This is not intended to be mean to the ap team but i am posting this because i feel they should of been honest to us from the beginning and just said we can't release yet. My reasons for feeling this way are listed below
1. About 1 month after pk3 dual was released, pawel and the rest of the team changed their signature to rom: top secret and it had been like that even after hdubli posted a ported copy of wm6.1.... why did'nt pawel post a wm6.1 rom when he changed rom to top secret?
2. the team keeps saying stuff like we have a BT bug or screen problems and i realize that there are some updates on the ati driver and stuff but the BT stack that is on the wm6.1 that hdubli released works great. i can use a BT mouse and a BT keyboard, and BT headphone all at the same time and it works great. I can provide a vid if there are doubts
3. Most is importantly even BoyGeniusReport says http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/28/htcs-manilla-gets-screenshotted/ this rom is from the x7510. something i said on the "Athena Project 4.0 coming, but needs...." post 228 but pawel denied this is post 229
in conclusion everyone should stop looking for the release of this rom and start looking for the release of the x7510 cause then and only then will this rom be released. I am only posting this so people can have a realistic outlook on the rom and can stop being dissapointed everyday in the hope it will be released. I did not post this to come down on the team i just feel like there is so much tension on this fourm and i wanted to make my thoughts known.
High Five
Hypothetically speaking...
... Even if this were the case, why would you want him to release pre-release software that could get him in trouble or again, hypothetically, his *source* in trouble? People get fired for leaking stuff, sometimes worse. Personally, I don't need to know where this stuff comes from.
How about we let him work on things and hey, at least there's a better chance that he'll be able to bring us more HTC gems for a possible v5.0.
ok dude the rom is a 7510 rom but no way do i have to wait for it to be released. there still isn't a solid release date. the rom i could give u right now but it needs to properly be tested and bugs be fixed. we release with bugs, u guys complain, we look bad. i can take complaining before the rom then praises when it comes out.
also we have had 6.1 for a while. something like november i got the first athena 6.1 rom with build 19145 if im not mistaken. we have had 6.1 even before that though.
toastedlogic said:
... Even if this were the case, why would you want him to release pre-release software that could get him in trouble or again, hypothetically, his *source* in trouble? People get fired for leaking stuff, sometimes worse. Personally, I don't need to know where this stuff comes from.
How about we let him work on things and hey, at least there's a better chance that he'll be able to bring us more HTC gems for a possible v5.0.
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1st i never said once that he should release it. what is said was he should tell us he cant release it. i don't remember anywhere in my post and any post for that matter where i said "you should release it right now even if it will get you into trouble or even if its not ready"
On a side note - i also live in orlando, fl and goto ucf do you play halo?
Go Knights!
irus said:
1st i never said once that he should release it. what is said was he should tell us he cant release it. i don't remember anywhere in my post and any post for that matter where i said "you should release it right now even if it will get you into trouble or even if its not ready"
On a side note - i also live in orlando, fl and goto ucf do you play halo?
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No kidding - I'm planning on getting back to school this fall myself. Live right around the corner from the Uni. No Halo, since my box was red-lighting again just before my damn cat knocked a cup of water over onto the PSU for it. So i've got a little bit of work to get my box working again... oh yeah and I was banned from Live just before all that too (modded firmware), so yeah I did play halo. Meh
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also we have had 6.1 for a while. something like november i got the first athena 6.1 rom with build 19145 if im not mistaken. we have had 6.1 even before that though.
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but that is my main point for saying that you can't release it yet. you had wm6.1 since november but released a cooked wm6 rom in late november. Don't get me wrong i am grateful for everything you have done and the only point i am trying to make is that you have to wait to release. I have logical points for these thoughts. example: in "Stop the stupid ap 4.0" post 36 - you told someone you have 2 newer builds than 9.5 build 405 but you can't release it.
Look im not trying to get into a pissing match with you, and nothing productive will come out of us arguing back and forth. So if you say it's still buggy and you need more time to test than its buggy and needs more time to test. i will not say another word about it.
High Five
PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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i totally agree with you..... and also im pity of those who donated
tomary said:
i totally agree with you..... and also im pity of those who donated
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oooouch, i think that might be a little harsh. You forget they have already posted 3 roms so i think the people who have donated got their moneys worth
My first thought for the team is if you WANT to release, then there's nothing wrong with realeasing a beta--paid software makers do it all the time. Here is a beta with known bugs. Da-ta-da-tada. There's likely unknown bugs too--user beware. That's why its beta. Heck, while its not as optimal,some companies (cough, cough, microsoft,) can release betas as the real deal.
For free (please donations accepted look at the value) roms/software, the bar shouldn't be higher than that of the commercial stuff.
It's funny how this just suddenly went down hill with all the slandering etc etc... I appreciate the time EVERYONE on the AP Team took to make what was (and most of us if not ALL enjoyed it) and what is to be. I personally donated as a sign of gratitude and saying thank you, heck I would've donated if they had even asked for some sort of donation just to teach how they did it instead of releasing a new ROM. Some of you guys are just down right ungreatful and quickly forget all the hard work and time they Team puts in to stand behind their wonderful ROMS. And lets not forget the tons of apps they cook in the ROMS too. So what's the big deal if people want to donate I did it and I'll be doing it again in the near future.
If the team DOES NOT want to release. That is the team's perogative also. This seeming to hang forever on the edge of release is a little nerve wracking and is hard on the fan base,but so what? If we, the fan base, donate less--really--donations are piddly anyway. The team needs to do what they do for the fun of it and the satisfaction of it.
I think it's about time this ROM was released, bugs'n all. Just release as a Beta.
irus said:
but that is my main point for saying that you can't release it yet. you had wm6.1 since november but released a cooked wm6 rom in late november. Don't get me wrong i am grateful for everything you have done and the only point i am trying to make is that you have to wait to release. I have logical points for these thoughts. example: in "Stop the stupid ap 4.0" post 36 - you told someone you have 2 newer builds than 9.5 build 405 but you can't release it.
Look im not trying to get into a pissing match with you, and nothing productive will come out of us arguing back and forth. So if you say it's still buggy and you need more time to test than its buggy and needs more time to test. i will not say another word about it.
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thanx just dont like people saying i cant release this until the 7510 is out. i released snapvue before the shift was out and that was ok. i'll also release this new rom before the 7510 is out. i'll also be able to provide details when the 7510 is out and about what the price should be.
sergiopi said:
PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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thats why if i cant get it to my liking by friday it will be released as a beta. the 19181 build was just to unstable. it got un usable after a while. u really wanted me to release that? we tried to make it better and got it to about 80% of what it should be but then decided to go for the new 19202 because we got the ok for that. by friday there will be a rom. if all goes well before that u might have a non beta build.
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i totally agree with you..... and also im pity of those who donated
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you are really getting out of hand. u donate if u like. i provided 4 roms to everyone already. people wanted a vanilla so im making a vanilla. i guess u can't make everyone happy.
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thats why if i cant get it to my liking by friday it will be released as a beta. the 19181 build was just to unstable. it got un usable after a while. u really wanted me to release that? we tried to make it better and got it to about 80% of what it should be but then decided to go for the new 19202 because we got the ok for that. by friday there will be a rom. if all goes well before that u might have a non beta build.
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If you don't mind I don't like getting my hopes up (again). So I'll put it on my calendar for Friday. I'm not hoping for it to be released before that (or maybe I am but trying not to). Dare I say it...? You're not going to disappoint us are you?
And please note. I greatly appreciate your hard work. That’s why I donated! But checking every day to find out that it’s not released it getting a bit tedious . Considering it has been hanging close to being released for quite some time now.
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it will be 100% out on friday. whether in beta form or final form. it'll most likely be afternoon local time because thats when i'll have time to release. i would like a tuesday release though because would be very funny... dont u agree??
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it will be 100% out on friday. whether in beta form or final form. it'll most likely be afternoon local time because thats when i'll have time to release. i would like a tuesday release though because would be very funny... dont u agree??
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A few questions (if you don't mind, if you do just don't answer ):
Will the beta be usable? (maybe good to know for less experienced people);
What's your timezone?
NB: no not funny at all, as I said: I'm not getting my hopes up again.
After spending a huge amount of time trying to get a working android to boot on the athena I am thinking that maybe if enough people are interested in donating we can get some devs interested in helping us.
Initially I would like to get android 2.0 to work, my thinking is to firstly get people to commit to donate to getting android to boot.
The other option is to get enough together to buy a 2nd hand athena to donate to a dev to work on.
Please post here if you wish to donate to the project and how much you are willing to pledge.
Devs: PM me for details of the relevant git etc if you are interested in this.
Donation list:
Avengerpenguin £20
UniversalCitizen £20
Definitely!
Hey I just made another donation - as drewid - and I am excited that you are talking about this and working on it. Thank you!
I saw your twitter post a little while back and was wondering if you had finally got a working build tested after losing your adapter? I am so psyched for Android but I know it will be a while still.
I am going back to the drawing board this evening to test more WM ROMS since my current one and the last 4 before it have not seemed stable. I feel like I am nearing the end of my patience for Windows Mobile at this point, but I like the device. I have to get it stable and with enough features to keep on using it.
If you don't mind me asking, do you still like WM? If you had to recommend a best ROM to use on my 7501 which one would YOU recommend? I just want reasonable speed and good web browsing, stability. I can add SPB Mobile shell again for pizazz since I bought it a while back but it doesn't always seem stable on recent ROMS.
Thank you again for working so hard on this and all your ROMS work! I wish I knew development so I could help out more.
-=Drew / UniversalCitizen
UniversalCitizen said:
Hey I just made another donation - as drewid - and I am excited that you are talking about this and working on it. Thank you!
I saw your twitter post a little while back and was wondering if you had finally got a working build tested after losing your adapter? I am so psyched for Android but I know it will be a while still.
I am going back to the drawing board this evening to test more WM ROMS since my current one and the last 4 before it have not seemed stable. I feel like I am nearing the end of my patience for Windows Mobile at this point, but I like the device. I have to get it stable and with enough features to keep on using it.
If you don't mind me asking, do you still like WM? If you had to recommend a best ROM to use on my 7501 which one would YOU recommend? I just want reasonable speed and good web browsing, stability. I can add SPB Mobile shell again for pizazz since I bought it a while back but it doesn't always seem stable on recent ROMS.
Thank you again for working so hard on this and all your ROMS work! I wish I knew development so I could help out more.
-=Drew / UniversalCitizen
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Ive got a new adaptor and feel that I am getting close to compiling a working 2.6.31 kernel for the athena, but am trying to learn linux at the same time, making my progress slow.
Yes I still like windows mobile, its just that with lennie now cooking as well I decided to spend my time trying to get android to work after running on my blackstone. My thinking for me as my athena is a second device that with android I could almost have the equivilent of a dell/archos android tablet without any outlay.
To be honest I havent flashed any new roms to my athena for a while and am still using my last release.
Hopefully there will be plenty of time to help once we get to a working build and there will be a lot of testing etc to do
Just donated to the cause
Hello Avengerpenguin,
Just made a donation from an email address beginning with 'wide' and ending with '.com' would of made it sooner but was waiting for payday.
Lets hope we can get a working version sometime soon or I might have to go crazy and get the HTC Desire when it arrives. (if it's not got the same issues as it's Nexus sibling that is)
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Hello Avengerpenguin,
Just made a donation from an email address beginning with 'wide' and ending with '.com' would of made it sooner but was waiting for payday.
Lets hope we can get a working version sometime soon or I might have to go crazy and get the HTC Desire when it arrives. (if it's not got the same issues as it's Nexus sibling that is)
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Many thanks for the donation, I have had confirmation of the donation and will keep it in the kitty for the android dev, I like you really hope for a working android either by my doing or from someone else, unfortunately work has dictated that my android work in on the back burner for probably another week or so, but will get back to it as soon as I can
I will probably get a htc desire in april when released on orange to use for work, looks like a great device.
I am willing to test!
If you need a tester, I would like to do so.
I have an X7510 which I only use for music, and that even only in imergency if my MP3 playe is out of power!
Hey Guys,
I am going to get start on making a Rom for this thing and just would like to know if any could help with test of the rom or Kernel development. But mainly Testing.
You must have a good understanding on flashing and use of the device..
Please no "NOOBs" no offense but at this staging i'm not look to tell someone every single thing to do but I dont mind helping you understand what you don't know.
If you would like to help me get this out to everyone send me an email at [email protected] or pm me.
Thanks for every that responded to my request.. I Have some testers now and well have something out soon hopefully if all goes well..
Thank you
ACS Prime...... sweet
Ill test when needed..... Love your work........ E4GT user here
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ACS Prime...... sweet
Ill test when needed..... Love your work........ E4GT user here
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Thanks man just waiting on the official build of ICS to update that leak is horrible I barely get 5 hours out of my battery
and send an email because ill forget to check here
I still use SyndicateRom Frozen on my Epic 4G. Best ROM I've ever used, can't wait to see what you guys come up with for the Prime!
I would test depending on what exactly the rom is gonna be. If it is just themed/tweaked a bit i'll have to pass. If it is actual development i would JUMP at the chance to help you out! I have owned over 20 android devices so experience is not a problem.
Im in I have beta tested on the original Transformer and several other android phones, would love to help as I dont know how to program and would like to give back to the community!!!!!
I'm in for testing, I have a flashing addiction, and am always looking for the latest and greatest.
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I would test depending on what exactly the rom is gonna be. If it is just themed/tweaked a bit i'll have to pass. If it is actual development i would JUMP at the chance to help you out! I have owned over 20 android devices so experience is not a problem.
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not sure what you mean but if your taking about an AOSP then no... just tweaks and mods.. i dont have to set up at work for that
Guys,
I will like to start a donations thread with the purpose of buying a HTC One Max(international version) for @chrisch1974. You can check the current rom thread here.
For the US guys, i am sure that with the device in hand he can try to do something for you too, but again that's not a promise.
For those who are not very familiar with his work please check out his profile/ open threads and the Virtuous Team website.
As you can see his work is nothing short then remarkable and i for one i am very happy that he is interested in developing for this device.
We tried and succeeded to make a rom, as you can see in the thread a high quality one with no discovered issues. It's very hard to continue with this and blind deving so i would like to try to get a device for him.
If we succeed here's what you need to know :
- this doesn't mean that @chrisch1974 will support this device to life
- this doesn't mean that the developer will port all new android/sense versions for it
- this doesn't mean that there will be daily updates
- you can imagine the rest as there are common sense things, you can see this as a token of appreciations for his work.
Here's how things will work:
- if you are interested, and please post only in this situation, write a post with the amount you are willing to pledge
- when we will reach the amount needed which is 730 USD i will put the PayPal account in the first post.
- at that moment i will ask everyone that pledged to keep his word and send the money.
- after that i am sure things will go smoother .
I will update this thread daily with the current pledgers and the amount that is currently uncovered.
27.02 - Due to exaggerated slackness from my part i've didn't update the thread till now, the current status is the following :
Me - 25 USD
Orb - 10 USD
Scieups - 30 USD
SO we need another 665 USD.
Sure
Hello,
it's a great rom and i can give 30 usd.
i will be very happy if someone can find a solution for s-off on hboot 2.47 asap
thanks
regards
Francesco
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Guys,
I will like to start a donations thread with the purpose of buying a HTC One Max(international version) for @chrisch1974. You can check the current rom thread here.
For the US guys, i am sure that with the device in hand he can try to do something for you too, but again that's not a promise.
For those who are not very familiar with his work please check out his profile/ open threads and the Virtuous Team website.
As you can see his work is nothing short then remarkable and i for one i am very happy that he is interested in developing for this device.
We tried and succeeded to make a rom, as you can see in the thread a high quality one with no discovered issues. It's very hard to continue with this and blind deving so i would like to try to get a device for him.
If we succeed here's what you need to know :
- this doesn't mean that @chrisch1974 will support this device to life
- this doesn't mean that the developer will port all new android/sense versions for it
- this doesn't mean that there will be daily updates
- you can imagine the rest as there are common sense things, you can see this as a token of appreciations for his work.
Here's how things will work:
- if you are interested, and please post only in this situation, write a post with the amount you are willing to pledge
- when we will reach the amount needed which is 600 Euro(1 Euro = 1.35 USD) i will put the PayPal account in the first post.
- at that moment i will ask everyone that pledged to keep his word and send the money.
- after that i am sure things will go smoother .
I will update this thread daily with the current pledgers and the amount that is currently uncovered.
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Thanks a lot Andrei for all your efforts. As my main tester you know that it's not always easy to push the development when you have/must wait for the other one. I really appreciate what you're doing for improving the rom. At the moment it seems that the user base for the One Max is still very low. I hope this will improve in the future
Help wanted:
Over the last few weeks we have been working feverishly at trying to make the switch from lollipop to Marshmallow. In addition, we have been trying to switch source from CM to Aosp. This has been a daunting task. We are working with a limited staff and are finding it to be a bit overwhelming. So why am I telling you this? Well frankly we have seen some great community builds of non supported devices being posted from all over the world. There are some talented folks porting our rom. Perhaps some of those folks may be willing to use their talents to help our cause? In the forums, we have seen some talented helpful users contributing to make OctOs better. Must be able and willing to develop and build for any/all devices we support. Don't worry about not having the device, we have plenty of awesome testers that will attempt to break whatever you throw at them lol. Also you must have your own build environment and stable internet. Serious inquiries only and please email us at [email protected].
Hey guys, we're looking for a jflteatt tester for 6.0MM . If anyone is interested email us at [email protected]. I'll get back to you asap as I'll be working today, or I'll have one of our devs respond if I can't. Serious inquiries only, must be willing to test builds as we post them & know how to restore your device & use hangouts. (Very rare you'll need to restore) but its a must you know how. We won't release or continue to build jflteatt w/o at least 1 tester. 2 would great. Thanks again. Team OctOS ?