is it advisable to use Greenify (Donate) + Amplify (Donate) + Powernap all together? Please reply... i'm very confused
NoyNoying said:
is it advisable to use Greenify (Donate) + Amplify (Donate) + Powernap all together? Please reply... i'm very confused
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I don't think that anyone will certify that it is advisable or not advisable. But the fact remains that if properly set up, the three can and are working satisfactorily for many people. The keyword here is setup.
thank you for replying.... I'm just a newbie with Amplify and Powernap
Amplify or Powrrnsp is pretty useless if you get Greenify, unless you need to freeze some special system services
pr1jker said:
Amplify or Powrrnsp is pretty useless if you get Greenify, unless you need to freeze some special system services
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Amplify can limit specific wakelocks/alarms which Greenify can not do. So each one has its own functionality. When used in conjunction with proper setup, they can give you amazing battery life.
For freezing, none of the three would work.
So whats the correct setup with these three?
Ubimo said:
So whats the correct setup with these three?
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The correct setup is one in which your phone works as desired by you without any hiccups.
In other words, there is no universal setup applicable to all. It depends on the phone, model, ROM, apps installed, expected behaviour of apps etc (way too many).
However there is a guide, underline the word guide, which will help you to set these apps up as per your requirements. Beyond that it is a trial and error process.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/guide-extreme-battery-life-t3095884
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is it advisable to use Greenify (Donate) + Amplify (Donate) + Powernap all together? Please reply... i'm very confused
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They all do 3 different things, so yes they indeed all help.
They're all used in this extreme battery guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/guide-extreme-battery-life-t3095884
Greenify completely limits background services which help keeping the device smooth and save battery (besides, you can enable GCM push for some apps).
Amplify delay alarms and wakelocks on things you can't really Greenify without something will go wrong, like Google Play Service or apps that you rely on, but not so often as the developer want, like mine check for location once every hour, for Facebook Messages every 2 min and so on.
PowerNap is for the perfect deep sleep. Whitelist what you rely on and the rest will get blocked and can only run when your screen is unlocked (etc game notifications. I don't want them greenified, as I want them, neither apmlified, as i don't want them when screen is off).
If you got more questions, feel free to ask.
But as said, what is working and stable for me, might be a big loss of functionality for other people.
So you should make all 3 apps work to exactly your desire and you won't feel that you're limiting your phones features.
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Amplify or Powrrnsp is pretty useless if you get Greenify, unless you need to freeze some special system services
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Amplify and powernap is pretty useless??
or U don't have any idea.
I haven't used it recently but I had great battery with amplify less so with powernap. But it might have been updated since I last tried it.
Im not a satisfied user of Amplify as well, tried a lot of options, the ones described on this forum as well, I have a different phone now but the same error "Unfortunately, Google apps has stopped working". Cant find which wakelock/alarm/service has this affect on it (any ideas?) and its popping up a lot so I rather uninstall it.
zbysogi said:
Im not a satisfied user of Amplify as well, tried a lot of options, the ones described on this forum as well, I have a different phone now but the same error "Unfortunately, Google apps has stopped working". Cant find which wakelock/alarm/service has this affect on it (any ideas?) and its popping up a lot so I rather uninstall it.
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Unlimit "icing". It is not Amplify's fault. Limiting icing was working well till the first week of May. Then Google updated Play Services and all hell broke loose.
From my point of view only Greenify is needed. I used to use that combination for an year and battery life is now better with only Greenify. I also ditched Xposed and amplify. I couldn't believe it myself but battery life is better for me without amplify. During the night my phone consumes 0,2% battery and that's super good.
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This is the best setup)
No greenify no amplify no power nap
I mever noticed any improvement using amplify or greenify
Just let your phone do it s thing you will be surprised :d
Greenify and amplify were good on 4.4 and maybe 5.1...marshmallow it s best at standby
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Yes you heard it right ,i have tested this on two phones with xposed install
i have tested this for 5 days
greenify makes eats up your battery so fast and actuall battery wont gets swollen so easily
test it yourself i have tested many times and found greenify the culprit
i dont know how actually works the way it hibernates but after uninstalling you can see significant change in your battery
thanks
Maybe a problem of your setup.
Jasi2169 said:
Yes you heard it right ,i have tested this on two phones with xposed install
i have tested this for 5 days
greenify makes eats up your battery so fast and actuall battery wont gets swollen so easily
test it yourself i have tested many times and found greenify the culprit
i dont know how actually works the way it hibernates but after uninstalling you can see significant change in your battery
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When this has happened to me (and it has) I found that greenify and another app were in a war, greenify was forcibly trying to hibernate the app and the app kept forcibly waking up from hibernation causing greenify to hibernate it again (repeat until battery is dead).
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When this has happened to me (and it has) I found that greenify and another app were in a war, greenify was forcibly trying to hibernate the app and the app kept forcibly waking up from hibernation causing greenify to hibernate it again (repeat until battery is dead).
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yes and my battery never last for 12 hours with greenify but without greenify it last over 24hours thn i put it for charging
Jasi2169 said:
yes and my battery never last for 12 hours with greenify but without greenify it last over 24hours thn i put it for charging
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However, the solution was simple, just do not greenify the app causing the war. Then the apps that were greenified would play nice and the other apps are free to go about there business. I do not believe greenify was intended to have all of your apps in the list. Just ugly nasty battery draining, refusing to quit ones like facebook (which I do not even have installed).
u knw i dnt have bloat installd lyk fb messngr or so,i have only wwhtsapp to talk to my gf n frnds nd just sme apps but without greenify im happy cus i dnt have battery prblm then why use greenify no need
if u put battery code in ur build.prop to monitor u will c greenify keeps eatng battery
Unlucky for you. I notice much better battery stats WITH Greenify running. Always have.
Totally noob bs. Must be other problem. Recently tried few days both devices without Greenify. Battery drains so much more and faster. Also unmodded LP Preview on Art on my N7-13 tiny bit more battery life than KK on Dalvik unmodded. However KK modded with X-modules (Greenify extra, Amplify, etc) hours extra battery life.
Verstuurd vanaf mijn Nexus 7 (2013), iPad Mini 2 of Moto G Lte
i think since i have install greenify my battery is draning faster
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Totally noob bs. Must be other problem. Recently tried few days both devices without Greenify. Battery drains so much more and faster. Also unmodded LP Preview on Art on my N7-13 tiny bit more battery life than KK on Dalvik unmodded. However KK modded with X-modules (Greenify extra, Amplify, etc) hours extra battery life.
Verstuurd vanaf mijn Nexus 7 (2013), iPad Mini 2 of Moto G Lte
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im just saying abt my experience i have edited and build.prop and put the battery codes in it for its logs and what i found i told ,,no bs i have pretty well knowledge abt these stuff brother
i dnt knw it work for other people or not but in my case definitely no even with donated version
if its work for then u lucky
... So much self ego unchecked. Let's not all be modest...
It did after update
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However, the solution was simple, just do not greenify the app causing the war. Then the apps that were greenified would play nice and the other apps are free to go about there business. I do not believe greenify was intended to have all of your apps in the list. Just ugly nasty battery draining, refusing to quit ones like facebook (which I do not even have installed).
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how do i find which app is "causing the war?"
War Detection...
skiier54 said:
how do i find which app is "causing the war?"
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In my case a set of apps had been updated around the time my battery drain had started. I removed the apps that had been updated and seemed to always be awake from the hibernation list and added them back one at a time (per day in my case) and found that a version of Microsoft's OneDrive was refusing to hibernate properly. Once I removed it from the list my problem went away. Another clue for me was the fact that the problematic version of OneDrive was showing up in the battery usage screen for android when it was greenified when it had never been there before...
A later version of onedrive has fixed the problem and last I tried you could now hibernate that app again...
Another approach is to unhibernate everything and add the apps back to the list one at a time observing the behavior.
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In my case a set of apps had been updated around the time my battery drain had started. I removed the apps that had been updated and seemed to always be awake from the hibernation list and added them back one at a time (per day in my case) and found that a version of Microsoft's OneDrive was refusing to hibernate properly. Once I removed it from the list my problem went away. Another clue for me was the fact that the problematic version of OneDrive was showing up in the battery usage screen for android when it was greenified when it had never been there before...
A later version of onedrive has fixed the problem and last I tried you could now hibernate that app again...
Another approach is to unhibernate everything and add the apps back to the list one at a time observing the behavior.
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hm okay that makes sense. one of my apps (peel smart remote) always seemed to be un-hibernated even though i never opened it so i disabled it. lets see what happens
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how do i find which app is "causing the war?"
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A way to find out is to lock your device, let it with the screen off for like 5 minutes, unlock it and open Greenify. See if there is any app that's not hibernated. Those that aren't you must remove them from the list to be hibernated.
muiriddin said:
...ones like facebook (which I do not even have installed).
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I'd like to be able to use the Facebook app, but, wouldn't dream of installing it w/o Greenify.
Android should have built in the default setting that any apps you install do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING unless you actually HAVE THEM OPEN. Checking for updates, giving you notifications, etc. should all come off by default and only go on when a user chooses to specifically turn them on!
So i have my tmobile edge for a couple of days now and im not really impressed with the battery life so i installed greenify however its not showing me all the bloatware that came preinstalled, anyone else having these issues?
peste19 said:
So i have my tmobile edge for a couple of days now and im not really impressed with the battery life so i installed greenify however its not showing me all the bloatware that came preinstalled, anyone else having these issues?
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Do you have experimental mode enabled? I think you need the donation pack as well as root to greenify system apps.
didnt know about that, i tried going to experimental features and you are right donation package is needed however it says xposed is needed also, is xposed compatible with s6 edge? afraid of installing stuff to brick my device. I was trying to avoid rooting it for now since i see alot of people are bricking their devices, waiting for a fix.
Has anyone noticed some improvements using greenify with s6?
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didnt know about that, i tried going to experimental features and you are right donation package is needed however it says xposed is needed also, is xposed compatible with s6 edge? afraid of installing stuff to brick my device. I was trying to avoid rooting it for now since i see alot of people are bricking their devices, waiting for a fix.
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You don't need Xposed to greenify system apps. There are some other features in the experimental section that it enables, but you don't need them. (And you are right that xposed is not compatible with the edge).
However, if you are not rooted the System freezing doesn't work very well in my experience. It freezes them but they often start running again on their own. Thus you wind up with it trying to close them all down each time you turn off the phone. You might be better off disabling what apps you can manually instead.
Overall I didn't find Greenify to be great when not rooted - sometimes it gets stuck pressing the keys to force close the apps. The best way I found was to use tasker to trigger the hibernation when the phone has been idle for ~10minutes, but it was still a bit iffy.
It will probably be good enough to get you by for now if you think you will root later, but I am not sure I would bother if you probably won't ever root.
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You don't need Xposed to greenify system apps. There are some other features in the experimental section that it enables, but you don't need them. (And you are right that xposed is not compatible with the edge).
However, if you are not rooted the System freezing doesn't work very well in my experience. It freezes them but they often start running again on their own. Thus you wind up with it trying to close them all down each time you turn off the phone. You might be better off disabling what apps you can manually instead.
Overall I didn't find Greenify to be great when not rooted - sometimes it gets stuck pressing the keys to force close the apps. The best way I found was to use tasker to trigger the hibernation when the phone has been idle for ~10minutes, but it was still a bit iffy.
It will probably be good enough to get you by for now if you think you will root later, but I am not sure I would bother if you probably won't ever root.
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how did you use tasker to enable the hibernation? i am a bit new at this
peste19 said:
how did you use tasker to enable the hibernation? i am a bit new at this
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I just had a look but unfortunately I don't have the profile anymore to export it for you.
Doing it from scratch would be a bit daunting if you have never used Tasker before.
You basically need to:
1. Set a variable for the display state (ie, on, off and unlocked). %DisplayState
2. Have a task for the screen unlock which sets a variable %NeedToGreenify or similar.
3. Have a task for the when screen off event triggers and %NeedToGreenify is set. This task waits 10 minutes. Then check if the screen is still off - this is what %DisplayState is for (Stop if it is not). Clear %NeedToGreenify. Trigger Hibernate (Greenify is a 3rd Party Plugin). Wait 30 seconds. Turn the screen off "SecureSettings - LockDevice".
I think I may have also used SecureSettings to keep the screen on while the process is running. You will also need to set the task options to "abort existing task" if it is already running.
I think this is how it worked, but it was a while ago :/
On my Mate 9 (running Oreo 8.0, no root) I installed Greenify, but Greenify displays that e.g. Opera is greenified, but in an Android task manager (Android Assistant app) it shows it is still eating CPU. The same applies to e.g. Brave browser which has 'no background' according to Greenify.
Does Greenift really hibernate apps ?
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On my Mate 9 (running Oreo 8.0, no root) I installed Greenify, but Greenify displays that e.g. Opera is greenified, but in an Android task manager (Android Assistant app) it shows it is still eating CPU. The same applies to e.g. Brave browser which has 'no background' according to Greenify.
Does Greenift really hibernate apps ?
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Of course it does. The size/activity in this forum plus frequent mentions in respected publications over many years should offer some clues to its integrity. Whether it is working on your device is a different matter.
Greenify does best on rooted devices as unharnessed ROMs can both undo actions and/or misrepresent status. It's quite possible an app placed in hibernation was later woken via internal trigger that Greenify can not suppress on an unrooted device. In the case of Opera (my preferred browser) there is regular syncing of tabs and downloading of *cough* 'news' if you have those features enabled.
I also question info coming out of the "Android Assistant" app. On my device it claimed all apps had zero CPU...including itself. Also did not display system partitions correctly nor properly detect the sensor suite. Granted I only spent a few minutes poking around. Maybe some switches needed to be thrown.
Finally, you probably don't need Greenify on Oreo as Doze does a find job with power management.
planetera said:
Don't I really need Greenify on oreo? Is Doze on Oreo really that good? Can you confirm please? I've been always using Greenify but if I don't need it on Oreo, I'll remove it
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Well don't take my word for it. Simply remove all apps from Greenify's hibernation list (hopefully there are not many there), observe device behavior over the next few days then make your own decision.
planetera said:
Well, thanks for information. Just made a quick research and everyone says Greenify is trash on Oreo. So I just uninstalled it. Thanks for heads up. Glad I've seen your comment
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Trash? Err-no. I have it installed on every one of my devices for valid reasons. Needed for generic power management on Doze capable ROMs? Probably not (and as such serving no purpose). Enjoy your device.
planetera said:
ok, but, when Greenify hibernates an app, you don't get notificaton froms this app, but when Android itself hibernates the app, you still get notifications, how does these two compare?
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It varies by app, developer approach and user settings. Many apps will experience delayed notifications with Doze while other punch right through. Greenify can be configured to permit notifications but only if the app utilizes GCM (Firebase). Aggressive doze, light hibernation, Xposed framework availability and several other variables contribute to notification behavior. If your head is spinning it should! End users should not need to know the contents of the underwear drawer. Best practice is to simply let Android do its thing without 3rd party tools unless one understands their behavior and application. At one time such tools were needed to achieve acceptable app/device performance and battery life. Not so today. Is such a simplistic solution 'optimal' form an enthusiasts point-of-view? Probably not. It is acceptable/reasonable from an end-user perspective? In most cases 'yes' yielding a good balance of performance and battery life with minimal interaction for those who simply want to enjoy their device vs. manage it. Good luck with whatever direction you choose.
Agree one hundred percent!
Greenify on Oreo is an appendage that is best left out in my opinion, since for most, Oreo itself manages the drain admirably. Though I have it installed, it is more by way of habit than necessity. I have experienced Oreo without Greenify and have no complaints.
Greenify is STILL works.
But its benefit on recent Android versions is not as prominent as on earlier versions.
Coz we already have Doze starting from Marshmallow.
It works for me. I have a samsung tab a 9.7 sm-t550 with an aicp 8.1 rom (lineageos based). Therefore it doesn't have the built-in samsung app device maintenance. I've also discovered a little trick to using greenify that I want to share. I use greenify with another app called shutapp. Shutapp is an app that helps you force stop apps running in the background. Except I don't do that. I use it solely for the purpose of having an accurate number of apps running in the background. Then I open the app to see which ones are running. Next I open greenify and hibernate them. I use this method, because I found that when you force stop the apps they will open back up again. Also, I use the widget from shutapp and not the floating bubble which requires extra permissions granted. The widget does the same thing without the extra permissions. This method I discovered has improved my ram and battery life drastically. I can tell because I use status bar mini pro to monitor my ram speed constantly. And finally I do have Xposed with the donation package of greenify, didn't want to leave that out. Not sure if it makes a difference or not, but wanted to be accurate. That's it, hope that works for somebody else, take care.
I hear that greenify isn't really needed on Oreo but how about the xposed version of greenify? That ads a couple of more features, does any of those change the verdict to "must have on Oreo" for greenify?
ovizii said:
I hear that greenify isn't really needed on Oreo but how about the xposed version of greenify? That ads a couple of more features, does any of those change the verdict to "must have on Oreo" for greenify?
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The verdict doesn't change. Use of Greenify on Oreo may become "must" only if you have a rogue app which can't be controlled otherwise. Even then, it might be better to seek alternative apps instead of trying to control it with Greenify.
ovizii said:
I hear that greenify isn't really needed on Oreo but how about the xposed version of greenify? That ads a couple of more features, does any of those change the verdict to "must have on Oreo" for greenify?
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The verdict doesn't change. Use of Greenify on Oreo may become "must" only if you have a rogue app which can't be controlled otherwise. Even then, it might be better to seek alternative apps instead of trying to control it with Greenify.
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Greenify works just fine on recent Android builds. It is a tool that can be very beneficial when properly used to produce a specific outcome. That said, it is rarely needed on Android 6+ as doze handles most of the heavy lifting. Enjoy using your device vs trying to fix problems you haven't identified.
i have this app but i dont know wich apps to hibernate, because people recommend to hibernate apps that you dont use but i kinda use a lot of apps , and if i use the magisk version can i hibernate apps without missing notifications?
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i have this app but i dont know wich apps to hibernate, because people recommend to hibernate apps that you dont use but i kinda use a lot of apps , and if i use the magisk version can i hibernate apps without missing notifications?
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The only apps that need to be hibernated are those that frequently start or run in the background *and* consume significant resources. This is an infrequent occurrence on Android 6+ as doze keeps most bad actors in check. If you can not identify misbehaving apps there is little benefit to using Greenify.
so not even boost mode with the magisk module will make a difference?
THEwed123wet said:
so not even boost mode with the magisk module will make a difference?
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Just to add to @Davey126's true and clear statement: Most likely not.
As you're obviously using Greenify4Magisk, please allow me to partially quote its OP:
A very simple module just to make Greenify work as a rom-integrated (privileged) app systemlessly (also known as Boost Mode), ...
* Note: You won't get any xposed-side features, since magisk is NOT xposed!
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To ensure not to miss any notification, Greenify needs to run as a Xposed module.
How can you tell that an app constantly restarts in background?
crittarr said:
How can you tell that an app constantly restarts in background?
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Check to see if it (or related processes) are running and, more importantly, consuming excess resources. Built in tools are a starting point including the often ignored/maligned Android battery 'app' and the 'running processes' gadget usually located under developer options. Don't kill everything you see; just because it has a pulse doesn't mean it has to die (or be hibernated).
Can you name a third party root-free most reliable tool for telling how much energy apps drain?
I would be glad to know if apps are consuming excess resources but this is not told by the onboard android 7 tools I know of. If I go to battery more settings the most usage shows to be from android OS, bluetooth (headphones) and screen. Still making full (and probably excessive) use of tools like brevent or greenify does make the battery graph flatten noticeably.
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Can you name a third party root-free most reliable tool for telling how much energy apps drain?
I would be glad to know if apps are consuming excess resources but this is not told by the onboard android 7 tools I know of. If I go to battery more settings the most usage shows to be from android OS, bluetooth (headphones) and screen. Still making full (and probably excessive) use of tools like brevent or greenify does make the battery graph flatten noticeably.
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Built in tools are more than adequate but if you prefer 3rd party give GSAM a whirl as I find it easier to use than BBS (Better Battery Stats). Some also like Accubattery; too much flash and dash for my tastes. Good luck.
I included a screenshot of all the options I'm given on the Greenify Settings tab. I've always avoided using Greenify because it seems very difficult to use; however, I keep hearing about all the miracles it does as far as battery life so I want to give it a chance.
My confusion comes from the fact that out of all the Tutorials, Reviews, Articles, etc. I've seen and read on YouTube & Google, everyone either has an older version of Greenify than me, or the options are a little different. Some versions have more options than mine, and some fewer. Some have specific settings enabled, some disabled.
For example, some tutorials said to enable Aggressive Doze and Automatic Hibernation, some said to disable them.
I would appreciate it very much if someone with more knowledge on the subject could explain to me what some of these settings do, and which would be better.
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I included a screenshot of all the options I'm given on the Greenify Settings tab. I've always avoided using Greenify because it seems very difficult to use; however, I keep hearing about all the miracles it does as far as battery life so I want to give it a chance.
My confusion comes from the fact that out of all the Tutorials, Reviews, Articles, etc. I've seen and read on YouTube & Google, everyone either has an older version of Greenify than me, or the options are a little different. Some versions have more options than mine, and some fewer. Some have specific settings enabled, some disabled.
For example, some tutorials said to enable Aggressive Doze and Automatic Hibernation, some said to disable them.
I would appreciate it very much if someone with more knowledge on the subject could explain to me what some of these settings do, and which would be better.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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@tnsmani obviously received my check ...
Kidding aside, his guidance is spot on. If you decide to experiment further ignore all the options. They are largely refinements; defaults are fine for most. Simply respond to initial setup prompts (including the all important 'root' query), add 'offending' apps to the watch list and observe whether Greenify helps to reduce background activity.
Wait...you don't have any "offending" apps, do not know how to identify bad actors have no idea if you actually have a problem with excessive (operative word) battery consumption?? If so Greenify will only work as well as your perception of good/evil/impotent which is often an inaccurate measure of reality.
Sadly, Greenify does not have magical powers. That said, It is an effective tool to address a specific type of 'problem': reining in undisciplined app driven background activity...plus a few other gems outside the scope of this discussion. If your device is rocking Android 6/7/8/9/27 native doze does a fine job managing cranky apps that want to eat your battery any small children within a 10 foot radius. Best part: no confusing knobs and dials! It just works.
Enjoy your device.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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I'll definitely give that post by Davey126 a read, thanks.
I'm using a Galaxy Note 4 with Android Marshmallow 6.0.1. The phone is not officially supported anymore obviously, but with ROOT, it's still a great phone even today.
My only issue that made me consider Greenify; I don't know if this is typical of Android, is that I charge my phone to 100% before I go to sleep, and when I wake up it's at 86%. The battery is brand new and the phone has been restored to factory settings to start fresh.
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@tnsmani obviously received my check ...
Kidding aside, his guidance is spot on. If you decide to experiment further ignore all the options. They are largely refinements; defaults are fine for most. Simply respond to initial setup prompts (including the all important 'root' query), add 'offending' apps to the watch list and observe whether Greenify helps to reduce background activity.
Wait...you don't have any "offending" apps, do not know how to identify bad actors have no idea if you actually have a problem with excessive (operative word) battery consumption?? If so Greenify will only work as well as your perception of good/evil/impotent which is often an inaccurate measure of reality.
Sadly, Greenify does not have magical powers. That said, It is an effective tool to address a specific type of 'problem': reining in undisciplined app driven background activity...plus a few other gems outside the scope of this discussion. If your device is rocking Android 6/7/8/9/27 native doze does a fine job managing cranky apps that want to eat your battery any small children within a 10 foot radius. Best part: no confusing knobs and dials! It just works.
Enjoy your device.
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The screenshot I posted are the default settings as of now for my version of 4.3.2.0 of Greenify on my Galaxy Note 4. Would it be okay to assume that if I leave "these" settings on default without changing anything, and all I do is start choosing application to hibernate that I don't use often or don't need push notifications from, it's a good start?
I do have to choose applications manually for Greenify to start working right? I keep looking at all these "Smart Hibernation" & "Automatic Hibernation" settings and my brain goes back to regular applications like the old App Managers that would start working in the background without me settings anything up or choosing applications.
I'll give your post a read as well, and see if I can learn something from it. For once, I wish I had an Android phone with good battery life like my last iPhone; it wouldn't loose any charge overnight. Loosing 14% battery life overnight without doing anything is a little annoying, but now that I've tried Android with ROOT, it's practically imposible to go back to IOS; specially with all the customizing I can do on my Note 4.
Merazomo said:
I'll definitely give that post by Davey126 a read, thanks.
I'm using a Galaxy Note 4 with Android Marshmallow 6.0.1. The phone is not officially supported anymore obviously, but with ROOT, it's still a great phone even today.
My only issue that made me consider Greenify; I don't know if this is typical of Android, is that I charge my phone to 100% before I go to sleep, and when I wake up it's at 86%. The battery is brand new and the phone has been restored to factory settings to start fresh.
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On 6, you may require the help of Greenify but only after you identify the rogue app/s. Unless you sleep for 24 hours a day, your idle drain is high (14% during sleep).
Visit the BBS thread, learn how to create an idle dump, install latest BBS beta from the PlayStore, take an idle dump and post it in the BBS thread and ask for help.
Merazomo said:
The screenshot I posted are the default settings as of now for my version of 4.3.2.0 of Greenify on my Galaxy Note 4. Would it be okay to assume that if I leave "these" settings on default without changing anything, and all I do is start choosing application to hibernate that I don't use often or don't need push notifications from, it's a good start?
I do have to choose applications manually for Greenify to start working right? I keep looking at all these "Smart Hibernation" & "Automatic Hibernation" settings and my brain goes back to regular applications like the old App Managers that would start working in the background without me settings anything up or choosing applications.
I'll give your post a read as well, and see if I can learn something from it. For once, I wish I had an Android phone with good battery life like my last iPhone; it wouldn't loose any charge overnight. Loosing 14% battery life overnight without doing anything is a little annoying, but now that I've tried Android with ROOT, it's practically imposible to go back to IOS; specially with all the customizing I can do on my Note 4.
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Reread previous post. Your first task is to identify which app(s), if any, are draining your battery while the device is idle. Adding apps to Greenify w/o justification is a fools errand and will likely increase overall power consumption vs reduce it. Let's keep it simple. What apps regularly appear near the top of the list in Android's battery page in settings?
There are very few "new" batteries for 4 year old devices. While you many have purchased it recently there is a very good chance it sat on the shelf for several years. Or was 'loaded' with substandard cells with less than stated capacity.
Davey126 said:
Reread previous post. Your first task is to identify which app(s), if any, are draining your battery while the device is idle. Adding apps to Greenify w/o justification is a fools errand and will likely increase overall power consumption vs reduce it. Let's keep it simple. What apps regularly appear near the top of the list in Android's battery page in settings?
There are very few "new" batteries for 4 year old devices. While you many have purchased it recently there is a very good chance it sat on the shelf for several years. Or was 'loaded' with substandard cells with less than stated capacity.
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The battery is good since I was still using Lollipop LOL not that long on my Note 4, and I felt it ran a lot cooler and battery would last longer than on Marshmallow, but app permissions were horrible in Lollipop; I had no control of my privacy whatsoever with apps.
The only top app on my battery apps list with 20% of the battery used overnight was ESPN. I don't even have push notifications enabled for this app, and I used it hours before I went to sleep and before I charged the phone. That might be the app that is harming my battery life. All the other apps are at 0.04% or less.
Merazomo said:
The battery is good since I was still using Lollipop LOL not that long on my Note 4, and I felt it ran a lot cooler and battery would last longer than on Marshmallow, but app permissions were horrible in Lollipop; I had no control of my privacy whatsoever with apps.
The only top app on my battery apps list with 20% of the battery used overnight was ESPN. I don't even have push notifications enabled for this app, and I used it hours before I went to sleep and before I charged the phone. That might be the app that is harming my battery life. All the other apps are at 0.04% or less.
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ESPN app would be an excellent candidate to Greenify. Add it to the 'watch' list and observe device behavior over 24-48 hours.
Davey126 said:
ESPN app would be an excellent candidate to Greenify. Add it to the 'watch' list and observe device behavior over 24-48 hours.
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Everything is as you said. Greenify's default settings are more than satisfying, specially since all I wanted to do was to find the culprit that was killing my battery.
After using BetterBatteryStats & Greenify, it turns out "ESPN" and "Samsung Peel Remote Control" are both using more battery life overnight as I sleep, than the "System" itself.
ESPN behaves as it should when I hibernate it; however, Samsung's Peel Remote wakes up overnight; it won't stay hibernated.
I've been trying to use the scissor's icon to prevent other apps from waking the Peel Remote, but it gives me a failed message.
At least now I know that my problem is not the battery or the phone.
Merazomo said:
... however, Samsung's Peel Remote wakes up overnight; it won't stay hibernated.
I've been trying to use the scissor's icon to prevent other apps from waking the Peel Remote, but it gives me a failed message.
At least now I know that my problem is not the battery or the phone.
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Me thinks you should consider another app:
https://fossbytes.com/peel-remote-use-remove-smart-remote/
There are ways to tame the monster using perfectly legal advanced tools (MAT, SD Maid, etc.) but such discussion is beyond the scope of this thread.
Davey126 said:
Me thinks you should consider another app:
https://fossbytes.com/peel-remote-use-remove-smart-remote/
There are ways to tame the monster using perfectly legal advanced tools (MAT, SD Maid, etc.) but such discussion is beyond the scope of this thread.
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I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
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I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
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A software firewall (preferably VPN based) is an excellent way to block unwanted content and network communications including ads, tracking uploads and/or malicious downloads. I run some type of software firewall on every device I own. As for idle drain rates, I average 0.15-0.25%/hr on WiFi only tablets; 0.4-0.6%/hr on phones. Pretty consistent range regardless of brand, ROM or other variables. Greenify, which I use sparingly, is the only non-native power management tool in my arsenal. No silly alarm/wakelock squashing, doze tuners, etc. Mind your settings, behaviors and app portfolio. Pretty simple stuff. Depressing news for budding geeks with too much time on their hands.
Merazomo said:
I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
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First and most important, it's exactly as @Davey126 stated directly above. Second in order to support your decision: For many years now, I use Greenify and AFWall+ Pro, and I confirm your observation. All of our telephones (we don't own an Android tablet etc.) achieve overnight battery drainages between 0.5 - 0.7%/h including network connection and some non-greenified apps. In airplane mode the drainage decreases to 0.2 - 0.3%/h. For quite some time till about a year ago, I also used tools like Amplify, PowerNap etc. until I realised it makes no sense to try to turn on these knobs i.e. to fight effects but not the causes - and more important I didn't gain any battery life by their utilisation.
BTW: If you're interested in trying a different firewall, NetGuard by M66B, very well known among all users interested in privacy, is an interesting alternative. Based on VPN and no-root required. The only reason why I stay with AFWall+ Pro and don't switch to NetGuard is Android's inherent limitation to only allow one VPN tunnel at a time. And as I always enable my own secure VPN connection with my RaspberryPi in our home network before I connect to mobile data or a foreign WiFi, I can't use NetGuard.
Oswald Boelcke said:
First and most important, it's exactly as @Davey126 stated directly above. Second in order to support your decision: For many years now, I use Greenify and AFWall+ Pro, and I confirm your observation. All of our telephones (we don't own an Android tablet etc.) achieve overnight battery drainages between 0.5 - 0.7%/h including network connection and some non-greenified apps. In airplane mode the drainage decreases to 0.2 - 0.3%/h. For quite some time till about a year ago, I also used tools like Amplify, PowerNap etc. until I realised it makes no sense to try to turn on these knobs i.e. to fight effects but not the causes - and more important I didn't gain any battery life by their utilisation.
BTW: If you're interested in trying a different firewall, NetGuard by M66B, very well known among all users interested in privacy, is an interesting alternative. Based on VPN and no-root required. The only reason why I stay with AFWall+ Pro and don't switch to NetGuard is Android's inherent limitation to only allow one VPN tunnel at a time. And as I always enable my own secure VPN connection with my RaspberryPi in our home network before I connect to mobile data or a foreign WiFi, I can't use NetGuard.
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Yeah, after doing much research online, it came down to NetGuard - NoRoot Firewall - Droidwall(now Avast) - Afwall+.
I chose Afwall+ because it seemed easier to use. The other apps seem more customizable if you know what you're doing, but for what I needed Afwall+ is more of a "click and save" type of app.
Davey126 said:
A software firewall (preferably VPN based) is an excellent way to block unwanted content and network communications including ads, tracking uploads and/or malicious downloads. I run some type of software firewall on every device I own. As for idle drain rates, I average 0.15-0.25%/hr on WiFi only tablets; 0.4-0.6%/hr on phones. Pretty consistent range regardless of brand, ROM or other variables. Greenify, which I use sparingly, is the only non-native power management tool in my arsenal. No silly alarm/wakelock squashing, doze tuners, etc. Mind your settings, behaviors and app portfolio. Pretty simple stuff. Depressing news for budding geeks with too much time on their hands.
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Curiosity bricked a few of my phones over the years LOL. I guess it's human nature.
Reading through a bunch of threads when I still didn't know what Greenify was, there were a few discussions about being able to get "push notifications" when an app was still in hibernation.
How much truth is there to those statements? I have Instagram, Messenger, Facebook, etc. installed on my phone not because I use them constantly, but because it's the easier/cheaper way for my family to contact me.
It would be great to be able to hibernate all those apps, and still know when my family is trying to contact me, even if I have to manually hibernate the apps again afterwards.
Or did I read too much into it and mixed things up?
Merazomo said:
Curiosity bricked a few of my phones over the years LOL. I guess it's human nature.
Reading through a bunch of threads when I still didn't know what Greenify was, there were a few discussions about being able to get "push notifications" when an app was still in hibernation.
How much truth is there to those statements? I have Instagram, Messenger, Facebook, etc. installed on my phone not because I use them constantly, but because it's the easier/cheaper way for my family to contact me.
It would be great to be able to hibernate all those apps, and still know when my family is trying to contact me, even if I have to manually hibernate the apps again afterwards.
Or did I read too much into it and mixed things up?
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Push notifications work with some Greenifed apps (must be GCM capable) but may be delayed by minutes/hours depending on Greenify settings, app design, GCM capabilities, availability of Xposed framework, timing of doze maintenance windows and a bunch of other variables. Best way to assess with your app portfolio is to try.