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With all the praise for the solid construction of this device I was surprised to hear mine rattle slightly when setting it down on the sofa.
Try holding your phone in your right hand and tap the top edge at the rear with your right index finger.
Does yours rattle too?
Dont have the device yet, but its not surprising to hear that. Although Samsung has done a wonderful job with utilizing space to the maximum, it is plastic after all.
Its surprising to me. A top end device like this should not rattle!
i'd bet any amount of money its the auto foxus mechanism in the cmaera lense. every phone i've owned does this when i set it down on a hard surface. my n1 which is solid does it as well.
only way to prove it is attempt to take a photo and shake the phone to simulate the rattle. while the camera turns on the auto focus mechanism, it is no longer "loose" and the rattle will briefly go away. once the photo is snapped the focus mechanism goes back to idle/loose position, so it will then rattle.
Only rattle i have is not a rattle just the noise of hitting hard plastic .Same noise on SGS1
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I couldn't hear anything on mine aside from the sound of my finger tapping the plastic. Could it be your back cover? It might not be fully on. I carried mine around for a few hours before realising one of the plastic clips wasn't fully in place.
RogerPodacter said:
i'd bet any amount of money its the auto focus mechanism in the camaera lense.
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I think you're right. I've done what you suggested with varying success in changing the pattern of the rattle when constantly tapping the phone whilst touching different areas of the viewfinder.
Ok, maybe this is the auto focus mechanism but is it right and if it is why does it affect some and not others?
DVC1985 said:
I couldn't hear anything on mine aside from the sound of my finger tapping the plastic. Could it be your back cover? It might not be fully on. I carried mine around for a few hours before realising one of the plastic clips wasn't fully in place.
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I get the same with the back cover off. If I apply gentle pressure to the camera lens it does lessen the rattle a little.
I know we don't go round tapping our phones as a rule but I'm not happy at this.
Just checked mine and no rattle here
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xspyda said:
I think you're right. I've done what you suggested with varying success in changing the pattern of the rattle when constantly tapping the phone whilst touching different areas of the viewfinder.
Ok, maybe this is the auto focus mechanism but is it right and if it is why does it affect some and not others?
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More than likely (as with nearly all audio / visual imperfections people find) is that some people have better eyes or ears, or a much quieter environment. Try going to downtown Tokyo and even hearing your phone, let alone a rattle. Meanwhile up in the Drakensburg mountains here, I could probably hear a stone dropping at over a kilometer away.
Less likely is that your phone has a looser camera than others - there are always imperfections in manufacturing, and you might have hit the bad end of the spectrum with the lenses being too small for the holder. If this is the case, a replacement would definitely fix it.
But more than likely it's the first case.
I appreciate what you are saying Ryan but in all honestly, I think it my case it's the second scenario.
I don't go looking for faults but I do expect a premium device with a premium price tag to feel like such. This rattle totally spoils it for me and with a few other niggling little doubts I had about the phone (mainly personal preference) this was the push I needed to prompt me to return the handset.
I won't be getting a replacement. Don't get me wrong, the phone is a very nice phone and is probably the best Android out there currently but again, personal preference and a few little niggles means it's not for me.
Great for those that have no rattle, enjoy your devices as I am sure you will.
It was fun while it lasted anyway
xspyda said:
I appreciate what you are saying Ryan but in all honestly, I think it my case it's the second scenario.
I don't go looking for faults but I do expect a premium device with a premium price tag to feel like such. This rattle totally spoils it for me and with a few other niggling little doubts I had about the phone (mainly personal preference) this was the push I needed to prompt me to return the handset.
I won't be getting a replacement. Don't get me wrong, the phone is a very nice phone and is probably the best Android out there currently but again, personal preference and a few little niggles means it's not for me.
Great for those that have no rattle, enjoy your devices as I am sure you will.
It was fun while it lasted anyway
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Sorry to hear about this 'rattle' on your unit...why not try at least another unit to see if that 'rattle' is also present there, especially if you think you might have gotten a defective unit...
You seem a bit to be quick at dismissing the device. Almost like you just waited to find a reason to get rid of it.
In any case, I hope I don't have that problem on mine.
xspyda said:
I think you're right. I've done what you suggested with varying success in changing the pattern of the rattle when constantly tapping the phone whilst touching different areas of the viewfinder.
Ok, maybe this is the auto focus mechanism but is it right and if it is why does it affect some and not others?
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well to me its normal since i've explicitly noticed the rattle in every phone i've owned, and learned a while back that it was the auto focus mechanism. so it all depends on your personal opinion i guess, but my hunch is that if exchanged every other one would do it as well. who knows though....
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You seem a bit to be quick at dismissing the device. Almost like you just waited to find a reason to get rid of it.
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No not at all. There are a few things that I don't like about the SGS2 that had me considering returning it before I even noticed the rattle - this is just what cemented my decision to return it. As said previously though, the annoyances I have with it are down to personal preference and comparison to other devices I have owned.
I'm not in the 'business' or picking faults with something for the sake of it, regardless of brand, I just want quality when I pay a quality price and to me at least this rattle makes the whole thing feel cheap.
Remember those two important words, personal and preference!
RogerPodacter said:
well to me its normal since i've explicitly noticed the rattle in every phone i've owned, and learned a while back that it was the auto focus mechanism. so it all depends on your personal opinion i guess, but my hunch is that if exchanged every other one would do it as well. who knows though....
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You may well be right but it bugs the hell out of me after forking out the money, I need the device to feel solid!
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No not at all. There are a few things that I don't like about the SGS2 that had me considering returning it before I even noticed the rattle - this is just what cemented my decision to return it. As said previously though, the annoyances I have with it are down to personal preference and comparison to other devices I have owned.
I'm not in the 'business' or picking faults with something for the sake of it, regardless of brand, I just want quality when I pay a quality price and to me at least this rattle makes the whole thing feel cheap.
Remember those two important words, personal and preference!
You may well be right but it bugs the hell out of me after forking out the money, I need the device to feel solid!
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I guess I see your point.
I was hoping it was a defective unit rather than a general problem with the SGS2 since I hadn't heard about the rattling.
If I noticed something like that on mine, I probably would be bothered too.
yes i agree too. if it's a defective unit, just exchange with another one while it's still under warranty.
just keep that in mind. there are no other devices out there that can match with SGII at this point. What is your second choice, if I may ask?
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just keep that in mind. there are no other devices out there that can match with SGII at this point. What is your second choice, if I may ask?
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Good question! I don't have one. It would possibly have been the Nexus S but for the irreversible problems with freezing and lock ups - mainly for the feel / size of the handset rather than its features.
I think I will wait a while now ...
lol at this thread. Sell it, probably be worth more right now.
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Good question! I don't have one. It would possibly have been the Nexus S but for the irreversible problems with freezing and lock ups - mainly for the feel / size of the handset rather than its features.
I think I will wait a while now ...
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metal back cover will be released anytime soon. i was thinking about ordering one when i get my SGII in US.
Hey all, I've spent a few days now looking over my options for a new phone and I think i'm going to jump on the m8. it seems to have a decent amount of support already and I'm 1. worried about the s5 in terms of how long it will take to get bootloader unlock/bypass 2. worried about the nexus 5's battery.. reviews are up and down and also terribly subjective. the m8's is bigger so i think i would just prefer that one (plus i can already throw a GPe rom on the m8 so i'll still have that stock andriod feel) and 3. the one+ 1's price point has me a little bit worried and I just don't feel right about it. something just seems off.
That being said, are there any widespread out of box defects that people are noticing as of yet? like screen bleed, loose buttons, etc.? I've spent the past 55 minutes researching opinions and checking my root/recovery/rom options and haven't had a chance to check myself and now by break at work is over. If anyone could let me know about any possible issues the phone might be having i'd appreciate it. I would certainly want to make sure the device i get is not suffering from any such issue.
Thanks
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Hey all, I've spent a few days now looking over my options for a new phone and I think i'm going to jump on the m8. it seems to have a decent amount of support already and I'm 1. worried about the s5 in terms of how long it will take to get bootloader unlock/bypass 2. worried about the nexus 5's battery.. reviews are up and down and also terribly subjective. the m8's is bigger so i think i would just prefer that one (plus i can already throw a GPe rom on the m8 so i'll still have that stock andriod feel) and 3. the one+ 1's price point has me a little bit worried and I just don't feel right about it. something just seems off.
That being said, are there any widespread out of box defects that people are noticing as of yet? like screen bleed, loose buttons, etc.? I've spent the past 55 minutes researching opinions and checking my root/recovery/rom options and haven't had a chance to check myself and now by break at work is over. If anyone could let me know about any possible issues the phone might be having i'd appreciate it. I would certainly want to make sure the device i get is not suffering from any such issue.
Thanks
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I bought 2 yesterday. I am usually a nit pick about devices so the first thing I did was check over every function and every inch of the device. So far I have found none that are a big deal to me. Both devices have a tiny tiny bit of light bleed on the right side near the top only noticible with brightness up high. Both devices buttons have a very slight rattle from them which comes from the buttons although they both click very nicely and seem to be working properly. Both devices (as well as some other people on here) seem to have a very slightly crooked volume button depending on how it's held. Both of the devices screens are nice and flush with the body, and look absolutely amazing. As I said, I am a nit pick about my new phones, and have returned a few over flaws. That being said, unless there is something that I have managed to miss I will not be returning these. The flaws are minor.
I was also on the fence about weather or not to get this phone. I was also looking at the S5, and N5. My concerns were the same as yours, no root for the S5 and crappy battery for the N5. That being said I couldn't be happier with this phone. It's screen, speakers, speed, battery life (so far) is beyond my expectations. I highly reccomend it.
Hey. Just got my new LG G5, but I've noticed something weird. Namely, when I tap the middle of my screen it sounds and feels a bit different, like either the screen was raised there or there was nothing beneath it. I'm wondering if I'm the only one experiencing it.
EDIT: The best test is to repeatedly start tapping it in the middle in quiet surroundings and then move to edges and say if you can hear and feel the difference.
UPDATE: LG's support response is that if the touchscreen works properly there is no basis for RMA.
Bump.
Is there a screen protector on it? If not definitely not normal. I'd ship that to LG asap. I am not experience this issue and haven't heard of it from others.
Side note man I feel bad for a lot of you users. I don't got any of these issues so many of yall have. LG G6 will definitely wait few months before I get it. Had a few lower-mid range LG phones. A lot of these issues seem to carry over to LG G5. Which is unacceptable for a flagship device.
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Is there a screen protector on it? If not definitely not normal. I'd ship that to LG asap. I am not experience this issue and haven't heard of it from others.
Side note man I feel bad for a lot of you users. I don't got any of these issues so many of yall have. LG G6 will definitely wait few months before I get it. Had a few lower-mid range LG phones. A lot of these issues seem to carry over to LG G5. Which is unacceptable for a flagship device.
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No screen protector, but maybe it's because of the modular build? It makes sense that it wouldn't sound so hollow near the edges, since the phone has something underneath it there, whereas beneath the middle of the screen there's only a battery, which is removable, so it might not be just built too well. I suppose that I should ask LG themselves about it. Anyway, thanks for your comment.
Sidenote: Got 60 views and no votes and only one comment... Is this forum only browsed by bots or what?
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No screen protector, but maybe it's because of the modular build? It makes sense that it wouldn't sound so hollow near the edges, since the phone has something underneath it there, whereas beneath the middle of the screen there's only a battery, which is removable, so it might not be just built too well. I suppose that I should ask LG themselves about it. Anyway, thanks for your comment.
Sidenote: Got 60 views and no votes and only one comment... Is this forum only browsed by bots or what?
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Yeah I was thinking that too. I am not noticing this issue. Maybe other's could give feedback for him? My sense of touch not the best lol. LG might be of help. I do notice that on a lot of threads lol. Maybe 3-5 comments and 100+ views.
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TH4N1X said:
Hey. Just got my new LG G5, but I've noticed something weird. Namely, when I tap the middle of my screen it sounds and feels a bit different, like either the screen was raised there or there was nothing beneath it. I'm wondering if I'm the only one experiencing it.
EDIT: The best test is to repeatedly start tapping it in the middle in a quiet surroundings and then move to edges and say if you can hear and feel the difference.
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I have the same problem but the noise is slightly different but not too different unless you're trying hard to hear it. How severe is this problem for you?
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No screen protector, but maybe it's because of the modular build? It makes sense that it wouldn't sound so hollow near the edges, since the phone has something underneath it there, whereas beneath the middle of the screen there's only a battery, which is removable, so it might not be just built too well. I suppose that I should ask LG themselves about it. Anyway, thanks for your comment.
Sidenote: Got 60 views and no votes and only one comment... Is this forum only browsed by bots or what?
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You may want to consider the fact that other people viewing this thread have no such issue with their handset and have no input to give? The obvious solution would be to send it back to LG if you are unhappy with it...or..live with it?
It does not appear to be an issue with the actual functioning of the handset though..
My G5 actually makes some strange noise when you shake it. Kind of like something went loose.
But it only happens when one specific battery unit is inserted.
I didn't measure the the thickness but I assume it's related the little difference in thickness of these batteries I have.
Hope this might help.
Anarchist77 said:
You may want to consider the fact that other people viewing this thread have no such issue with their handset and have no input to give? The obvious solution would be to send it back to LG if you are unhappy with it...or..live with it?
It does not appear to be an issue with the actual functioning of the handset though..
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If they don't have the issue then they can simply vote "no" in the poll.
ReVanTis said:
My G5 actually makes some strange noise when you shake it. Kind of like something went loose.
But it only happens when one specific battery unit is inserted.
I didn't measure the the thickness but I assume it's related the little difference in thickness of these batteries I have.
Hope this might help.
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That would make sense. They might have left some space there in case the battery is thicker, so that it wouldn't get stuck.
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I have the same problem but the noise is slightly different but not too different unless you're trying hard to hear it. How severe is this problem for you?
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If I'm in quite surroundings I can clearly hear the difference. I don't notice it that much when I'm in a busy place.
Hi, I have a Z3C and the problem is that my touchscreen now is busted, though I can still use it by rotating the screen.
It started on the upper extremities of the LCD, I became annoyed and tried the "lighter fix" for LG G2, which didn't work great for me. Touchscreen got way worse, wtf am i expecting applying 3k volts of static electricity.
I'm torn between replacing the screen or getting a z5c instead. Though my z3c somewhat slows down now, it is still usable and OK for me.
I know that if i replace my LCD, it will not be as good as before, so I'm thinking about that.
And if I get a z5c, i don't know the little issues, or if they were resolved with .11 update. Even small physical build issues concern me and I can't find a comprehensive list of issues. Also, screen replacement will cost me just around 20% of a new z5c unit, or maybe i could get a 2nd hand one.
Please share your thoughts, should I go for z5c? Or other brands (around 4.7 inches also)? Or screen replacement?
Thanks!
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Hi, I have a Z3C and the problem is that my touchscreen now is busted, though I can still use it by rotating the screen.
It started on the upper extremities of the LCD, I became annoyed and tried the "lighter fix" for LG G2, which didn't work great for me. Touchscreen got way worse, wtf am i expecting applying 3k volts of static electricity.
I'm torn between replacing the screen or getting a z5c instead. Though my z3c somewhat slows down now, it is still usable and OK for me.
I know that if i replace my LCD, it will not be as good as before, so I'm thinking about that.
And if I get a z5c, i don't know the little issues, or if they were resolved with .11 update. Even small physical build issues concern me and I can't find a comprehensive list of issues. Also, screen replacement will cost me just around 20% of a new z5c unit, or maybe i could get a 2nd hand one.
Please share your thoughts, should I go for z5c? Or other brands (around 4.7 inches also)? Or screen replacement?
Thanks!
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I dont really know how did you get to a conclution on little bugs of z5c? has no bugs whatso ever , in fact go watch youtube videos about it , most of the known youtubers like linus concider the Z5C the best compact phone out there ...
also replacing a screen in its own manufacture is not wrong or bad and they wouldnt put a bad screen or "not as good" I could be wrong , but I already replaced my older phone Z2 screen twice and I didnt see any difference...
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I dont really know how did you get to a conclution on little bugs of z5c? has no bugs whatso ever , in fact go watch youtube videos about it , most of the known youtubers like linus concider the Z5C the best compact phone out there ...
also replacing a screen in its own manufacture is not wrong or bad and they wouldnt put a bad screen or "not as good" I could be wrong , but I already replaced my older phone Z2 screen twice and I didnt see any difference...
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Well every phone out there has issues, some of them can be found only with everyday use. I've heard overheating, screen self crack and bad battery performance for z5c. But overheating and bad battery performance can be fixed with software, but not the screen cracking.. I think you get the point. Those little quirks.
About the LCD replacement, most of those comes from china. And I've seen so many issues with friends with replacement screens (non-OEM). This ranges from low brightness, touch responsiveness, bad color reproduction to flat-out touch failure in 3 weeks after installment. Yeah, so I'm quite worried about that since technicians will have different prices for "replacement", "class A" and "original" (original but not OEM, wtf).
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Well every phone out there has issues, some of them can be found only with everyday use. I've hear overheating, screen self crack.
About the LCD replacement, most of those comes from china. And I've seen so many issues with friends with replacement screens (non-OEM). This ranges from low brightness, touch responsiveness, bad color reproduction to flat-out touch failure in 3 weeks after installment. Yeah, so I'm quite worried about that since technicians will have different prices for "replacement", "class A" and "original" (original but not OEM, wtf).
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I dont know how it works in your country ( I dont know where youre from either lol) if you send your phone to its original manufacture in your own country and pay them lots of money to fix it they should install original and if its not like that then buy the z5c if you want , seriously check youtube videos about it from well known youtubers its the best besides some times over heating in high level of usage (like gaming etc...)
I believe there to be a serious component issue with the touchscreen panel of the Z3C, "gate" level serious. There's way too high a percentage of people reporting touchscreens that die right after the 1 year mark, just out of warranty. Getting a replacement just means that it will most likely die again after a year or so, because it's the same faulty component, and (at least here in my country) they don't guarantee waterproofing after repairs which is really unacceptable after asking for around $130 in repair fees. Not to mention that it's obviously a flaw with Sony hardware, but they deny it and refuses to take responsibility, so the cost of repair is passed on to the victims, us.
Coming from Z3C, you will find the battery life of the Z5C disappointing, even with moderate to light use. Then there's the problem of the POS S810, so the phone is constantly throttling and overheating. It's really a shame, because I otherwise think the gorgeous design of the Z5C is the pinnacle of the Omnibalance language. There are real noticeable improvements to many of the small quirks I had with my Z3C, like the overly rounded edges that eats into my fingers with prolonged handling, non-exposed USB port, dual speaker cutouts that are really dust holders (Z5C elegantly placed them at the edges)... etc. Whether the trade-offs are worth it are based on your personal usage habits and wish list.
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I believe there to be a serious component issue with the touchscreen panel of the Z3C, "gate" level serious. There's way too high a percentage of people reporting touchscreens that die right after the 1 year mark, just out of warranty. Getting a replacement just means that it will most likely die again after a year or so, because it's the same faulty component, and (at least here in my country) they don't guarantee waterproofing after repairs which is really unacceptable after asking for around $130 in repair fees. Not to mention that it's obviously a flaw with Sony hardware, but they deny it and refuses to take responsibility, so the cost of repair is passed on to the victims, us.
Coming from Z3C, you will find the battery life of the Z5C disappointing, even with moderate to light use. Then there's the problem of the POS S810, so the phone is constantly throttling and overheating. It's really a shame, because I otherwise think the gorgeous design of the Z5C is the pinnacle of the Omnibalance language. There are real noticeable improvements to many of the small quirks I had with my Z3C, like the overly rounded edges that eats into my fingers with prolonged handling, non-exposed USB port, dual speaker cutouts that are really 2 dust holders (Z5C elegantly placed them at the edges)... etc. Whether the trade-offs are worth it are based on your personal usage habits and wish list.
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Though i'm turned off by the larger besel of z5c
Also, there is no magnetic charging which should be a main selling point IMHO.
But is the throttling and overheating solved by the update or custom rom? Pls link me to the POS S810 issue, i dont know what that is.
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Though i'm turned off by the larger besel of z5c
Also, there is no magnetic charging which should be a main selling point IMHO.
But is the throttling and overheating solved by the update or custom rom? Pls link me to the POS S810 issue, i dont know what that is.
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Larger bezel? Do you mean the slightly more disproportionate top and bottom bezels due to the lower screen placement compared to the Z3C? Because both are literally the same in screen size with nearly identical length and width dimensions.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Sony-Xperia-Z3-Compact,Sony-Xperia-Z5-Compact/phones/8744,9611
I've been using the Z5C for 8 months, and I've never been bothered by or noticed the display being lower. And that's coming from more than a year of use of Z3C, and the Z1C before that, which were both more symmetrical.
Initially I was also disappointed with the exclusion of the magnetic port, but only a few weeks in and I haven't missed it since. Having the exposed USB port at the center bottom really helps, and I favor having a seamless edge that again doesn't eat into my skin over the convenience of a charging port that only sees use when I'm not using the phone, which as I mentioned is rendered moot by the ease of access of the USB port. I bought a DK-52 dock for charging and never had problems docking it with ease, although I had imagined it would be problematic.
As for "POS S810", I mean "piece of **** Snapdragon 810" SoC. See here: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/in-depth-with-the-snapdragon-810s-heat-problems/
Or you can Google around "snapdragon 810 overheat", in short this silicon is ****. Sony's done their best (arguably the best out of all manufacturers) to mitigate the impact, but in the end there's only so much you can do to workaround an inherently poor hardware design.
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As for the question of throttling and overheating solved by updates, there doesn't seem to be a decisive or conclusive evidence of that. With each new update, it seems there's always people reporting better battery/improved thermal alongside people saying it's worse or no change. Yes, there are mods/ROMs claiming to fix the battery and heat issues, whether or not they actually make a difference is more of a personal usage thing, you have to try them out for yourself and see if they work for you.
It may sound like I'm hating on the Z5C, but on the contrary I actually love my Z5C. It's just that after using the Z3C, high expectations have been set but the Z5C failed to deliver on some accounts, mainly the battery and thermal issues. Otherwise, I genuinely felt it was a worthy upgrade over the Z3C. I've come to accept that I won't be getting the same outstanding battery performance of the Z3C, but that's not to say that it isn't great on its own merits. Also consider that the Z3 series are pretty much dead since they're not getting official Android 7.0 support, while the Z5 series are still on the upgrade list, albeit now at the lowest priority compared to the more recent models.
So to sum it up, I don't think it's worth investing in a screen replacement that may still break after a year, not to mention potentially losing the waterproofing. The Z5C may be the next logical step after the Z3C, but has problems of its own. You need to decide if the drawbacks are worth it. At least it's been a little over a year since the phone's release, and there seems to be no (mass) reports of dying touchscreens. Yet. So it's got that going for it, which is something I suppose.
This phone is still very good despite its few hiccups. It over heats when shooting long videos or playing graphic-heavy games (many phones will over heat too), i dont know z3c battery life but with my z5 i get minimum 5rs sot wen browsing the web, minimum 4hrs when playing plants vs zombies heroes, minimum 4hrs streaming videos, on light useage i get minimum 2days... Remember i say minimum.
The camera is not great on low light conditions but it is superb in daylight. Its performance is snappy, water resistance is not a gimmick, speaker volume is loud enough although i was not impressed with headphone volume n sound until i installed another app.
The phone is worth it, not perfect though.
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Larger bezel? Do you mean the slightly more disproportionate top and bottom bezels due to the lower screen placement compared to the Z3C? Because both are literally the same in screen size with nearly identical length and width dimensions.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Sony-Xperia-Z3-Compact,Sony-Xperia-Z5-Compact/phones/8744,9611
I've been using the Z5C for 8 months, and I've never been bothered by or noticed the display being lower. And that's coming from more than a year of use of Z3C, and the Z1C before that, which were both more symmetrical.
Initially I was also disappointed with the exclusion of the magnetic port, but only a few weeks in and I haven't missed it since. Having the exposed USB port at the center bottom really helps, and I favor having a seamless edge that again doesn't eat into my skin over the convenience of a charging port that only sees use when I'm not using the phone, which as I mentioned is rendered moot by the ease of access of the USB port. I bought a DK-52 dock for charging and never had problems docking it with ease, although I had imagined it would be problematic.
As for "POS S810", I mean "piece of **** Snapdragon 810" SoC. See here: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/in-depth-with-the-snapdragon-810s-heat-problems/
Or you can Google around "snapdragon 810 overheat", in short this silicon is ****. Sony's done their best (arguably the best out of all manufacturers) to mitigate the impact, but in the end there's only so much you can do to workaround an inherently poor hardware design.
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As for the question of throttling and overheating solved by updates, there doesn't seem to be a decisive or conclusive evidence of that. With each new update, it seems there's always people reporting better battery/improved thermal alongside people saying it's worse or no change. Yes, there are mods/ROMs claiming to fix the battery and heat issues, whether or not they actually make a difference is more of a personal usage thing, you have to try them out for yourself and see if they work for you.
It may sound like I'm hating on the Z5C, but on the contrary I actually love my Z5C. It's just that after using the Z3C, high expectations have been set but the Z5C failed to deliver on some accounts, mainly the battery and thermal issues. Otherwise, I genuinely felt it was a worthy upgrade over the Z3C. I've come to accept that I won't be getting the same outstanding battery performance of the Z3C, but that's not to say that it isn't great on its own merits. Also consider that the Z3 series are pretty much dead since they're not getting official Android 7.0 support, while the Z5 series are still on the upgrade list, albeit now at the lowest priority compared to the more recent models.
So to sum it up, I don't think it's worth investing in a screen replacement that may still break after a year, not to mention potentially losing the waterproofing. The Z5C may be the next logical step after the Z3C, but has problems of its own. You need to decide if the drawbacks are worth it. At least it's been a little over a year since the phone's release, and there seems to be no (mass) reports of dying touchscreens. Yet. So it's got that going for it, which is something I suppose.
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OK, I'm getting a Z5C tomorrow LOL. What I'm saying about the bezels is that the large bezel at the top is turning me off somewhat (I think z3c has the perfect size), but that is just me nit-picking on stuff, it doesn't really matter on daily use.
About the USB port, I'm just scared of it physically breaking, or just being lose or having bad metal contact. I had this problem before so I'm kinda always worried about ports which are like usb. On the other hand, the magnetic charging just holds the cable and the phone with a magnet, so I don't need to worry that I may damage it when someone accidentally applies force the wrong way to the cable/phone. BTW I did not use the dock on Z3C, just some cheap magnetic cable. Anyway that is fine I can live without it.
Another thing, I read in gsmarena that the usb port has a waterproof coating so that it can be submerged in water? Got any more info on that? Just curious here.
BTW my Z3C now is not water-proof anymore since I went full retard (I squeezed the phone while under water, destroyed the mic, so I got it fixed).
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This phone is still very good despite its few hiccups. It over heats when shooting long videos or playing graphic-heavy games (many phones will over heat too), i dont know z3c battery life but with my z5 i get minimum 5rs sot wen browsing the web, minimum 4hrs when playing plants vs zombies heroes, minimum 4hrs streaming videos, on light useage i get minimum 2days... Remember i say minimum.
The camera is not great on low light conditions but it is superb in daylight. Its performance is snappy, water resistance is not a gimmick, speaker volume is loud enough although i was not impressed with headphone volume n sound until i installed another app.
The phone is worth it, not perfect though.
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I think heating when using phone (games, browser, video) is normal. Is that is what supposed to be the overheating issue? My z3c heats up when using chrome too, and that is fine with me. What is not fine is like when I'm just reading an ebook or just calling then it heats like crazy. I just use my phone for texts, calls, ebook, RSS feeds, some browsing.
Camera is also fine with me, I'm not really a picture-everywhere guy, I rarely use it so its just a plus =).
The exposed USB port is waterproof, that's the great thing about it. Just don't use it while under water or after it's been submerged in water, you still need to let it dry out. So with the Z5C, unless you're frequently changing SIM or microSD cards, the only flap will stay closed for like 99% of its lifetime and the chance of it being water damaged due to the flap becoming worn and torn or improperly closed is minimal.
All phones get warm when you're executing high load tasks, but it can get borderline melting with S810 phones. Seriously, in certain situations it can get really uncomfortable to hold, no to mention there's the throttling to prevent it from self destructing, so you'd also be experiencing degraded performance while handling a hot brick. It won't happen with casual phone calls, browsing, texting, snapping a photo or two... but if you're doing intensive stuff like playing heavily encoded videos or resource hungry games, you'll feel the heat and see some stuttering thanks to the throttling. A personal experience, I once tried viewing an anime in 1080p that's probably encoded with advanced codecs on my Z5C, after a few minutes it starting burning my hands and became unwatchable, lagging like crazy. No doubt it's because the decoder and real time down-scaling of the resolution to 720p needed full processing power.
With your usage though, you will probably rarely experience it. Might get lucky if you loaded up a poorly optimized rich media website or something, but not likely.
A new z3c is.the best option. Z5c lags a lot because of 810.
I got my z5c.
Z3C looks a lot more better aesthetically. But, oh well, thanks for the replies!
wakoko79 said:
I got my z5c.
Z3C looks a lot more better aesthetically. But, oh well, thanks for the replies!
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I'll agree with that. The Z5C's slightly bigger top bezel does bug me, or at least did when I still had my Z3C and could see them side-by-side. It's also slightly more boring looking than the Z3C. Other than that, though, I think the Z5C is far more comfortable to hold than the Z3C, and I haven't noticed mine lagging any more than the Z3C did. After flashing the X Compact's camera APK, the camera is also far more responsive, which is great when you have two little kids around like I do.
Same thing happened to my z3 compact and I replaced the digitizer/lcd myself with a kit. No problems except that months later, the screen started peeling up because of the stickers not holding fast. Finally decided to order an X Compact and returned it immediately. Just didn't like the look/feel.
I didn't want to buy another z3c so I purchased a z5c off of swappa. So far, I'm very happy with it. Still waiting to see how it does on battery life but the phone is beautiful. IMO, the best reason to upgrade from the z3c is the fingerprint scanner.
Damn!!!! I have the same problem with the z3c screen, and the same concerns: should i fix it or should i upgrade (of course to z5c, the only one who seems comparable)?
I have not decided yet... I really love my z3c
@ wakoko79 : what are your impressions of your new device? Especially battery and heat/lag.
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XDAmagic said:
Damn!!!! I have the same problem with the z3c screen, and the same concerns: should i fix it or should i upgrade (of course to z5c, the only one who seems comparable)?
I have not decided yet... I really love my z3c
@ wakoko79 : what are your impressions of your new device? Especially battery and heat/lag.
Thanks
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Lag lag lag and battery epic. As i said in the previous post, 810 epic fail.
smardu said:
Lag lag lag and battery epic. As i said in the previous post, 810 epic fail.
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Agreed. I previously owned a Z5C. I hated how much it heated doing simple tasks (browsing internet, updating apps, ...) they didn't need to be CPU intensive to get hot. I always felt a little uneasy that the heat would cause a battery failure if I let it get hot enough since the heat would run down the back side of the battery. It wouldn't be terribly hot but it was hotter than a phone should get. I then purchased an XC which has a "comparatively" powerful CPU and that thing barely ever gets warm and it has yet to get as hot as my Z5C did just updating 3 apps in a row.
I would have suggested an XC but the Z5C did well when using it. Congrats, I hope the Z5C roms can get that non-stock Camera figured out.
z3 was a great phone. i owned one but was broken so i upgraded. z5 c is similar but is a little faster to me. the camera options are improved and the z5c camera is better both front and back. Plus the z5c is 32g internal vs the z3c which is 16. z5c also has a finger print scanner that works great. z5c updates are going to be better than the z3c in my opinion. z5c gets warm but it's never really bothered me especially with a case.
z5c is hands down better.
I, like many others across the web (and some non-web silent ones) have experienced spider cracking of the camera glass for no apparent reason...didn't drop the phone...nothing else in the pocket...etc.
There seems to be a quality control issue with the camera glass that LG and Tmobile refuse to accept, and are putting the responsibility on the customer to pay for. This is incredibly, enormously, and exceedingly unfair.
Between both companies blaming us, and less than smart forum posters on the internet who don't understand what quality control is (some are bad, some are good...you probably got a good one...so chill)...I am looking to jump to another flagship sometime soon. Preferably one with a wide angle camera.
Sounds like a user error.
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Sounds like a user error.
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Sorry, but I disagree. The sheer amount of complaints I've read that are very similar, coupled with the fact this has been an issue on previous LG's leads me to believe it's a little more than user error.
Thankfully I seem to have one of the good ones, but for me LG should at least be investigating the issue further rather than fully blaming the consumers.
How do you know you have a good model without this default ?
DVC1985 said:
Sorry, but I disagree. The sheer amount of complaints I've read that are very similar, coupled with the fact this has been an issue on previous LG's leads me to believe it's a little more than user error.
Thankfully I seem to have one of the good ones, but for me LG should at least be investigating the issue further rather than fully blaming the consumers.
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Sounds like a user error.
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Spot on!
User error buying pi*ss poor engineering.
Rinzler said:
Spot on!
User error buying pi*ss poor engineering.
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Every new phone launches with some random issues. I just don't think this is anything widespread. Time will tell but the number of complaints on this topic seem minimal. In comparison look at the Galaxy S8 and the pink tint, the iPhone randomly shutting off at 40% or the pixels camera flare.
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I, like many others across the web (and some non-web silent ones) have experienced spider cracking of the camera glass for no apparent reason...didn't drop the phone...nothing else in the pocket...etc.
There seems to be a quality control issue with the camera glass that LG and Tmobile refuse to accept, and are putting the responsibility on the customer to pay for. This is incredibly, enormously, and exceedingly unfair.
Between both companies blaming us, and less than smart forum posters on the internet who don't understand what quality control is (some are bad, some are good...you probably got a good one...so chill)...I am looking to jump to another flagship sometime soon. Preferably one with a wide angle camera.
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Taking into consideration, the sheer quantity of handsets (USA Complaints) compared to other markets... How many people outside of the USA, have had genuine issues (No user carelessness) with their camera glass?
By general market sale proportion, obviously there will be more American complaints about build quality issues.. BUT.. as someone in Europe and having owned several LG handsets now.. I have never had any of the "common issues" commented on over the past few generations of LG handsets.. ?
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Every new phone launches with some random issues. I just don't think this is anything widespread. Time will tell but the number of complaints on this topic seem minimal. In comparison look at the Galaxy S8 and the pink tint, the iPhone randomly shutting off at 40% or the pixels camera flare.
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Exactly. Good luck to OP switching phones. Hope he doesn't get a S8 with red tint or any other flagship phone that all have a list of problems you can read about online.
This is all surely stirring the pot to be sure but how do we benefit from doing so? We have no objective idea of how widespread these issues are, so hard to comment beyond our personal opinions of what exactly is happening with the case of a cracked lens. It's up to each to decide I guess. Even harder to convince LG to open up about it given their past rep with QC.
I think the camera lens having more area and being flush with the case is bad design as "pretty" as it is.
Device durability seems to have been sacrified for features/aesthetics as of late, but this is not just LG. What is the point of having a pretty phone if you need an awkward case to protect the edges of the screen?
There isn't much choice either when it comes to Android flagships. Not like there used to be...
It is possible that a flaw in the glass crystal structure causing these problem, but it seems unlikely as not that Hugh amount of people is having this problem.
I've dropped my G6 about 18 inches down onto a granite surface plate at work without any problems lol. I don't think it's widespread.
It is a widespread issue and needs to be stopped
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I, like many others across the web (and some non-web silent ones) have experienced spider cracking of the camera glass for no apparent reason...didn't drop the phone...nothing else in the pocket...etc.
There seems to be a quality control issue with the camera glass that LG and Tmobile refuse to accept, and are putting the responsibility on the customer to pay for. This is incredibly, enormously, and exceedingly unfair.
Between both companies blaming us, and less than smart forum posters on the internet who don't understand what quality control is (some are bad, some are good...you probably got a good one...so chill)...I am looking to jump to another flagship sometime soon. Preferably one with a wide angle camera.
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Previously i posted about starting a petition or contacting media outlets as well as LG about the issue but got nothing but nonchalant comments in return. Something needs to be done about this issue now
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It is possible that a flaw in the glass crystal structure causing these problem, but it seems unlikely as not that Hugh amount of people is having this problem.
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A familiar theme that I've noticed with the complaints I've read is that they were taking photos a short while before they noticed the cracks. Could it be the flash or camera body overheating the glass? That heat combined with a little stress and pressure in a pocket could be the cause of most the problems.
DVC1985 said:
A familiar theme that I've noticed with the complaints I've read is that they were taking photos a short while before they noticed the cracks. Could it be the flash or camera body overheating the glass? That heat combined with a little stress and pressure in a pocket could be the cause of most the problems.
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Possible but very unlikely, the heat should never transfer to the camera glass in the first place. There is an empty between the glass and the camera and the flash.
I love it here, the most entertaining of the XDA forums I use.
Threads like this and the I-never-researched-before-buying-and-now-I'm-SO-pissed-there's-no-all-important-notification-LED are great to read through.
I love my V20
Just because there is a thread reporting camera glass problems with hundreds of replies doesn't equal a wide spread problem. The v20 had cases of this too I think it's likely a random issue with the quality.
Without g4 bootloop level exposure you aren't likely to get it fixed for free. It took literally over a year for LG to acknowledge the bootloop problem and that was only the g4 that was acknowledged.
The free repair on this issue was a hit and miss but reportedly LG covers this issue under the V10 and g4 past warranty.
You have to also look at it from LGs prospective, there are a select few that can't take responsibility for dropping their phone and will attempt to get fixed for free when it's their fault.
How is LG supposed to know that the camera lens magically cracked? Until there is enough reports sent in to put it on g4 bootloop level of exposure I am afraid you're unlikely to get a free replacement or repair.
I don't think the problem is false and I wouldn't blame you for being pissed but there is an unfortunate few that ruin it for the rest of us.
On that note TMobile is usually pretty good about exchanges, especially with the jump program. I was able to jump with a V10 still rooted without a problem. They're pretty lax compared to other carriers.
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No one is saying that quality issues shouldn't be brought to LG's attention. I think what most people who have responded are saying is that the "I got a phone that has a problem and I read on the internet that 10 other people had this problem some I'm done with said phone forever" comments are silly. All phones have a batch or 2 that have problems. Contact LG and get a replacement or move to another phone and hope you get one without problems. I will say LG's handling of the bootloop issue was poor but hopefully they've learned.