buds could be much smaller. Here is my unboxing and pairing videos. I will have a pros and cons later this week., http://youtu.be/UT4NiDGOwLU unboxing and this is the setup one. http://youtu.be/9Us7oRuprn8

Thanks. Now I know for sure these would not work for me: I can't stand earplugs that are designed like this (half in half out), and once I saw them in your hand, I realized how large the pieces in front of the earplus are, which would be hanging off my ears.
For now, LG is still my number one. Maybe the Circle 2. ..

ebpman said:
Having all the LG headsets, I believe the Gear Circle to be a better active headset. I have been using the headset for a week now. Audio quality is better than the LG line. The noise isolation is better than the LG line and the feel is better than the infinim headset. my only complaint is the ear buds could be much smaller. Here is my unboxing and pairing videos. I will have a pros and cons later this week., http://youtu.be/UT4NiDGOwLU unboxing and this is the setup one. http://youtu.be/9Us7oRuprn8
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Nice unboxing sir? You show a good view to the flexibility of the the device, and to the sizes of the ear plugs. Have much flop is there with the neck brace on?
Thank You

I find that the circle slides backward. When it does (because of the weight of the neck support unit) it pulls the buds out of my ears. The Tones do not. I have the infinitum; should have stayed with the unit with active noise cancelling. Sound in all units is excellent. However, nothing matches the noise cancelling ability of my bose in-ear units. However, they require a headset jack.

My review of the Circle.
I just recently JUMPed from the Note 3 to the Note 4. In the time between Tmo updated it's EIP plan to include some accessories so for an additional 6 bucks a month I decided to get the Circle.
I have never had wireless headphones before, and have often been frustrated with wires. Mow a lawn and have one cough in a bush and ripped out of your ear is always fun! I am also a big walker, and music fan so I walk all over the place and always am listening to music. All this needs to be in context to my review.
I was concerned each ear bud would be heavier and stick out farther than I was use to. Would it be a problem when wearing winter hat a hood over that and a scarf around my neck? Would the weight pull the bud out of my ear? I have this odd problem where my ears differ slightly in size and the only reason I know this is that for all my life one side would hold an ear bud nice and snug and the other would always need to be pushed back in every few minutes. I have to say that none of these concerns have been a problem, though the one side does slip from time to time as is normal no matter the weight.
The lack of media controls is also a no issue problem. It is easier to pull my phone out than to dig under tightly wrapped winter head wear to skip a song. Even more so now that I don't have a wire running under a layer up to my ears. That wire was also the only reason I could justify getting a useless smart watch, the wireless headphones have killed any desire for one.
I'm a guitarist that was on and off stage, practices, loud rock and roll.. yada yada yada... also have blasted loud rock and roll into my ears wearing headphones pretty much anywhere and everywhere I went for 20 years. So my hearing isn't great. In that light, these head phones sound as good, if not a little better than the standard stock ear buds Samsung sent with the Note 3. Which were not that bad. One little annoyance is the little "bloop" noise that Samsung has enabled by default every time you touch something. When wearing the Circle and no other audio playing, you would hear the head phones turn on, the bloop, than a millisecond later the headphones turn off. I relate it to old tape player head sets. When you hit play from the start of a tape you would hear that white noise before the first song started. It is only a short time, but so blatantly noticeable. It turns one noise, the bloop, into 3 noises. I did turn off that bloop in a hurry.
The neck brace keeps the hanging part well in place and after a short time you forget it is there. It is a bit awkward and different for me, I am still having to remind myself which way it goes on.
The magnetic clasp is awesome, but I think it is only there for when you are not wearing the neck brace, and as a fancy way for Samsung to tell the phone you are trying to answer a call. It isn't exactly fashionable when clasped and as a male I can tuck it just barely under my shirt. I can't imagine a female showing even the smallest amount of skin would want to wear these long term around her neck.
I have never owned a noise canceling set so it is hard for me to compare. I will say that I can do the dishes with these on and not hear the dishes clanking very well. Well enough to me!
Connecting to my phone was a breeze and I wonder if that is because I have Samsung Touch Wiz or what ever it is called running as my Android OS. That isn't going to last long and I wonder how well The Gear App will work on non touch wiz OS's. I also wonder how the firmware will be updated in the future if needed.
Other things, nit picking now. I don't like that Sammy didn't provide a nice, neater way to charge/store the device when you are not wearing it. Traditional earbuds I could wrap up nice and neat and put in my pocket. Even sitting on my desk they are kinda just curled up and sitting there. For example, the Moto 360 comes with that nice mount/rack that charges it and turns the device into a clock. Why couldn't Sammy run with the magnetic idea and have a little mount that the neck rest part of the Circle, even with the neck brace magnetically snaps into place and starts charging.
I wonder how long the little cover piece over the micro usb charging port is going to stay in place.
What happens when my neck brace breaks? While I'm sure I could google this right now, it is just a concern of mine.
When it is summer and 90+ degrees out and I'm doing yard work. How are the earbuds and neck brace going to handle the sweat?
A side note about charging the device. I got really good with the battery life on my Note 3 and have no doubts I'll have the same manner of success with the 4. Also hoping that those lemon batteries make a note 4 model. This and an On the Go micro usb to standard usb female cable I have should make emergency charging a breeze with out killing my phones battery.
I can't think of anything else. If anyone has questions about the Circle and Note 4 relationship or about the Circle itself please feel free to message me!
Nick

Anyone here experiencing pairing issues with gear circle and host samsung phone? I have a tab S and it does pair to gear Circle and use it as BT headset. Thing is, gear manager cant seem to detect the gear circle, it keeps on connrcting to my gear 2. I tried everything from reinstalling gear manager to force pairing but it still cant detect the circle. Any advise?

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ThE_SoUrCe said:
Anyone here experiencing pairing issues with gear circle and host samsung phone? I have a tab S and it does pair to gear Circle and use it as BT headset. Thing is, gear manager cant seem to detect the gear circle, it keeps on connrcting to my gear 2. I tried everything from reinstalling gear manager to force pairing but it still cant detect the circle. Any advise?
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Exchange them if you can. I bought a pair that had trouble connecting and the touch volume didn't work. Tried to unsync, resync, nothing. Replaced and made sure to sync only in Gear Manger and never a problem since. But that's my experience.
I only wished noise supression mics. My wife hears the wind under my motorcycle helmet but I had some cheap Quikcell BT that were flawless. Debating about returning but the sound quality is outstanding for me.

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Exchange them if you can. I bought a pair that had trouble connecting and the touch volume didn't work. Tried to unsync, resync, nothing. Replaced and made sure to sync only in Gear Manger and never a problem since. But that's my experience.
I only wished noise supression mics. My wife hears the wind under my motorcycle helmet but I had some cheap Quikcell BT that were flawless. Debating about returning but the sound quality is outstanding for me.
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We have another circle here and it's the same story, perhaps tab S is not fully supported yet, we could pair it as headset though.

ThE_SoUrCe said:
We have another circle here and it's the same story, perhaps tab S is not fully supported yet, we could pair it as headset though.
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Mist likely the case then.

My Gear Circle
I started using Gear Circle since three days and I am loving it. I am using it in conjunction Gear S and the whole experience is amazing. The sound is great, compared to other headphones in this range the sound is not that good but yes the functionality it offers is simply amazing. The Gear app is a headache initially but later on when you start using it you will realize that the app is worth the hassles. Overall I will give it an 8/10.

Unfortunately I was not a fan of the Gear Circle. My personal opinion is that if your just using them to make calls or listen to music and you don't do a lot of physical movement than they work fine. Sound quality was great but found that the range compared to other Bluetooth headsets I have was not to great. I work out in the gym alot and also run and having to keep pushing the ear buds back in constantly was a pain. And yes I was using the supplied neck piece. Its also had some issues pairing to my Gear S. Pairing to my Note Edge was fine. So returned them and for now I will continue to use my Rocketfish Bluetooth Stereo headset, which has never failed me and for 50 bucks does everything I need.

MPOW Swift Bluetooth Headphones {mini review}

I am reviewing a pair of headphones which I was sent for review. I am not employed or been paid by MPOW for this review....
Amazon Link
http://www.amazon.com/Headphones-Mpow-High-fidelity-Smartphones-Fluorescence/dp/B00NZTHGN2/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1436331296&sr=1-1&keywords=mpow
I have used bluetooth in ear headsets before, like the Sony Ericsson MW600's where you can use your choice of earbuds, but has a clip, but never had workout type ones. I have the Sol Republic Tracks Air now and love those and so does my 6 year old lol. Crazy battery life (13hrs!) but not meant for yard work, which I use them for currently. In the past, I have used the Plantronics Pulsar 590(A) and wore those until they literally fell apart.
I understand that bluetooth vs wired entirely. This review is not intended to compare that; just reviewing the unit itself.
Upon opening the small packaging, there were two smaller boxes. One housed the headphones. The other all the accessories like the different sized ear buds and wings. Oh and also a micro usb charging cable. Along with that you get the instruction pamphlet along with some QR codes to follow them on FB or/and Twitter, which I am not really active on Twitter and I do not have a FB account.
One thing I did wish they included was either a guide on how to put them on and which ear wings to generally put them on. I had to research it online and found some reviews on Amazon with included pics on how to orient the wings and how to actually wear the buds. I am sure others that work out or have similar "winged" bluetooth headsets are familiar on the use and wear of it, but I sure was not. Took me a good 15 mins to get it right. Now I am a pro and can put those buds in within a seconds time. Those wings are super comfy once you get you used to them. I have small ears so naturally I installed the smallest earbuds and wings on each side and when I finally figured out the correct way to wear them, it went in like a glove.
One other thing is that because of my old eyes, I couldn't make out which was the right side vs the left side of the headphones. I had to look at the headphones at an angle to tell. Again, it's my eyes. LOL.
Pairing was a breeze to my Nexus 6. And looking at the box besides me, the wings are entirely different. They resemble butterfly wings where on the box still depicts the circle wings.
Charging up, was pretty easy. You have to lift the plug out and plug in a micro usb. Mine charged up pretty fast and turned blue within 15 mins. I turned on to pair and went in without a hitch. You have to unplug before doing the initial pairing, which you need to press the "MPOW" button for 5 seconds to get into the pairing mode, where it blinks red and blue.
My first tunes testing these guys out was the Fast and Furious 7 soundtrack. Tell you initially sounded tinny, but I knew like other headphones, even in ears need some sort of break-in period. When I got home from work, I powered them up and put the music on again. And within about 20 minutes, I could tell the sounds were warming up. The bass was a bit more prevalent and the vocals were a bit more defined. No I am not an audiophile, but I know what "I" like and "I" like, no LOVE to use my V-Moda M100's whenever I can because of the clarity of it all.
Is it bassy? At first nope. But once you warm it up and start listening to songs you will find that the bass will warm up and feel pretty good actually. I was impressed on how much these bluetooth in ears produced. No it's nothing like beats or even my BT Sol Republics Tracks Air, but we are talking about tiny drivers here compared to those. And the audio does not disappoint.
Fast forward an hour after the soundtrack has finished. I then opted over to the Google Play Music to try the free radio service (with ads of course). This time I went with female vocals; Jessie J's recent album. Again, I was greeted with warm vocals with matching bass. Not too much bass, It's like the MPOWs know their limits. No fuzzies and no real noise to speak of. However, I did find disconnects whenever I was at my kitchen sink. I am not sure why. Initially, I thought I was too far away from my phone, but I was able to head over to my garage without an issue. I also have a LG G Watch R and that is still connected. to the same phone, so I don't know why it starts skipping and disconnects only at the sink with the water running.
Now to the battery...the packaging says about 5 hours and I can say I went three straight the first day and today went about one. There is a tone indicator to let me know if it runs low, but I didn't meet it yet.
The buttons are kind of difficult to get to at first. They are all on the right ear piece. The volume up/down and the "MPOW" button that you used before to pair the phone is also the answer/end/mute/play/pause button/on indicator. The volume rocker buttons also have multiple functions as well. They are used for skipping through tracks by either long or short pressing it. And the volume is device specific. Meaning it has it's own level and not tied to the phone. I have not taken or made a call with it on yet. I'll try that tomorrow.
Now wearing it for the second day, it is very easy to put on and to take out, it takes a little practice to take out without pulling on your ear lobe lol. Other than including a fit and use guide for newbies, I would have loved to have a carrying case or pouch to put them away. I have a bag full of different cords and either a cord manager at the very least would have been a welcomed accessory. I personally use a old Oakley glasses bag to carry them up and cinch up the top to close. Well, you can only fit so much in that small tiny box I guess!
Pros:
Pretty small
Light weight
Sound is clear
Sound isolation is pretty good (didn't even hear the wife come into the house and didn't hear her talking to me lol)
Easy to put on and off once you get accustomed to the process.
You can wear glasses with these!
Different ear buds and wings to best fit ones ears.
Range is pretty good
Auto-connects upon powering up
Available in different colors
and Comfy once you get used to the winged inserts.
Cons:
Interference when washing dishes or at the kitchen sink
No guide or a piece of paper to guide on how to wear the MPOW.
No carrying case/pouch
Bottom line, do I recommend these? For $30 bux (Amazon) http://www.amazon.com/Headphones-Mpow-High-fidelity-Smartphones-Fluorescence/dp/B00NZTHGN2/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1436331296&sr=1-1&keywords=mpow ;
I can't say no it's now worth it. The wings alone that keep the buds in when working out or doing yard work is a great feature. I can't tell you how many times I knock my Sol Republic Track Airs off my head lol.
Any questions please ask!
Now for the pics!
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Hi kpjimmy...
Did you ever noticed issues with the sound routing?
if´ve got heavy issues when connected via BT to my lg g4 playing music with screen locked.
The sound is always routet to the internal speaker. when unlocking and pause play mostly it works.
Thanks

aceintheplace said:
Hi kpjimmy...
Did you ever noticed issues with the sound routing?
if´ve got heavy issues when connected via BT to my lg g4 playing music with screen locked.
The sound is always routet to the internal speaker. when unlocking and pause play mostly it works.
Thanks
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I've had different type of issues but related to being on Android 7.0 Previews and were worked out in future previews. Have you tried different music players on the phone?

Hey..
Thanks for your fast reply.
same thing with the build in LG music player..
i will double check it with my mobile bluetooth speaker...
cheers
flo

kpjimmy said:
I am reviewing a pair of headphones which I was sent for review. I am not employed or been paid by MPOW for this review....
Amazon Link
http://www.amazon.com/Headphones-Mpow-High-fidelity-Smartphones-Fluorescence/dp/B00NZTHGN2/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1436331296&sr=1-1&keywords=mpow
I have used bluetooth in ear headsets before, like the Sony Ericsson MW600's where you can use your choice of earbuds, but has a clip, but never had workout type ones. I have the Sol Republic Tracks Air now and love those and so does my 6 year old lol. Crazy battery life (13hrs!) but not meant for yard work, which I use them for currently. In the past, I have used the Plantronics Pulsar 590(A) and wore those until they literally fell apart.
I understand that bluetooth vs wired entirely. This review is not intended to compare that; just reviewing the unit itself.
Upon opening the small packaging, there were two smaller boxes. One housed the headphones. The other all the accessories like the different sized ear buds and wings. Oh and also a micro usb charging cable. Along with that you get the instruction pamphlet along with some QR codes to follow them on FB or/and Twitter, which I am not really active on Twitter and I do not have a FB account.
One thing I did wish they included was either a guide on how to put them on and which ear wings to generally put them on. I had to research it online and found some reviews on Amazon with included pics on how to orient the wings and how to actually wear the buds. I am sure others that work out or have similar "winged" bluetooth headsets are familiar on the use and wear of it, but I sure was not. Took me a good 15 mins to get it right. Now I am a pro and can put those buds in within a seconds time. Those wings are super comfy once you get you used to them. I have small ears so naturally I installed the smallest earbuds and wings on each side and when I finally figured out the correct way to wear them, it went in like a glove.
One other thing is that because of my old eyes, I couldn't make out which was the right side vs the left side of the headphones. I had to look at the headphones at an angle to tell. Again, it's my eyes. LOL.
Pairing was a breeze to my Nexus 6. And looking at the box besides me, the wings are entirely different. They resemble butterfly wings where on the box still depicts the circle wings.
Charging up, was pretty easy. You have to lift the plug out and plug in a micro usb. Mine charged up pretty fast and turned blue within 15 mins. I turned on to pair and went in without a hitch. You have to unplug before doing the initial pairing, which you need to press the "MPOW" button for 5 seconds to get into the pairing mode, where it blinks red and blue.
My first tunes testing these guys out was the Fast and Furious 7 soundtrack. Tell you initially sounded tinny, but I knew like other headphones, even in ears need some sort of break-in period. When I got home from work, I powered them up and put the music on again. And within about 20 minutes, I could tell the sounds were warming up. The bass was a bit more prevalent and the vocals were a bit more defined. No I am not an audiophile, but I know what "I" like and "I" like, no LOVE to use my V-Moda M100's whenever I can because of the clarity of it all.
Is it bassy? At first nope. But once you warm it up and start listening to songs you will find that the bass will warm up and feel pretty good actually. I was impressed on how much these bluetooth in ears produced. No it's nothing like beats or even my BT Sol Republics Tracks Air, but we are talking about tiny drivers here compared to those. And the audio does not disappoint.
Fast forward an hour after the soundtrack has finished. I then opted over to the Google Play Music to try the free radio service (with ads of course). This time I went with female vocals; Jessie J's recent album. Again, I was greeted with warm vocals with matching bass. Not too much bass, It's like the MPOWs know their limits. No fuzzies and no real noise to speak of. However, I did find disconnects whenever I was at my kitchen sink. I am not sure why. Initially, I thought I was too far away from my phone, but I was able to head over to my garage without an issue. I also have a LG G Watch R and that is still connected. to the same phone, so I don't know why it starts skipping and disconnects only at the sink with the water running.
Now to the battery...the packaging says about 5 hours and I can say I went three straight the first day and today went about one. There is a tone indicator to let me know if it runs low, but I didn't meet it yet.
The buttons are kind of difficult to get to at first. They are all on the right ear piece. The volume up/down and the "MPOW" button that you used before to pair the phone is also the answer/end/mute/play/pause button/on indicator. The volume rocker buttons also have multiple functions as well. They are used for skipping through tracks by either long or short pressing it. And the volume is device specific. Meaning it has it's own level and not tied to the phone. I have not taken or made a call with it on yet. I'll try that tomorrow.
Now wearing it for the second day, it is very easy to put on and to take out, it takes a little practice to take out without pulling on your ear lobe lol. Other than including a fit and use guide for newbies, I would have loved to have a carrying case or pouch to put them away. I have a bag full of different cords and either a cord manager at the very least would have been a welcomed accessory. I personally use a old Oakley glasses bag to carry them up and cinch up the top to close. Well, you can only fit so much in that small tiny box I guess!
Pros:
Pretty small
Light weight
Sound is clear
Sound isolation is pretty good (didn't even hear the wife come into the house and didn't hear her talking to me lol)
Easy to put on and off once you get accustomed to the process.
You can wear glasses with these!
Different ear buds and wings to best fit ones ears.
Range is pretty good
Auto-connects upon powering up
Available in different colors
and Comfy once you get used to the winged inserts.
Cons:
Interference when washing dishes or at the kitchen sink
No guide or a piece of paper to guide on how to wear the MPOW.
No carrying case/pouch
Bottom line, do I recommend these? For $30 bux (Amazon) http://www.amazon.com/Headphones-Mpow-High-fidelity-Smartphones-Fluorescence/dp/B00NZTHGN2/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1436331296&sr=1-1&keywords=mpow ;
I can't say no it's now worth it. The wings alone that keep the buds in when working out or doing yard work is a great feature. I can't tell you how many times I knock my Sol Republic Track Airs off my head lol.
Any questions please ask!
Now for the pics!
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Do these ear buds completely block outside sounds, or can they be used while driving?

rotorbudd said:
Do these ear buds completely block outside sounds, or can they be used while driving?
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No they aren't Bose so no nothing like that. They do block a lot of the outside noise though. I have never used headphones while driving so I cannot say if it can be used that way.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

I have an issue with mine.
When I turn them on and try to pair them, the light doesnt flash red and blue, it stays purple.
Also the voice which says "Power on" and "Power off" doesnt sound right.
Can anyone help?

Question Camera rattle/moving by itself

Hello i hope you are well, this is my first post after a long long time i lost my xda and email acc so im writing from my new profile.
I recently got the S23U 512GB the green color something like a month after the release and everything was superb until recently i noticed the camera rattle and by camera rattle i don't mean when you shake it like in some cases i saw on YT and read on google, i read almost everything i could find about previous models and understood the concept of the "camera rattle".
My case i think is a bit different and what bothers me is that i'm the only one that uses-using the phone the phone didn't fall no drop whatsoever so my issue is that the camera moves like if you put a small object (coin,small rock) in a tin can and move it (not shake it) in the same maner i feel something in the phone moving for example phone is in portrait i tilt it to landscape i hear and feel it move and make a "tick" also when the phone is on the table i pick it up and tilt it to my ear to answer a call i hear and feel it the same way and its driving me nuts.
The cameras work fine and when x10 is active the noise-click is harder to notice but is there but i have no issue with them, do you have any idea about this dont know what to do as in my country i don't have samsung retails and don't know what to do...

Ignore it or have it serviced. Not much else you can do...

blackhawk said:
Ignore it or have it serviced. Not much else you can do...
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By service what do you mean? Replace the cameras?

Yes. I would ignore it. Close the cam app when not in use. The cam normally should not be active when using the phone. wtf?
Try in safe mode to try and rule out a rogue 3rd party app.
Try clearing the system cache and cam data.
Try a factory reset. You can try reflashing it but doubt this will resolve it. Contact Samsung.
The micro motors used for optical image stabilization normally make slight sounds.
Never been aware of them on my Androids though.

The lens is supposed to move - that is how it is able to still take very clear focused photos while the user is unable to hold it very still or if the person using the camera is in a moving car on a bumpy road, etc.
I just listened while I shook my phone (S23 Ultra 512GB) a little bit - and I do hear a little 'rattle'. I have never noticed that before.
I am guessing but I would think that all the extra attention given to the camera lately (as it was considerably improved in a lot of ways) that they also updated the ability for the lens to be more sensisitve to movement, and that noise is probably the lens banging against the sides of it's lieelt enclosure. I am surprised however that if that is the case, they did not take this into consideracion and place a softer barrier around the lens so that when it bangs around you would not hear any noise - maybe they missed that in the latest go-around with their overall design changes - ?
I treat my phone like a piece of jewelry almost, only put it into a pocket that is empty, etc. - and so in my case I do not think there would be any issue as it is so very expensive I treat mine with kid gloves. I just got this phone to replace a Note 10+ 5G 512MB that had just started to fail - which I was surprised to note that I had it for 5 years - but got a great trade-in deal for it as it still looked like new.
Now that this has been brought to my attention I will also never really want to shake it at all and might sometimes worry about that... sheesh! (ugh!)
Thoughts - is this the cause of the slight 'rattle' noise? The best way is to walk inito a store where they have doisplay samnples - and just shake one.... If i remember I'll do that one of these days and report back here -

KruseLudsMobile said:
The lens is supposed to move - that is how it is able to still take very clear focused photos while the user is unable to hold it very still or if the person using the camera is in a moving car on a bumpy road, etc.
I just listened while I shook my phone (S23 Ultra 512GB) a little bit - and I do hear a little 'rattle'. I have never noticed that before.
I am guessing but I would think that all the extra attention given to the camera lately (as it was considerably improved in a lot of ways) that they also updated the ability for the lens to be more sensisitve to movement, and that noise is probably the lens banging against the sides of it's lieelt enclosure. I am surprised however that if that is the case, they did not take this into consideracion and place a softer barrier around the lens so that when it bangs around you would not hear any noise - maybe they missed that in the latest go-around with their overall design changes - ?
I treat my phone like a piece of jewelry almost, only put it into a pocket that is empty, etc. - and so in my case I do not think there would be any issue as it is so very expensive I treat mine with kid gloves. I just got this phone to replace a Note 10+ 5G 512MB that had just started to fail - which I was surprised to note that I had it for 5 years - but got a great trade-in deal for it as it still looked like new.
Now that this has been brought to my attention I will also never really want to shake it at all and might sometimes worry about that... sheesh! (ugh!)
Thoughts - is this the cause of the slight 'rattle' noise? The best way is to walk inito a store where they have doisplay samnples - and just shake one.... If i remember I'll do that one of these days and report back here -
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Um... it hasn't been 4 years yet for the N10+; got mine a month after they became available (N975U), it will be 4yo in October.
Shaking the phone won't damage the OIS but a high G impact might. ALWAYS use a good case like the Zizo Bolt to protect these heavy corner hitting, face planting happy phones from falls.

I tested 2 in store and none had this but neither had mine before. As for case i have the UAG plasma case paid 45$ and i think its tough enough but my cameras are fine but sounds crazy the rattle.

Need to mention no need to shake the phone just by moving it left to right or 90° it clicks-rattles

When not using the phone the camera lens will be lose. When I shake my s23 ultra I can hear lose parts from 100x camera lens and this is normal to hear when your not using the camera at all. But once I activate camera app and use x10 the rattle noise goes away.
You are hearing this noise because lens that moves forward and backwards between chip layer and mirror layer is light weight and when camera app is off or not on x10 then you will hear rattle noise from bottom camera lens. By just placing the phone to your ear or shaking it.
So this is not an defect and has been there since s20.

Jake.S said:
When not using the phone the camera lens will be lose. When I shake my s23 ultra I can hear lose parts from 100x camera lens and this is normal to hear when your not using the camera at all. But once I activate camera app and use x10 the rattle noise goes away.
You are hearing this noise because lens that moves forward and backwards between chip layer and mirror layer is light weight and when camera app is off or not on x10 then you will hear rattle noise from bottom camera lens. By just placing the phone to your ear or shaking it.
So this is not an defect and has been there since s20.
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Lol, that's disconcerting. You'd think it have a "parked" position. Nevertheless it's likely normal.
On all my Canon lens with OIS the only time, if ever, you hear them would be when active. On my N10+'s I have never heard a peep from the OIS no matter what I do. Anymore when Samsung makes "improvements" I cringe. It didn't use to be like this...
Hey Sammy how about you design a flagship with the sub chassis layout like the S22U with the spen on the RIGHT side, expandable storage and efficiency that exceeds the N10+'s per mAh. Instead of jamming in heavier, larger, higher capacity batteries that get less SOT than the N10+ (1N975U1).
Can you do that? Or you just going to keep making lame excuses for your dropped balls?

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Lol, that's disconcerting. You'd think it have a "parked" position. Nevertheless it's likely normal.
On all my Canon lens with OIS the only time, if ever, you hear them would be when active. On my N10+'s I have never heard a peep from the OIS no matter what I do. Anymore when Samsung makes "improvements" I cringe. It didn't use to be like this...
Hey Sammy how about you design a flagship with the sub chassis layout like the S22U with the spen on the RIGHT side, expandable storage and efficiency that exceeds the N10+'s per mAh. Instead of jamming in heavier, larger, higher capacity batteries that get less SOT than the N10+ (1N975U1).
Can you do that? Or you just going to keep making lame excuses for your dropped balls?
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Reason why you didn't hear it on n10+ it is because that phone did not have a 100x zoom lens so which is square one.

Jake.S said:
Reason why you didn't hear it on n10+ it is because that phone did not have a 100x zoom lens so which is square one.
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It has OIS lense though. Really the cams on the N10+ are more than adequate. Samsung's increasing use of AI image processing is unwanted by many. The airbrushed plastic fb girls love it. Fking toon world. Like I said about Samsung's "improvements" nowadays. They read like a cheat sheet...

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It has OIS lense though. Really the cams on the N10+ are more than adequate. Samsung's increasing use of AI image processing is unwanted by many. The airbrushed plastic fb girls love it. Fking toon world. Like I said about Samsung's "improvements" nowadays. They read like a cheat sheet...
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Jake.S said:
When not using the phone the camera lens will be lose. When I shake my s23 ultra I can hear lose parts from 100x camera lens and this is normal to hear when your not using the camera at all. But once I activate camera app and use x10 the rattle noise goes away.
You are hearing this noise because lens that moves forward and backwards between chip layer and mirror layer is light weight and when camera app is off or not on x10 then you will hear rattle noise from bottom camera lens. By just placing the phone to your ear or shaking it.
So this is not an defect and has been there since s20.
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I understand this but my phone didnt have this at the begining maybe first 2 months got thr phone on 27th february. Also when i compared it to 2 demo devices rattle was diferent mine id now so sensitive slightest left to right or right to left movement and you hear it maybe it is something with an update issue?

metko.x360 said:
I understand this but my phone didnt have this at the begining maybe first 2 months got thr phone on 27th february. Also when i compared it to 2 demo devices rattle was diferent mine id now so sensitive slightest left to right or right to left movement and you hear it maybe it is something with an update issue?
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If you live in a country where claiming warranty is as easy as getting meal, i suggest to just get a replacement.
I always know that any smartphones that have OIS will have tiny rattle sound when shaked, but not to the point you can hear it, unless you really shake it close to your ear and you really trying hard to listen it,
i just shake my P7P and S23U, and if any, my Pixel "rattle" more. And by "more" , it still hardly noticeable.
So, if it really that noticeable, i suggest return it and get a new one.

Just walk into a store that has the model on display and shake it. If it's the same sound you have no issue.

I can confirm mine has rattle sound. I think it's normal and appear when I really shake the phone. Not when I rotate from portrait to lanscape

otonieru said:
If you live in a country where claiming warranty is as easy as getting meal, i suggest to just get a replacement.
I always know that any smartphones that have OIS will have tiny rattle sound when shaked, but not to the point you can hear it, unless you really shake it close to your ear and you really trying hard to listen it,
i just shake my P7P and S23U, and if any, my Pixel "rattle" more. And by "more" , it still hardly noticeable.
So, if it really that noticeable, i suggest return it and get a new one.
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I have no warranty...

metko.x360 said:
I have no warranty...
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Meh, just ignore it for now. It may never cause any operational issues.

blackhawk said:
Meh, just ignore it for now. It may never cause any operational issues.
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I didnt notice any issuess until now just the annoying rattle, i found on aliexpres the periscope cam x10 for 27$ what do you think about the replacing the camera?

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