Greetings all,
The Honor 5x is the first phone i have been able to use custom rom's on.
I wanted to know how to approach updates for these devices.
Basically, i want to know:
Do i still receive basic android security patches (Not necessarily the Huawei ones)?
What do i need to do to keep my device up to date with these patches?
Is there a way that I can update/switch roms without loosing my data or installed apps?
I am not technically un-savvy. This is just my first real time with android that i can play with.
Previous experience has been locked down verizon devices.
Any tips or info is helpful.
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I probably should have been more clear on my original post. Apologies for the confusion:
-- I have already unlocked the device through the Huawei official method using their site
-- I have TWRP, and understand how to backup my current ROM, or flash a new one (Currently running the stock de-bloated By clsA)
-- I have NOT tried to flash a different ROM over an existing one (if this is a thing?), instead they have all been full wipe-and-install.
-- Cyanogenmod wasn't my thing. EMUI with Nova launcher looks better to me, and lag hasn't been an issue since i turned off most of the animations.
-- I do have a working SD card, and have the Tasker app backup my latest TWRP zip from my SD card to my home-server when i get to my home wifi. (Double backup locations covered.)
Currently, what i'm trying to learn is if there is a way to flash a new ROM, but keep my apps installed so that i don't have to re-install them every time. (I'm thinking similar to a Linux /Home directory?)
As a day job I am a Cisco CCNA, but that doesn't really qualify me to be knowledgeable in android. However, I'm pretty used to technical stuff, and don't mind using the ADB interface (still learning), as it's reasonably similar to what i already know.
You need a PC to keep your backups- custom ROM backups can be restored using TWRP, stock rom backups need stock recovery.
Only stock ROM gets security updates via OTA that require an unmodified stock rom. Meaning no root and no TWRP.
There's a lot of information on this site- read up some and we will be here for help.
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Arobase40 said:
If this is your first Android smartphone why do you need to play with custom ROM ???
If you do care about official updates just stay on stock, take time to be accustomed with it and with all potential apps as there are so many things to discover and it may take some months to deal with.
Maybe later, much later if you're really unsatisfied with it you could then probably change for another ROM, but for now just use it as it...
You can also play with all the Play Store apps which won't modify you device internally but which could bring nice effects such as a new launcher, themes, wallpaper, keyboards, etc...
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It is not his first Android device. Verizon seems to lock their device so costumers won't be able to flash ROMs, sadly.
Dead_Dude said:
You need a PC to keep your backups- custom ROM backups can be restored using TWRP, stock rom backups need stock recovery.
Only stock ROM gets security updates via OTA that require an unmodified stock rom. Meaning no root and no TWRP.
There's a lot of information on this site- read up some and we will be here for help.
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Thanks for clearing up the OTA update.
I already keep backups on my PC, but after starting to use TWRP to mess about i don't want to go back to stock.
Arobase40 said:
If this is your first Android smartphone why do you need to play with custom ROM ???
If you do care about official updates just stay on stock, take time to be accustomed with it and with all potential apps as there are so many things to discover and it may take some months to deal with.
Maybe later, much later if you're really unsatisfied with it you could then probably change for another ROM, but for now just use it as it...
You can also play with all the Play Store apps which won't modify you device internally but which could bring nice effects such as a new launcher, themes, wallpaper, keyboards, etc...
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Not my first android phone, but the first one that was unlockable and can use custom roms.
As i am not familiar with custom roms as much as i am with stock android, i am not sure how this changes how i should handle my device security.
Should i be substituting these OTA updates i am used to with manual ones? does missing them put me at risk?
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It is not his first Android device. Verizon seems to lock their device so costumers won't be able to flash ROMs, sadly.
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They do. Bootloader lock, and not able to install custom recovery. Also, sideloading is super complicated. Bricking the phone is super easy too, so you can't even poke around much...
Thanks for the great post!
I realize that I should have probably put more info in my initial post, so i've made some additions.
I'm still learning about the ADB interface, and how the whole flashing process works. (I can do it, but don't totally understand what's going on when I do)
Here's what I added, just for reference sake.
I probably should have been more clear on my original post. Apologies for the confusion:
-- I have already unlocked the device through the Huawei official method using their site
-- I have TWRP, and understand how to backup my current ROM, or flash a new one (Currently running the stock de-bloated By clsA)
-- I have NOT tried to flash a different ROM over an existing one (if this is a thing?), instead they have all been full wipe-and-install.
-- Cyanogenmod wasn't my thing. EMUI with Nova launcher looks better to me, and lag hasn't been an issue since i turned off most of the animations.
-- I do have a working SD card, and have the Tasker app backup my latest TWRP zip from my SD card to my home-server when i get to my home wifi. (Double backup locations covered.)
Currently, what i'm trying to learn is if there is a way to flash a new ROM, but keep my apps installed so that i don't have to re-install them every time. (I'm thinking similar to a Linux /Home directory?)
As a day job I am a Cisco CCNA, but that doesn't really qualify me to be knowledgeable in android. However, I'm pretty used to technical stuff, and don't mind using the ADB interface (still learning), as it's reasonably similar to what i already know.
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itsbentheboy said:
Thanks for the great post!
I realize that I should have probably put more info in my initial post, so i've made some additions.
I'm still learning about the ADB interface, and how the whole flashing process works. (I can do it, but don't totally understand what's going on when I do)
Here's what I added, just for reference sake.
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Here's the bottom line
if your phone is on say lollipop 5.1.1 and you want to flash a rom 5.1.1 it's not necessary to wipe / factory reset your phone
if your phone is android 6 and you wish to return to lollipop 5.1.1 you need to totally wipe the phone (clean start) then return to 5.1.1
same if your on 5.1.1 and moving up to android 6 a clean start is the best.
If your flashing from android 6 (cm13) to another android 6 (Bliss rom) no wipe is needed (it's called Dirty flash)
If you want to play with custom ROMs
1. Stick to apps that have cloud saves.
Flashing ROMs in the safest way requires wiping the entire device. Dirty flashing can cause completely unpredictable results.
2. Get yourself a huge SD card. Maybe a spare to hold a backup stock image in the DLOAD folder. You won't always have a PC available to bring your phone back from a bad ROM.
3. Stick to the cloud as much as possible. But for the app or two you can't use the cloud with, get a good backup app. This device has a decent enough app on stock, but the app you use must run on all the ROMs you use Also remember, a lot of backups won't restore on m from l or vice versa.
4. Stick to the cloud. I've lost GTA game saves and worse by relying on an app to backup stuff properly. Manually copying files is much more reliable but slow.
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And there's the two sides.
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Fair warning: I've never rooted a phone before. I've dabbled in ADB with my nook color, but am far from comfortable with it. I installed Honeycomb on the nook color, then decided to just go simple with autonooter.
Now, I'm thinking of rooting my new Thunderbolt. Mostly because I'd like to get rid of all of the bloatware and try to get all of the performance out of my phone as I can get. After having the Droid1 for a couple of years, I do not want to see my phone get laggy like my D1 did.
So here come the beginner questions: once I root the phone, I know I need to get ROM Manager and Titanium Backup. Those apps will let me be able to get back all of my data and preferences, etc once I switch ROMs right?
What else will I need after rooting? Is it a simple process to flash a new ROM?
Can anyone suggest a (mostly) stock ROM that just gets rid of the bloatware and gives the phones performance a boost?
Also, does a rooted phone require a lot of maintenance? For instance, will I have to be updating ROMS often? Also, if an OTA comes out for non-rooted phones, do these updates get worked into the ROMs quickly? I dont want to be without a necessary update, ya know?
Last question: Once I root my phone, should I just cancel the insurance on the phone? Or does "voiding the warranty" only mean that VZW wont fix it for free?
Thanks!
First off, I highly recommend following this rooting method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616 and not using the easy root method. If you have any problems at all, you can log into http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=951190 and get some help. I also highly recommend reading up a bit on ADB, what it is and how it works http://www.xda-developers.com/android/adb-easy-tutorial/
Then...once you get rooted use ROM Manager to flash the clockworkmod recovery. In ROM Manager there's a little fix that everyone's been doing: open ROM Manager, menu>clear download cache, then settings>erase recovery. Then do your backup before you do anything else like flashing another ROM. Use Titanium to backup all your apps. I recommend the paid versions of both since you will be using them a lot.
Added: What I usually do the first time: Root, backup rom, install debloated rom, set everything up like I want it and then backup again. Each time I flash a new ROM, I create a backup of it all set up and with the name so that I can easily switch back and forth. I like change
The basic debloat rom is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000103
It's easy to flash a new ROM, just download the one you want, put it on your sdcard and then use ROM Manager to 'install from sdcard'
You are going to be flashing ROMs left and right because they come out so fast. Each time an update is out, it'll be put into a ROM and released for all of us here so that you stay current. Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
I would not recommend getting rid of your insurance, it is different than the warranty and you can get your phone replaced if it's ever damaged. I've used it 3 times now all on rooted phones. It indeed will void the warranty.
Happy rooting!
^ +1. I did use the easy root method and had no problems with it but it is truly still hit or miss. I am sure it will get better as more developers start pushing new stuff out.
Good luck
Thanks for the reply!
Why dont you recommend using the easy root method that I've been reading so much about? I realize it has some faults, but I'm planning on waiting until an updated version comes out. I'm a bit afraid to brick my phone while trying to root the phone myself.
Also, after rooting, how can i do a backup of my apps? Doesnt rooting wipe all of the data on my phone?
Learning ADB would be helpful...I must admit, I am an easy root junkie. I just don't have the time to learn ADB. Maybe someday that will change.
Rooting will wipe your phone and I use Titanium Backup to back up my apps. It does make it a lot easier once you start flashing ROMs on a daily basis
Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
-Gilgamesh- said:
Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Thanks! After watching a video of someone rooting, I think I will be able to do the non-easy method.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
Zalyia38 said:
This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
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Thanks.
So to answer my previous question: When rooting, I'm still going to lose all of my current information including apps, sms, etc. However, its good to backup my phone before installing the debloated rom.
Is that correct?
Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
CorporateGoth said:
Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
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Even better call it the Original Root Method........
pman555 said:
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
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you don't open the files. The exploit one is the one you unpackage to your tools directory. The other you will put on your sdcard when told too. you can join #root and get help if you want.
as far as apps, the market 'should' reload all your apps when you wipe data just give it time. Then use titanium to back them all up.
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
Capt.D said:
Even better call it the Original Root Method........
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I like that one
jawonder said:
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
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ADB is learning what you are doing to your phone instead of letting a program do it for you. Copy/paste is just so there are no typos if you don't feel as comfortable typing it all out. I recommend reading up on ADB so that you have a bit of knowledge of what you are doing.
do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
Irish Whiskey said:
do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
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Titanium backup only works after you're rooted.
You can use a program like Mybackup Pro to backup stuff like sms mms, etc.
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As a first time rooter myself, I ended up doing the original root process. The well written instructions helped me not to feel paranoid and I breezed through the steps. While, I was confident in rooting the phone because of the instructions, I don't feel so confident post root because I don't know how to do many of the elements like flash roms, kernels, apply mods, etc. So my question is, are there any guides for flashing new roms and the steps taken before and after? For instance, let's say I wanted to flash adrynalyne's no bloat rom, and his mod package, how do I go about doing it? Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Zalyia38 said:
Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
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If I root and remove bloatware manually, will OTA updates occur automatically, or do I have the option of blocking them. Would they re-install all of the bloatware I removed?
My Thunderbolt received an OTA update last week and keeps rebooting. I have ClockworkMod Recovery so the Install fails. I cleared the Cache with CWM and restarted the phone like it suggests in other posts elsewhere. I get a failed update message, I cancel out of it and reboot the phone. I also used Titanium Backup to Freeze "Update" and "Updater", but the phone keeps self booting into the OTA update every day . I searched for an update.zip and cannot find one on the SD card.
Can anyone suggest how to stop the phone from updating/rebooting everyday? I cannot seems to find the answer anywhere.
Thanks and I wish everyone a safe holiday!
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Just to confirm, are you rooted but on the stock rom? If so, you should be able to find some threads to go on from searching, but here are a couple where people got the update install while rooted:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1330325
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1324682
Sorry I forgot to mention it
Yes, I'm rooted, I'll check out the links.
more than likely you wont have an update.zip but rather an RUU. Remove the RUU from the SD card and see how that works. If I was having this problem I would do a full wipe on the phone backup my full SD card contents and format the SD card and flash a custom rom with CWM. I never understand what the point of rooting is if you are not going to flash a custom rom. Are you afraid? Worried about bricking? I just don't get it. Put the new MIUI on it. You will be pleased.
I installed Liquid ROM 3.1 and it's working like a charm. I was concerned about the 3G/4G compatability problems that most custom ROMS seem to have.
Using Titanium Backup Pro I backed up all my apps then restored them after installing Liquid ROM and re-setup the desktop and all is well.
bigd5783 said:
I never understand what the point of rooting is if you are not going to flash a custom rom.
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Really? The ability to fix things like security holes, use ad filters, make complete, easily restorable backups, install a certificate for a private CA, or just have fairly complete control over hardware you've purchased isn't enough?
mike.s said:
Really? The ability to fix things like security holes, use ad filters, make complete, easily restorable backups, install a certificate for a private CA, or just have fairly complete control over hardware you've purchased isn't enough?
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I was actually broken hearted that I was compelled in install a custom rom to avoid the problems the op has described. Everything "works" in standard rom. When you go custom you get lots of fun new features but you always lose something..... Could be vzw vvm or nfl live or fast gps lock or photo effects in gallery but it seems there is always someting you lose.
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I was actually broken hearted that I was compelled in install a custom rom to avoid the problems the op has described. Everything "works" in standard rom. When you go custom you get lots of fun new features but you always lose something..... Could be vzw vvm or nfl live or fast gps lock or photo effects in gallery but it seems there is always someting you lose.
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really,cause everything you mentioned has work on soab from the get go.
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Is it possible to root the Fascinate without deleting data, or at least a temporary root?
Chase716 said:
Is it possible to root the Fascinate without deleting data, or at least a temporary root?
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Absolutely. You'd have to search/dig through older posts, but the general idea is this:
> Get a recovery .zip file that will install Superuser and put it onto the SDCARD
> Flash a custom recovery (typically ClockworkMod) using ODIN
> Reboot into recovery and install the .zip file
Basically for the Fascinate, all you really need to do is get the proper version of the Superuser application and it's corresponding su binary installed. The Samsung ODIN tool allows you to replace the stock recovery with a custom one, and that custom recovery will allow you to install Superuser/root the device. This only modifies the SYSTEM volume and does not affect any of your data at all. It's obviously more complicated, but essentially behaves as if you could just root by installing something from the Google Play Store.
There should be a TON of resources/threads out here and on other sites with how to actually accomplish this and provide the necessary files for the Fascinate, but as long as you pick a process that generally has the steps listed above, your data *should* be 100% safe.
... so get Googling and root that thing! lol :victory:
djp952 said:
Absolutely. You'd have to search/dig through older posts, but the general idea is this:
> Get a recovery .zip file that will install Superuser and put it onto the SDCARD
> Flash a custom recovery (typically ClockworkMod) using ODIN
> Reboot into recovery and install the .zip file
Basically for the Fascinate, all you really need to do is get the proper version of the Superuser application and it's corresponding su binary installed. The Samsung ODIN tool allows you to replace the stock recovery with a custom one, and that custom recovery will allow you to install Superuser/root the device. This only modifies the SYSTEM volume and does not affect any of your data at all. It's obviously more complicated, but essentially behaves as if you could just root by installing something from the Google Play Store.
There should be a TON of resources/threads out here and on other sites with how to actually accomplish this and provide the necessary files for the Fascinate, but as long as you pick a process that generally has the steps listed above, your data *should* be 100% safe.
... so get Googling and root that thing! lol :victory:
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Well the only thing is, that I'm not supposed to root it, and I only want a temporary root to remove bloatware. Superoneclick's shell root didn't work, and neither did z4root.
Chase716 said:
Well the only thing is, that I'm not supposed to root it, and I only want a temporary root to remove bloatware. Superoneclick's shell root didn't work, and neither did z4root.
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Well if you get more interested I suggest you try a 4.2.2 ROM you won't be disappointed
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Well if you get more interested I suggest you try a 4.2.2 ROM you won't be disappointed
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Well that does sound really nice, especially since i enjoyed CyanogenMod on my Incredible 2, but I can not flash any ROMs, I cannot completely root, and I cannot even flash a new recovery. And if I did flash a ROM, I think it would have to be manually activated since it does not have a SIM Card, leading him to find out I rooted. I just want a temp root to remove the bloatware I do not use.
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Well that does sound really nice, especially since i enjoyed CyanogenMod on my Incredible 2, but I can not flash any ROMs, I cannot completely root, and I cannot even flash a new recovery. And if I did flash a ROM, I think it would have to be manually activated since it does not have a SIM Card, leading him to find out I rooted. I just want a temp root to remove the bloatware I do not use.
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I don't think there are any temp-root solutions out there for the Gingerbread Fascinate, as the community was well beyond using exploits by that time Could be wrong, but I looked around and didn't really find anything. It might be worth looking around for a generic Linux 2.6.35-based exploit that somebody has compiled for the ARM processor.
Question ... what would prevent you from temporarily flashing a custom recovery to make the edits you want? If you don't change anything else, it would be overwritten with the stock recovery on the next boot, thus covering your tracks (and we can get the stock recovery back on there for ya if for some reason it doesn't). Many (most?) recoveries will allow ADB access when active, so you can mount system and do what you need to do without actually rooting the stock ROM.
Also, don't worry too much about the CDMA activation status, unless you check a certain box in the Samsung ODIN tool there is almost no way to screw that information up doing what you're looking to do. The CDMA keys are stored in a super double secret location that you ordinarily can't get to. The option is called "EFS Clear", don't go anywhere near it.
If you do find a solution that fits your needs, I also recommend you have a plan to restore the SYSTEM volume back to stock in case you make a mistake, like deleting a critical file. We can help with that as well if you are ultimately willing to use the ODIN tool. I just want to make sure you're prepared for that possibility as it sounds like if you temporarily break this device you'll be in big trouble
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If you do find a solution that fits your needs, I also recommend you have a plan to restore the SYSTEM volume back to stock in case you make a mistake, like deleting a critical file. We can help with that as well if you are ultimately willing to use the ODIN tool. I just want to make sure you're prepared for that possibility as it sounds like if you temporarily break this device you'll be in big trouble
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Yeah, but two more things: first, can someone give me a very detailed tutorial on ODIN for my device, and could someone also give me the files i may need in order to delete the bloatware, no flashing, no data wipes or anything like that? Because the bloatware is what I think slows my phone down. And what if something does not go right?
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You should be able to unroot via SuperOneClick after you've fully rooted and debloated the thing. Whoever's keeping an eye on that Fassy hopefully won't notice!
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Yeah, but two more things: first, can someone give me a very detailed tutorial on ODIN for my device, and could someone also give me the files i may need in order to delete the bloatware, no flashing, no data wipes or anything like that? Because the bloatware is what I think slows my phone down. And what if something does not go right?
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Does the person you're hiding this from even know the difference between what GB and JB looks like? What's to say if you have an AOSP or CM-based JB rom that they'd even know it's not stock?
Anyway, if you buy Nova Launcher prime I know you can hide apps from your drawer, so if you wanted to say hide TiBu or Superuser you could do that and throw someone off if they're just taking a quick look at your app drawer. Nova doesn't work on GB though I think, so you might have to look for a different launcher to do that if you want to stay on stock.
For a detailed guide on pretty much anything related to rooting/flashing just check droidstyle's guide here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1238070
For freezing or removing bloat I highly recommend buying Titanium Backup, but there are some free apps that will do that sorta stuff. Titanium will give you way more options down the road though...
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Anyway, if you buy Nova Launcher prime I know you can hide apps from your drawer, so if you wanted to say hide TiBu or Superuser you could do that and throw someone off if they're just taking a quick look at your app drawer. Nova doesn't work on GB though I think, so you might have to look for a different launcher to do that if you want to stay on stock.
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I believe he does, since when I rooted my Incredible 2 he noticed it was completely different and not HTC Sense skinned, and I'd explained to him the Android operating system. And I use ADW EX as my default launcher, only because I can't use the TwLauncher due to lag issues. So I've hidden my bloat apps, but things still stay open in the background.
This might be a long shot, but have you ever tried to explain to him that rooting is actually more secure than having an unrooted phone? Try to get him to understand that with a rooted device you can actually make FULL backups of your device in case anything goes wrong, unlike the half-assed backups that non-rooted devices have to use. Also, rooted devices allow you to install the latest (secure) versions of android unlike non-rooted which force you to wait for updates that may never come.
Anyway, if that fails, I would recommend to root and freeze/remove with Titanium
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This might be a long shot, but have you ever tried to explain to him that rooting is actually more secure than having an unrooted phone? Try to get him to understand that with a rooted device you can actually make FULL backups of your device in case anything goes wrong, unlike the half-assed backups that non-rooted devices have to use. Also, rooted devices allow you to install the latest (secure) versions of android unlike non-rooted which force you to wait for updates that may never come.
Anyway, if that fails, I would recommend to root and freeze/remove with Titanium
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I wish. He won't listen, and he'll just say that it's bad, I don't need to root my phone,and that I'll break it, like my old one ( NOT MY FAULT!). That is why I wanted to do it secretly, temporarily, or something like that. I know it's good, and that there are risks. So is there any way I can root (no flashing) and keep it hidden? Also, I went into the bootloader, and saw an option that said update.zip. Would that be useful, to maybe flash the EH09 Fascinate rom?
UPDATE: Thanks for the help everyone, but I'm most likely going to ditch the Fascinate for a Galaxy SIII. So maybe sometime I'll find the time to experiment with ROMS on my Fascinate sometime.
Flashed My wife and I's OG's with CM 10.2. She was coming from stock 4.0.1 I was coming from 4.1.2
My has no problems. Hers wouldnt connect to wifi even though it could pick up the signals.
Last night her Kernel crashed. I figured maybe I didnt fully wipe her files clean so I rebooted her into recovery and did a factory wipe,
cleaning Dalvik, etc. and reinstalled.
Still no wifi connectivity.
Is this a driver, antennae, modem issue? Please help, I've run out of ideas.
Did you flash the correct radio?
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Hmmmmm
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Did you flash the correct radio?
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I just used the one that came with CM.
Do you think since she was coming from 4.01 and I from 4.1.2 that I had the correct radio already that's why I have no issues?
And she still is running the 4.01 radio which is incompatible with android 4.3 which is what CM is running?
brionbey said:
I just used the one that came with CM.
Do you think since she was coming from 4.01 and I from 4.2 that I had the correct radio already that's why I have no issues?
And she still is running the 4.01 radio which is incompatible with android 4.3 which is what CM is running?
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Roms for the OG don't contain modems, your wife's phone would still have ICS modem. If you had the ota to 4.1 on your phone it will have jb modem.
brionbey said:
I just used the one that came with CM.
Do you think since she was coming from 4.01 and I from 4.2 that I had the correct radio already that's why I have no issues?
And she still is running the 4.01 radio which is incompatible with android 4.3 which is what CM is running?
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Yes, given that you avoided bricking your phone not having the rpm/tz partitions from the ota update, she would also have the ics modem, which hopefully is the only thing wrong, and is an easy fix.
matter of fact I'm not aware of anyone trying the ics modem on 4.3, or using 4.3 without the updated partitions
Still, (as a purely personal preference) I would restore the backup from before you flashed her to CM 10.2, then call up AT&T and make them push the OTA update, then backup again and reflash CWM.
-edit- this is of course, if you are on AT&T
also, you can probably make a nandroid of CM 10.2, restore to stock, get the OTA, and restore CM 10.2 and you wouldn't lose anything, since it only restores kernel,system,data,cache, etc it would be unaffected by the OTA.
technically this remains true for the LGNPST/teenybin route, but i haven't used lgnpst, i prefer forcing at&t to provide the OTA update since if it bricks then, they owe you a phone
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Yes, given that you avoided bricking your phone not having the rpm/tz partitions from the ota update, she would also have the ics modem, which hopefully is the only thing wrong, and is an easy fix.
matter of fact I'm not aware of anyone trying the ics modem on 4.3, or using 4.3 without the updated partitions
Still, (as a purely personal preference) I would restore the backup from before you flashed her to CM 10.2, then call up AT&T and make them push the OTA update, then backup again and reflash CWM.
-edit- this is of course, if you are on AT&T
also, you can probably make a nandroid of CM 10.2, restore to stock, get the OTA, and restore CM 10.2 and you wouldn't lose anything, since it only restores kernel,system,data,cache, etc it would be unaffected by the OTA.
technically this remains true for the LGNPST/teenybin route, but i haven't used lgnpst, i prefer forcing at&t to provide the OTA update since if it bricks then, they owe you a phone
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Just like to pass on a little info I learned recently, both Shellnutt2's cm10.2 and dvhexer's "alternate" cm10.2 use an e975 kernel.and can be flashed to phones without updating partitions.
adfurgerson said:
Just like to pass on a little info I learned recently, both Shellnutt2's cm10.2 and dvhexer's "alternate" cm10.2 use an e975 kernel.and can be flashed to phones without updating partitions.
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Yeah I considered that, still terrifying to me though, but it would explain still having the ics modem.
How does this sound?
[r.]GimP said:
Yeah I considered that, still terrifying to me though, but it would explain still having the ics modem.
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Ok, Just got back from work.
Today, Device crashed twice. Once a kernel error, once something about watchdog.
The kernel crash occurred when using the CM 10.4 camera. The same thing happened to my wifes device.
What I'd like to do it flash the Stock Rom Back with Stock modems to both phones.
Unfortunately, my backup didnt take because of lack of space or something, so I need to find the stock 4.1.2 rom.
I need action steps if possible.
I'm assuming I need:
4.1.2 Stock Rom for my device.w/ google apps
4.0.1 Stock for my wifes's./w google apps
I'm also assuming that I'd follow the same steps:
factory reset, flash the rom + apps reboot.
I'm using TWRP
If all that goes well I'd attempt to have at&t push the update to my wife's phone ( would I need to reset her bootloader?)
Then Reflash CM 10.2 with appropriate modems, and google apps.
Please catch any errors in this logic. Also Links to stock Rom's would be appreciated.
If anyone has any suggestions to a better custom rom then CM 10.2 I'm open to suggestions. I have not found it to be as stable as I would of liked...
FYI to make things worse, now my pc won't recognize that my device is attached.... trying not to panic.
brionbey said:
Ok, Just got back from work.
Today, Device crashed twice. Once a kernel error, once something about watchdog.
The kernel crash occurred when using the CM 10.4 camera. The same thing happened to my wifes device.
What I'd like to do it flash the Stock Rom Back with Stock modems to both phones.
Unfortunately, my backup didnt take because of lack of space or something, so I need to find the stock 4.1.2 rom.
I need action steps if possible.
I'm assuming I need:
4.1.2 Stock Rom for my device.w/ google apps
4.0.1 Stock for my wifes's./w google apps
I'm also assuming that I'd follow the same steps:
factory reset, flash the rom + apps reboot.
I'm using TWRP
If all that goes well I'd attempt to have at&t push the update to my wife's phone ( would I need to reset her bootloader?)
Then Reflash CM 10.2 with appropriate modems, and google apps.
Please catch any errors in this logic. Also Links to stock Rom's would be appreciated.
If anyone has any suggestions to a better custom rom then CM 10.2 I'm open to suggestions. I have not found it to be as stable as I would of liked...
FYI to make things worse, now my pc won't recognize that my device is attached.... trying not to panic.
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Don't panic, you can always load onto the SD card externally, with a microsd to SD adapter or through TWRP/CWM with "mount usb storage" mode. Failing both of those things I'm fairly certain one of your two phones will be enough to load the SD card for the other phone if needed.
I'm thinking everything you need is going to be the LGNPST route now anyway, and that being said you may as well just flash them both to stock 4.1.2 in that case. First things first, you definitely want to backup before anything gets out of hand, if twrp isn't getting it then pull with adb. Quick breakdown of that below.
The universal drivers straight off the LG site work just fine, but in my experience to get the adb part happy you need to click on your devices, and find your phone, whether it says LG/Nexus4/MTP, doesn't matter. Open it and click on the hardware tab, it should list 3 devices.
unknown (or adb if you're lucky)
Your phone
USB Composite Device
If the top isnt some variation with ADB in the name, double click it, then change settings, it may say drivers not loaded, so on the driver tab we're going to give it one.
Update driver, and it will ask how, the option on the bottom is "browse my comp for driver software" and after that the bottom option again is "let me pick from a list..." I think then it shows a split list, the device type should be ADB something, and if you installed the LG universal drivers then near the bottom you will have "LGE Mobile Sooner Single ADB Interface" windows will complain because it couldn't figure out that its the right driver, confirm you want to use it and it will then show "this device is working properly" go ahead and close all those windows and it will update on the first one with the three devices listed the next time you open it.
At this point you need the adb application itself, I usually just download the whole android SDK personally, but where you get it from doesn't matter. If you're booted in android, make sure adb has root access in developer settings, and debugging is enabled.
open a command promt, for the sake of easy navigate to the folder where you put adb, in windows, or in the SDK example, /android/sdk/platform-tools/ hold shift and right-click on an empty space and select "open command window here"
If android is running, type "adb root" without quotes
and adb will inform you its restarting, if in twrp you will already be root.
Type "adb devices" and as long as its not blank you should be good
again, for the sake of easy "adb backup -shared -all"
and let it do its thing, it should start creating a default file named "backup.ab" it's bound to take awhile as -shared should grab all the sd card contents just to be safe.
Disaster recovery aside, I would use a combination of Titanium backup root, and "backup your mobile" - especially add the second option in addition to titanium, thats one of the only free backup apps that can get MMS as well as SMS, and restore them.
Again, if you're having issue with the computer normally seeing the device, these are still good tools, save to external sd card, remove card and transfer manually to your computer.
ok.. now that all your stuff is *hopefully* now redundantly backed up, depending on the stock image you find, you can either push it via fastboot commands or flash with lgnpst. I know the images are in our forum, most likely in the lgnpst thread. just follow through that and read well ahead before performing each step, you'll be ok.
I believe fastboot can relock your bootloader in all off one command, i don't have the answer if its necessary or not to receive the OTA, but having skimmed the lgnpst thread in the past, I'm positive people have done the flash and then had the OTA pushed from AT&T so they could get up to 4.1.2 for the official JB and partitions. Like I said in the beginning, your call if you want to skip that and just lgnpst to 4.1.2 since you're there anyway. Also, keep an eye out for one of the recent restore to stock / RPM/TZ partition threads, I think shellnutt making a cwm/twrp flashable zip to do the same thing lgnpst teeny bin would without even needing lgnpst.
So, barring a complete hardware failure, dont be scared. Get your data for now, then on to the next step.
Best xda technical support post I have seen in a long time. Thanks, gimp.
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DeathmonkeyGTX said:
Best xda technical support post I have seen in a long time. Thanks, gimp.
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Agreed.
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I agree also! feels great to have some help with this. attempting fixes I'll report back.
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I got stuck on the adb driver part. Through searching I found the backup I made for her. Can I restore her backup. Flash the jellybean rom to it, creating the neccessary. Partitions in the process, along with the correct radio, and then reflash Cm? My main concern is getting her wifi up. She's racked up 6gigs in 2 days herself! Were on the 4.gig shared plan. Or possibly just flash the radio...
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brionbey said:
I got stuck on the adb driver part. Through searching I found the backup I made for her. Can I restore her backup. Flash the jellybean rom to it, creating the neccessary. Partitions in the process, along with the correct radio, and then reflash Cm? My main concern is getting her wifi up. She's racked up 6gigs in 2 days herself! Were on the 4.gig shared plan. Or possibly just flash the radio...
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yes that sounds fine, in that case I would just make the apps and messages backups with titanium/backup your mobile
I'm not 100% if the lgnpst flash to JB wipes user data or not, but after that you can flash pretty much ANY rom for our device, then just download titanium/backup your mobile from the app store and point it to the directories on the sd card, and restore selectively.
For the most part you can move everything from /sdcard to /external_sd and move it back over when you're done, I think the JB radio (or modem, both terms apply) works very well for everything I've used (and yes they play a significant part in wifi and gps also), and I was a pretty hardcore flash-a-holic for a really good while, still haven't tried the hybrid modems and people rave about how well they work. Sounds like a good plan you got going, once you're up with the partitions and the JB modem from 4.1.2 you really should have no issues, and once you have that freedom, and she will as well to try out all manner of ROM's, you'll find you get really good at backup/restore out of necessity. Happy flashing.
If you need any specifics, aside from the step by steps of the other threads I'm glad to lend advice, just let me know
-edit- you can make multiple backups with each program by the way, titanium and backup your mobile.
Titanium free says only one backup per app, but in reality just hit the batch button on the top right, looks like a check mark, have it get all apps and system settings, then just move the whole folder you set for titanium off of the device for safe keeping. This way you can backup everything running right now, then if you want to restore the other one, you could even do it again, if you just wanted to cherry pick some stuff, then flash, etc. Titanium free wont let you make multiple copies of the same app, but it also WONT delete extras if you already have them, so if you dump a few titanium folders into eachother and merge them, you can then choose any of the backup files or data or both from each date.
The reason I use both programs is as I said earlier, backup your mobile handles SMS/MMS very efficiently, and occasionally I'll let it grab a few user apps, and system apps, because when it restores them, it restores for example, flash player from LG stock rom, as a user app, and it continues to work flawlessly. Titanium can't get over it being a system app, and sucks at restoring flash.
However, titanium is GREAT for also saving user data, not just the program itself. ie.. savegame states for any app you have that doesnt explicitly sync online, or the login data for facebook, or adfree with the most current hosts so you dont have to redownload or even type your logins, very convenient.
My personal order of operations before I flash a new rom, or even upgrade to a new version with a clean flash instead of a "dirty" is to fully backup all apps/system data with titanium, then hit ByM for contacts/sms/mms/bookmarks/user dictionary/apps
then a nandroid backup, since it is basically a perfect snapshot itself, just like turning the phone off, and back on.
after rom flash / gapps, I boot, setup google real quick, goto app store and cancel the 5 million downloads, except for titanium/ByM
after those download I roll my messages/user dictionary/contacts/ selective apps I know i'll use, and the same with a few from titanium.
This way I'm less bloated with crap I probably don't use everyday, and if i need it, its a few taps away. It's a very painless process and a lot of peace of mind having everything safe, and allows you to try alot of unstable crap knowing how easy you can always roll your CWM/TWRP backup over to the device like you never left.
Sorry, I'm a fan of ranting. Pics for adb driver steps explained in previous post, and the backup part, for reference if you ever need them.
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Ok, I'm keepin cool but it seems to be one thing after another
I made the backup before the original flash.
I see it in the folder. When I restored it, it is the same rom that I'm on CM 10.2
I'm not sure how that happened.
Thanks for the images, that really helped unstuck me.
Question: I've checked the threads looking for the stock [ROM] 4.1.2 and Gapps for E970 and can't find them anywhere.
At this point I just need a doOver. I have to get my wife her phone back, ASAP and if I brick by some chance, I'll never hear the end of it.
EVER.
Or how about just flashing the radio? Can I do that to at least get her Wifi?
Here is the flashable jellybean radio by g33k3r.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2220048
I recommend still updating her to the jellybean partition layout when you get a chance, but this should get you working WiFi at the very least.
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Flash the Radio
Thanks SnowLeopard.
So all I need to do is just boot into recovery using TWRP and Install the radio, or should I factor reset and install the radio at the same time as the rom?
Thanks Again Guys. (or gals)
Lgnpst doesn't touch the /data partition.
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the modem work great.
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At gimp, followed instructions exactly, computer recognize device, only thing left to do is run teeny bit, but getting error path not found
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first off- how do i remove that warning on boot about bootloader?
2- whats the best backup method, im interested in custom roms- but restoring of apps and setting would make me more interested to switch around and test a few
3- any reccommended custom roms?
4- what are the best apps for root, first time ive really decided to dive in, when i had my M8, I wasnt mature and didnt get most the jargon. I breezed through this root.
5- anyway to avoid IAP?
esenfur said:
first off- how do i remove that warning on boot about bootloader?
2- whats the best backup method, im interested in custom roms- but restoring of apps and setting would make me more interested to switch around and test a few
3- any reccommended custom roms?
4- what are the best apps for root, first time ive really decided to dive in, when i had my M8, I wasnt mature and didnt get most the jargon. I breezed through this root.
5- anyway to avoid IAP?
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1. You can't, unless you re-lock the bootloader. But you won't have root and custom backup.
2. Twrp and for apps titanium nackup.
3. Look the root threads there's starting to build up
4. Adaway, titanium backup, xposed, etc. Search top root apps there's many.
5. Google play> setting> require purchase> click never.
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esenfur said:
first off- how do i remove that warning on boot about bootloader?
2- whats the best backup method, im interested in custom roms- but restoring of apps and setting would make me more interested to switch around and test a few
3- any reccommended custom roms?
4- what are the best apps for root, first time ive really decided to dive in, when i had my M8, I wasnt mature and didnt get most the jargon. I breezed through this root.
5- anyway to avoid IAP?
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To add to what previous poster said, if you're looking to try different roms to see which is better I highly recommend using dual boot. Using this you can keep stock as primary and set up multiple custom Roms to test out. Make sure you check out the dual boot thread in the development section for g5. As for recommended custom rom, I personally recommend using resurrection remix by gwoulf (and just be careful there are 2 different RR Roms, actually 3 if you count the one based on Android 6) as it is very stable (based on cm 14.1) and has tons of customizations. I agree using titanium backup to back up all apps and app data. I do not recommend backing up system data, only user apps. Also buying donation package is worth it as it allows you to automate the app installs when restoring. Best thing to do is read through the different threads in development section on here.