here is a copy of my stock xml file that boosts audio volume. you can take it and adjust the volume to be higher or lower as you like. these are the 2 lines under headphones that you change the values for to change the volume:
<ctl name="RX1 Mix Digital Volume" value="87" />
<ctl name="RX2 Mix Digital Volume" value="87" />
i tried 89 but man was it loud. some of you may like it that loud. just copy my xml file to system/etc and either rename the one there with .bak extension or just overwrite the one there. make sure to change permission to 0644. then reboot.
enjoy.
Does this boost Bluetooth audio as well. Bluetooth seems to give me the poorest experience however it only seems to be call audio not media playback.
jruweaver said:
Does this boost Bluetooth audio as well. Bluetooth seems to give me the poorest experience however it only seems to be call audio not media playback.
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this is headphones only.
freebee269 said:
here is a copy of my stock xml file that boosts audio volume. you can take it and adjust the volume to be higher or lower as you like. these are the 2 lines under headphones that you change the values for to change the volume:
<ctl name="RX1 Mix Digital Volume" value="87" />
<ctl name="RX2 Mix Digital Volume" value="87" />
i tried 89 but man was it loud. some of you may like it that loud. just copy my xml file to system/etc and either rename the one there with .bak extension or just overwrite the one there. make sure to change permission to 0644. then reboot.
enjoy.
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Awesome! Thanks a lot! This works great!
Palaeologi said:
Awesome! Thanks a lot! This works great!
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Any loss or deterioration of sound quality?
igotroot said:
Any loss or deterioration of sound quality?
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try it yourself and find out. you can always take it back out if you dont like it.
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try it yourself and find out. you can always take it back out if you dont like it.
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I've noticed no loss or deterioration of sound quality. It's like a speed governor on a car. The car was always designed to go faster but a governor keeps it from doing so. If you remove the governor the car still performs as it should at faster speeds with no deterioration of performance.
Works with all variants?
I tried this on my T-Mobile g5 but it didn't do anything..
shame the 32bit/192 Hi Fi DAC module doesnt work on USA Models, its awesome and LOUD!
Hey whats the default value? I think i screwed it up a little because 87 is too high and my headphones messed up in one side..
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Hey whats the default value? I think i screwed it up a little because 87 is too high and my headphones messed up in one side..
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Default is "74"
freebee269 said:
here is a copy of my stock xml file that boosts audio volume. you can take it and adjust the volume to be higher or lower as you like. these are the 2 lines under headphones that you change the values for to change the volume:
<ctl name="RX1 Mix Digital Volume" value="87" />
<ctl name="RX2 Mix Digital Volume" value="87" />
i tried 89 but man was it loud. some of you may like it that loud. just copy my xml file to system/etc and either rename the one there with .bak extension or just overwrite the one there. make sure to change permission to 0644. then reboot.
enjoy.
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I have all the same lines EXCEPT headphones? Like literally everything is the same but I dont have a line for just headphones? Should I add it?
Palaeologi said:
I've noticed no loss or deterioration of sound quality. It's like a speed governor on a car. The car was always designed to go faster but a governor keeps it from doing so. If you remove the governor the car still performs as it should at faster speeds with no deterioration of performance.
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Sorry not to be nitpicky but this is a poorly explained analogy that does equate with audio rather well.
The faster a car goes the more the performance deteriorates, just as the louder you force the audio it will degrade as well.
A better answer is that the boost is not significant enough to degrade the audio yet
The only thing I've ever noticed when messing with the mixer paths xml file is more compression to achieve a volume increase effect. Try a track with serious bass drops.. any hip hop song with a good bass line or dubstep track.. and turn it up all the way. You'll notice the bass fade out right after it hits but the rest of the track is 'louder'. Viper4Android requires the mixer paths xml file to be renamed because in its settings does the same thing to achieve this effect. The only phones I know of that actually increase the gain (voltage out) of the headphone jack is the trick with the V10 and V20 that forces the headphone amp into high impedance mode. I came from a V10 and used this daily when traveling with my Westone 4r IEMs.
If I'm wrong about this, please let me know! I've been looking for a way to modify the actual headphone amp gain for a while now. I've seen people successfully change it with Kernel Adiutor - but that only works on certain kernels.
Also, can anyone confirm that the B&O DAC doesn't work on the US variants of the G5? I've read this a few times now and I'm blown away they wouldn't allow this. You can get them online for like $50.
joesee said:
The only thing I've ever noticed when messing with the mixer paths xml file is more compression to achieve a volume increase effect. Try a track with serious bass drops.. any hip hop song with a good bass line or dubstep track.. and turn it up all the way. You'll notice the bass fade out right after it hits but the rest of the track is 'louder'. Viper4Android requires the mixer paths xml file to be renamed because in its settings does the same thing to achieve this effect. The only phones I know of that actually increase the gain (voltage out) of the headphone jack is the trick with the V10 and V20 that forces the headphone amp into high impedance mode. I came from a V10 and used this daily when traveling with my Westone 4r IEMs.
If I'm wrong about this, please let me know! I've been looking for a way to modify the actual headphone amp gain for a while now. I've seen people successfully change it with Kernel Adiutor - but that only works on certain kernels.
Also, can anyone confirm that the B&O DAC doesn't work on the US variants of the G5? I've read this a few times now and I'm blown away they wouldn't allow this. You can get them online for like $50.
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don't waste your money, I preordered this phone just to get that module and the module will only work on the international model.
does it need root?
can you help me with the earpiece ? during phonecalls the sound is not loud
Does this work with headphones only or earpiece as well? And does it NOT work with Tmobile varient? Thanks!
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hi guys i find the xperia s volume low even at max when i listen to music on the headphones. i have installed many different apps such as volume+ to make it louder and have the dre beats file also installed but it still isnt loud enough for me. i have also flashed the AC!D files but i am still not satisfied. i love volume to be extremely loud on headphones to the point where your ears hurt a bit. so if there are any files you guys can recommend that i can flash or whatever to make the headphone volume super loud that would be awesome! thanks in advance
Loudspeaker on this particular device is apparently low than any other. Me myself faced the problem after i purchased it. U really cant do much with it coz apps/mods can only tweak the hardware to it's highest potential. If so, u might need to open it up and change the speaker. Now will u do that? .. Guess not. Btw, try using stock apps before u try any mod like AC!D or so and if can, do buy the sony smart headset. I bought one and its extremely loud with clear bass and sound. Music turns awesome in this pair of headset =)
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tajwar said:
hi guys i find the xperia s volume low even at max when i listen to music on the headphones. i have installed many different apps such as volume+ to make it louder and have the dre beats file also installed but it still isnt loud enough for me. i have also flashed the AC!D files but i am still not satisfied. i love volume to be extremely loud on headphones to the point where your ears hurt a bit. so if there are any files you guys can recommend that i can flash or whatever to make the headphone volume super loud that would be awesome! thanks in advance
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You realize you only get one pair of ears and you'll have to spend the rest of your life with them? How about turning the volume a little less high but being able to enjoy it longer. I understand where you're coming from, I used to be 16 as well. But if you ever get permanent tinnitus, you'll curse yourself thinking about stuff like this.
But being the helpful guy I am: are you using proper headphones? With my headphones I can easily hurt my ears with the volume on maximum. Either you're using headphones with a low output or you've already damaged your ears. Don't use the stock headphones because those always are rubbish. I use Philips earplugs but in-ear earplugs might go louder. Good sound quality costs a bit. You can also use the stock equalizer to bump the audio volume a bit, just put all the sliders on top.
AC!D will work the opposite of what you want, it'll make the sound less loud but with higher quality. At least that's what I've read about it. Personally I think the Xperia S has the best sound of any smartphone/mp3 player/discman I've ever used without messing with mods, just the equalizer. The call volume on the ear speaker is too low though, not usable in loud environments. Putting the phone in just the right way above your ear helps, but I often have to move to a quieter spot.
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open with root explorer system/build.prop and find phase not sure exactly but like this "ULP low power audio ........." and just after that down you will see that this option is set to =1 it means its enabled so set it for =0 and you will have some better/louder sound and even with AC!D and all when this stay ON it just block all other i find it on my Xperia U on ICS and i think that you have this in build too,heheh HIT THANKS IF I HELP YOU
So I went into /system , /etc , and looked for mixer_paths.XML file so that I could increase the kindles speaker volume but lo and behold the mixer_paths.XML file is not there. Does anyone know what happened to it? What file did amazon stick the volume presets in?
Any of you awesome devs ever figured this out? Would liketo increase the speaker volume using this method
conan1600 said:
Any of you awesome devs ever figured this out? Would liketo increase the speaker volume using this method
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Hello conan1600
The presets for speaker volume are in /system/vendor/amazon/smartvolume/
I have played about with these but any significant increase comes at the cost of distortion. Could be a side effect of how the audio system is wired - not sure at the moment. I am planning to eliminate this smartvolume stuff with a major update to audio stack.
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Hello conan1600
The presets for speaker volume are in /system/vendor/amazon/smartvolume/
I have played about with these but any significant increase comes at the cost of distortion. Could be a side effect of how the audio system is wired - not sure at the moment. I am planning to eliminate this smartvolume stuff with a major update to audio stack.
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Wow. I see what you mean. Totally different than vanilla. Thanks a lot.
So I've been on pretty much every rom and so I will share my experience with each of them considering headphone audio quality, sound, and volume. I've used my HD 598 and Momentum in-ears on each Rom with no sound effect on.
Stock marshmallow G (And a room that was based on stock U): well I actually found that the sound on marshmallow is one of the best on both super and standard setting with a clean and flat signal but on the European (G model) the volume is very very low which is a big downside of marshmallow on G model.
TL;DR: Good clean sound, extremely low volume on G model.
Stock nougat, both G and U: here I found the sound on both G and U to be the same which is probably true since the "mixer_paths" were identical. IMO the sound was somewhat muffled with the super setting turned on along with it having a 10k+ boost which made for artificial highs in some music. Changing to standard solved the sound issues but then the sound was once again very low in volume output.
TL;DR: Super: Muddy bass, boosted top frequencys. Standard: Clean sound, low volume.
Lineage OS/Resurrection Remix: once again identical sound and identical "mixer_paths" files. On these Roms the sound is very strong and significantly louder than on any stock Rom. However, I found the sound to be very muffled with alot off boosted bass despite no sound effects being on or installed. I didn't like the like the sound on these Rims at all and couldn't really here any improvement​ over my old Nexus in sound quality since the boosted bass just took over and sort of layer on top of all the other frequencys.
TL;DR: Very loud signal with lack of quality due to very boosted bass.
Nucler Rom: Now we are talking. I feel like this Rom has the best of both Lineage and stock. The sound is just as loud as on Lineage/RR but the boosted bass is no more. I found this Rom to have just as a flat and clean signal as atleast stock nougat and probably as good as stock marshmallow on the U model but with a stronger and louder sound.
TL;DR: Loud volume output with a clean and flat signal.
If I were to recommend a Rom based on headphone audio qualty it would be either Stock marshmallow or Nuclear with Nuclear having a louder volume output and stock marshmallow having the option to use the super setting which I believe is just a tuning from ZTE to make the sound perceived as better with just boosted bass and treble and also a louder volume which is all classic tricks companies use to simulate high quality sound.
Hola
Very well put together write up. I am sure that this is especially useful for other audiophiles like yourself, particularly given that sound output from this device was a main selling point / feature for many.
That aside we must also give credit to the likes of people like Carl @Unjustified Dev, @DrakenFX, the mysterious anonymous dev (who was kind enough to fix the sound issue for third party ROMs) and a few others. Without their hard work and time we would still have piss poor audio on this relatively decent device.
"So what you want me to do 'bout that?"
Yeah, thanks for the write up!
Another tip for those of us who have been somewhat disappointed by the audio on this device (which after all is selling as a hifi-phone; the meizu pro 5 I had before was way way better...)
Try an audio mod called Ainur Pandora, here on xda. Its not an enhancement or equalizer thing, but rather an audiophile mod, changing audio libs or something (no idea how it works) to use the hardware better. For me it was a big improvement, at bit like changing the mixer paths file that you suggested earlier, but better. I'm starting to feel satisfied with the sound now, the weak point being the treble quality I think, but that is probably inherent in the hardware implementation.
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Yeah, thanks for the write up!
Another tip for those of us who have been somewhat disappointed by the audio on this device (which after all is selling as a hifi-phone; the meizu pro 5 I had before was way way better...)
Try an audio mod called Ainur Pandora, here on xda. Its not an enhancement or equalizer thing, but rather an audiophile mod, changing audio libs or something (no idea how it works) to use the hardware better. For me it was a big improvement, at bit like changing the mixer paths file that you suggested earlier, but better. I'm starting to feel satisfied with the sound now, the weak point being the treble quality I think, but that is probably inherent in the hardware implementation.
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Can Ainur Pandora be installed on Stock ROM or the ROM should definitely be LOS based?
Thanks
cfbruck said:
Yeah, thanks for the write up!
Another tip for those of us who have been somewhat disappointed by the audio on this device (which after all is selling as a hifi-phone; the meizu pro 5 I had before was way way better...)
Try an audio mod called Ainur Pandora, here on xda. Its not an enhancement or equalizer thing, but rather an audiophile mod, changing audio libs or something (no idea how it works) to use the hardware better. For me it was a big improvement, at bit like changing the mixer paths file that you suggested earlier, but better. I'm starting to feel satisfied with the sound now, the weak point being the treble quality I think, but that is probably inherent in the hardware implementation.
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Will try thanks.
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Can Ainur Pandora be installed on Stock ROM or the ROM should definitely be LOS based?
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I tried on both stock and LOS, clear difference on both so it seems to work with both. With the mod I actually preferred LOS.
The same developer also has another mod that is called Nero which is supposed to bypass a lot of stuff and send the audio signal directly to the dac. Sounds good in theory I think, but I couldn't tell any difference at all, not sure if it installed correctly. If anyone tries it gets it to work/notices any difference it would be interesting to hear.
Has any1 tried los vs stock with extremely high sensitivity iems?
I notice a rather high noise floor on stock, with both dacs
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Your post touches on some of my bluetooth audio "issues" on LOS. The volume curve is not even at the lower registers and on low impedence headphones, can easily get to the point of causing clipping and hearing damage at just 50% volume. There's a huge jump in volume from a volume of 3-4 over bluetooth that I can't seem to figure out how to manage.
You can see my research in my post in the Lineage thread here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=71934393&postcount=2344
Do you have any thoughts on how i can modify LOS to account for this?
@MaxRink - LOS on stock with my low impedence IEMs (Shure SE 425) direct to the headphone port works great. The volume curve is well balanced with stock lineage OS, but you should be able to mess with audio_policy_volumes.xml to get the curve to your linking.
thats actually not my issue
my issue is, that i have a rather huge ammount of background noise which especially noticeable when listening to speech at lower volumes. iot might be an opamp issue tho
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Has any1 tried los vs stock with extremely high sensitivity iems?
I notice a rather high noise floor on stock, with both dacs
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No hiss on any rom with my momentum in ears but they aren't really that sensitivity either.
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Your post touches on some of my bluetooth audio "issues" on LOS. The volume curve is not even at the lower registers and on low impedence headphones, can easily get to the point of causing clipping and hearing damage at just 50% volume. There's a huge jump in volume from a volume of 3-4 over bluetooth that I can't seem to figure out how to manage.
You can see my research in my post in the Lineage thread here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=71934393&postcount=2344
Do you have any thoughts on how i can modify LOS to account for this?
@MaxRink - LOS on stock with my low impedence IEMs (Shure SE 425) direct to the headphone port works great. The volume curve is well balanced with stock lineage OS, but you should be able to mess with audio_policy_volumes.xml to get the curve to your linking.
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I have noticed that the absolute Max volume on stock is the same volume as ~75% on LOS based Roms so I don't think that it all lies in the volume curve settings. I didn't push the volume above 75% on LOS because I didn't want to risk damaging my headphone although that's probably very unlikely.
I think that I've read in the german forum that the super was indeed a switch for the ak4490, while the ak4691 is used for everything else. If you are using bluetooth, the phone will use the ak4691 (the super switch doesn't work on bluetooth) same for dolby.
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I tried on both stock and LOS, clear difference on both so it seems to work with both. With the mod I actually preferred LOS.
The same developer also has another mod that is called Nero which is supposed to bypass a lot of stuff and send the audio signal directly to the dac. Sounds good in theory I think, but I couldn't tell any difference at all, not sure if it installed correctly. If anyone tries it gets it to work/notices any difference it would be interesting to hear.
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Same, tried on RR and noticed a huge difference. Made it sound louder and clearer.
Edit: At least on the speakers, haven't tried headphones.
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I think that I've read in the german forum that the super was indeed a switch for the ak4490, while the ak4691 is used for everything else. If you are using bluetooth, the phone will use the ak4691 (the super switch doesn't work on bluetooth) same for dolby.
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Interesting. Do you know which of the DAC/amps are in use in AOSP ROMs?
It seems that the jack output on los is using the ak4490 all the time, and the ak4691 for the other stuff. The snapdragon dac isn't utilised at all according to what they said on the german forum.
you can find this in Los mixer file:
<!-- Hi-Fi Audio -->
<ctl name="AKM HIFI Switch Sel" value="ak4961" />
<ctl name="AKM HIFI Switch Mute" value="off" />
<ctl name="AKM HIFI PW" value="off" />
<ctl name="AK4490 BICK Frequency Select" value="48fs" />
<ctl name="AK4490 Lch Digital Volume" value="0" />
<ctl name="AK4490 Rch Digital Volume" value="0" />
I just wish that zte could have more polished their software when it comes to audio. compared to the Lg V20 or even some android chinese DAP it feels so basic...
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It seems that the jack output on los is using the ak4490 all the time, and the ak4691 for the other stuff. The snapdragon dac isn't utilised at all according to what they said on the german forum.
you can find this in Los mixer file:
<!-- Hi-Fi Audio -->
<ctl name="AKM HIFI Switch Sel" value="ak4961" />
<ctl name="AKM HIFI Switch Mute" value="off" />
<ctl name="AKM HIFI PW" value="off" />
<ctl name="AK4490 BICK Frequency Select" value="48fs" />
<ctl name="AK4490 Lch Digital Volume" value="0" />
<ctl name="AK4490 Rch Digital Volume" value="0" />
I just wish that zte could have more polished their software when it comes to audio. compared to the Lg V20 or even some android chinese DAP it feels so basic...
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Do you know why the value on the last two lines is at 0 if it's that DAC that's in use?
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Do you know why the value on the last two lines is at 0 if it's that DAC that's in use?
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I honestly don't know why. But the stock file show the same lines with the same value.
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I honestly don't know why. But the stock file show the same lines with the same value.
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Ahh ok thanks.
Tried some more - RR rom 7.1.2 with beast mode kernel and the Ainur Pandora gives me the best sound. (Better than nuclear I'd say).
I don't take any credit for this I just discovered it here https://www.head-fi.org/threads/lg-v20-sound-quality.816024/page-189 and since I've never seen it mentioned at XDA I figured I would share it.
So I was playing around with my build.prop file (VS995) and I came across this line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=false". After some googling I came across that page at head-fi.org and learned that if you set "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true" it enables the Hi-Fi DAC to handle 16-bit content natively. By default the V20 is set to do this with 24-bit content only.
I can't speak for all formats but with the lossless flac files that I listen to it made an amazing difference in sound quality.
Tested on my VS995 13A stock rooted rom and on WETA 5.0.7 US99610h rom that I have running with dual boot patcher. It worked on both so chances are this works on all variants.
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I started to get curious about this DAC tweak so I decided to play around with my old V10, VS990 rooted stock rom. The build.prop on my V10 does not have the line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable= (true or false)" so I added the line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true", rebooted and viola. My V10 now sounds even better than before.
So this works on the V10 as well as the V20. Probably the V30 too, assuming root has been achieved.
Update: fixed
I did this and now my viper4android is not processing anymore
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Update: fixed
I did this and now my viper4android is not processing anymore
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Okay so it works but keep turning off and on
Using Viper4Android on the LG V20 undoes all the magic the ESS DAC performs.. It downsamples the audio to 16-bit/48kHz after the ESS DAC has upsampled everything to 32-bit/192kHz
Viper4Android increases the audio quality on most phones. However it is going to decrease the quality on any device running a dedicated DAC.
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Using Viper4Android on the LG V20 undoes all the magic the ESS DAC performs.. It downsamples the audio to 16-bit/48kHz after the ESS DAC has upsampled everything to 32-bit/192kHz
Viper4Android increases the audio quality on most phones. However it is going to decrease the quality on any device running a dedicated DAC.
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Technically yes but viper4android is still a thing you can't miss with this device, no other playerapp can provide this lossless analog timbre equalizer and much other soundimprovements it can provide.
Poweramp and neutron are way behind what viper4android can do or reach in soundquality terms
I compared the tweak with the default settings its a improvement by a small margin yes (not really magic). but as its not compatible with viper4android this is a no go for me personally and for many other people too i guess
I disagree with your statement that viper4android is decreasing soundquality with this DAC, its a huge improvement in contrary you should try it out yourself dac by default sounds dull and unoptimized
Small tip: use viper4android in combination with neutron player this is where the real magic is.
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Technically yes but viper4android is still a thing you can't miss with this device, no other playerapp can provide this lossless analog timbre equalizer and much other soundimprovements it can provide.
Poweramp and neutron are way behind what viper4android can do or reach in soundquality terms
I compared the tweak with the default settings its a improvement by a small margin yes (not really magic). but as its not compatible with viper4android this is a no go for me personally and for many other people too i guess
I disagree with your statement that viper4android is decreasing soundquality with this DAC, its a huge improvement in contrary you should try it out yourself dac by default sounds dull and unoptimized
Small tip: use viper4android in combination with neutron player this is where the real magic is.
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Very interesting I'm thinking about what your saying how Viper4Android doesn't work with this mod and I think I know why.
When audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=false the audio stream is being handled by Android, using Android's src converter and digital volume control. This also allows for Viper4Android functionality. When audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true the audio stream is passed on to the ESS DAC directly, completely bypassing Android's audio processing. This is what I think is causing Viper4Android to lose functionality. Perhaps this is why LG chose to set audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=false in their rom. To increase functionality with other apps, albeit at the expense of audio quality.
Personally I like the way it sounds with audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true and I'm gonna keep it that way. I have tried Viper4Android before and I know by my own ears that it did sound as good. At least not as pure which is what I prefer. So to each his own I guess
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Very interesting I'm thinking about what your saying how Viper4Android doesn't work with this mod and I think I know why.
When audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=false the audio stream is being handled by Android, using Android's src converter and digital volume control. This also allows for Viper4Android functionality. When audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true the audio stream is passed on to the ESS DAC directly, completely bypassing Android's audio processing. This is what I think is causing Viper4Android to lose functionality. Perhaps this is why LG chose to set audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=false in their rom. To increase functionality with other apps, albeit at the expense of audio quality.
Personally I like the way it sounds with audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true and I'm gonna keep it that way. I have tried Viper4Android before and I know by my own ears that it did sound as good. At least not as pure which is what I prefer. So to each his own I guess
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okay it does work with the mod but it cuts in and out
jody2k said:
Technically yes but viper4android is still a thing you can't miss with this device, no other playerapp can provide this lossless analog timbre equalizer and much other soundimprovements it can provide.
Poweramp and neutron are way behind what viper4android can do or reach in soundquality terms
I compared the tweak with the default settings its a improvement by a small margin yes (not really magic). but as its not compatible with viper4android this is a no go for me personally and for many other people too i guess
I disagree with your statement that viper4android is decreasing soundquality with this DAC, its a huge improvement in contrary you should try it out yourself dac by default sounds dull and unoptimized
Small tip: use viper4android in combination with neutron player this is where the real magic is.
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While you might disagree based on your opinion, the fact is Viper4Android does indeed downsample audio. Go back into that same headfi.org thread he mentions and there will be people who conducted tests that show that. You cannot get bit perfect audio quality out of V4A because the V4A driver downsamples (V4A doesn't support HiFi audio), the audio.
This is why I tend to stay away from V4A. Sure, it makes the audio "sound" better but you're running the audio through so much processing things will get lost. V4A is great for when you have devices without a dedicated DAC. But, if your phone has a dedicated DAC or you have a DAC connected via OTG, it's best to go without V4A
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beavis5706 said:
I don't take any credit for this I just discovered it here https://www.head-fi.org/threads/lg-v20-sound-quality.816024/page-189 and since I've never seen it mentioned at XDA I figured I would share it.
So I was playing around with my build.prop file (VS995) and I came across this line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=false". After some googling I came across that page at head-fi.org and learned that if you set "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true" it enables the Hi-Fi DAC to handle 16-bit content natively. By default the V20 is set to do this with 24-bit content only.
I can't speak for all formats but with the lossless flac files that I listen to it made an amazing difference in sound quality.
Tested on my VS995 13A stock rooted rom and on WETA 5.0.7 US99610h rom that I have running with dual boot patcher. It worked on both so chances are this works on all variants.
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I started to get curious about this DAC tweak so I decided to play around with my old V10, VS990 rooted stock rom. The build.prop on my V10 does not have the line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable= (true or false)" so I added the line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true", rebooted and viola. My V10 now sounds even better than before.
So this works on the V10 as well as the V20. Probably the V30 too, assuming root has been achieved.
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Yeah, I have been using this tweak since the 990 got rooted. Works WONDERFULLY. Anything that can be done to et around the Android mixer is worth it to me. Bit perfect audio all the way around with this tweak.
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beavis5706 said:
I don't take any credit for this I just discovered it here https://www.head-fi.org/threads/lg-v20-sound-quality.816024/page-189 and since I've never seen it mentioned at XDA I figured I would share it.
So I was playing around with my build.prop file (VS995) and I came across this line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=false". After some googling I came across that page at head-fi.org and learned that if you set "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true" it enables the Hi-Fi DAC to handle 16-bit content natively. By default the V20 is set to do this with 24-bit content only.
I can't speak for all formats but with the lossless flac files that I listen to it made an amazing difference in sound quality.
Tested on my VS995 13A stock rooted rom and on WETA 5.0.7 US99610h rom that I have running with dual boot patcher. It worked on both so chances are this works on all variants.
UPDATE:
I started to get curious about this DAC tweak so I decided to play around with my old V10, VS990 rooted stock rom. The build.prop on my V10 does not have the line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable= (true or false)" so I added the line "audio.offload.pcm.16bit.enable=true", rebooted and viola. My V10 now sounds even better than before.
So this works on the V10 as well as the V20. Probably the V30 too, assuming root has been achieved.
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Yeah, I have been using this tweak since the 990 got rooted. Works WONDERFULLY. Anything that can be done to et around the Android mixer is worth it to me. Bit perfect audio all the way around with this tweak.
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While you might disagree based on your opinion, the fact is Viper4Android does indeed downsample audio. Go back into that same headfi.org thread he mentions and there will be people who conducted tests that show that. You cannot get bit perfect audio quality out of V4A because the V4A driver will ALWAYS use the Android mixer which downsamples, or upsamples depending on the file's quality, the audio.
This is why I tend to stay away from V4A. Sure, it makes the audio "sound" better but you're running the audio through so much processing things will get lost. V4A is great for when you have devices without a dedicated DAC. But, if your phone has a dedicated DAC or you have a DAC connected via OTG, it's best to go without V4A
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Well we can have a eternal discussion about this,"adiophiles" vs audio equalizer enthosiastics" viper4android is the best thing we have if you're a heavy equalizer user
It doesn't get better than that for android devices atm => Well... maybe with a hardware equalizer directly controlled from the kernel and DAC chip, there were some mods of that in the past with the wolfson dac chip from old android devices
For my personal use I cannot miss viper4android, clean default DAC sound is sounding dull for my "audeze insine 20 inears" for example
Poweramp and neutron does not the job well enough, not by far compared to viper4android
Technical speaking 16bit vs 32 bit rate is an improvement, but only by a small margin for my ears it's not worth letting go V4A
What DID improve the DAC was forcing the dac in high gain mode (other mod on this forum), this was a significant improvement imo, also audible in MP3's not only flac
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Well we can have a eternal discussion about this,"adiophiles" vs audio equalizer enthosiastics" viper4android is the best thing we have if you're a heavy equalizer user
It doesn't get better than that for android devices atm => Well... maybe with a hardware equalizer directly controlled from the kernel and DAC chip, there were some mods of that in the past with the wolfson dac chip from old android devices
For my personal use I cannot miss viper4android, clean default DAC sound is sounding dull for my audeze insine 20 inears for example
Poweramp and neutron does not the job well enough
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Here is the thing, you're speaking to opinion. I'm speaking to technical fact. When you use V4A, any audio you use is merely being amplified by the DAC and not being processed by it. Why do you think V4A doesn't work with the mod enabled? It's because Android is being set to run 16 bit audio through the DAC for processing and amplification. Thus, V4A isn't even touching the audio with this mod.
So, if V4A isn't touching 16-bit audio with this mod, then it's not even touching 24-bit audio by default. So it does the only thing it can do, it downsamples (since it downsamples any audio above 16/44 by default anyway, whereas Android's mixer upsamples to the max capability of the DAC). I cannot speak to what you feel is dull and such. That's your truth based on your musical ears.
All I am saying is this, V4A is nothing more but an EQ. A VERY GOOD one at that. If I didn't have the V20 or the Dragonfly Black, I would still be using V4A. But I don't because I have those tools at my disposal. Grab poweramp Alpha or Ainur and you will see the DAC come to life. V4A, and anything after this is my opinion, doesn't do anything close to what an app that lets the DAC do its job can do.
Installing V4A on this phone, again, my opinion is a waste of the full abilities of the DAC.. Using it just turns the DAC into an amplifier instead of allowing it to be the thing that processes audio IN ADDITION TO amplification.
Didn't know I could enjoy music on my phone without viper. All my mp3s/flac sound more lively. To my knowledge Power amp 3 still downsamples. Is the availability of the built-in equalizer a good trade off for the lost sample size?
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Didn't know I could enjoy music on my phone without viper. All my mp3s/flac sound more lively. To my knowledge Power amp 3 still downsamples. Is the availability of the built-in equalizer a good trade off for the lost sample size?
Edit: Both viper and Dolby are broken with this mod
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You could try blackplayer... It doesn't downsample. I use that because it also has an EQ and when I use my VE Monks, I need to tune the bass down
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You could try blackplayer... It doesn't downsample. I use that because it also has an EQ and when I use my VE Monks, I need to tune the bass down
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Apparently the equalizer attempts to downsample once activated and you get no sound with this tweak. Oh well I'm good knowing I'm actually getting the most out the DAC at all times.
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Didn't know I could enjoy music on my phone without viper. All my mp3s/flac sound more lively. To my knowledge Power amp 3 still downsamples. Is the availability of the built-in equalizer a good trade off for the lost sample size?
Edit: Both viper and Dolby are broken with this mod
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While this phone without viper sounds night and day better than any phone I've heard so far, viper still sounds the best with Poweramp imo
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What DID improve the DAC was forcing the dac in high gain mode (other mod on this forum), this was a significant improvement imo, also audible in MP3's not only flac
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Forcing it into High impedance does nothing for music quality.
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Forcing it into High impedance does nothing for music quality.
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It really depends
Some headphones do like the extra power, headphones with low impedance who are still powerhungry for example. For my audeze isine 20 it made a difference
Some audiophile headphones like the extra voltage, fact they are low impedance doesn't always mean they are easy to drive
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Apparently the equalizer attempts to downsample once activated and you get no sound with this tweak. Oh well I'm good knowing I'm actually getting the most out the DAC at all times.
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Do you mean V4A becomes broken? Because I am using BlackPlayer right now with the EQ activated (Blackplayer's built in EQ, not V4A) and I am having no issues plus there is no downsampling.
But yes, as I said in an earlier post, V4A will become broken (as will most audio mods) if you use this build.prop mod because the DAC will be handling 16-bit audio processing directly instead of it being bypassed and handled by the audio mods.
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It really depends
Some headphones do like the extra power, headphones with low impedance who are still powerhungry for example. For my audeze isine 20 it made a difference
Some audiophile headphones like the extra voltage, fact they are low impedance doesn't always mean they are easy to drive
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High Impedance doesn't affect quality, it affects loudness. Since the amp in the V20 is actually pushing the headphones, the headphones are able to play louder. The quality is affected by the DAC whether h.i. is on or not. The quality doesn't change (unless you're into letting your audio clip), its just able to be louder.
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Do you mean V4A becomes broken? Because I am using BlackPlayer right now with the EQ activated (Blackplayer's built in EQ, not V4A) and I am having no issues plus there is no downsampling.
But yes, as I said in an earlier post, V4A will become broken (as will most audio mods) if you use this build.prop mod because the DAC will be handling 16-bit audio processing directly instead of it being bypassed and handled by the audio mods.
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High Impedance doesn't affect quality, it affects loudness. Since the amp in the V20 is actually pushing the headphones, the headphones are able to play louder. The quality is affected by the DAC whether h.i. is on or not. The quality doesn't change (unless you're into letting your audio clip), its just able to be louder.
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I'm not gona try to learn a donkey maths, i'm not talking about more volume it does more than just that. you clearly don't know what you're talking about and as in contrary you read on hi fi forums you don't know anything about soundquality or how it affects ears/headphones
You're an idiot yes that right I'm gona ignore you from now
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I'm not gona try to learn a donkey maths, i'm not talking about more volume it does more than just that. you clearly don't know what you're talking about and as in contrary you read on hi fi forums you don't know anything about soundquality or how it affects ears/headphones
You're an idiot yes that right I'm gona ignore you from now
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It only makes it louder. Just people say it does more then that on HiFi fourms does not make it true.
Just Google ohms law. It has no effect on audio quality. If you think High impedance makes better audio quality, then you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
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jody2k said:
Well we can have a eternal discussion about this,"adiophiles" vs audio equalizer enthosiastics" viper4android is the best thing we have if you're a heavy equalizer user
It doesn't get better than that for android devices atm => Well... maybe with a hardware equalizer directly controlled from the kernel and DAC chip, there were some mods of that in the past with the wolfson dac chip from old android devices
For my personal use I cannot miss viper4android, clean default DAC sound is sounding dull for my "audeze insine 20 inears" for example
Poweramp and neutron does not the job well enough, not by far compared to viper4android
Technical speaking 16bit vs 32 bit rate is an improvement, but only by a small margin for my ears it's not worth letting go V4A
What DID improve the DAC was forcing the dac in high gain mode (other mod on this forum), this was a significant improvement imo, also audible in MP3's not only flac
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i dunno why you praise v4A that much, but here is what i tried. i used v4A on my v20 with Razer adaro DJ, KZ Z26, and puresound 260ohm earbuds. it sounds great until my brother in law bring his cord mojo and Fiio Q1 Mark II dac/amp. no matter setting that i use in V4A i always got "buzzing" on my headphone/iem/earbuds. the bass were enough but i lost the vocal and instrument quality. it get worse when i use fiio as a dac. restore my backup and testing without V4A. and guess what? every noise and buzz gone. fiio as amp really blowing every sound aspect from my v20. more soundstage, neutral sound, etc. so yeah, if you only use v20 and iem v4a might be best for you but once you use external amp or dac it became useless even downgrading sound performance.
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i dunno why you praise v4A that much, but here is what i tried. i used v4A on my v20 with Razer adaro DJ, KZ Z26, and puresound 260ohm earbuds. it sounds great until my brother in law bring his cord mojo and Fiio Q1 Mark II dac/amp. no matter setting that i use in V4A i always got "buzzing" on my headphone/iem/earbuds. the bass were enough but i lost the vocal and instrument quality. it get worse when i use fiio as a dac. restore my backup and testing without V4A. and guess what? every noise and buzz gone. fiio as amp really blowing every sound aspect from my v20. more soundstage, neutral sound, etc. so yeah, if you only use v20 and iem v4a might be best for you but once you use external amp or dac it became useless even downgrading sound performance.
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Buzzing from your ear buds?? Maybe you did something wrong badly
And you lost vocal and instrument quality yes let me guess what you did: you boosted the bass options without boosting the low mids, mids and high's because you don't know how equalizing works because your that kind of audiophile who strives after pure neutral sound.
Ofcourse the chord mojo is on a other league here it's alot better yes I tried it too but no equalization options soo i was bit dissapointed afterwards, i loved the pure sound it was giving tho and maybe the only dac i could use without EQ but then again there is so much potential lost ... So sad
If the mojo could be paired with a decent EQ then this would be majestic sound i agree
Tried several DAP's from sony the nwzx2 was the one who came closest maybe even better yes but damn the price of that thing
I don't know why you guys try to dishonor v4a it's really good and all about the settings you use
Poweramp can give 24bit output, but when Viper is activated then it's always 16bit. I have tried 24/32bit .irs files too, but no luck.
DooMLoRD77 said:
Poweramp can give 24bit output, but when Viper is activated then it's always 16bit. I have tried 24/32bit .irs files too, but no luck.
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Why would you use V4A with LG? Makes no sense. It's 16bit due to the fact you aren't using the quad dac. The drivers for V4A are closed source. While the app may get updated, the drivers never will.
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BROKEN1981 said:
Why would you use V4A with LG? Makes no sense. It's 16bit due to the fact you aren't using the quad dac. The drivers for V4A are closed source. While the app may get updated, the drivers never will.
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Right.
With Viper you're making the onboard Snapdragon 835 DAC sound differently, not the already excellent V30 Quad DAC.
BROKEN1981 said:
Why would you use V4A with LG? Makes no sense. It's 16bit due to the fact you aren't using the quad dac. The drivers for V4A are closed source. While the app may get updated, the drivers never will.
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I would use convolver in Viper which makes my earphones sound more natural. Although It uses the quad dac the same way as Poweramp and it's 16bit because it is the preferred sample rate by Viper. So it's not possible to increase it . Anyway, thank you!
ChazzMatt said:
Right.
With Viper you're making the onboard Snapdragon 835 DAC sound differently, not the already excellent V30 Quad DAC.
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It actually sounds exactly the same when Viper is active. The specific EQ (convolver) is the only reason I would use it.
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Although It uses the quad dac the same way as Poweramp and it's 16bit because it is the preferred sample rate by Viper. So it's not possible to increase it . Anyway, thank you!
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This is not true. V4A DOESN'T use the quad dac. 16bit is NOT the preferred rate. The driver is 16bit and that will never change. The dev of V4A left before any other bit rate became a thing on Android. The dev never responded to request for the code.
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BROKEN1981 said:
This is not true. V4A DOESN'T use the quad dac. 16bit is NOT the preferred rate. The driver is 16bit and that will never change. The dev of V4A left before any other bit rate became a thing on Android. The dev never responded to request for the code.
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I can't notice any difference with Viper, but OK I get it. So it's bypassing the LG quad dac function. I won't use Viper, I want 24bit to avoid losses from digital volume controlling. Thanks the help!
DooMLoRD77 said:
I can't notice any difference with Viper, but OK I get it. So it's bypassing the LG quad dac function. I won't use Viper, I want 24bit to avoid losses from digital volume controlling. Thanks the help!
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/themes/magisk-bring-24-bit-output-aosp-pie-t3900863
Our ES9218p (Quad DAC) has an integrated amplifier (so-called OpAmp) using Analog Volume Control (AVC). You're not losing any resolution due to digital volume control, as long as you use a player app that knows how to play bit-perfect: Such apps will send all bits straight to the DAC (essentially keeping digital volume at max) and leave volume control to the DAC. When you turn volume up/down with the volume keys (or the Hi-Fi Quad DAC settings page) you're controlling that analog amp.
The moment you add EQ or DTS or other digital processing you already lose bit perfect. But as long as the app doesn't use digital volume control (keeps it at max) at least you will still have the full resolution during and after that processing.
You should be more concerned about the upsamling done by the Android Mixer when playing 16/44 music (anything CD quality, whether compressed or not). See this for details.
All player apps (including LG Music) will suffer this up-sampling unless they specifically work around it. UAPP and Neutron work around it by converting 16/44 to 24/44 on the fly. PowerAmp CAN work around it if you configure it to re-sample 16/44 to 24/44 -- but you then have to change that setting when playing HiRes music (anything 24-bit or higher than 44.1KHz) so it isn't down-sampled to 24/44.
HiRes music generally plays correctly from most apps (not re-sampled) unless they specifically mess it up (which is the case with Qobuz last I heard) or they deliberately re-sample it (like Amazon HD Music which re-samples everything to 48KHz on Android devices).
I never used Viper4Android. I don't see how it can cause audio to bypass the Quad DAC (when Quad DAC is enabled) but I'm not ruling it out. And certainly there is no way Viper4Android can understand or take advantage of the Quad DAC given how old it is.
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The moment you add EQ or DTS or other digital processing you already lose bit perfect. But as long as the app doesn't use digital volume control (keeps it at max) at least you will still have the full resolution during and after that processing.
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DTS no longer works in pie for PowerAmp. I don't know why. When I need to unwind, I would sip on vodka straight on the rocks. Put on PowerAmp, turn on DTS wide setting and listen to Pink Floyd.
TheDannemand said:
I never used Viper4Android. I don't see how it can cause audio to bypass the Quad DAC (when Quad DAC is enabled) but I'm not ruling it out. And certainly there is no way Viper4Android can understand or take advantage of the Quad DAC given how old it is.
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Few devs who did audio mods said this back in the V20 days.
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Edit, I'm sure @ChazzMatt can find it. He can find anything. LMFAO
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DTS no longer works in pie for PowerAmp. I don't know why. When I need to unwind, I would sip on vodka straight on the rocks. Put on PowerAmp, turn on DTS wide setting and listen to Pink Floyd.
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LOL thank you for that image :laugh:
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Few devs who did audio mods said this back in the V20 days.
Edit, I'm sure @ChazzMatt can find it. He can find anything. LMFAO
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No need, I believe you. I just don't know how it is possible to avoid the Quad DAC when it's enabled. As in *I* don't know how, not that it isn't possible :cyclops:
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Our ES9218p (Quad DAC) has an integrated amplifier (so-called OpAmp) using Analog Volume Control (AVC). You're not losing any resolution due to digital volume control, as long as you use a player app that knows how to play bit-perfect: Such apps will send all bits straight to the DAC (essentially keeping digital volume at max) and leave volume control to the DAC. When you turn volume up/down with the volume keys (or the Hi-Fi Quad DAC settings page) you're controlling that analog amp.
The moment you add EQ or DTS or other digital processing you already lose bit perfect. But as long as the app doesn't use digital volume control (keeps it at max) at least you will still have the full resolution during and after that processing.
You should be more concerned about the upsamling done by the Android Mixer when playing 16/44 music (anything CD quality, whether compressed or not). See this for details.
All player apps (including LG Music) will suffer this up-sampling unless they specifically work around it. UAPP and Neutron work around it by converting 16/44 to 24/44 on the fly. PowerAmp CAN work around it if you configure it to re-sample 16/44 to 24/44 -- but you then have to change that setting when playing HiRes music (anything 24-bit or higher than 44.1KHz) so it isn't down-sampled to 24/44.
HiRes music generally plays correctly from most apps (not re-sampled) unless they specifically mess it up (which is the case with Qobuz last I heard) or they deliberately re-sample it (like Amazon HD Music which re-samples everything to 48KHz on Android devices).
I never used Viper4Android. I don't see how it can cause audio to bypass the Quad DAC (when Quad DAC is enabled) but I'm not ruling it out. And certainly there is no way Viper4Android can understand or take advantage of the Quad DAC given how old it is.
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That's interesting. When I set to 16bit in poweramp then I hear noise at the end of some tracks when the volume slowly decreases in the song. That's happens also with LG music app. But when I choose 24bit in poweramp then the noise disappears and I hear more details. This noise can be noticed at enough low volume. So is this means that poweramp and LG music uses DVC and not letting the DAC to do the job?
As for the interpolation I don't care, I don't have high sensitivity device and poweramp gives fix 24/44.1.
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That's interesting. When I set to 16bit in poweramp then I hear noise at the end of some tracks when the volume slowly decreases in the song. That's happens also with LG music app. But when I choose 24bit in poweramp then the noise disappears and I hear more details. This noise can be noticed at enough low volume. So is this means that poweramp and LG music uses DVC and not letting the DAC to do the job?
As for the interpolation I don't care, I don't have high sensitivity device and poweramp gives fix 24/44.1.
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LG Music doesn't use DVC. From what I can tell, it plays everything correctly, including HiRes, so long as you keep effects and EQ disabled. Its only problem is that it doesn't bypass the Mixer on 16/44.
And I can almost guarantee that you DO care about the interpolation: That noise you hear at low amplitude (volume) levels is typical of the upsampling performed by the Android Mixer. Once you configure PowerAmp to output as 24-bit, AudioFlinger will use the DIRECT path instead of the MIXER path, which will bypass the Mixer and send music straight to the DAC, without upsampling. That's why the noise goes away when you select 24-bit, not because of DVC bit-loss at 16-bit.
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lol no need to quote the entire post
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This is aimed at you and the op.
From the V20 to the V30 on 7, 8 and now 9.0, people have complained about hissing. I always thought it was audio mods but I'm sure DooM isn't using any.
I don't see how, but maybe a dirty connection? Or possibly the headphones? Damaged speaker?
I've used the stock app with DTS. No hissing. Tho kinda sounds bad. Something really changed with 9.0.
Even with DTS off, no hissing and the music sounds good.
PowerAmp, no hissing, can't use DTS. UAPP, no hissing.
@DooMLoRD77, do you have a different pair of headphones?
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I wasn't actually hearing the interpolation noise, however It was because of dithering was turned off by default. When I apply any kind of dithering then noise disappears on 16bit. 24 bit doesn't require dithering as I hear. So I found the solution and it's good to learn new stuffs, thanks. Although I don't get it why it happens. The dithering should add noise to reduce distorsion as I think.
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Good I just learned how to reply.
I tested it with my budget MH1C and the hissing was just a very small amount apparently due to turned off dithering as I wrote above. It now sounds fine Plus that DTS seems also bad to me, it's kinda aggressive.
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DooMLoRD77 said:
I wasn't actually hearing the interpolation noise, however It was because of dithering was turned off by default. When I apply any kind of dithering then noise disappears on 16bit. 24 bit doesn't require dithering as I hear. So I found the solution and it's good to learn new stuffs, thanks. Although I don't get it why it happens. The dithering should add noise to reduce distorsion as I think.
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How do you know it isn't the upsampling that's causing the noise? Your description fits exactly the symptoms of it. Particularly if it goes away when you switch to 24-bit output.
It doesn't make sense that you need to turn on dithering or otherwise process the audio source in order to avoid noise: The ESS DAC has incredibly low noise levels, and as long as the source is left unprocessed and played through the DIRECT path, you should be hearing nothing but black background. Of course assuming a clean recording. (Some of my best recordings are old analog ones, but of course they have noise.)
I apologize for being pushy about this, but I keep seeing myths surrounding this Quad DAC, and users focusing on things that aren't problems while overlooking the real problems that actually exist.
I'll leave you to it
@BROKEN1981: I want to make sure I understand you correctly: Are you saying you experienced hissing on both V20 and V30, but once you got Pie, it went away?
That's interesting (if I understand you correctly). I wonder if LG fixed the re-sampling in their later Pie releases after all: Long before Pie came out on any LG phones I had a bet with csglinux (over on head-fi) where I optimistically/naively said I had a feeling they might address it in Pie, and he thought they wouldn't. Of course when Pie finally came (to his V40 at first) the problems had turned even worse, now with both up-sampling and down-sampling, and a bunch of other issues too. Took much work by Davy to fix UAPP, and I understand the same with Neutron.
I am now tempted to upgrade my H932 after all just to test this. But first I need confirmation that lafsploit isn't broken when rolling back from Pie (I think you saw this over in the H932 root thread.)
But like you mentioned, most of the reports of hissing in the past seemed to traceable back to audio mods or EQ or other processing by player apps. With a good DAC like ours and decent IEMs, it doesn't take much messing around with a 16/44 stream before you can hear it.
Edit: Have you done an audio_flinger dump during 16/44 playback since updating to Pie?
You really got me thinking, but I have so much work to do, gotta get this out of my head for now :silly:
@TheDannemand
I got confused with this much testing. I believe what you say and I'm already happy with this thing. Sorry for this unimportant problem I don't know about the real issues. :laugh:
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I got confused with this much testing. I believe what you say and I'm already happy with this thing. Sorry for this unimportant problem I don't know about the real issues. :laugh:
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Fair enough LOL
I didn't mean to be tactless, but I can see how that came across. Actually I DO consider your problem important. Otherwise I wouldn't keep responding to it. And besides, it's your thread!
What I meant was myths such as "you must use 50ohm headphones to activate the DAC", or "music gets better and better as more of the Quad DAC cores are activated", or "up-sampling music to 352KHz in PowerAmp will improve its quality". Just to mention a few.
Truths are (1) the ES9218P is a genuine audiophile DAC which performs the best when NOTHING is done to the source. (2) It CAN drive planars and other hard-to-drive headphones, but sounds blissful too on highly sensitive balanced armatures. (3) It uses multiple DAC units to increase amplification, not to "improve" the music. (4) HIM is NOT required for it to perform optimally.
The "real problem" is the upsampling of 16/44 music, which isn't inherent to the DAC itself, but is a massive oversight in LG's implementation, diminishing sound quality for the vast majority of music played on a phone. While not everybody can hear it (depending on hearing, earphones/headphones used, and the music source) many people CAN, particularly on sensitive IEMs -- including many moderately priced and popular earphones. And since many users don't realize that the hiss/noise they're hearing is re-sampling artifacts, they pursue fixes that further process the music stream, which sometimes may drown out the noise, but also further diminishes sound quality.
This upsampling is by far the biggest problem with LG's Quad DAC from an audiophile perspective.
(I should add that configuring PowerAmp to re-sample to 352KHz actually isn't the worst choice, since it does this without the artifacts of the Android Mixer's 44 > 48KHz upsampling, and it will play the result through the DIRECT path. Of course "re-sampling" 16/44 to 24/44 (just adding the zero bits) is even better, but requires changing every time HiRes music is played to avoid down-sampling it.)
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@BROKEN1981: I want to make sure I understand you correctly: Are you saying you experienced hissing on both V20 and V30, but once you got Pie, it went away?
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Not me, I'm just saying I've seen people having issues with hissing going all the way back to the V20. Though I don't know what they were doing. I can count on 1 hand of how many times I've seen it posted.
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DooMLoRD77;80574395 [user=832590 said:
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I got confused with this much testing. I believe what you say and I'm already happy with this thing. Sorry for this unimportant problem I don't know about the real issues. :laugh:
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Trust me, you aren't bothering anyone man! @TheDannemand is happy to shed some light on the dac. There is a lot of misinformation on it and I partly blame LG.
When the V20 came out, LG said at 50 ohms or more, the sound gets better.
While this may be correct, it's very misleading. If using something more than 50 ohms, you are probably using cans designed for audiophiles.
There aren't many earphones that hit 50 ohms. I bought a pair of audio-technica's that are 50 ohms earphones. Over $100 as well.
I went to Ali Express, bought CCA C10 earphones that are 30 ohms that blow my audio-technica's out of the water.
Do they hold up to cans? NO! Cans will give the best sound experience while being more than 50 ohms.
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