I come in peace...
Greetings. Chris aka Tophie here from Jamaica.
[I know there is an "introduce yourself first b4 spam...I mean posting" around here somewhere but...I'm skipping a bit].
I'm planning to purchase a new device from my current AT&T 2GB RAM S3 with CM13 - I had a Note 2 before that but it was stolen (the sadness ).
Long story short... I really like the G4 (cuz camera) and the V10 (cuz camera and video controls) but at the moment I'm not sure which one to choose. As a amateur/semi pro photog junkie I want either of these.
1. I read something about "international" version of the V10 won't be compatible with LTE (thinking long term for traveling reasons).
2. Still waiting on news about it being modded...because it's a thing to do.
3. The G4 is less expensive and pretty much does what the V10 does...minus the extra beef...and fingerprint reader.
I just need help in choosing. Personally I'm hell bent on getting the V10 just because it's odd and weird...and powerful, but the G4 gives me a sense of security [minus that bootloop thing I also read about here...sigh]
And yes, I'm talking about off-contract devices here.
Hope that gives some picture of my 'dilemma' - any hel/advice would be appreciated.
Thank you!
I have the LG V10, and the need for a custom recovery and bootloader unlock is not really required, custom ROMs are not really necessary either, the stock ROMs keep getting better and better each year, and any features, or UI changes you want to make can just be done with root (which we have already accomplished for all variants, correct me if im wrong. I am happily rooted and have Xposed, Greenify, and G4TweaksBox so I can theme it. Just whatever you do not buy from Verizon, not that I don't like them or anything but it is possible they updated all their phones in their store to Marshmallow which is unrootable atm. The AT&T variant should be fine, they have not sent me a Marshmallow OTA yet, so that should be good. And also, btw personally I was really considering the G4, because of its curved form factor, and amazing development support and great skins, cases, etc. In a nutshell the LG V10 is a LG G4 Pro edition, although the LG G4 should run just fine. The only real advantages the LG V10 has is 1GB more of RAM that really is not that necessary, nice, but not necessary. The G4 also has a much more established XDA forum, with development for every model, here we just got root like a few weeks ago, and we are still scrambling around. Who knows what the future might hold for the LG V10? We don't know. We already know whats in stock for the LG G4 so if you want a more secure option, that you might not regret, the G4 might be for you. The LG V10 is for the adventurous.
Side note, T-Mobile has unlocked bootloader support for the LG V10, so maybe try considering them if your not on a grandfathered plan, I hear they are working on CM 13 for it. The development over there is great as well. Good luck!
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... We already know whats in stock for the LG G4 so if you want a more secure option, that you might not regret, the G4 might be for you. The LG V10 is for the adventurous.
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THIS is all too true.
I'm much more confident in a G4 purchase even with the V10's bells and extra beef to be honest...yet there's something that craves the V10 that I can't explain.
Must be all that power maybe... I've never owned a 4GB mobile device before so I'm rather curious.
All these issues with the different versions however leave me at a bit of a standstill [unless I get the AT&T version and somehow unlock it for use here in Jamaica...or get the Korean variant] - while the G4's international version works all around [yay support!]
All in all I may just get the G4 anyway [the G5 can pass...as awesome as it looks, I'm secretly more interested in the upcoming Note 6].
Thanks for your input
Any other comments are appreciated.
v10 has DAC. G4 has locked down equalizer. v10.
tophiekai said:
THIS is all too true.
I'm much more confident in a G4 purchase even with the V10's bells and extra beef to be honest...yet there's something that craves the V10 that I can't explain.
Must be all that power maybe... I've never owned a 4GB mobile device before so I'm rather curious.
All these issues with the different versions however leave me at a bit of a standstill [unless I get the AT&T version and somehow unlock it for use here in Jamaica...or get the Korean variant] - while the G4's international version works all around [yay support!]
All in all I may just get the G4 anyway [the G5 can pass...as awesome as it looks, I'm secretly more interested in the upcoming Note 6].
Thanks for your input
Any other comments are appreciated.
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And to be completely honest, if the system is well optimized, 4GB wont do much for you 3GB is fine.
Still 50/50 :/
No purchases just yet - waiting on some funds specifically for it.
However I'm still going back and forth (can you blame me?).
Waiting on V10 price drops...and also eyeing it for manual video mode [the audio output on the G4 sounds rather...tinny... I'm a vocalist so I pat attention to these things for overall presentation].
The same confusion with the 4G band for the "international version' bugs me - is there a way to get the AT&T version and "cheat"?
LOL smh
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And to be completely honest, if the system is well optimized, 4GB wont do much for you 3GB is fine.
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The V10 is an awesome device. I've been going through all reviews (Youtube & Forums alike), and I'm pretty much okay with it more than any flagship currently on the market. However, the October release of the V10 is kind of awkward and untimely considering (rumors) that they plan to announce the LG G5 in the first quarter of 2016. As a keen tech-savvy consumer / power user, I am aware that flagships grow exponentially every year offering the same premium price (i.e. S6 is an improvement of the Note 4, and probably the S7 will be an improvement of the Note 5). So it is highly likely that the LG G5 will be an improved version of the V10, and the V11 will be obviously a step up higher than the G5.
While I am not in a hurry to buy a new phone, despite my very crappy/laggy cheap Lenovo A536, I am still occasionally tempted to get the V10 (especially when my current phone freezes to eternity). On the other hand, it keeps me from doing that as I am anticipating LG's announcement at CES 2016 in a month or two from now, which will be readily available on the market by March or April, offering it at an introductory price that would be the same with the V10 right now.
Also, another thing that keeps me from getting the V10 is the massive size of it, when the G5 will very likely inherit its features with a 5.5-inch display and slightly better specs + ergonomics.
Well if there's no hurry then there's no harm in waiting to see what is out there. New phones are always coming out
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If you have a barely usable phone now - get a new phone soon as possible.
As for waiting for the next best thing ... what are you going to do in March when that edition comes out and they announce they'll be another phone coming.
The differences in the phones is somewhat minimal.
Go to the stores, spend time with each model you like and get the one that feels right. Its far more productive to have a useful tool than it is to have a tool that doesn't work. Waiting for the 'bigger-better-deal' in the next 3 to 4 months is keeping you from being productive today.
This is just my opinion. Good luck in your choice.
I voted no, wait for the G5. Or go a different route.
I'm actively trying to trade out of my v10. I like aspects of the phone, but if and until certain software changes are made there are better options out there now.
I love having a SD card and removable battery, but the fingerprint scanner sucks. The DPI on this phone is ridiculous. I mean, when the phone is in landscape you can't even see all the options in the sound menu.
I'm on Verizon, so I can't (yet, if ever) root and fix these issues myself. If that changes, my opinion would. Just a few tweaks could fix this phone. The outlook is dim, however, and as it stands currently I can't recommend it.
I got the v10 for the free stuff. My mom is enjoying her free tablet from T-Mobile and I love having the 200gb sd card, extra battery and charging cradle. It has its issue but honestly it is a very solid phone that works well overall. It's not bleeding edge but that has its advantages of being more stable overall. I agree with the other posters, if your phone is on its last legs like my note 2 was get the v10 you'll enjoy it, if your current phone is chugging along fine just wait for the next model.
So it REALLY depends on what you want to do with the device.
If you're interested in having the "latest and greatest" or are doing thing that might require a device that has the highest possible components, then I'd wait. If you're looking for a REALLY good device, then I'd go with the V10.
Coming from the Note III, I LOVE my V10. It's a great device
I wouldn't consider going to the V10 settling!
There will always be a latest and greatest. Once the G5 comes around, there will be rumors of a newer device. If you don't know what you want yet, and your current phone is at its end, buy a used nexus 6 or g4 for cheap until you make up your mind.
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Yep.. If you feel like you are settling you shouldn't get it.
Depends on what you want. G5 might have a better camera, but probably a smaller display, no 2nd screen, no HiFi DAC/amp, etc. Unless it comes with an OLED screen, maintains microSD & battery swap, and immensely better camera - I probably won't care.
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I wouldn't consider going to the V10 settling!
There will always be a latest and greatest. Once the G5 comes around, there will be rumors of a newer device. If you don't know what you want yet, and your current phone is at its end, buy a used nexus 6 or g4 for cheap until you make up your mind.
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Thanks! One of the things I also need is the Dual-SIM feature. While I know that some have the H961 available, I still do not see it on my trusted seller's offerings yet. I really need that Dual-SIM as I live in Asia. I currently have an unlimited data sim separate from my daily calling and texting sim card. I do understand though that LG G5 will offer that as well but a month after the official model is released, same was with the LG G4.
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Depends on what you want. G5 might have a better camera, but probably a smaller display, no 2nd screen, no HiFi DAC/amp, etc. Unless it comes with an OLED screen, maintains microSD & battery swap, and immensely better camera - I probably won't care.
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Rumors say that it will have a 5.6-inch QHD display? Either way, 5.5-inch is enough for my needs, and a .1 inch difference from a V10 is negligible to me. Wouldn't care much about the 2nd screen.
I'm waiting for the G5 personally. Its only a few months around the corner most likely.
I would trade V10 with G5 IF the G5 have front facing speaker,sd card, removable battery and a camera that even better than G4 and V10 (since i got no. 3 in photograph contest while most people using a DSLR camera )
So far i really like my V10 right now, so far a really great device imo and i would stay with V10 if G5 doesnt meet my requirement
LG 5 rumors suggest the battery won't be removable so that may be a deal breaker for some. The rumored specs don't seem much superior over the v10
Oh really thats a bummer, i heard it use SD 820 chip i dont know if it worth a trade
But removable battery kinda a huge deal for me
Hello guys! I was thinking on buying a new device. Currently I have Galaxy S6, but before this device I always had LG phones(LG G2, G3). I didn't like G4 mostly because of lack of fingerprint sensor silly reason but I use it alot. So now I was thinking on buying LG G5 or LG V10. I don't think I will use the modulars in LG G5(except maybe I will get an extra battery). So which one do you suggest for me?(you can make other suggestions also) Thank you in advance
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Hello guys! I was thinking on buying a new device. Currently I have Galaxy S6, but before this device I always had LG phones(LG G2, G3). I didn't like G4 mostly because of lack of fingerprint sensor silly reason but I use it alot. So now I was thinking on buying LG G5 or LG V10. I don't think I will use the modulars in LG G5(except maybe I will get an extra battery). So which one do you suggest for me?(you can make other suggestions also) Thank you in advance
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Honestly, if you like custom ROMs at all, I would vote no on both LG phones.
I would rather be running CM versus a stock ROM + Xposed. Xposed just seems to have too many issues where apps or tweaks stop working.
I previously had a V10, then via a warranty exchange, they gave me a G5. I accepted the G5 since I decided the V10 was just too big and bulky and the G5 was newer.
Comparing the two, I prefer my G5 over the V10 still. I do feel like the G5 is much more fragile. It is just more plastic-y versus my steel-railed V10. Additionally, the latest software on the G5 is much more feature-filled and polished versus the V10. Don't quite understand why the V10 doesn't have a very similar build of MM, but w/e.
Alternatives? Maybe wait until Oct 4th so we can get a look at Google's phone?
I am probably a bad person for suggestions as it seems like no phone can meet proper standards for me... Now if say the S7 was built by HTC, unlocked, water-resistant, nice 5.1" size... Maybe I would have a new phone myself!
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Honestly, if you like custom ROMs at all, I would vote no on both LG phones.
I would rather be running CM versus a stock ROM + Xposed. Xposed just seems to have too many issues where apps or tweaks stop working.
I previously had a V10, then via a warranty exchange, they gave me a G5. I accepted the G5 since I decided the V10 was just too big and bulky and the G5 was newer.
Comparing the two, I prefer my G5 over the V10 still. I do feel like the G5 is much more fragile. It is just more plastic-y versus my steel-railed V10. Additionally, the latest software on the G5 is much more feature-filled and polished versus the V10. Don't quite understand why the V10 doesn't have a very similar build of MM, but w/e.
Alternatives? Maybe wait until Oct 4th so we can get a look at Google's phone?
I am probably a bad person for suggestions as it seems like no phone can meet proper standards for me... Now if say the S7 was built by HTC, unlocked, water-resistant, nice 5.1" size... Maybe I would have a new phone myself!
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Actually I love custom roms but seeing the situation there are not custom roms not only for lg but also samsung. What do you think about Nexus 6p? I am just worried about it's camera, is it good?
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Actually I love custom roms but seeing the situation there are not custom roms not only for lg but also samsung. What do you think about Nexus 6p? I am just worried about it's camera, is it good?
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Well, I guess I am a believer that all high-end device cameras are pretty darn good now; Isn't much of a noticeable difference between most of them.
Looking at some lengthy comparisons- http://www.androidcentral.com/camera-showdown-s7-vs-6s-vs-6p-vs-950, looks like it is kind of a toss-up.
What I can't speak for is how fast it is... When comparing my last few phones, Nexus 5 vs V10 vs G5; I would say the order is G5, N5, V10. For whatever reason, from launch to snap took FOREVER on my V10. I LOVE how fast the G5 is, I can take a photo in like 2 seconds, which is a big advantage to me.
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Actually I love custom roms but seeing the situation there are not custom roms not only for lg but also samsung. What do you think about Nexus 6p? I am just worried about it's camera, is it good?
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It's much more likely to get fully working CM on a Qualcomm device like the G5 than on an Exynos device like the SGS6 or SGS7.
The Nexus 6p is outdated, I wouldn't buy a Snapdragon 810 device now.
The G5 is lightning-fast and has a very good camera. Also the battery runtime is good IMO. With CM or AOSP it would be a tremendous smartphone, let's see if the camera issue will be solved.
But however you decide, you have to buy what you like most.
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It's much more likely to get fully working CM on a Qualcomm device like the G5 than on an Exynos device like the SGS6 or SGS7.
The Nexus 6p is outdated, I wouldn't buy a Snapdragon 810 device now.
The G5 is lightning-fast and has a very good camera. Also the battery runtime is good IMO. With CM or AOSP it would be a tremendous smartphone, let's see if the camera issue will be solved.
But however you decide, you have to buy what you like most.
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Sorry for asking all these questions : but is there any development going on on AOSP ROMS for G5? If so what variant should I get?
Depends on you. If you like stock. G5 is a great buy. I don't mind if the H860 has no custom ROM for now as long as the stock official ROM is stable and usable and runs great. To be honest the stock ROM is great. Battery is good, performance is good and everything else. I'm happy that I bought G5. A big leap from my LG G2. Camera, gaming, video and the like are great. Custom ROM's are optional and depends on the user. I do like custom ROM but I'm satisfied with my current state of my G5. :victory:
If it's not too expensive I would go for the LG V20. I am happy with my G5, but I have an european H850 with unlocked bootloader and for a great price
Look into the V20 if you don't mind a larger phone
The phone hardware is amazing but it doesn't have many roms on the software side. I would still get it if I were you. I've had big problems with the Cam+ module I got as a preorder. 3rd one works fine though.
Honestly if you are going to get the LG G5. Get the V20 instead.
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The phone hardware is amazing but it doesn't have many roms on the software side. I would still get it if I were you. I've had big problems with the Cam+ module I got as a preorder. 3rd one works fine though.
Honestly if you are going to get the LG G5. Get the V20 instead.
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You are right but I can get lg g5 at a lower price. While v20 would cost alot
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You are right but I can get lg g5 at a lower price. While v20 would cost alot
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It's a better phone though with less issues and better hardware. Worth the price.
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It's a better phone though with less issues and better hardware. Worth the price.
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Yes but for me price is very important. I am student so I do not have much money
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Yes but for me price is very important. I am student so I do not have much money
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Well I would look at another phone then like the Axon 7. The LG G5 isn't aimed at students on a budget.
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Well I would look at another phone then like the Axon 7. The LG G5 isn't aimed at students on a budget.
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I can get a used one, or bad esn from US(which are very cheap) and unlock it(because I currently live in europe)
I really like it. It took some time getting used to it but I got it on prime day really cheap, so cheap in fact that once I sell it in 2 years I probably will not have lost any money
Battery life is good the cameras are awesome and it is really fast. If you can get a good deal on it, go for it
Hi!
I'd really like to get a new phone to replace my ageing LG G2 whose GPS is getting more and more buggy and 2 gigs of RAM is not enough to give me easy use of Pokemon Go. While I don't consider it perfect, I don't like AMOLED screens and the nearest competitor, HTC 10, is way more expensive here in Czechia.
Anyway, I'd like to ask what should I be aware of when buying LG G5. Any faulty series? Something to check immediately? GPS? Backlight bleeding issues?
Thanks!
Be aware that the V20 comes out later this month
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Be aware that the V20 comes out later this month
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Good point! The V20 may be too large for me, but it may offer some interesting ROM porting possibilities maybe.
Is this as close to the perfect smartphone as you can get? It checks every single box for me, all the right ideas in the right ways. And did you see that blue version? Salivating...
I know it's early, but has anyone heard anything about the release date? I think I really need this one
September 21st in Korea then a bit later in other countries i heard?
I may very well preorder this one. I have an LG G3 and love it. If only the V30 gets root will I buy.
Looks great. I would have liked to see 6GB of RAM for a bit more future proofing. Also, I'd like to see LG more friendly wrt bootloader unlocking... but that's not really a criticism of this phone specifically.
If this is $5 cheaper than Pixel XL 2, I'm going for it considering it can be rooted. This could easily give the new Pixel a run for it's money if cheaper.
Echoing all your sentiments. I'm excited.
Anyone have experience regarding LG and how developer/custom ROM-friendly their phones are?
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Echoing all your sentiments. I'm excited.
Anyone have experience regarding LG and how developer/custom ROM-friendly their phones are?
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They lock down the BL on most models but there is usually always one model thats unlockable.
The trick is buying the correct model so you dont get stuck with one that you cant even root. I think the only G6 worth buying was the H870 intl version all the other BLs were not unlockable ( dont quote me on that lol).
The V30 has my attention for sure...may go with it over the note 8 but all pending an unlockable bootloader.
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Excited for the LG V30! Get the International Version Single SIM , it will surely get root and more community support. This is in the case for most LG flagships.
Good to know thanks @Ali Mirza
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Excited for the LG V30! Get the International Version Single SIM , it will surely get root and more community support. This is in the case for most LG flagships.
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Yes true...lets keep our fingers crossed.
The only thing this device is missing is stereo speakers...i never use earphones on my phones. Other than that LG has literally covered all the bases.
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yeah im looking for this one to drop on tmo
Will be watching closely for an unlocked Bootloader model...
The phone looks good, but I'd like to have in this phone these things:
1- UFS 2.1, the phone has UFS 2.0
2- Stereo speakers
3- 6 GB of rams
And finally better front camera. The phone's front camera has just 5 MP and f/2.2, this is so disappointing.
lg site reports UFS 2.1
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I didn't read the site unfortunately, I just read the specs from IFA. I will check the specs from LG site. Thanks for intention.
I want this phone especially because of the F/1.6 Lens aperture (yeah, I always look at the spec sheet and camera is important for me as I take lots of photos). But, as noted on this site that it appears to be F/1.69! hopefully it is only a firmware issue that Lg will fix. If indeed it is F/1.69 then I will pass. I await for word from LG on what is the real story. I know you can't round off F1.69 to F/1.6 and hopefully it is just a screwup in either the the testing software or phone firmware.
Well, it seems that LG has confirmed that it is indeed f/1.6 lense and most likely the units tested were pre-release without updated firmware and software. Good. I will buy!
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The phone looks good, but I'd like to have in this phone these things:
1- UFS 2.1, the phone has UFS 2.0
2- Stereo speakers
3- 6 GB of rams
And finally better front camera. The phone's front camera has just 5 MP and f/2.2, this is so disappointing.
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Considering the price, these are things they should have done. Both Samsung, Huawei, OnePlus and a few others have 6GB RAM models and ufs 2.1 for same price or significantly cheaper.
Will we recognize ufs 2.0 vs 2.1 in day to day? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Who's to say. But the 6Gb of RAM vs 4Gb will definitely be felt.
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The only thing this device is missing is stereo speakers...i never use earphones on my phones. Other than that LG has literally covered all the bases.
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Yes, I would like 6GB RAM and front-facing stereo speakers. With everything else, this phone would then be perfect. This phone is what the LG G6 should have been. None of that stupid "regionalized" specs crap, where no country got Qi wireless, quad DAC, and extra storage.
Glad LG is being sane and keeping the headset jack.
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The phone looks good, but I'd like to have in this phone these things:
1- UFS 2.1, the phone has UFS 2.0
2- Stereo speakers
3- 6 GB of rams
And finally better front camera. The phone's front camera has just 5 MP and f/2.2, this is so disappointing.
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All of us are pretty much thinking alike, so not sure why LG didn't also think of this? I don't understand some OEMs. They never want to make the "perfect" phone, when they easily could.
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Also, I'd like to see LG more friendly wrt bootloader unlocking... but that's not really a criticism of this phone specifically.
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Wait for the U.S. and European carrier unlocked versions to be released. Those are eligible for bootloader unlock. Do NOT buy a carrier-branded LG V30 if you care about bootloader unlock, root, TWRP, custom kernels, ROMs...
See this post:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73652182&postcount=7
My phone is Xperia Z2 and it's almost die, I bought it three years ago, but now the time has come to change it. I want to buy a new phone and I'm thinking of the HTC U11 and the LG V30. What are you thoughts guys?
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My phone is Xperia Z2 and it's almost die, I bought it three years ago, but now the time has come to change it. I want to buy a new phone and I'm thinking of the HTC U11 and the LG V30. What are you thoughts guys?
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Funny you should ask...
LG V30 vs. HTC U11: head-to-head with one of Android's most impressive phablets
While we started out thinking about the HTC U11 and LG V30 existing in much the same universe, as we start looking at individual features we keep spotting little way after little way that LG's phone feels like the superior, more functional, more polished handset. Compared to the U11, the V30 offers an analog headphone jack, has a bigger battery, supports wireless charging, and plenty other things that are simply lacking or are less well-done on the U11.
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So far they look about even in hardware specs and while the US998 model will likely feature an unlockable bootloader, is it worth it compared to the Pixel's dev support?
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So far they look about even in hardware specs and while the US998 model will likely feature an unlockable bootloader is it worth it compared to the Pixel's dev support?
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Pixel XL 2017 won't have headset jack, reportedly. Even though Google made fun of Apple for dropping theirs, and even though LG can do IP68 WITH a headset jack while Apple (so far, with iPhone 7) can only do IP67 without one.
There's really NO reason to drop the headset jack. You STILL have Bluetooth -- even with headset jack -- if you want to use ear pods or whatever. It's not either/or. Just like Qi wireless charging. I use Qi wireless when I can, but yeah sometimes I plug in. It's nice to have both options.
If dev support is you number one priority Pixel will always be the better choice. However you seem to be loosing so many features by going with the Pixel.
Depends what's important to you.
Audio: HiFi audio and headphone jack important then the V30 is the only real option
Camera: Manual mode, features and wide angle or a likely excellent auto camera?
Storage: Expandable storage yes or no.
Look and design: I think the V30 is a nce looking device the Pixel not 100% sure yet.
OS: Is stock android and faster update important to you? Same with dev support.
I don't think it that hard once you think about what's important to you. For me it's the V30 over the pixel all day.
Don't forget the Huawei mate 10, announced 16th Oct
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Don't forget the Huawei mate 10, announced 16th Oct
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Won't have Qi wireless charging, I would bet.
Probably no quad DAC either.
Therefore, no thanks.
Will the v30 get an unlockable bootloader?
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Will the v30 get an unlockable bootloader?
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Yes, the U.S. and European carrier unlocked versions will be eligible for official LG bootloader unlock. REAL bootloader unlock, not the "faux" bootloader unlock the T-mobile LG G6 got. Six months later there's still no root nor TWRP nor custom ROMs that can be flashed on T-mobile LG G6, while there's tons of dev work on the U.S. and European "carrier unlocked" LG G, which got REAL bootloader unlock.
You can check the list here and it will be updated when the LG V30 carrier unlocked versions are released.
LG Developer - Unlock Bootloader -Supported Devices
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
The U.S. carrier unlocked version will be LG V30 US998.USA
And yes the "carrier unlocked" LG G6 US998 will have LTE band 71. T-mobile confirmed it.
Google Pixel 1 was a retarded device (see nexus 6 design, it was 100 times better and with less bezels)
Google pixel 2 seems to be retarded also, BUT Pixel 2 XL seems to have a nice design with small bezels but no audio jack HAHA (copying apple eh?)
If they don't put something like dual camera wide angle, front facing autofocus 2/4k camera and super mega large battery, then they can keep that thing;
still here in europe they don't sell pixel 1, so no one will give a **** about pixel 2
sad to say, but samsung is doing a really great job with their S8/+ phones
EasyDeath said:
sad to say, but samsung is doing a really great job with their S8/+ phones
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They are selling well. They've always had an issue with 3rd party audio apps streaming Bluetooth with the track data to other devices though - For me at least. Audio volume and quality is something I dislike with Samsung too. And for the s8 and s8+,I hate bixby and that stupid dedicated button. I don't have the need to talk to a virtual assistant. /rant
I'd go with Pixel XL 2. It it will always be running latest OS. However if you care about camera and audio then V30 is the way to go. For me the pixel xl had a great camera and Pixel XL 2 will excell that. Nothing to worry about. I love the design of the V30 however long term use the Pixel XL 2 is a definitely better option. I'm currently using the XZ Premium which I'm very happy with coming from Samsung. My next phone would be pixel though. Also you might want to wait for the Mate 10 which would be another beast.
I'm sort of torn between Pixel XL2 and LG V30. If you want dev support, Pixel all the way. There is no way to know in which circumstances the V30 will get an unlockable bootloader.
Coming from a Xperia Z2 and later a Xperia Z5, I have a bitter taste in my mouth. If you unlocked your bootloader, you'd delete your TA partitions (which enabled Sony's propriatery camera functions). So despite selling amazing camera hardware to many phone companies, and supposedly using the best on their own phones, you'd get a ****ty camera performance when you had a rooted phone.
LG makes me quite cautious on this matter. Yes we have a 1.6" aperture which will let in more light in dark conditions, but we have a smaller sensor as well. Instead of hardware developments we see a lot of software -gimmicks or features- however you'd want to name them. If i lose any of those features/gimmicks on an open bootloader on a custom rom, or a different camera app I'd be furious. I don't want a locked down and forced software covering bad quality (like Samsung's over saturation of everything, not that they have bad hardware) Pre-release software V30's don't always seem to be doing fantastic on image processing (and sometimes they're amazing) and even though they are pre-release specimens I'd hate to have another gamble with this.
Pixel on the other hand, seems like it'll have a huge sensor. That'll be hard to **** up with software (even though it was Pixels amazing camera firmware that gave it those amazing shots). Honestly, I don't care about a second camera on my phone. I want a proper main camera and thats it. IF and only IF my phone is going to have two cameras, I'd like to have them in "Wide>Monochrome>telephoto" order. IF i have to. That is why I'm going with the V30 and not the Note8 (that, and the 6" sweet spot on the small bezel screens. Anything below 6" seems to narrow, and anything above 6" seems too big and a waste of battery considering the smaller batteries they come with because of the smaller body)
I love the Quad DAC, and I love the headphone jack, but I'd rather have a stereo speaker setup. I often find myself connecting to my car bluetooth or a bluetooth speaker if I'm on a camp or something. Hell I'll just keep a pair of wireless headphones on me. Which is why I don't lament the loss of a replacable battery. I have tons of rechargeable items on me at any time now. So I'd rahter just carry a powerbank and charge anything, instead of replace the battery on my phone.
Wireless charging is one of those things where you don't know how much you needed them until you have them. So I'd like that as well.
I can go forever on this. (I feel like I already have)
So to sum it up:
Dev support: Pixel
Multimedia consumption/creation: V30 (unless the camera ****s up massively)
For me it'll be V30 most likely, for the DAC and jack (and then design). One of the unlocked ones, so that hopefully I can root and get rid of whatever bloat it comes with and restore it to the closest stock experience possible. I'm not too hopeful on custom ROMs though as I think the DAC won't be supported for some time (will it ever? not sure the V20 ROMs ever got it?).
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There is no way to know in which circumstances the V30 will get an unlockable bootloader.
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Yes there is. The U.S. and European "carrier unlocked" LG V30 versions will be eligible for bootloader unlock, just like with LG G6, V20, LG V10, LG G5, LG G4, etc.
Go look at this pattern:
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
And stay away from carrier stores. T-Mobile proved with the LG G6 and Samsung models this year they are no longer dev friendly.
But I do agree with your other comments about no stereo speakers. LG missed an opportunity.
I also agree about Qi wireless charging. I won't buy a phone without it.
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Yes there is. The U.S. and European "carrier unlocked" LG V30 versions will be eligible for bootloader unlock, just like with LG G6, V20, LG V10, LG G5, LG G4, etc.
Go look at this pattern:
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
And stay away from carrier stores. T-Mobile proved with the LG G6 and Samsung models this year they are no longer dev friendly.
But I do agree with your other comments about no stereo speakers. LG missed an opportunity.
I also agree about Qi wireless charging. I won't buy a phone without it.
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I did read your original post regarding this, and makes a lot of sense.
What I meant to say was that we don't know if we'll lose any functionality by unlocking the bootloader and installing a custom rom. I say this because of my history with the Xperia Z series. I know LG didn't do something like this before, but there was a lot of software focus on the presentation. Some of it might be tied down to LG's original rom.
The lack of stereo speakers in such an audio-centric device bother me a lot honestly. I mean there is already a speaker placed up there for calls. Just make it a little higher in quality. Sure it won't be boomsound unless they spend more money on it and lose profits, but we'd atleast be able to understand where a certain sound is coming from. A ton of songs use stereo effects, let alone videos.
And as a last point, we don't have carrier-branded phones where I live so I'm safe on that regard. But like you said, if we had them, I wouldn't touch them with a ten feet pole.
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There is no way to know in which circumstances the V30 will get an unlockable bootloader.
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ChazzMatt said:
Yes there is. The U.S. and European "carrier unlocked" LG V30 versions will be eligible for bootloader unlock, just like with LG G6, V20, LG V10, LG G5, LG G4, etc.
Go look at this pattern:
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
And stay away from carrier stores. T-Mobile proved with the LG G6 and Samsung models this year they are no longer dev friendly.
But I do agree with your other comments about no stereo speakers. LG missed an opportunity.
I also agree about Qi wireless charging. I won't buy a phone without it.
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I did read your original post regarding this, and makes a lot of sense.
What I meant to say was that we don't know if we'll lose any functionality by unlocking the bootloader and installing a custom rom. I say this because of my history with the Xperia Z series. I know LG didn't do something like this before, but there was a lot of software focus on the presentation. Some of it might be tied down to LG's original rom.
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Ah, I mis-read your post then. "There is no way to know in which circumstances the V30 will get an unlockable bootloader", I thought you meant which situations LG would allow it. You meant what complications would come with that.
You are correct. Last year, the ZTE Axon 7 -- the one with the award-winning quad DAC and excellent front-facing speakers (cough, LG should have done that) -- made a decision to have a user-unlocked bootloader. BUT ZTE kept their quad DAC code under lock and seal. It was proprietary. So, while users could root the phone, with CM/Lineage custom ROM, there were lots of audio issues for months. Audio was badly distorted. Finally CM/LOS dev and others got that distortion under control, but I'm still not sure they are able to let custom ROMs use the quad DAC the way the stock firmware does. (I stopped keeping track about six months ago.)
As a result, many users stuck with stock firmware for best experience. Yes, it could still be rooted, and yes there's Gravity Box you can use with stock firmware so you can use the quad DAC functionality. And yes the ZTE Axon 7 still had the exact same 5.5" AMOLED 1444p display the Pixel XL had. But you lost all that great audio functionality if you installed custom ROM. (At least for several months, I don't know the current situation.)
So, you are right. There's tons of magic in this LG V30 (audio and camera), but depending on if LG lets devs have access to that, it's possible custom ROM experience would suffer.
Feels like the whole Nexus 5 vs LG G2 saga all over again.
I had both and while the Nexus 5 was way smoother than the G2, the G2 was by far the better phone as they cut way too many corners on the Nexus 5. :crying:
Will be interesting to see how this one pans out.
Personally, I'd go for the V30. Don't buy this whole, "Courage," crap and bet the battery in the Pixel 2 wont be as good as the V30. Thinking about USB type C, if only they'd designed the port to be round.
Pixel Vs LG V30
Google pixel's features are good and used those feature and its awesome.
Pixel for photography. V30 has the worst camera of all 2017 flagships.
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Pixel for photography. V30 has the worst camera of all 2017 flagships.
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All the reviews say the LG V30 camera is among the best. One example:
LG V30 hands on – a mobile photography powerhouse
www.androidauthority.com/lg-v30-review-797089
Another one:
Camera Shootout: Galaxy Note 8 Vs. Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 Vs. LG V30
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin...-8-vs-xiaomi-mi-mix-2-vs-lg-v30/#73e4b9b85764
You're just trying to start an argument?
Plus, you don't even know what the Pixel 2017 will have. Yes, it will probably have a very good camera ALSO.