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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tushar.cmspen2
This is an application which allows detection of the S Pen detachment even on AOSP/AOKP/CM based ROMs.
It has only been tested on the Note 2 by me. If it works on your note device please let me know so that I can add it to the list of compatible note devices.
Explanation of how it works:
The android system automatically adds event files for each input device it detects when being installed. These event files are located in /dev/input/eventX where X denotes a particular device. These event files can be read using native C code for which I use an API provided by Radu Motisan which can be found here and also a bit more information about the event files can be found there. So now using this interface I find the event file for the S Pen and then continously read it to see if the value of the S Pen sensor has been changed. Whenever it changes I broadcast the corresponding Intent which was broadcasted by Samsung so that any applications which work based on that Intent can work even on these ROMs without having to change any of their code.
An interesting thing is that this feature is already present in CyanogenMod i.e S-Pen Power saving mode which disables the s pen touch decoder when the s pen is inserted. I fail to understand why they are not doing the same thing that I am doing through my application and save all of us the trouble.
Phone vibrates when i inserted/detached s-pen, so it works? I have note2 lte (n7105) with latest rootbox nightly.
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/eebkzugsm7ek12s/CM S-Pen Addon.apk
Guys this is the beta version of my application which can detect S Pen detection even on CyanogenMod(works for me on JellyBeer Rom).
Please test it out and tell me if it works on your ROM, it mimics the Intent which is broadcast-ed by Samsung when the S Pen is inserted/detached so any applications which use that intent should work fine.
You can use it in conjunction with my application S Pen Helper to mimic page-buddy on CM 10. Here is the playstore link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tushar.spen_helper
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It works well, also Using jellybeer rom. Very good, one thing, how to auto launch a note app? There is the option to launch something, but can't choose what to launch, unless I'm blind.(which could easily be the case)
jnr21 said:
Phone vibrates when i inserted/detached s-pen, so it works? I have note2 lte (n7105) with latest rootbox nightly.
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If it's vibrating means it's working
bungknees said:
It works well, also Using jellybeer rom. Very good, one thing, how to auto launch a note app? There is the option to launch something, but can't choose what to launch, unless I'm blind.(which could easily be the case)
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I had made spen-helper keeping Samsung based ROMs in mind so it selects s note by default but since it's not there on cm10 so it's blank just click below the enable launch toggle will pop up a dialog to change it. I'll fix it in the next version. Also I suggest not to keep the event monitor running in the background as it drains the battery a lot. I'm looking for a method to fix the battery drain currently.
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If it's vibrating means it's working
I had made spen-helper keeping Samsung based ROMs in mind so it selects s note by default but since it's not there on cm10 so it's blank just click below the enable launch toggle will pop up a dialog to change it. I'll fix it in the next version. Also I suggest not to keep the event monitor running in the background as it drains the battery a lot. I'm looking for a method to fix the battery drain currently.
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Ok, thanks for the tip. Great work
Edit: just looked at battery now, and holy crap, yes it does drain it. But good start.
Uploaded to play store and source code to GitHub and also a brief explanation on how it works
v0.2.1 out
-Bug fixes and optimizations
-Changed app version to reflect beta status
app lauch settings
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v0.2.1 out
-Bug fixes and optimizations
-Changed app version to reflect beta status
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Can't see the "app launch settings" you've mentioned. Did you remove it? The batery drain is visible but i think it's not catastrophic. I wonder why the CM team never got around implementing this because they already have the building blocks...
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Can't see the "app launch settings" you've mentioned. Did you remove it? The batery drain is visible but i think it's not catastrophic. I wonder why the CM team never got around implementing this because they already have the building blocks...
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The app launch settings are not there in this application. If you want those features you will have to use this application in conjunction with this.
Regarding the battery drain I fixed it in the last version if you are still having battery drain I would suggest increasing the polling value to 1000 which is responsive enough and not at all taxing on the battery
tushar9989 said:
The app launch settings are not there in this application. If you want those features you will have to use this application in conjunction with this.
Regarding the battery drain I fixed it in the last version if you are still having battery drain I would suggest increasing the polling value to 1000 which is responsive enough and not at all taxing on the battery
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Thanks for the update. I already use the app you've pointed at - just thought your app could do the same (my bad...). On the battery side i disabled you app and the s pen helper leaving me with "stock" CM10.1 + a bunch of play store downloaded apps. The battery drain is still there so the good news is that your app works as expected - that is not causing any dramatic power consumption. The the bad side... the battery drain is caused by something else. I've installed wakelock doctor and am waiting to see which is the app causing the mentioned battery drain (~4%/hour - roughly 4 times more than usual).
Thanks for your quick support!
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Thanks for the update. I already use the app you've pointed at - just thought your app could do the same (my bad...). On the battery side i disabled you app and the s pen helper leaving me with "stock" CM10.1 + a bunch of play store downloaded apps. The battery drain is still there so the good news is that your app works as expected - that is not causing any dramatic power consumption. The the bad side... the battery drain is caused by something else. I've installed wakelock doctor and am waiting to see which is the app causing the mentioned battery drain (~4%/hour - roughly 4 times more than usual).
Thanks for your quick support!
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The battery drain is a problem in most of the CM based ROMs. I use Sentinel ROM which gives much better battery life than any of the other ROMs I tried. Link is in my signature in case you want to try it out.
tushar9989 said:
The battery drain is a problem in most of the CM based ROMs. I use Sentinel ROM which gives much better battery life than any of the other ROMs I tried. Link is in my signature in case you want to try it out.
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Thanks for pointing out that CM causes battery drain. I've previousely used CM on all my devices (HTC Desire, Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Note I & II and Nexus 7) and it turned out to being great. I'll test a bit more and then jump over to Sentinel ROM.
This is a great application...
Many thanks for this huge step forward !!
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The battery drain is a problem in most of the CM based ROMs. I use Sentinel ROM which gives much better battery life than any of the other ROMs I tried. Link is in my signature in case you want to try it out.
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I'm using Notes 1, Google Play will not let me download it.
Could you remove the Google Play restrictions?
or maybe just attach the .APK file here in XDA?
Thanks
AllGamer said:
I'm using Notes 1, Google Play will not let me download it.
Could you remove the Google Play restrictions?
or maybe just attach the .APK file here in XDA?
Thanks
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Sorry the Note 1 does not have the sensor for detecting the s pen
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Sorry the Note 1 does not have the sensor for detecting the s pen
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Thanks for the heads up
Issue with the app working reliably on an ASOP ROM
tushar9989 said:
This is an application which allows detection of the S Pen detachment even on AOSP/AOKP/CM based ROMs.
It has only been tested on the Note 2 by me. If it works on your note device please let me know so that I can add it to the list of compatible note devices.
The source code can be found here
The android system automatically adds event files for each input device it detects when being installed. These event files are located in /dev/input/eventX where X denotes a particular device. These event files can be read using native C code for which I use an API provided by Radu Motisan which can be found and also a bit more information about the event files can be found there. So now using this interface I find the event file for the S Pen and then continously read it to see if the value of the S Pen sensor has been changed. Whenever it changes I broadcast the corresponding Intent which was broadcasted by Samsung so that any applications which work based on that Intent can work even on these ROMs without having to change any of their code.
An interesting thing is that this feature is already present in CyanogenMod i.e S-Pen Power saving mode which disables the s pen touch decoder when the s pen is inserted. I fail to understand why they are not doing the same thing that I am doing through my application and save all of us the trouble.
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I want to thank you for your hard work on this application, and the level to which you've gone to enable s-pen support in non-touchwiz ROMs. I just made the jump to Carbon ROM (4.3) this weekend after using my Sprint Note 2 (SPH-L900) with rooted, stock 4.1 since I got it at launch last year. I am totally fed-up with touch-wiz and I am really amazed at the difference the ASOP ROM is making for me.
I installed your app and it seemed to work perfectly for about 20 mins or so, then the next time I pulled out my s-pen it didn't recognize the event. Rebooting didn't make a difference, the only thing that made it work again was uninstalling, and then reinstalling the app. I am really confused as to why it stops working. I've checked, and both background services are still active, not cached, and the main program shows as running in my application manager. Do you have any thoughts or suggestions?
I can't paste links into XDA as I don't contribute all that often, but if you want to check out more on Carbon ROM I read about it on galaxynote2root, listed under the recent posts. The ROM is extremely stable and I'm very baffled as to why it isn't cooperating with your app! Thanks!
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I want to thank you for your hard work on this application, and the level to which you've gone to enable s-pen support in non-touchwiz ROMs. I just made the jump to Carbon ROM (4.3) this weekend after using my Sprint Note 2 (SPH-L900) with rooted, stock 4.1 since I got it at launch last year. I am totally fed-up with touch-wiz and I am really amazed at the difference the ASOP ROM is making for me.
I installed your app and it seemed to work perfectly for about 20 mins or so, then the next time I pulled out my s-pen it didn't recognize the event. Rebooting didn't make a difference, the only thing that made it work again was uninstalling, and then reinstalling the app. I am really confused as to why it stops working. I've checked, and both background services are still active, not cached, and the main program shows as running in my application manager. Do you have any thoughts or suggestions?
I can't paste links into XDA as I don't contribute all that often, but if you want to check out more on Carbon ROM I read about it on galaxynote2root, listed under the recent posts. The ROM is extremely stable and I'm very baffled as to why it isn't cooperating with your app! Thanks!
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I think that is happening because you have screen off detection disabled and you are locking the phone before re inserting the s pen. If that happens again you can try inserting the pen then enabling and disabling the detection from the application's settings.
Running unofficial cm11 4.4 Kit Kat and on ART. Any chance of support in the future?
Dwnhiller said:
Running unofficial cm11 4.4 Kit Kat and on ART. Any chance of support in the future?
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Have you tried using it? Because some users said it works on CM 11.
Hi there good people of XDA.
Im on EMUI 3.1 B180 with TSF Launcher as home screen.
Is there a way to change look of Recent Apps tab on this configuration ?
No apps like sidebars with recent apps function shows recent apps. All of them states that there is no recent app. In my opinion somehow they can't get access to read them. Same for other apps claiming they change look of this RA tab.
Why i want to do this:
- I have changed DPI and Recent Apps tab got moved to left which looking bad and it's impractical
- It only show 4 last apps on one screen - (impractical again)
Question 2:
Any way possible to edit some files to achive more recent apps on one screen or change look of RA tab?
If there is no one who knows 100% solution then let's start discussion thread with ideas.
Thanks guys
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Hi there good people of XDA.
Im on EMUI 3.1 B180 with TSF Launcher as home screen.
Is there a way to change look of Recent Apps tab on this configuration ?
No apps like sidebars with recent apps function shows recent apps. All of them states that there is no recent app. In my opinion somehow they can't get access to read them. Same for other apps claiming they change look of this RA tab.
Why i want to do this:
- I have changed DPI and Recent Apps tab got moved to left which looking bad and it's impractical
- It only show 4 last apps on one screen - (impractical again)
Question 2:
Any way possible to edit some files to achive more recent apps on one screen or change look of RA tab?
If there is no one who knows 100% solution then let's start discussion thread with ideas.
Thanks guys
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I actually came here to find the answer to something similar. I think my issues and yours are related.
I also have the b180 firmware and have noticed that apps do not seem to be receiving app usage data despite me having given them access in "settings>security>apps with usage access".
I'm not sure if this issue is related specifically to the b180 firmware as I have only had the honor 7 (PLK-L01) for about 2 weeks and I updated it to b180 the day I got it.
The reasons why I am getting the impression that apps are not receiving app usage data are as follows:
1. I use an app called omni swipe. It has 3 tabs. One called toolbox which has access to various phone settings such as enabling/disabling wifi, one called favourites where I can pin my favourite apps for quick access and one called recent which is supposed to show my most recently used apps. The recent tab is always blank. I have confirmed that the issue is not with the app itself as the same version of the app doesn't have these issues on my old phone (samsung galaxy a3).
2. Again Omni Swipe also has a feature whereby when notifications are received it displays a little red bubble in the corner of the screen. In omni swipe's settings you can specify what apps you want the bubble to be able to appear over and which you don't. An example would be that I have specified that I don't want the bubble to appear while I am using the YouTube app. However the bubble still appears over YouTube. I believe this is because Omni Swipe is unable to determine when I am using the YouTube app due to not receiving app usage data from the phone
3. Opera Max recently received a feature whereby it can track background data usage on an app by app basis. This works fine on my old phone but on the honor 7, Opera Max is unable to distinguish whether the data is being used in the background or whether it's being used while I am using the app actively. Weirdly it does seem to be able to work out what apps I have been using at least although other apps don't.
4. CCleaner is able to determine what processes are currently running so that you can manually kill them with its task manager feature (I am aware that killing processes on Android is pointless, so I don't actually ever use this feature), however whenever I run an analysis it does not detect any running processes whatsoever.
5. Ultimate rotation control allows me to force screen rotation in any app regardless of whether the app natively supports a particular orientation. It has a per app settings section that allows me to specify the particular orientation for any app on an app by app basis. However the per app settings seem to be ignored. Again I believe that this is because Ultimate Rotation Control is unable to determine when specific apps are running due to not receiving app usage data from the phone.
These are all the specific issues I have noticed so far. All seem to be related to me. I have tested that all these issues are not present in the same versions running on my Samsung Galaxy A3.
The issues I have encountered along with the issues you have already described all seem to have the app usage data problem on common.
Does anyone know of any workarounds?
Squall88uk said:
I actually came here to find the answer to something similar. I think my issues and yours are related.
I also have the b180 firmware and have noticed that apps do not seem to be receiving app usage data despite me having given them access in "settings>security>apps with usage access"......
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Thank You for your answer. That's exactly my thoughts.
I'm still in process of finding a backgate for this problem.
No success yet ;/
Raven78uk said:
Thank You for your answer. That's exactly my thoughts.
I'm still in process of finding a backgate for this problem.
No success yet ;/
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Do you know if the issue was there in the previous version of the firmware to b180? Just wondering if it's just a bug in b180 or in Huawei's implementation of lollipop in general.
I hear that Marshmallow (stable) is being released soon in the UK. Maybe the problem will be fixed in that update anyway. We can only hope.
Let me know if you manage to find a backgate. If I come across anything I'll let you know too. I'm waiting to hear back from Huawei at the moment.
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Do you know if the issue was there in the previous version of the firmware to b180? Just wondering if it's just a bug in b180 or in Huawei's implementation of lollipop in general.
I hear that Marshmallow (stable) is being released soon in the UK. Maybe the problem will be fixed in that update anyway. We can only hope.
Let me know if you manage to find a backgate. If I come across anything I'll let you know too. I'm waiting to hear back from Huawei at the moment.
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Yesss :laugh: Found app which works and it's great !!!!
Shows 6 last recent apps. Swipeable from edge of screen. Independent from system recent app which means even if you clear recent apps there, they still exist in app i found Very customizable
Name is 'Swiftly switch' .
PM me if you need 'help' installing
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3. Opera Max recently received a feature whereby it can track background data usage on an app by app basis. This works fine on my old phone but on the honor 7, Opera Max is unable to distinguish whether the data is being used in the background or whether it's being used while I am using the app actively. Weirdly it does seem to be able to work out what apps I have been using at least although other apps don't.
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It monitors traffic generated by apps as it passes through the VPN hence it's able to distinguish these, where the rest relies on the usage access API for data usage stats. This is also why in certain cases data usage can differ between what the OS reports and what is displayed in Opera Max.
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It monitors traffic generated by apps as it passes through the VPN hence it's able to distinguish these, where the rest relies on the usage access API for data usage stats. This is also why in certain cases data usage can differ between what the OS reports and what is displayed in Opera Max.
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So would this be why it is able to work out how much data I have used (based on the traffic that has passed through the VPN) but not able to distinguish whether that data was in the background or not due to no access to usage data?
Also do you work for Opera?? Weirdly enough I won this phone from a competition that was run by Opera over Christmas.
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So would this be why it is able to work out how much data I have used (based on the traffic that has passed through the VPN) but not able to distinguish whether that data was in the background or not due to no access to usage data?
Also do you work for Opera?? Weirdly enough I won this phone from a competition that was run by Opera over Christmas.
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Exactly. We need to have usage access to see what app is in the foreground. By that we can mark the rest as in the background and categorize the traffic accordingly. There's a bit of lag in reporting the foreground app (up to 1s, depends on the device, usually around 200ms IIRC) and I'm not sure if we tested this with floating windows yet.
Yes, I work at Opera in a QA Engineer role for Max . I hope you're satisfied with your prize .
If you know your way around ADB you can send me logcats if there are any exceptions thrown due to this issue by Max .
Alternatively you could just wait for the Android MM OTA and see if it fixes the issue.
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Exactly. We need to have usage access to see what app is in the foreground. By that we can mark the rest as in the background and categorize the traffic accordingly. There's a bit of lag in reporting the foreground app (up to 1s, depends on the device, usually around 200ms IIRC) and I'm not sure if we tested this with floating windows yet.
Yes, I work at Opera in a QA Engineer role for Max . I hope you're satisfied with your prize .
If you know your way around ADB you can send me logcats if there are any exceptions thrown due to this issue by Max .
Alternatively you could just wait for the Android MM OTA and see if it fixes the issue.
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Yeah its a really good phone, just wish Huawei would give me my bootloader unlock code so I can root, but that's a whole other story and topic
I can send you logcats if you want them although I haven't experienced any real issues with Opera Max other than the occasional notification telling me that certain apps have used a lot of background data which I actually used as foreground data but thats not really an issue with the app but rather the app working correctly with the information that is being provided to it by the phone so I can't really fault it for that.
I did report the issue to Honor UK and they said they would submit it as a bug and that hopefully it will be sorted in the Marshmallow update. Just waiting for the update which should be soon hopefully.
Thanks for the clarification anyway. The whole team at opera do a great job with both Opera Max and Opera Browser.
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I can send you logcats if you want them although I haven't experienced any real issues with Opera Max other than the occasional notification telling me that certain apps have used a lot of background data which I actually used as foreground data but thats not really an issue with the app but rather the app working correctly with the information that is being provided to it by the phone so I can't really fault it for that.
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That's an interesting edge case we didn't bump into yet. Sanity-checking system APIs in the app can make sense but on the other hand there's no easy way to later test these cases. It's easier to assume that the app is at fault then and just gather feedback from users .
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I did report the issue to Honor UK and they said they would submit it as a bug and that hopefully it will be sorted in the Marshmallow update. Just waiting for the update which should be soon hopefully.
Thanks for the clarification anyway. The whole team at opera do a great job with both Opera Max and Opera Browser.
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I'll assume then that the Honor team will tackle this issue then . It's a pity they don't ship with the bootloader unlocked. Having root on devices is essential for comfortable debugging of VPN issues so I feel you .
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zamber88 said:
I'll assume then that the Honor team will tackle this issue then . It's a pity they don't ship with the bootloader unlocked. Having root on devices is essential for comfortable debugging of VPN issues so I feel you .
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I now have an unlocked bootloader, custom recovery and rooted marshmallow installed. It seems so far that any issues that I was having that were related to requiring access to app usage data are all fixed in the marshmallow update. Opera Max is now working how it used to with correct reporting of what data was used in the foreground and what data was used in the background.
All is good in marshmallow land on my Honor 7 now.
Squall88uk said:
I now have an unlocked bootloader, custom recovery and rooted marshmallow installed. It seems so far that any issues that I was having that were related to requiring access to app usage data are all fixed in the marshmallow update. Opera Max is now working how it used to with correct reporting of what data was used in the foreground and what data was used in the background.
All is good in marshmallow land on my Honor 7 now.
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Good to hear that MM works fine for you and that you finally got an unlocked bootloader!
This phone seems very slow to me. I'm pretty disappointed.
- camera opens very slow (takes up to 4seconds!!)
- Switching between apps is very slow
- When im receving phone calls thru LINE the phone is sometimes too slow to handle it and just shows it as missed calls. (didn't have this problem with the z3 compact).
I cleanded up everything, did many LINE cleanups and re-installations. Used different performance enhancement tools. I googled alot but nothing i found really helped to improve the performance.
The MM update didn't change this slow behaviours. I only have a few apps installed and i always close the apps/tasks i don't need. For me it looks that there is
I encyrpted the phone, but i don't think that this sould affect the performace so much.
btw: LINE is crucial for me: )
MaiRuay said:
This phone seems very slow to me. I'm pretty disappointed.
- camera opens very slow (takes up to 4seconds!!)
- Switching between apps is very slow
- When im receving phone calls thru LINE the phone is sometimes too slow to handle it and just shows it as missed calls. (didn't have this problem with the z3 compact).
I cleanded up everything, did many LINE cleanups and re-installations. Used different performance enhancement tools. I googled alot but nothing i found really helped to improve the performance.
The MM update didn't change this slow behaviours. I only have a few apps installed and i always close the apps/tasks i don't need. For me it looks that there is
I encyrpted the phone, but i don't think that this sould affect the performace so much.
btw: LINE is crucial for me: )
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To speed up the camera there was a tick box to check off somewhere. I think it was something in album if I remember. I just completely got rid of album and the video maker thing that constantly is searching your pics.
To speed up app switching turn off animations and any voice commands or Google search apps that pause for a command.
Also don't close out apps, I've removed the app switcher button for a menu button, there's no need to kill apps in the background on Android. It has to load completely over every time you try to access it.
Disable photo analyzer?
? pretty sure that's the one you're looking for.
civicsr2cool said:
pretty sure that's the one you're looking for.
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It seems to speed up the opening process of the camera app a little bit. But what does it do? Are there any functionality limitations now?
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It seems to speed up the opening process of the camera app a little bit. But what does it do? Are there any functionality limitations now?
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No limitations at all. Unless you use the "Faces" feature in the Album app.
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So, i did now the following:
- unencrypt the phone (needs factory reset wtf)
- deactivated the Photo analyzer
- In developer options: Enabled GPU rendering**
- In developer options: Enabled HW Overlay**
The speed is now better but still very slow for these HW specs. Somehow acceptable, but the battery drain is higher..
There is an issue with the latest list so don't copy it completely. I got a bootloop after restarting my phone today and I had to factory reset... this is as of 10/8/16 at 12:50pm. The list from the 5th of October on back should be fine. I'm currently trying to sort out the issue.
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Here is a list of apps and services which can be disabled on the Note 7 while still maintaining stability; Data, Calling, Texting, MMS, Wi-Fi, Tethering, Bluetooth, GPS, Sync, Camera, EQ, HD Calling, Always On and all the S-Pen features work, but most other things are turned off like Fingerprint, Iris, NFC, Edge Panel, Pay Services, etc... This list isn't meant to be copied exactly by everyone because we all use our devices differently but you can pick and choose what you want to get the optimal performance from your device.
As of 10/6/16 I have 180+ apps and services disabled and today I got over 8 hours of SOT with 11% battery left (over 9 hours projected of SOT based on the days' usage). I didn't use any power saving modes and kept my brightness at a reasonable level so using the device was easy and not annoying due to the brightness being so low. I had location and sync enabled and wasn't doing any unnatural things trying to squeeze out as much battery life as I could. This was real world usage with all the necessary features and background processes running so using the device felt natural and functional. I say this so people don't think I fudged these numbers by doing things like letting my phone sit with the screen on while at the lowest brightness and not using it, or that I was using some power saving modes to squeeze out as much life as possible. My phone ran at full power all day. I've never even toggled power saving mode on my phone before.
Due to XDA's limit on the amount of image uploads I'm going to create two post with the complete list of disabled apps and link them here in the OP.
I'm using EZ Package Disabler (Samsung) from the play store to disable these apps and services. I bought that one because it had the highest rating.
Below here are some updates I posted during the process of figuring out what to disable. The post with the latest date is always going to have the most current and relevant information.
9/30/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68930083&postcount=16
10/2/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68950934&postcount=23
10/3/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68972097&postcount=26 / http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68972131&postcount=27
10/5/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68999679&postcount=33
[UNSTABLE something in this list caused me to bootloop]10/6/16 - 184 Disabled Apps & Services List Part 1 Here and Part 2 Here XML Export File List Here
Why do you bother to own this phone when you disable most of what makes this phone so great? It has a tonne of RAM, tonne of storage, not sure what you are trying to achieve by disabling so much?
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tonymy01 said:
Why do you bother to own this phone when you disable most of what makes this phone so great? It has a tonne of RAM, tonne of storage, not sure what you are trying to achieve by disabling so much?
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Actually, most of the features are still there. I bought it for the S-pen features and all that is still there. Did you go through the list and see what I turned off or are you just replying to reply? If you read my OG post you'd see I said that my goal was to keep the functionality of the device.
This phone is loaded with bloat and useless services and apps that most will never use. All these things can cause battery drain, cpu usage, ram usage, hardware heat, among other things. So why not turn off what is not needed? It doesn't matter how much ram the phone has, why run stuff that doesn't need to run since you aren't using it?
Fingerprint,shealth, Android pay, software updating, iris scanner, gmail, standard email, game launcher, Samsung cloud (much more useful than Google backup as it supports call logs, sms and other recoveries), the emergency alerts, car mode(for operating in car potentially with different launcher suitable for vehicle use) the list goes on and on and I did look, I don't post for no reason.
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Fingerprint,shealth, Android pay, software updating, iris scanner, gmail, standard email, game launcher, the emergency alerts, car mode(for operating in car potentially with different launcher suitable for vehicle use) the list goes on and on and I did look, I don't post for no reason.
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Like I said, I bought it for the S-pen features. What I disabled I don't use and have no use for. Also If I want to use them at any time I can just reenable them. So let's go through your list. Fingerprint, I use swipe or a pin or a pattern. S-health, I use google fit, or nothing since I don't need a smartphone to tell me how to be fit. Android pay, I use cash. Software updating, if I want an update I can manually grab it, I don't need a service running constantly checking for them. Iris scanner, it's stupid and I'll never use it. Gmail, I use inbox and Alto. Standard email, I only have gmail accounts so don't need other email services. Game launcher, I don't play games. Emergency Alerts, seriously? You are just looking for things to justify your post, EA's are useless and annoying when they pop up and have never benefited me once. Car mode, I have no use for it since I drive a 2000 windstar minivan and waze provides me with all I need in a car. Also, you didn't name one thing that makes this phone great but rather things that are basically on all Android's. Again, I bought the phone for the S-pen, all that is still there. Why are you even doing this? your post are as useless as the apps and services I disabled.
Troll flushed where it belongs. Goodbye, no need to be so rude about it.
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It may be more useful to state what battery usage difference has been found / before and after
bonerp said:
It may be more useful to state what battery usage difference has been found / before and after
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Totally agree. I will try testing N7 when I get mine. First factory reset it out of the box (maybe get the update first then factory reset it with recovery). After that set it up keep all apps and see how battery is... the try the disabler I loke to debloat because phone looks much more cleaner then. And any debloat list is totally personal that why I used TB on my rooted devices, this time won't rush to root
Just disable the damn phone, turn it off and stop using it lol
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Why all the hate?
I really don't get when people post about disabling certain features that others get upset. Or use power saver, etc.
This is one of the great things about Android, the ability to customize and mod our phones to our liking. Try doing any of these things with an Iphone, you can't. So this particular user wants to disable Gmail and messages because he uses other services (Inbox is awesome). He reports back that things still seem stable? Great! I am interested in updates to see if he runs into any problems etc
Let's talk about the great features we have, which include the ability to replace core apps if we desire. Don't jump on someone for doing so.
A mouse running into a room at a party doesn't cause chaos, how people react to it does. We are all responsible for our own actions. You don't like how someone else customizes their phone, who cares? Move on to the next post.
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Why all the hate? I am interested in updates to see if he runs into any problems etc
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Used the phone very heavy today and ran into no real issues. I had to reenable one service because I tried to use the built-in EQ and it made settings crash. I was able to find the cause in less than a minute and reenable it The service that needs to run for the EQ to work is "SoundAlive" on page 8.
Also got 2.75 hours of SOT and 3 hours of gps use and was right at 50% battery left. At the end of tomorrow I'm going to post some screenshots.
Thanks for the list OP, I probably won't be disabling as much as you have but it's great to know what I can kill without messing up the phone. (when I finally get it)
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Thanks for the list OP, I probably won't be disabling as much as you have but it's great to know what I can kill without messing up the phone. (when I finally get it)
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No problem. I plan on trying to get more added to the list. Once I know what I've added so far is safe and doesn't cause any issues I'll slowly add more.
I appreciate the list too. It is good to know what can be safely disabled and then we can decide what we want to keep or give the heave ho.
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I appreciate the list too. It is good to know what can be safely disabled and then we can decide what we want to keep or give the heave ho.
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I've done another day of heavy use today and I'm very happy with my results. I had over 3 hours of SOT using auto brightness which stayed on max brightness most of the time since I was outside and I still had over 40% (I estimate I was on track to get very close to 6 hours SOT with max auto brightness!!!) battery left when I got home. I also used GPS for about an hour along with installing app, and constantly doing other stuff on the phone. I'm going to update the OP with some more screenshots. But from these past two full days of very heavy use and no force closes or issues to speak of (other than having to turn SoundAlive back on for the EQ to work) I'm going to say what I've disabled so far is safe and causes no dependency issues. Also, the phone runs very smooth and doesn't get hot at all. Even today with basically 3 straight hours of SOT and max auto brightness the phone never heated up.
Oh! I'm at 101 things disabled now (not including my downloaded disabled apps) which is how I ran it all day today. More to come! Once I feel like I've found everything I can disable safely I'll do a new updated OP with all I found.
9/30/16 screenshots just showing some battery and cpu use stats. In the future I'm going to add some temp stats. If anyone has a good app for monitoring temps let me know even if it's paid. I don't mind buying apps that are good and useful.
Awesome the list is identical to what I disabled excluding iris, finger print, Samsung app store, gmail and sound alive. I can tell my phone lasts longer on a single charge and everything works just as if everything were enabled. For some odd reason I don't like seeing my RAM going over 2GB lol I know I know unused memory is a waste in Android OS.
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Awesome the list is identical to what I disabled excluding iris, finger print, Samsung app store, gmail and sound alive. I can tell my phone lasts longer on a single charge and everything works just as if everything were enabled. For some odd reason I don't like seeing my RAM going over 2GB lol I know I know unused memory is a waste in Android OS.
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I've always hated automation. I can't stand things running without my permission! I've had all startup programs on windows disabled since 2003 Back in the day on Windows XP I got my active running services in task manager to below 20. I'm now at 101 things disabled on the note 7 and I know there is a ton more I can turn off but I'm going about things slowly. I've confirmed that the 101 things I've turned off so far are safe and the phone definitely runs better in every way.
As far as the ram theories and myths about Android it's mostly people repeating their misunderstandings. Of course if you are using the apps in the ram a lot it's good for them to be there because they will load faster but if you are never using those apps and services and they are still sitting in your ram then it's not productive and a waste of resources which will cause the phone to not run optimally. These phones (and computers) come preloaded with tons of stuff running because they are targeted at the average user and not at the power/informed users. Anyone who knows much of anything about computers and how they are setup from the factory knows they are not configured for performance but rather a balance between performance and usability. Of course Android is getting better and better at managing apps and putting them to sleep but there still is nothing better than completely disabling things you don't need and will never use and thereby freeing up resources you can use for things you are actually using...wow! what a concept, have resources there to use for things you actually use! Genius! People seem to act like having ram full just for the sake of having it full is a good thing in Android when that is completely false. Even Android likes to have resources free that it can use for other things.
142 disabled apps and services
So I'm now sitting at 142 things disabled. I'm going to run my current setup for a couple days and see how it goes. I'll report back the results. Hopefully in a week or so I'll have a full list of what can be turned off without having issues.
Looking forward to your end results. Thank You for sharing your experience debloating.
I have a Pixel 2 XL with Android 9 Pie. I'm wondering is there still a benefit to using Greenify with all the battery management functionality built into 9?
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I have a Pixel 2 XL with Android 9 Pie. I'm wondering is there still a benefit to using Greenify with all the battery management functionality built into 9?
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My personal recommendation is 'no'. Usually it is recommended when you have some app which runs riot in the background and there is no other way to control it. I find the implementation of Doze in Pie to be impressive and my suit of apps don't have any misbehaving app.
Thanks for the reply. Is the best way to check for rogue apps to just check the battery usage stats in settings?
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Thanks for the reply. Is the best way to check for rogue apps to just check the battery usage stats in settings?
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It is one of the ways to check for the actors in the drain scenario. A deeper analysis will require something like BetterBatteryStats from PlayStore.
I have an issue on pie if i wake up my device after 2 to 3 hrs it works like snail until i reboot my device. I dont think its memory issue as the ram us 4gb onboard and after wakup i checked it was around 1.8gb free. Please provide workaround.
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Please provide workaround.
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Workaround: don't use Greenify; problem solved.
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I have an issue on pie if i wake up my device after 2 to 3 hrs it works like snail until i reboot my device. I dont think its memory issue as the ram us 4gb onboard and after wakup i checked it was around 1.8gb free. Please provide workaround.
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If you read the posts above yours, you will understand the comment of Davey126. Already Doze is near perfect in Pie and adding Greenify to the pot and further restricting apps through it, is likely to cause the behaviour that you are complaining of.
If you must still use Greenify, reduce the number of apps controlled by it to the minimum (only those definitely identified as rogues).
I stopped installing Greenify in 8.1, theres literally no point the memory management has evolved to a point now where its just adding complexity/cycles and RAM usage and acting in the reverse of your best interests - the opposite of what it used to do.
It was great in the past, but now its surplus to demands
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I stopped installing Greenify in 8.1, theres literally no point the memory management has evolved to a point now where its just adding complexity/cycles and RAM usage and acting in the reverse of your best interests - the opposite of what it used to do.
It was great in the past, but now its surplus to demands
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While I concur with most of your statements (including adding potentially unnecessary complexity) I have yet to experience significant resource loading attributable to Greenify. It resides on most my gizmos and serves as an overt check on apps that remain within the bounds of doze but exhibit behaviors that I find undesirable and/or consume unwanted cycles. The offenses are far more reserved than in the past but still annoying. That said, Greenify is clearly not needed on the vast majority of consumer devices running Android 7+.
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While I concur with most of your statements (including adding potentially unnecessary complexity) I have yet to experience significant resource loading attributable to Greenify. It resides on most my gizmos and serves as an overt check on apps that remain within the bounds of doze but exhibit behaviors that I find undesirable and/or consume unwanted cycles. The offenses are far more reserved than in the past but still annoying. That said, Greenify is clearly not needed on the vast majority of consumer devices running Android 7+.
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i guess the thing overlooked now that process/memory management is much better is that its kind of insane to be installing Greenify, and then having to exclude it from that process/memory management, so that it can do arguably a slightly worse job.....bit mad, and not the fault of Greenify, its users not using it properly (but its had that problem since it launched - people greenifying everything for example lol). Also not its fault is that people have gotten so used to installing it with every ROM flash, so its a learned habit, and they never try a ROM without it installed, so they never figure out they dont necessarily need it...
Im not trying to rubbish Greenify in any way at all, it was probably the first utility app i ever purchased right back when it first came out, and it did save my (and a millionty) other peoples bacon for years....i never regretted buying it, and thats not always been the case with utility app purchases...most have been next to useless!
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i guess the thing overlooked now that process/memory management is much better is that its kind of insane to be installing Greenify, and then having to exclude it from that process/memory management, so that it can do arguably a slightly worse job.....bit mad, and not the fault of Greenify, its users not using it properly (but its had that problem since it launched - people greenifying everything for example lol). Also not its fault is that people have gotten so used to installing it with every ROM flash, so its a learned habit, and they never try a ROM without it installed, so they never figure out they dont necessarily need it...
Im not trying to rubbish Greenify in any way at all, it was probably the first utility app i ever purchased right back when it first came out, and it did save my (and a millionty) other peoples bacon for years....i never regretted buying it, and thats not always been the case with utility app purchases...most have been next to useless!
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Yep - it's a tool that can still yield tangible benefits if used judiciously. Xposed extensions increase potency and sidesteps battery optimization woes. When Xposed isn't an option Greenify still works fine with simple adjustments. That said, I fully agree it is not needed on most modern devices/ROMs.
It's definitely useful in some cases. Instagram is one of those apps that bypass Android battery controls. I have battery optimization on, background data off, battery restriction on, and background check off (in developer options) and it still runs in the background. Even regular hibernation doesn't work. I have to use Island and Greenify to freeze it on screen off.
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i guess the thing overlooked now that process/memory management is much better is that its kind of insane to be installing Greenify, and then having to exclude it from that process/memory management, so that it can do arguably a slightly worse job.....bit mad, and not the fault of Greenify, its users not using it properly (but its had that problem since it launched - people greenifying everything for example lol). Also not its fault is that people have gotten so used to installing it with every ROM flash, so its a learned habit, and they never try a ROM without it installed, so they never figure out they dont necessarily need it...
Im not trying to rubbish Greenify in any way at all, it was probably the first utility app i ever purchased right back when it first came out, and it did save my (and a millionty) other peoples bacon for years....i never regretted buying it, and thats not always been the case with utility app purchases...most have been next to useless!
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Same with me. Greenify is my first buy
I use greenify widget "sleep and hibernate now" to turn my screen off.
Is there any other apps that can substitute greenify for that purpose?
I like screen off method of greenify because when we turn on the screen, we can use fingerprint (as far as i know other screen off apps must use pin/pattern to turn the screen on)
if no greenify what about the feature that shows all google sync in the accounts section? greenify unhides them and allows you to turn them all off, on stock android they hidden and kept on.
Is there an alternate way to unhide them?
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if no greenify what about the feature that shows all google sync in the accounts section? greenify unhides them and allows you to turn them all off, on stock android they hidden and kept on.
Is there an alternate way to unhide them?
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Interesting, I didn't even know Greenify did that. Would also be curious to know this.