Supposed to have GSM+CDMA + LTE bands for the big 3 (Tmobile, Verizon, ATT : 2/4/5/12/13/17, pentaband 3G)
ATT likes to whitelist phones for LTE/HD Voice (if this phone isn't on their whitelist, you need to jump through hoops to get LTE access, and very difficult get HD Voice/VoLTE to work properly)
Sprint has some issues too(5X/6P doesn't have wifi calling on Sprint), and you kinda want 2xCA/3xCA no sprint, so pointless to talk about them
Verizon - they are required to allow band 13 devices if device passes technical certificate. (points to HTC One A9 and them cancelling Verizon VoLTE support)
T-mobile - They want devices to pass their VoLTE technical cert process. Otherwise they demand manufacturers to disable band 12 (due to concerns of no 911 if you only have band 12 LTE data, and phone doesn't drop to another carrier for 911). Similar issues with Wifi calling (Moto X Pure doesn't have wifi calling)
B&H lists phone to be release in April/May, can't find any FCC docs yet
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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1239314-REG/lg_lgrs988_ausasv_g5_h850_32gb_smartphone.html
Under Q&A, Steve (staff at B&H) says there is band 12 VoLTE support, but do you trust him?
http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-RS988-Silver-g5
LG actually has it on the website.
I still wouldn't trust B&H nor LG until someone has a RS988 model on hand to confirm it.
The "R" signifies LTE in Rural America, a joint effort between Verizon and various small CDMA operators to improve coverage. Basically, Verizon let these smaller operators set up shop on Band 13, in exchange for on-network roaming (both for Verizon customers on the LRA network, and LRA customers on Verizon's network). Some of these operators also have their own networks on other LTE bands, such as Bluegrass Cellular on Band 12 (in addition to Band 13), and some have roaming agreements with other carriers (Sprint). This is why the LRA model is chock full o' bands.
I wonder if the LRA model is bootloader unlockable like the T-Mobile model...
b&h said the phone is expected to be released by may 11th, i wander if anyone else is going to sale it?
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Some of these operators also have their own networks on other LTE bands, such as Bluegrass Cellular on Band 12 (in addition to Band 13), and some have roaming agreements with other carriers (Sprint). This is why the LRA model is chock full o' bands.
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except that this model doesn't support Sprint (missing band 26/41)... oh well
paperWastage said:
except that this model doesn't support Sprint (missing band 26/41)... oh well
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Bands 26 and 41 are only needed for tri-band LTE Plus / Spark connectivity. Band 25 (which this LRA model has) is Sprint's primary LTE band. I suspect that either one of the LRA carriers has its own Band 25 network, or has a roaming agreement with Sprint but only has roaming access to Band 25.
For Sprint customers, the bigger issue is whether Sprint will allow it on their network. I recall that when the Moto X Pure was first released, people had to request Sprint to add the device's IMEI to the approved device database in order to use it on Sprint. I suspect that reps won't as easily add another carrier's variant of the G5 to their approved database, when Sprint is selling its own model.
xtermmin said:
The "R" signifies LTE in Rural America, a joint effort between Verizon and various small CDMA operators to improve coverage. Basically, Verizon let these smaller operators set up shop on Band 13, in exchange for on-network roaming (both for Verizon customers on the LRA network, and LRA customers on Verizon's network). Some of these operators also have their own networks on other LTE bands, such as Bluegrass Cellular on Band 12 (in addition to Band 13), and some have roaming agreements with other carriers (Sprint). This is why the LRA model is chock full o' bands.
I wonder if the LRA model is bootloader unlockable like the T-Mobile model...
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Thanks a bunch for this information
I knew for a while something was off with the R and figured it signified something else since the name is so drastically different than the other phones in this lineup.
I went to see the phone in person, it's pretty nice, I like the Titan color, the gold is too light
B&H bootloader
I emailed B&H last week with questions, one concerning bootloader; It took 5 days for an answer but a tech support guy named Adam replied that it was unlocked; I emailed him back, asking if he knew the difference between unlocked sims and bootloader and he replied back and confirmed he did and bootloader was unlocked; This info is likely unreliable but the fact B&H doesn't have a vested interest in carriers and this would give them an edge on sales, we can still have hope. I won't be able to buy one until May when their stock come in though
Wow, it's going to be available on Amazon starting May 1
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DJE22C2...olid=K5RKTG1CO0AE&coliid=I1T763APP0P7E3&psc=1
Guess others will be getting it as well.
Amazon now listed for rs988 G5
thanks for info - looks like the only difference is the color, both same price, free shipping - one more reason to hope LG will allow unlocking bootloader - we will now see how serious is their claim to be "developer friendly" from what I'm hearing lately doesn't seem like US models are included for bootloader unlocking but still hoping.
B&H is silver (last 2 letters of model I'm guessing)
Amazon is titan (dark gray)
also check out the lte bands to be sure they are supported by the carrier you intend to use (mostly look good but a few specialty bands aren't there - there is another xda link to that but I can't remember the thread
The good thing about Shipped and Sold by Amazon.com these devices go on sale quick. For example, the Xperia Z5 went on sale at $599.99 and in about two weeks fell to $539.99.
$600 on Sale would be a nice sweet spot for this phone.
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thanks for info - looks like the only difference is the color, both same price, free shipping - one more reason to hope LG will allow unlocking bootloader - we will now see how serious is their claim to be "developer friendly" from what I'm hearing lately doesn't seem like US models are included for bootloader unlocking but still hoping.
B&H is silver (last 2 letters of model I'm guessing)
Amazon is titan (dark gray)
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You can buy the Titan G5 from B&H, that's what I pre-ordered and it arrived yesterday. I'm using it on AT&T and everything seems to be working fine (no HD Voice, of course, but that's expected when using an unlocked device).
excellent, thanks - so it appears you can get both silver and titan from B&H (probably from Amazon also) Did you see if bootloader was locked (I figured it would be and the salesman who twice told me it was unlocked and that he knew what the bootloader meant, was yanking my chain....
There is an option to OEM Unlock in the developers settings. How to verify bootloader is unlocked?
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sm partition disk:179,0 private worked to make the SD adoptable - migrated data, all looks fine.
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adb reboot bootloader doesn't put it into fastboot mode, adb reboot recovery gives the dead droid logo
The bootloader question would better be answered by the Guru's as it was first thought that the T-Mobile variant was unlocked but turned out not to actually be truly unlocked - I suspect it will be the same as the T-Mobile version - unlockable but not actually unlocked (If LG gives us the codes) I have sent several emails to LG concerning this and basically told them that, if they are truly "developer friendly" now is the time to prove it.... (diplomatically of course) I fear that the idea of modular phones won't take off if they keep the software locked down and don't follow through with the promises.
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You can buy the Titan G5 from B&H, that's what I pre-ordered and it arrived yesterday. I'm using it on AT&T and everything seems to be working fine (no HD Voice, of course, but that's expected when using an unlocked device).
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So did you get my issue with the phone like the reviewers point out? Also did you get headphones in the box?
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So did you get my issue with the phone like the reviewers point out? Also did you get headphones in the box?
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No headphones in the box, just the QuickCharge 3.0 charger and cable. What issue are you referring to?
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No headphones in the box, just the QuickCharge 3.0 charger and cable. What issue are you referring to?
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Awe I was expecting headphones oh well. Issues like screen warp,light bleed , and chin alignment.
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Awe I was expecting headphones oh well. Issues like screen warp,light bleed , and chin alignment.
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I bought this from B&H and I'm not sure about the light bleed (I consider it a fringe issue), but the chin alignment is pretty good and the screen warp is still an issue
Anyone have any luck with getting volte to work on tmobile i have been trying and not having any luck
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The Dev forum has a neat tutorial to unlock your phone through Htcdev.com.
Noob question: does this mean you can use an AT&T One with T-mobile and foreign carriers?
Also, the AT&T One includes all the LTE bands covered by the T-mobile One. AT&T also includes most HSPA bands covered by T-mobile One.
Does this mean AT&T One can use HSPA and LTE on T-mobile?
Source:androidcentral.com/htc-one-us-radio-frequencies
eethan said:
The Dev forum has a neat tutorial to unlock your phone through Htcdev.com.
Noob question: does this mean you can use an AT&T One with T-mobile and foreign carriers?
Also, the AT&T One includes all the LTE bands covered by the T-mobile One. AT&T also includes most HSPA bands covered by T-mobile One.
Does this mean AT&T One can use HSPA and LTE on T-mobile?
Source:androidcentral.com/htc-one-us-radio-frequencies
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The unlock on htcdev is for the bootloader, not carrier unlock. To carrier unlock an AT&T phone you would need the unlock code from AT&T which they would give if you purchased the phone at full price (not sure why somebody would that when you could order the carrier unlocked version directly from HTC which would be bloat free; the only reason to do that would be the fact that you can get AT&T HTC one much faster than carrier unlocked from HTC/Letstalk)
You are right about the AT&T one and T-mobile both capable of LTE on both carriers. But both the AT&T and carrier unlocked phone from HTC lack the 1700 AWS HSPA T-mobile band, so those will get 3G/4G/HSPA only if you live in a T-mobile 1900mhz refarmed area (and speeds on that 1900 refarmed spectrum seem to vary from person to person or place to place)
I unlocked mine from a seller on eBay, $13. I got the code in less than 1 hour.
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veliksam said:
I unlocked mine from a seller on eBay, $13. I got the code in less than 1 hour.
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PM me the URL por favor. I got a Note 2 I want done.
muqali said:
PM me the URL por favor. I got a Note 2 I want done.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/HTC-UNLOCK-CODE-ONE-ONE-X-HTC-S-HTC-X-HTC-V-AT-T-USA-UK-EU-ASIA-ETC-/171027116054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27d202b016
This is for HTC but I'm pretty sure he can do Samsung.
muqali said:
PM me the URL por favor. I got a Note 2 I want done.
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You can unlock your Note 2 without root and without paying. You'll have to downgrade to 4.1.1 regardless because T-Mobile and other carriers put a block on 4.1.2 (I know this because I just got rid of my Note 2 and had to find all this out through a lot of searching. The unlock code I ordered was correct but wouldn't work until I downgraded.)
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jonathan3579 said:
You can unlock your Note 2 without root and without paying. You'll have to downgrade to 4.1.1 regardless because T-Mobile and other carriers put a block on 4.1.2 (I know this because I just got rid of my Note 2 and had to find all this out through a lot of searching. The unlock code I ordered was correct but wouldn't work until I downgraded.)
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Thanks..will help a lot..
Foas said:
Thanks..will help a lot..
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I'll post what to do in just a few. :thumbup: This works for S3 and possibly more.
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Dial the following keys *#197328640#
Main Menu > [1] UMTS > [1] Debug Screen > [8] Phone Control > [6] Network Lock > Options [3]Perso SHA256 OFF > (after choosing this option, wait about 30 seconds, then go back one step by pressing the Menu button then select Back, now you are in [6] Network Lock then choose [4] NW Lock NV Data INITIALLIZ. Wait for a minute then reboot your phone.
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If you want to go the route of paying for a code from Samsung, then follow this link with instructions.
http://www.cellunlocker.net/blog/samsung-galaxy-note-2-unlocking-issue/
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If you paid the full price for this phone, you can just call Tmobile and they'll give you an unlock code.
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The unlock on htcdev is for the bootloader, not carrier unlock. To carrier unlock an AT&T phone you would need the unlock code from AT&T which they would give if you purchased the phone at full price (not sure why somebody would that when you could order the carrier unlocked version directly from HTC which would be bloat free; the only reason to do that would be the fact that you can get AT&T HTC one much faster than carrier unlocked from HTC/Letstalk)
You are right about the AT&T one and T-mobile both capable of LTE on both carriers. But both the AT&T and carrier unlocked phone from HTC lack the 1700 AWS HSPA T-mobile band, so those will get 3G/4G/HSPA only if you live in a T-mobile 1900mhz refarmed area (and speeds on that 1900 refarmed spectrum seem to vary from person to person or place to place)
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Don't forget that voice goes over AWS *exclusively* via UMTS/HSPA in markets that either have no 1900 licenses or very bad 1900 coverage.
It pisses me off that they are *STILL* splitting bands between carriers... It really wouldn't take that much to make a universal GSM phone... Tha being said, it *may* be possible to unlock the AWS frequency in the future - that is, if all the internals are the same between the devices. It wouldn't surprise me if it is gimped like the T-Mobile S3 got gimped in terms of LTE support.
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Don't forget that voice goes over AWS *exclusively* via UMTS/HSPA in markets that either have no 1900 licenses or very bad 1900 coverage.
It pisses me off that they are *STILL* splitting bands between carriers... It really wouldn't take that much to make a universal GSM phone... Tha being said, it *may* be possible to unlock the AWS frequency in the future - that is, if all the internals are the same between the devices. It wouldn't surprise me if it is gimped like the T-Mobile S3 got gimped in terms of LTE support.
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Of course it's not hard, especially with current gen basebands, to support a full range of UMTS frequencies. Network operators get OEMs to restrict bands to make buying their subsidized phones less desirable to other operators, i.e. it makes it harder for someone to move from AT&T to T-Mobile. This is an easy business decision for the operators and OEMs don't seem to care much, since I doubt many consumers even know that they should expect their GSM phone from AT&T to work on another GSM network. I remember some people on twitter earlier aptly likening it to DRM--its only purpose is to make their customers' lives more difficult. The fact that Google has supported pentaband UMTS on the Nexus 4/7 and Galaxy Nexus is a great reason to love them, but I digress.
As for granting UMTS over AWS to the AT&T One, it seems pretty unlikely. It's already been shown to be not as simple as a radio flash, and I haven't heard of anyone successfully adding new bands to MDM9x15 devices the way they did with earlier basebands like on US GS2 variants. It's possible that there is some obscure configuration point in our firmware somewhere that will enable such support--and I'm sure there are people out there digging--but I'm not holding my breath, personally.
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Of course it's not hard, especially with current gen basebands, to support a full range of UMTS frequencies. Network operators get OEMs to restrict bands to make buying their subsidized phones less desirable to other operators, i.e. it makes it harder for someone to move from AT&T to T-Mobile. This is an easy business decision for the operators and OEMs don't seem to care much, since I doubt many consumers even know that they should expect their GSM phone from AT&T to work on another GSM network. I remember some people on twitter earlier aptly likening it to DRM--its only purpose is to make their customers' lives more difficult. The fact that Google has supported pentaband UMTS on the Nexus 4/7 and Galaxy Nexus is a great reason to love them, but I digress.
As for granting UMTS over AWS to the AT&T One, it seems pretty unlikely. It's already been shown to be not as simple as a radio flash, and I haven't heard of anyone successfully adding new bands to MDM9x15 devices the way they did with earlier basebands like on US GS2 variants. It's possible that there is some obscure configuration point in our firmware somewhere that will enable such support--and I'm sure there are people out there digging--but I'm not holding my breath, personally.
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Oh I agree with you completely but stranger things have happened like at&t S3s having hidden AWS LTE support... all it takes to activate is a special ROM/radio/bootloader/recovery set that T-Mobile made to test their LTE network... flashes right over the I747 via Odin and unlocks AWS HSPA and LTE. And the Nexus 4 AWS LTE hack too.
Its still annoying... I think we will start to see more compatibility coming up though for roaming revenue purposes... At least between at&t and T-Mobile. I guess we will see. I am waiting to see what comes of the mysterious LG D810 that is running the Snapdragon 800 before deciding on my next device but I'm almost 100% sure I will be passing the GS4 up though.
I thought you could not factory unlocked phones in the USA that were manufactured after Jan 26. 2013 unless the carrier unlocked them? Or is this over now because I'm getting my ONE today and was curious
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jshaw06 said:
I thought you could not factory unlocked phones in the USA that were manufactured after Jan 26. 2013 unless the carrier unlocked them? Or is this over now because I'm getting my ONE today and was curious
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The OP is talking about Bootloader unlock, you're talking about network unlock. It's not illegal to get network unlock if it is through your provider, I believe the whole no unlocking thing has more to do with 3rd party unlockers.
Anyways if the government told you that it's against the law to unlock your toilet so you could take a $hit, would you listen to them or would you just unlock the door and take a $hit anyways? I'll choose the latter thank you
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Anyways if the government told you that it's against the law to unlock your toilet so you could take a $hit, would you listen to them or would you just unlock the door and take a $hit anyways? I'll choose the latter thank you
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SIM unlocking a phone is not a bodily function, so I don't think your example applies.
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SIM unlocking a phone is not a bodily function, so I don't think your example applies.
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I know the two actions are completely different. My point was that a law against unlocking your mobile device would be as stupid as not being allowed to perform a regular "bodily function". It's just a stupid law that was lobbied by the contract sucking mobile carriers. The actual phone manufacturers could care less. Another example is: if you buy a car and have it financed then being told you can't add custom wheels or exhaust system. That's a good example right?
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I know the two actions are completely different. My point was that a law against unlocking your mobile device would be as stupid as not being allowed to perform a regular "bodily function". It's just a stupid law that was lobbied by the contract sucking mobile carriers. The actual phone manufacturers could care less. Another example is: if you buy a car and have it financed then being told you can't add custom wheels or exhaust system. That's a good example right?
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Look, I don't particularly like the rule, but if I need my phone unlocked tmobile will provide a code. The carriers subsidize the phones, even tmo through their zero interest loans. So from their perspective it makes sense.
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stevedebi said:
Look, I don't particularly like the rule, but if I need my phone unlocked tmobile will provide a code. The carriers subsidize the phones, even tmo through their zero interest loans. So from their perspective it makes sense.
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T-Mobile isn't subsidizing AT ALL now, you pay full retail for any device. They should *HAVE* to provide unlock codes right off the bat.
And they do -
Devices Purchased at Full Retail Price
If you paid full retail price for an eligible device:
T-Mobile will provide the SIM unlock code as long as:
Your T-Mobile account is in good standing; and
The device has been completely paid for (you must fax the proof of purchase to T-Mobile).
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T-Mobile isn't subsidizing AT ALL now, you pay full retail for any device. They should *HAVE* to provide unlock codes right off the bat.
And they do -
Devices Purchased at Full Retail Price
If you paid full retail price for an eligible device:
T-Mobile will provide the SIM unlock code as long as:
Your T-Mobile account is in good standing; and
The device has been completely paid for (you must fax the proof of purchase to T-Mobile).
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They are subsidizing the cost of the loan. The unlock is only available if you have paid the phone off.
They are charging zero percent interest on a consumer item.
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The T-Mobile Galaxy Edge worked great with ATT LTE, does anyone know if the T-Mobile S6 Edge is there same way? Would be awesome if someone who has the phone can confirm. The specs show the bands that would work on ATT LTE. Thanks in advance.
I'm waiting for my unlock code. I'll report as soon as I get it.
verks said:
I'm waiting for my unlock code. I'll report as soon as I get it.
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Thanks. Where did you get the unlock code from?
Cellunlocker.net.
Keeping an eye on the thread. Need to unlock mine too but don't know if there are any ways to unlock it yet. How much did cell unlocker ask to unlock the tmobile s6 edge?
Yeah I stopped by that site earlier and wanted to see if a code was available but I Don't have my s6 yet so I can't provide an inei. But definitely keep us posted if the unlock works. As soon as you guys confirm I'll order mine.
Question. Can't you just call your carrier and get the unlock code? Especially if you buy the phone off contract? I know I did that with my S5.
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Question. Can't you just call your carrier and get the unlock code? Especially if you buy the phone off contract? I know I did that with my S5.
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Not when you open a new line. You must to be with TMobile for 2 months in order to get the unlock code from them.
Missing bands 29 and 30
This may not matter for some of you, and others may already know, but I think it's worth pointing out that the T-Mobile variant is missing LTE bands 29 and 30.
Band 29 represents unpaired 700Mhz spectrum (for downlink), of which AT&T has a nationwide 5Mhz license. Once deployed via CA, it will improve AT&T's low-band LTE downlink capacity by 50%.
Band 30 represents paired 2300Mhz spectrum (WCS), of which AT&T has a nationwide 10x10 license. This will likely only be deployed in urban areas, but it will roughly double AT&T's current LTE capacity.
Both of these bands are being deployed this year.
brianbrain said:
This may not matter for some of you, and others may already know, but I think it's worth pointing out that the T-Mobile variant is missing LTE bands 29 and 30.
Band 29 represents unpaired 700Mhz spectrum (for downlink), of which AT&T has a nationwide 5Mhz license. Once deployed via CA, it will improve AT&T's low-band LTE downlink capacity by 50%.
Band 30 represents paired 2300Mhz spectrum (WCS), of which AT&T has a nationwide 10x10 license. This will likely only be deployed in urban areas, but it will roughly double AT&T's current LTE capacity.
Both of these bands are being deployed this year.
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Good to know actually. Do you know if ATT version has these bands? Thanks
Yes att's variant does have band 29 and 30
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Good to know actually. Do you know if ATT version has these bands? Thanks
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tigercranestyle said:
was definitely aware. essentially we would be getting the same lte coverage of an at&t galaxy s5. which is the coverage of... i dunno... 98 percent of at&t's lte phones. nevertheless, will report back when code is sent and service switched.
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Certainly a valid angle to look at things with - it's not like you're going to lose out on LTE coverage with these new bands. What you will be missing out on is LTE capacity/speed. Some areas have less of an issue than others, but where I work, my LTE speeds are terribly slow (lucky to get 1Mbps down - due to congestion, not signal strength), so I am very interested in making sure I have access to their capacity upgrades rolling out this year.
If you live and work in an area where LTE capacity/speed is not an issue, then I am jealous and also wish you the best with your T-Mobile model
For me the history of att locking down their samsung phones was the reason I decided to grab a T-Mobile edge. Part of the things I enjoy about owning android devices is the ability to tear it down and rebuild the os as I see fitting (aosp, cm, etc) losing out on a couple lte bands is totally worth it for the freedom.
I've just posted this in another thread, but think its relevant here too:
From the T-mobile website for the Galaxy S6 Edge:
Quad Band GSM;
LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 17;
UMTS: Band I (2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100), Band V (850), Band VIII (900)
From the AT&T site for the Galaxy S6 Edge:
4G-LTE Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 20, 29 and 30
3G - UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900MHz
So the AT&T version seems to cover more bases in terms of LTE coverage e.g. for those wanting LTE coverage in the UK too, the T-mobile version will work on 3 (3) and EE (3 and 7), whereas the AT&T version will work on 3 (3), EE (3 and 7), O2 (20) and Vodafone (20) [LTE bands shown in brackets]
Is T-Mobile allowing people to buy off contract?
Alaris said:
Is T-Mobile allowing people to buy off contract?
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You would have to buy it out right and pick the $50 plan. Then cancel once you get the phone.
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You would have to buy it out right and pick the $50 plan. Then cancel once you get the phone.
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They won't let you simply buy the phone for full retail price without an account, even AT&T will let you do that? That may be the dumbest thing I've heard in a very long while. What possible reason could they have for doing that? Seems like a good way to get far fewer sales.
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They won't let you simply buy the phone for full retail price without an account, even AT&T will let you do that? That may be the dumbest thing I've heard in a very long while. What possible reason could they have for doing that? Seems like a good way to get far fewer sales.
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They will not, unfortunately, at least not with preorders.
For those of you who are thinking of preordering the GS6 through T-Mobile and then immediately moving it over to AT&T, you may want to make sure you read the unlocking policy. The one item that is kind of a "gotchya" here is that you'll need to have the device activated with T-Mobile for 40 days before they will unlock it. If 40 days on T-Mobile is something you can tolerate, then have at it
T-Mobile's Device unlocking policy:
Device eligibility is determined as follows:
The device must be a T-Mobile device.
The device must not be reported as lost, stolen or blocked to T-Mobile.
The account associated with the device must be in good standing.
You have requested no more than 2 mobile device unlock codes per line of service in the last 12 months.
The device must satisfy all the Postpaid or Prepaid Unlocking terms outlined below.
Unlock Eligibility for Monthly Phones and tablets
The device must have been active on the T-Mobile network for at least 40 days on the requesting line.
If the device was financed using T-Mobile’s Equipment Installment Plan (EIP), then all payments must be satisfied and the device must be paid in full.
If the device is on an account that has are under a service contract term, then at least 18 consecutive monthly payments must have been made or the account was migrated to Simple Choice no contract rate plan.
If the device is associated with a canceled account, then the account balance must be zero.
T-Mobile may request proof of purchase or additional information in its discretion and certain other exceptions may apply.
Unlock Eligibility for Prepaid Phones and Tablets
The device has been active on the T-Mobile network for more than 1 year.
If the device has been active for less than 1 year, then the Prepaid account associated with the device must have had more than $25 in refills for basic phones or $100 in refills for smartphones or tablet since device first use date.
T-Mobile may request proof of purchase or additional information in its discretion and certain other exceptions may apply.
brianbrain said:
They will not, unfortunately, at least not with preorders.
For those of you who are thinking of preordering the GS6 through T-Mobile and then immediately moving it over to AT&T, you may want to make sure you read the unlocking policy. The one item that is kind of a "gotchya" here is that you'll need to have the device activated with T-Mobile for 40 days before they will unlock it. If 40 days on T-Mobile is something you can tolerate, then have at it
T-Mobile's Device unlocking policy:
Device eligibility is determined as follows:
The device must be a T-Mobile device.
The device must not be reported as lost, stolen or blocked to T-Mobile.
The account associated with the device must be in good standing.
You have requested no more than 2 mobile device unlock codes per line of service in the last 12 months.
The device must satisfy all the Postpaid or Prepaid Unlocking terms outlined below.
Unlock Eligibility for Monthly Phones and tablets
The device must have been active on the T-Mobile network for at least 40 days on the requesting line.
If the device was financed using T-Mobile’s Equipment Installment Plan (EIP), then all payments must be satisfied and the device must be paid in full.
If the device is on an account that has are under a service contract term, then at least 18 consecutive monthly payments must have been made or the account was migrated to Simple Choice no contract rate plan.
If the device is associated with a canceled account, then the account balance must be zero.
T-Mobile may request proof of purchase or additional information in its discretion and certain other exceptions may apply.
Unlock Eligibility for Prepaid Phones and Tablets
The device has been active on the T-Mobile network for more than 1 year.
If the device has been active for less than 1 year, then the Prepaid account associated with the device must have had more than $25 in refills for basic phones or $100 in refills for smartphones or tablet since device first use date.
T-Mobile may request proof of purchase or additional information in its discretion and certain other exceptions may apply.
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This is why AT&T and Verizon will likely always make more money. They understand that there is a lot of money in the pockets of people who don't hold accounts with them. Thats just smarter business. No such thing as a bad dollar. T-mobile needs to learn.
tigercranestyle said:
geez. within the first several posts of this thread someone already mentioned the workaround to t-mobile's 40 day unlocking policy.
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Just because someone mentioned a workaround that doesn't change how utterly ridiculous, actually stupid, T-Mobile's policy is. And that work around while decent would be far better if you didn't have to sign up for any sort of T-Mobile service to still be able to purchase the phone. The problem is not the unlocking. That, until disproven, has been solved. The problem is all of the unnecessary BS you have to deal with in order to even buy the damn phone in the first place. Because of it I'll likely just get an AT&T one root be damned.
So I just read and saw on line that the US Cellular version of the LG G6 is on $550 buy it out right. Would this version work with Verizon Wireless. It looks to have the same LTE bands. What would be the chance of buying and putting a Verizon sim in it and it works out the gate. Anyone have any ideas?
https://www.uscellular.com/devices/phones/lg-g6-platinum.html?productId=prod9410143
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GSMarena doesn't currently list 3G bands for the US Cellular G6 (US997). However, I've seen the Verizon and US Cellular versions of phones differ on 3G bands before (see the Galaxy S7 USA, for example), so 3G might have problems if you just popped a Verizon SIM card into a US Cellular G6.
I'm wondering if there could be a similar method to the one that was discovered for the HTC 10 where you flash radio images from the Verizon variant onto another phone:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-htc-10/how-to/vzw-how-to-unlocked-model-vzw-t3376743
Is the us cellular version factory unlocked? It is the same model number as the unlocked version, us997. I'm looking to use on AT&T.
It looks like you have to pick up some kind of plan from them to get the $550 price. It's probably better to go the b&h route (or hope vzw does a mother's day week sale).
Update: Ended up buying a new us cellular us997 for cheap. Popped my straight talk/at&t sim in and it works flawlessly. I always use this site to check bands
https://www.frequencycheck.com/compatibility/0Dlph6Y/lg-us997-g6-lte-a/united-states
I have used that site several times and its always been accurate. From what im seeing, the us cellular model supports all of the bands needed for verizon. It doesnt support CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rel. 0 but does support CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rev A. So if 3G is a major concern, I'd check and see which one is used in your area. I personally wouldn't care about the 3G considering the price difference of the USC model and the fact that all LTE and voice bands are supported. Hope this helps
puff601 said:
Is the us cellular version factory unlocked? It is the same model number as the unlocked version, us997. I'm looking to use on AT&T.
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I have a free government phone that uses a Sprint SIM, I almost always have LTE coverage with it, I recently purchased the V30 and it should be here soon. The seller described it as GSM unlocked and I'm aware Sprint isn't GSM, but unfortunately forgot about these things until after I purchased.
Is there any way I'll be able to use the SIM in the V30?
And if it requires any changes, if I need to return the V30 will those changes be noticeable or reversible if so?
Any help is extremely appreciated, thanks!
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I have a free government phone that uses a Sprint SIM, I almost always have LTE coverage with it, I recently purchased the V30 and it should be here soon. The seller described it as GSM unlocked and I'm aware Sprint isn't GSM, but unfortunately forgot about these things until after I purchased.
Is there any way I'll be able to use the SIM in the V30?
And if it requires any changes, if I need to return the V30 will those changes be noticeable or reversible if so?
Any help is extremely appreciated, thanks!
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No, you cannot use T-mobile H932 with Sprint SIM card. Sprint still uses CDMA bands and has some extra LTE bands not on the H932. You cannot convert the T-mobile H932 to any other variant.
You need to return it and get Sprint LS998 instead. Cool thing about that is all LS998 are actually V30+ (128GB internal memory), while most T-mobile H932 are only V30 (64GB) -- although there are some T-mobile H932 V30+ in existence, which was sold for limited time by T-Mobile.
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No, you cannot use T-mobile H932 with Sprint SIM card. Sprint still uses CDMA bands and has some extra LTE bands not on the H932. You cannot convert the T-mobile H932 to any other variant.
You need to return it and get Sprint LS998 instead. Cool thing about that is most (if not all) LS998 are actually V30+ (128GB internal memory), while most T-mobile H932 are only V30 (64GB) -- although there are some T-mobile H932 V30+ in existence, which was sold for limited time.
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Thanks for the reply. The website "WillMyPhoneWork?" (can't post link) says the H932 has one of the bands Sprint uses for their 4G LTE network (Band41-2500MHz), and because of that, it "may" work, what's your input on that?
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Thanks for the reply. The website "WillMyPhoneWork?" (can't post link) says the H932 has one of the bands Sprint uses for their 4G LTE network (Band41-2500MHz), and because of that, it "may" work, what's your input on that?
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My answer stands.
You may not have that one LTE band in your area or elsewhere, you will need CDMA for some stuff, and Sprint won't accept a T-Mobile H932 on their Network.
You're trying to make this difficult, when I already answered your question.
For other reasons I don't want to go into here, the only people who should get the T-Mobile H932 are actual T-Mobile customers. No matter how much allegedly "SIM card unlocked". One reason being that when updating to new OS firmware, that carrier unlocking is sometimes canceled, and then you have totally useless phone (if you are not a T-Mobile customer).
There's other reasons too.
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My answer stands.
You may not have that LTE band in your area, you will need CDMA for some stuff, and Sprint won't accept a T-Mobile h932 on their Network.
You're trying to make this difficult, when I already answered your question.
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It's not that I want to make things difficult, I don't want that at all really, it's that I was clinging on to any last piece of hope since I'm in a very time and money sensitive situation currently where I need a better phone to relieve significant issues I have using my current (really bad) I use phone for work, it's holding me back big time. If there truly is nothing I can do I'll have to not only wait for the phone to come, but also need to do what's required to ship the phone back to the ebay seller and wait for my refund, all things I was really trying to avoid.
Hopefully that's more understandable why I replied the way I did, the last thing I wanted to do was burden you as I really do appreciate your advice. I have a couple more questions but it's understandable if you prefer not to assist anymore in this thread Chazz.
I wanted to know what was meant by "You'll need CDMA for some stuff", and about Sprint not accepting the phone. I already have active Sprint service with the SIM I currently use, was hoping to only need to take the SIM out of my current phone, and put it into the H932.
ResidentKaga said:
Thanks for the reply. The website "WillMyPhoneWork?" (can't post link) says the H932 has one of the bands Sprint uses for their 4G LTE network (Band41-2500MHz), and because of that, it "may" work, what's your input on that?
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The site is absolutely correct. It may work....in a very limited fashion.
Carriers don't deploy every frequency at every tower, partly for practicality reasons (e.g. out in the middle of nowhere it makes most sense to use CDMA+band 26 to eke the most range possible out of the tower and adding more radios to the tower is a waste of money) and partly licensing (they may own band 25 in one area but not another).
You might very well have a band 41 tower near your house, and it would appear to work properly (maybe even with VoLTE, if Sprint has that and the T-Mobile ROM will connect it). But if you head to work, and the tower nearest there only has band 25, then you're SOL; technically there's "Sprint" coverage, just not what your extremely limited cross-compatibility needs.
When @ChazzMatt was saying that you'll need CDMA for some stuff, it's because carrier models tend to only support their own VoLTE implementation out of the box, and need some work to get it working otherwise. It may not work at all without running the Sprint ROM; same with wifi calling if Sprint supports that.
Without those two, you'll have no voice and texting services, because those are what the CDMA connection is for. Without VoLTE, your LTE band is strictly data-only (though you COULD use IM and voice apps like Google Voice, since those use a data connection).
I think CDMA carriers are still running whitelists anyway, regardless of what the phone supports --- and Sprint is probably taking it a step further by only allowing Sprint and (possibly) Unlocked phones.
Because of the whitelist BS, you ideally need a Sprint model (as the whitelist goes by IMEI, not what software is flashed, although non-Sprint software may have issues with the initial activation so do that before flashing anything). If you're on Sprint itself rather than an MVNO, you might be able to get away with just swapping the SIM into a CDMA-capable phone, but it really depends on how the network is set up.
To summarize:
Because it only supports one band (a data-only band, even), your coverage will be extremely limited
In the same vein as above, unless you can get either VoLTE working over that single band, or wifi calling to connect, you'll have no native voice/text services due to lack of CDMA
Sprint will absolutely not freshly activate a non-Sprint (as indicated by IMEI) phone on their network, maybe not the unlocked US998 model either (however this probably won't stop you from swapping your SIM in)
Ideal course of action is to return your H932 (and eat any return cost, unfortunately...), obtain an LS998, get it activated, then flash whatever ROM you like (if desired)
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If you're curious as to why anyone would want an H932, given it being harder to unlock and root and being limited strictly to T-Mobile bands: it's the only model that supports band 71, TMO's new-in-2017 long-range band --- the US998 both lacks the band out of the box and is unable to activate it in software for whatever reason.
At a guess, this was due to an exclusivity agreement between LG and TMO in order to sell more carrier models...which is utterly moronic because b71 support was nearly useless in Q4 2017 (barely any sites deployed). But hey, what do I know, I'm just a random consumer and certainly don't know better than LG's fantastic marketing department.
(that last bit was sarcasm, if it wasn't obvious, LG's marketing is a joke/worst-in-industry)
@Septfox Thank you for the thorough and very helpful answer!
Hi,
has anyone experience with this Phone in the US ?
I having a -Mobile (USA) card in it and have mostly no Cell service, and if a Cell service than only 2 G
Thanks for your feedback
looking at
Sony Xperia 1 IV - Full phone specifications
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T-Mobile network
Learn about coverage and technologies of the T-Mobile network, including a 5G and 4G LTE Coverage map, device compatibility, and more.
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Cheat sheet: which 4G LTE bands do AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint use in the USA?
What are the 4G LTE bands supported by AT&T in 2019? Do they differ from the 4G LTE bands that T-Mobile uses? And what about Verizon Wireless massive 4G LTE network and its supported frequency bands? And where is Sprint left in the 4G LTE picture? What Verizon bands are currently in use? What...
www.phonearena.com
most of the things should work
I did look on this specs first, after I got it seems like there is something additional. There is one spot I get a super connection but 90% of the time weak or no Service at all. I have tried many phones before but none of them even had such bad reception. And there supposed to be even the Tmobile 5G 71 Band. It looks to me someone sold a restricted fu.... Asia version without mentioning it
go to settings and all the way down you should see your model number. Considering that USA specific is not out yet you most likely have asian one which is XQ-CT72. EU one is CT54.
But those should work on t-mobile network, most of the bands are there. And those are low bands, so longer range.
It runs at limited feature support. Sony disables VoWIfi for US models and many other features including Bluetooth features such as Bluetooth meta data.
Sony blames T-Mobile for limited feature set. you will need to root your phone to hack up the build to enable VoWifi and other features.
This feud between Sony and T-Mobile has been going on for the past 10 years and Sony still playing ignorant to US market.
if you don't care about such limited feature set, Xperia 1 IV should still work on TMO
I just got my phone yesterday and realized the same thing happened to me, I didn't have service where I used to but I managed to get it working by: going to settings, then network and internet, then Sims, scroll down to access point names. And two options should pop up, I changed mine to T-mobile US LTE.. And restart, which worked for me.
hnt20 said:
It runs at limited feature support. Sony disables VoWIfi for US models and many other features including Bluetooth features such as Bluetooth meta data.
Sony blames T-Mobile for limited feature set. you will need to root your phone to hack up the build to enable VoWifi and other features.
This feud between Sony and T-Mobile has been going on for the past 10 years and Sony still playing ignorant to US market.
if you don't care about such limited feature set, Xperia 1 IV should still work on TMO
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Are you saying the the imported version of the Xperia 1 iv does support VoWifi or neither one will on any USA carrier
kuau said:
Are you saying the the imported version of the Xperia 1 iv does support VoWifi or neither one will on any USA carrier
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that is correct, the issue is more related to Sony software rather than just the region. the only way to get VoWifi is to root your phone and disable sony software limitations
hnt20 said:
that is correct, the issue is more related to Sony software rather than just the region. the only way to get VoWifi is to root your phone and disable sony software limitations
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Is there a guide for this? Not having wifi calling is the main thing holding me back from pre-ordering
Kylewolf said:
Is there a guide for this? Not having wifi calling is the main thing holding me back from pre-ordering
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yeah this guide should work, its for the Xperia 1 III, I would think it would work for the IV, I just switched to goggleFI to get Wifi calling with out having to do anything.
Getting VoLTE and VoWiFi on unlisted carriers by flashing mbn file
I live in Canada and I have a BC72 (Asian version). I am struggling to get VoLTE and VoWiFi working. I know that mbn file is the key to getting IMS support and sony seems to block some carrier mbn files (only mbn in sales areas are available). So...
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I have been using the XQ-CT72 here in michigan on GoogleFi, which is basically t-mobile, in my town where I live, I get 5G without doing anything to the phone, but with that said, I work 20 miles out in rural area and apparently from my research tmobile use band 71 for 5G in rural areas, I can get LTE+ but no 5g at work, my Pixel 6 pro can get 5g but its like 1 to 2 bars that`s it, but with my sony I get full bars of better signal on LTE+ with my Sony, since the Sony is missing the n71 band for 5G, but I`m fine with what I get, since at work I` m on wifi anyways, I`m happy with my purchase, I originally had the US model on pre-order and the release date was pushed back to Sept. 22-23, so I cancelled my pre-order and bought a new one on ebay for 1069.00 compared to sony wanted 1599.00 for US mode
EDIT: I ended up send it back to seller, the 5g icon was not really 5g, if you're in the USA I would wait and buy the USA version, which I pre-ordered from Sony website, expected ship date is 22-23
moving to GoogleFI is the best option to use this phone in the USA. it will utilize Tmobile USA and have all feature enables.
Can anyone comment on Verizon compatibility with this device?
If really like to save some money and not buy the bootloader locked na version (if locked is still a thing)
Thanks
svntsvn said:
Can anyone comment on Verizon compatibility with this device?
If really like to save some money and not buy the bootloader locked na version (if locked is still a thing)
Thanks
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Only way to know for sure it to just buy it and try it for your usecases. Just buy it somewhere with a good return policy. I bought mine on Ebay with a 30-day return policy and so far it works fine on AT&T. Just make sure you do the trick where you disable dual-sim. (Google the details, it's somewhere here on XDA or on Reddit).
I bought my USA variant phone a week ago, and everything on T-Mobile works with the exception of Wi-Fi calling. The only alternative we have is to stop using T-Mobile and switch over to Google fi which does support Wi-Fi calling. Other than that my phone is flying super smooth and with fast performance like I've never believed compared to my old LG v30 Plus. I'm definitely impressed with this phone.
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Can anyone comment on Verizon compatibility with this device?
If really like to save some money and not buy the bootloader locked na version (if locked is still a thing)
Thanks
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I'm using mine (XQ-CT62) in the Verizon network. Reception is not the best in the area where I'm but it works with no problem
Is that a coverage thing most likely, or the device itself? Rural area?
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Is that a coverage thing most likely, or the device itself? Rural area?
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From a technical point of view, the phone should work on all carriers in the USA without issues, (with the exception of the Sony/T-Mobile Wi-Fi Calling issue that forces those who want Wi-Fi calling to switch to Google Fi, Mint Mobile, and other MVNOs).
Whatever service is in the area should work. Verizon will provision your phone to work with it's network. CDMA based carriers are supported per Sony's phone settings, so I would just go for it.