This is not intended to be mean to the ap team but i am posting this because i feel they should of been honest to us from the beginning and just said we can't release yet. My reasons for feeling this way are listed below
1. About 1 month after pk3 dual was released, pawel and the rest of the team changed their signature to rom: top secret and it had been like that even after hdubli posted a ported copy of wm6.1.... why did'nt pawel post a wm6.1 rom when he changed rom to top secret?
2. the team keeps saying stuff like we have a BT bug or screen problems and i realize that there are some updates on the ati driver and stuff but the BT stack that is on the wm6.1 that hdubli released works great. i can use a BT mouse and a BT keyboard, and BT headphone all at the same time and it works great. I can provide a vid if there are doubts
3. Most is importantly even BoyGeniusReport says http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/28/htcs-manilla-gets-screenshotted/ this rom is from the x7510. something i said on the "Athena Project 4.0 coming, but needs...." post 228 but pawel denied this is post 229
in conclusion everyone should stop looking for the release of this rom and start looking for the release of the x7510 cause then and only then will this rom be released. I am only posting this so people can have a realistic outlook on the rom and can stop being dissapointed everyday in the hope it will be released. I did not post this to come down on the team i just feel like there is so much tension on this fourm and i wanted to make my thoughts known.
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Hypothetically speaking...
... Even if this were the case, why would you want him to release pre-release software that could get him in trouble or again, hypothetically, his *source* in trouble? People get fired for leaking stuff, sometimes worse. Personally, I don't need to know where this stuff comes from.
How about we let him work on things and hey, at least there's a better chance that he'll be able to bring us more HTC gems for a possible v5.0.
ok dude the rom is a 7510 rom but no way do i have to wait for it to be released. there still isn't a solid release date. the rom i could give u right now but it needs to properly be tested and bugs be fixed. we release with bugs, u guys complain, we look bad. i can take complaining before the rom then praises when it comes out.
also we have had 6.1 for a while. something like november i got the first athena 6.1 rom with build 19145 if im not mistaken. we have had 6.1 even before that though.
toastedlogic said:
... Even if this were the case, why would you want him to release pre-release software that could get him in trouble or again, hypothetically, his *source* in trouble? People get fired for leaking stuff, sometimes worse. Personally, I don't need to know where this stuff comes from.
How about we let him work on things and hey, at least there's a better chance that he'll be able to bring us more HTC gems for a possible v5.0.
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1st i never said once that he should release it. what is said was he should tell us he cant release it. i don't remember anywhere in my post and any post for that matter where i said "you should release it right now even if it will get you into trouble or even if its not ready"
On a side note - i also live in orlando, fl and goto ucf do you play halo?
Go Knights!
irus said:
1st i never said once that he should release it. what is said was he should tell us he cant release it. i don't remember anywhere in my post and any post for that matter where i said "you should release it right now even if it will get you into trouble or even if its not ready"
On a side note - i also live in orlando, fl and goto ucf do you play halo?
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No kidding - I'm planning on getting back to school this fall myself. Live right around the corner from the Uni. No Halo, since my box was red-lighting again just before my damn cat knocked a cup of water over onto the PSU for it. So i've got a little bit of work to get my box working again... oh yeah and I was banned from Live just before all that too (modded firmware), so yeah I did play halo. Meh
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also we have had 6.1 for a while. something like november i got the first athena 6.1 rom with build 19145 if im not mistaken. we have had 6.1 even before that though.
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but that is my main point for saying that you can't release it yet. you had wm6.1 since november but released a cooked wm6 rom in late november. Don't get me wrong i am grateful for everything you have done and the only point i am trying to make is that you have to wait to release. I have logical points for these thoughts. example: in "Stop the stupid ap 4.0" post 36 - you told someone you have 2 newer builds than 9.5 build 405 but you can't release it.
Look im not trying to get into a pissing match with you, and nothing productive will come out of us arguing back and forth. So if you say it's still buggy and you need more time to test than its buggy and needs more time to test. i will not say another word about it.
High Five
PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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i totally agree with you..... and also im pity of those who donated
tomary said:
i totally agree with you..... and also im pity of those who donated
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oooouch, i think that might be a little harsh. You forget they have already posted 3 roms so i think the people who have donated got their moneys worth
My first thought for the team is if you WANT to release, then there's nothing wrong with realeasing a beta--paid software makers do it all the time. Here is a beta with known bugs. Da-ta-da-tada. There's likely unknown bugs too--user beware. That's why its beta. Heck, while its not as optimal,some companies (cough, cough, microsoft,) can release betas as the real deal.
For free (please donations accepted look at the value) roms/software, the bar shouldn't be higher than that of the commercial stuff.
It's funny how this just suddenly went down hill with all the slandering etc etc... I appreciate the time EVERYONE on the AP Team took to make what was (and most of us if not ALL enjoyed it) and what is to be. I personally donated as a sign of gratitude and saying thank you, heck I would've donated if they had even asked for some sort of donation just to teach how they did it instead of releasing a new ROM. Some of you guys are just down right ungreatful and quickly forget all the hard work and time they Team puts in to stand behind their wonderful ROMS. And lets not forget the tons of apps they cook in the ROMS too. So what's the big deal if people want to donate I did it and I'll be doing it again in the near future.
If the team DOES NOT want to release. That is the team's perogative also. This seeming to hang forever on the edge of release is a little nerve wracking and is hard on the fan base,but so what? If we, the fan base, donate less--really--donations are piddly anyway. The team needs to do what they do for the fun of it and the satisfaction of it.
I think it's about time this ROM was released, bugs'n all. Just release as a Beta.
irus said:
but that is my main point for saying that you can't release it yet. you had wm6.1 since november but released a cooked wm6 rom in late november. Don't get me wrong i am grateful for everything you have done and the only point i am trying to make is that you have to wait to release. I have logical points for these thoughts. example: in "Stop the stupid ap 4.0" post 36 - you told someone you have 2 newer builds than 9.5 build 405 but you can't release it.
Look im not trying to get into a pissing match with you, and nothing productive will come out of us arguing back and forth. So if you say it's still buggy and you need more time to test than its buggy and needs more time to test. i will not say another word about it.
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thanx just dont like people saying i cant release this until the 7510 is out. i released snapvue before the shift was out and that was ok. i'll also release this new rom before the 7510 is out. i'll also be able to provide details when the 7510 is out and about what the price should be.
sergiopi said:
PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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thats why if i cant get it to my liking by friday it will be released as a beta. the 19181 build was just to unstable. it got un usable after a while. u really wanted me to release that? we tried to make it better and got it to about 80% of what it should be but then decided to go for the new 19202 because we got the ok for that. by friday there will be a rom. if all goes well before that u might have a non beta build.
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i totally agree with you..... and also im pity of those who donated
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you are really getting out of hand. u donate if u like. i provided 4 roms to everyone already. people wanted a vanilla so im making a vanilla. i guess u can't make everyone happy.
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thats why if i cant get it to my liking by friday it will be released as a beta. the 19181 build was just to unstable. it got un usable after a while. u really wanted me to release that? we tried to make it better and got it to about 80% of what it should be but then decided to go for the new 19202 because we got the ok for that. by friday there will be a rom. if all goes well before that u might have a non beta build.
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If you don't mind I don't like getting my hopes up (again). So I'll put it on my calendar for Friday. I'm not hoping for it to be released before that (or maybe I am but trying not to). Dare I say it...? You're not going to disappoint us are you?
And please note. I greatly appreciate your hard work. That’s why I donated! But checking every day to find out that it’s not released it getting a bit tedious . Considering it has been hanging close to being released for quite some time now.
Awaiting delivery
it will be 100% out on friday. whether in beta form or final form. it'll most likely be afternoon local time because thats when i'll have time to release. i would like a tuesday release though because would be very funny... dont u agree??
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it will be 100% out on friday. whether in beta form or final form. it'll most likely be afternoon local time because thats when i'll have time to release. i would like a tuesday release though because would be very funny... dont u agree??
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A few questions (if you don't mind, if you do just don't answer ):
Will the beta be usable? (maybe good to know for less experienced people);
What's your timezone?
NB: no not funny at all, as I said: I'm not getting my hopes up again.
Ok, So the HD2 has been out for some time now and there isnt a day where someone isn't begging for someones secret stash of Android to put on their phone or showing off some bogus video that their friends friends friends brother uploaded last night.
I have a two part question...
1. WHY?!? Why is it so important to have Android running on this phone.
I have played with android and to tell the truth it is no easier to navigate or use and the android market is FULL of half @ss junk usless apps that dont make the OS "to die for"
2. What? What is so bad about WinMo. Most of the issues I have had with this phone have nothing to do with WinMo and everything to do with HTC's rush to get it out to the market and failure to test and intigrate.
DON'T GET ME WRONG!
As soon as a fully functioning port comes out I am on it like a fat kid on cake but I just really want to be as excited as everyone else!
yup, i got you there, it works, it works very well, i cant think of any reason at the mo to change to android or WM7 assuming they get them working on it.
I think what it comes down to is, "its android, it must be better" the reality of course is yes its a bit different but better? i doubt it, but ill give it a shot and see what its like but more then likely after a few days trial ill be back with my sleek fast, stable WM 6.5.x
and as for WP7, well ive fiddled with the new UI and again, im not blown over, infact, the very fact it doesnt support my slightly older programs means its already in a bad place. Its a shame but i guess thats life!
..... i wonder in a couple of years if rather then folk trying to get new OS's on an old device people will be looking at getting an old OS (6.5.x) on a new device...
Hello everyone,
I haven't visited this site in a long time now, it's been since my G1 days actually.
After buying my vibrant I decided I didn't have a need to root because there wasn't anything I felt like I was missing or needed at the moment. I, like all who didn't root, was waiting for the official 2.2 ota. Now that I know it's not coming I decided to finally root. I was really surprised at how easy you guys have made it now. Kudos people... I just would like to ask for some opinions though...
I can't decide on what rom to use. I really don't have a ton of time to invest in my phone atm so I really just want the most stable thing out right now. I really do like the look and feel of Touch Wiz but I'm not married to it. Basically I really just would like to know the safest way for me to go.. something with no bugs, I don't wanna mess with overclocking, I would like to keep TW... Any help would greatly appreciated!
Thanks all!
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Hello everyone,
I haven't visited this site in a long time now, it's been since my G1 days actually.
After buying my vibrant I decided I didn't have a need to root because there wasn't anything I felt like I was missing or needed at the moment. I, like all who didn't root, was waiting for the official 2.2 ota. Now that I know it's not coming I decided to finally root. I was really surprised at how easy you guys have made it now. Kudos people... I just would like to ask for some opinions though...
I can't decide on what rom to use. I really don't have a ton of time to invest in my phone atm so I really just want the most stable thing out right now. I really do like the look and feel of Touch Wiz but I'm not married to it. Basically I really just would like to know the safest way for me to go.. something with no bugs, I don't wanna mess with overclocking, I would like to keep TW... Any help would greatly appreciated!
Thanks all!
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You ask 5 ppl might get 5 answers try here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=929329
I personally like bionix v, but it is a gingerbread feel not TW.
Thanks for the replies guys. I was pretty much expecting those answers actually =)
I was actually leaning towards Bionix v. Isn't there a touch wiz and GB version? Also, are there any bugs I should know about with it? Sounds like it is kinda solid but just wanna make sure I don't DL it and find my earphones don't work or some weird crap like that.
thanks again
I've tried every rom out, and Flagship V3 has been the most stable/fastest... for me. All of the froyo roms are stable and very nice though. Just depends on what you want.
Perhaps you can explain what you want for a better response.
ie, I would donkey-punch the TW launcher.... it's pointless to me.
Okay.. So here goes..
Elephone s8 purchased 2 months ago.. I'm with you guys when I see the frustration all you guys have with this phone..
You may have noticed this morning that Elephone has released not such an update but a patch so to say.
I Really dont want nor trust this company.. Its an unofficial update that will probably be aload of rubbish anyway.
Now I have been looking at skeletons ROM on here.. is it good? do you still use it? Is there anything new since?
Im just fed up and hoping you guys can shed some light.. Im petrified on where to start to even flash my phone as ive read up about devices being'bricked'? but willing to just to get something that is sufficient.
I merely ask as you guys are the guys to ask.. The leaders IMO in everything android.
Any information would be greatly appreciated
Eragon is already dead. Skeleton has abandoned the project so no updates has been made since his last one.
I have not tried it nor the custom rom that was released on Elephone forums.
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Okay.. So here goes..
Elephone s8 purchased 2 months ago.. I'm with you guys when I see the frustration all you guys have with this phone..
You may have noticed this morning that Elephone has released not such an update but a patch so to say.
I Really dont want nor trust this company.. Its an unofficial update that will probably be aload of rubbish anyway.
Now I have been looking at skeletons ROM on here.. is it good? do you still use it? Is there anything new since?
Im just fed up and hoping you guys can shed some light.. Im petrified on where to start to even flash my phone as ive read up about devices being'bricked'? but willing to just to get something that is sufficient.
I merely ask as you guys are the guys to ask.. The leaders IMO in everything android.
Any information would be greatly appreciated
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I suggest just using AEROM. Aerom is better than stock and Eragon. Aerom will be updated soon. And aerom fixed lot of bugs.
Erkki123 said:
I suggest just using AEROM. Aerom is better than stock and Eragon. Aerom will be updated soon. And aerom fixed lot of bugs.
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Erikki123 man I hope you're right.
how do you know about the update? can you share a link?
we're really hoping for oreo here for more than a year
You can download the new rom here but I wouldn't recommend it:
https://bbs.elephone.hk/thread-14242-1-1.html
I have tried all three roms but the stock rom worked best for me. Additionally I flashed twrp and installed supersu for root.
I don't expect any future updates for the AEROM. I think they brought this out as kind of compensation because there will be no android 8 for this device. For me it caused more problems than it solved but experiences may be different on this special phone.
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I have tried all three too, and for now I stick to Eragon anyway.
I have contacted Elephone and can confirm that S8 and P8 are officially "dead", indeed.
That's disappointing, mainly because Elephone had started a campaign a year ago (or so) and promised at least two years of support from then on.
But then I have known Elephone from their previous flagships, owning both M3 and P9000, so I'm not really surprised.
But then they did a MUCH better job at bugfixing with M3/P9000 than thay did with S8. At least P8 is running rather flawlessly.
Please also find all required files for rooting the Elephone S8 at:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/k1ldc..._root.rar/file
I hope this helps.