After looking at the Index thread, it seems as if Lollipop 5.1 is the latest version of Android that is safe for an HP Touchpad. Am I understanding this correctly?
Also, if I install that one, does it wipe out WebOS? I guess it doesn't matter if so because from what I'm reading, it's completely outdated and no longer supported. Also, I'm locked out and cannot remember the passcode anyway.
No version of Android is supported on the TouchPad, therefore there isn't a 'safe' version. You'd have most success updating to current (7.1.2+) firmwares. As a TouchPad modder, these versions are the fastest and most supported by Play Store. The initial process of installing 'moboot' for the first time can be daunting, so look into using which ever version of Android is used in jcullins' Toolbox tutorial. Once moboot and TWRP are installed, you can pretty much try whichever rom you want, as this device is near impossible to brick.
Good luck!
mrlaugh01 said:
No version of Android is supported on the TouchPad, therefore there isn't a 'safe' version. You'd have most success updating to current (7.1.2+) firmwares. As a TouchPad modder, these versions are the fastest and most supported by Play Store. The initial process of installing 'moboot' for the first time can be daunting, so look into using which ever version of Android is used in jcullins' Toolbox tutorial. Once moboot and TWRP are installed, you can pretty much try whichever rom you want, as this device is near impossible to brick.
Good luck!
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Can you please link me to a/the tutorial for the version you suggested?
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Can you please link me to a/the tutorial for the version you suggested?
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Try the below link which points to the updated guide on how to install Android on the HP Touchpad.
If you are a newbie on this stuff, you would be a good test on how well this guide is written and if it needs any tweaks to help people follow it with accuracy.
I mean I tested it myself, but I am a "seasoned veteran" LOL, I installed KitKat from this guide and also Nougat the version that was recommend to you. Its all there.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp...-guide-alternative-method-to-install-t3575861
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Try the below link which points to the updated guide on how to install Android on the HP Touchpad.
If you are a newbie on this stuff, you would be a good test on how well this guide is written and if it needs any tweaks to help people follow it with accuracy.
I mean I tested it myself, but I am a "seasoned veteran" LOL, I installed KitKat from this guide and also Nougat the version that was recommend to you. Its all there.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp...-guide-alternative-method-to-install-t3575861
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1) So I got it to install (Evervolv Nougat) and my feedback on the tutorial is that it's a bit of information overload. Not sure how easy it would be to simply it though.
2) I could not find a link for Boost (what is that?) or the Keyboard fix. Can you assist (assuming they can be installed retroactively)? The keyboard, for instance, works in Chrome but does not appear on the home screen when tapping the Google Search Bar.
3) And maybe this should be #1...but this Nougat seems to slow things down considerably. I tried installing the game Run Race 3D for instance and it was unplayable. Would an older Android version speed things up or am I just dealing with old hardware that can't keep up?
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1) So I got it to install (Evervolv Nougat) and my feedback on the tutorial is that it's a bit of information overload. Not sure how easy it would be to simply it though.
2) I could not find a link for Boost (what is that?) or the Keyboard fix. Can you assist (assuming they can be installed retroactively)? The keyboard, for instance, works in Chrome but does not appear on the home screen when tapping the Google Search Bar.
3) And maybe this should be #1...but this Nougat seems to slow things down considerably. I tried installing the game Run Race 3D for instance and it was unplayable. Would an older Android version speed things up or am I just dealing with old hardware that can't keep up?
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Hello AshleyQ,
Well along with the step by step, I added a bit of instruction. For example you said, "I could not find a link for Boost (what is that?) or the Keyboard fix." So I will add a little more "overload" of instruction for what Boost Optimized settings are, in my OP at a later date.
But as per your performance. The reason its slow is because you did not load the following ZIP's in the exact sequence the instructions say. I realize its because you could not find the links for boost and keyboard. If you go to HP_TOUCHPAD's "Master List of ZIPs" in the OP of the guide, or I put it below for convenience, you will see the green list below for Nougat 7.1.2, and find the links you were missing earlier.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp-touchpad/general/hp-touchpad-optimize-android-swap-t3901773
and once you click link, hit "page down" 3 times and it will get you to the "Master List of Zips"
Evervolv 7.1.2 Android Nougat
1.Click Here to Download the ROM
2.Click Here to Download the Boost Optimized settings with preset CPU Frequency
3.Click here to download Google Open Apps
Select Platform ARM, Android 7.1 and the Variant you want, Pico is recommended
4.Click Here to Download the Keyboard Fix
As per the Boost Settings always start with 1728, and after that is working good, you can try to flash a higher frequency for speed, and you don't have to re-flash everything just the Boost Zip ( like 1782, or 1836 ) file from TWRP recovery. If it freezes screen just go back and flash lower frequency.
So click each link in the OP, and download the said 4 ZIP files, and follow the Original Post again, with these 4 ZIP's ready to go!!! Do not do this retroactively, but start again from scratch.
And you will be able to play the "Run Race 3D" game!!
Look at this link below, a non-gamer like user HP_TOUCHPAD from Florida, played the game Hearthstone!!! I believe you will be able to play "Run Race 3D", but we would love to hear how your results go, and we will be here to help you get a smooth running touchpad that is 100% Android, with SWAP!!!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp-touchpad/general/how-to-play-hearthstone-blizzard-t3924170
@HP_TOUCHPAD
Using these downloads from your Master List of Zips, and running my install method.
AshleyQ the OP'er wants to play Run Race 3D game. Now I am not a gamer at all, but you tried with Hearthstone so I will try now, when I download Run Race 3D game I get the attached errors. But I can run YouTube fine, everything seems fine until I run that game ( Run Race 3D ). What are these errors telling you? I waited till SWAP was over 400 Mb, and I used various boost files, first 1782, 1836 and 1728, but with no luck.
I should point out that I had about 10 minutes where I was running the game with smoothness and doing the jumps and winning the races, but then HP Touchpad started to get sluggish with little mini freezes and it threw my timing of the jumps off and I started to lose, then the error came.
Evervolv 7.1.2 Android Nougat
1.Click Here to Download the ROM
2.Click Here to Download the Boost Optimized settings with preset CPU Frequency
3.Click here to download Google Open Apps
Select Platform ARM, Android 7.1 and the Variant you want, Pico is recommended
4.Click Here to Download the Keyboard Fix
p.s. the 2nd pic is kind of hard to read, I just wanted to show that I ran "running services" and it shows 558 MB of SWAP.
DoubleStuff said:
@HP_TOUCHPAD
Using these downloads from your Master List of Zips, and running my install method.
AshleyQ the OP'er wants to play Run Race 3D game. Now I am not a gamer at all, but you tried with Hearthstone so I will try now, when I download Run Race 3D game I get the attached errors. But I can run YouTube fine, everything seems fine until I run that game ( Run Race 3D ). What are these errors telling you? I waited till SWAP was over 400 Mb, and I used various boost files, first 1782, 1836 and 1728, but with no luck.
In the Developers options --.>> Running Services shows Device Memory been use but does not show the swap.
The FREE in gray color shows the available free RAM, but is not the size of the swap file, for example the system can report 485 MB Free RAM and only use 60 MB of swap.
The best way to see how much swap is been use is by connecting the Tablet to PC using usb, open a terminal window and using adb shell then type
free -h
I should point out that I had about 10 minutes where I was running the game with smoothness and doing the jumps and winning the races, but then HP Touchpad started to get sluggish with little mini freezes and it threw my timing of the jumps off and I started to lose, then the error came.
Keep in mind that the free version of this game have Ads, that is a service that is running in the background and when is time to display the ads is another process getting activated. Android is constantly launching background process it does not seem to care if the device is been use, it will take priority.
Evervolv 7.1.2 Android Nougat
1.Click Here to Download the ROM
2.Click Here to Download the Boost Optimized settings with preset CPU Frequency
3.Click here to download Google Open Apps
Select Platform ARM, Android 7.1 and the Variant you want, Pico is recommended
4.Click Here to Download the Keyboard Fix
p.s. the 2nd pic is kind of hard to read, I just wanted to show that I ran "running services" and it shows 558 MB of SWAP.
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The reason that I mentioned to wait until it shows 400 MB of free RAM (is not swap) is that Android finishes launching all process and the system is finally "IDLE", it takes that long for Android to finally settle and the Tablet ready to be use..
I just installed the Game, it only took about 73 MB of swap space, but I am testing on DU 9 using completely different settings. I am not a gamer, but it looks very simple, graphics are minimal, it does shows a lot of ads and even launching the Play store to install more games. The issues that I am having is that there is no minimal specification for any App, it only shows the Android version and it will depend on the Device. It will help if an App shows the minimal RAM requirement to run, then the settings can be apply to provide that amount, but is all about guessing. I am not done testing my next settings, I will use this game as a tester.
I applied some settings and tried the game and I won! is very easy to play on the Tablet with a bigger screen but it could be a real challenge on smartphone.
Attached is the screenshot of my victory.
Is work in progress, but the game should play with no issues once I finish the settings.
So what do you guys recommend that I do? I just used Run Race 3d as an example of the sluggishness and really just want an Android version and setup that will give me the best overall (meaning fastest) performance...with games/browsing/etc.
HP_TOUCHPAD said:
I applied some settings and tried the game and I won! is very easy to play on the Tablet with a bigger screen but it could be a real challenge on smartphone.
Attached is the screenshot of my victory.
Is work in progress, but the game should play with no issues once I finish the settings.
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Congratulations on the RR3D win! I won a few times myself and the man did a little dance on the screen, but then my HPTP got sluggish and I kept crashing into the walls because when I pressed the screen the man would not jump like I told it too. In fact my setup got to the point I could not even take a screenshot it was too sluggish.
But if @ashleyquicik is reading this, please be patient it seems like HP_TOUCHPAD is working on some Universal performance settings that will work for all ROMs, past present and future. In the meantime you could load JC Sullins KitKat 4.4 ROM you will find that link in the 2nd Master List of zips ( RolandD's ) on below install method. I find for YouTube and Podcast apps this current version of Nougat is fine, but once I start playing "Run Race 3D" it gets sluggish. Be sure to follow directions in flashing the ZIP's in order.
HP_TOUCHPAD is now using the Run Race 3D game as a testing app, so you can be sure sooner or later this game will be working, not to win at the game, but to win and beat the sluggishness!!
This is the classic case of MAN vs. MACHINE!!!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp...-guide-alternative-method-to-install-t3575861
DoubleStuff said:
Congratulations on the RR3D win! I won a few times myself and the man did a little dance on the screen, but then my HPTP got sluggish and I kept crashing into the walls because when I pressed the screen the man would not jump like I told it too. In fact my setup got to the point I could not even take a screenshot it was too sluggish.
After the first stage of the game was over and I selected to play again, then what seems to be an Advertisement came up, but it was only a black screen, then the image show trying to trick me on touching to install another game, there was no way of getting out of it, then the Play store got launch by itself and then I had to close both. There is a difference when you the user open many apps and place them on the background and when two apps are running at same time, is too much to ask for a 1GB RAM device.
But if @ashleyquicik is reading this, please be patient it seems like HP_TOUCHPAD is working on some Universal performance settings that will work for all ROMs, past present and future. In the meantime you could load JC Sullins KitKat 4.4 ROM you will find that link in the 2nd Master List of zips ( RolandD's ) on below install method. I find for YouTube and Podcast apps this current version of Nougat is fine, but once I start playing "Run Race 3D" it gets sluggish. Be sure to follow directions in flashing the ZIP's in order.
I will provide the settings but I do not want to send the wrong signal as it will allow for any apps, specially games to play. Android's apps are extremely buggy even on the stock devices, just search for an issue and you will find how many users are experiencing the problem and none are related to the HP TP, just regular devices.
HP_TOUCHPAD is now using the Run Race 3D game as a testing app, so you can be sure sooner or later this game will be working, not to win at the game, but to win and beat the sluggishness!!
As you have tested yourself the game will play, you won. It is a very basic game with low graphics., but it provides HUGE Ads and also any other apps that you have installed on the Tablet will impact performance. The sluggishness comes as background services that becomes active, that is why as soon as you connect the Tablet to WiFi, it will slow down, just check Running Services and you see them all, opening and closing plus the google apps updates, it will happen even if the CPU is at full capacity and low ram available, is the way Android works.
This is the classic case of MAN vs. MACHINE!!!
I will call it MAN vs Google!
Here is the explanation for that, I will try to keep it short.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp...-guide-alternative-method-to-install-t3575861
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Android Apps are written in Java, Google does not want to pay license feeds as is offering the OS for free and making revenue on the data it collect from the devices for Ads placement, each device is a Digital Billboard that Google charge for displaying time to companies promoting their services or products.
If you have experience running a Virtual Machine on the Desktop, then it should be easy to understand the concept. Android apps are running inside an open source virtual machine " Dalvik" to run the java code and be display on the screen. To virtualize an OS on the desktop if the PC has 6 GB of RAM, and the guess OS requires a minimum of 4 GB to run, then it must be configure and there will only be 2GB left on the Host OS. Then the speed will degrade for low RAM resources and the HOST can not be use for nothing else. Once the Guess OS has done its job, it can be close down and the Host OS will function normally. But if the correct amount of RAM is not allocated to the Guess it will not boot, or shutdown. That is the same that happen in HP TP with Android, and those settings are apply manually in the build.prop by the manufacture. Everything in Android must be configure manually as the OS is too basic and primitive all settings are device specific according to screen resolution, size and amount of RAM ( Memory ).
Hopefully I explained it or compare it, easy to understand.
HP_TOUCHPAD said:
Android Apps are written in Java, Google does not want to pay license feeds as is offering the OS for free and making revenue on the data it collect from the devices for Ads placement, each device is a Digital Billboard that Google charge for displaying time to companies promoting their services or products.
If you have experience running a Virtual Machine on the Desktop, then it should be easy to understand the concept. Android apps are running inside an open source virtual machine " Dalvik" to run the java code and be display on the screen. To virtualize an OS on the desktop if the PC has 6 GB of RAM, and the guess OS requires a minimum of 4 GB to run, then it must be configure and there will only be 2GB left on the Host OS. Then the speed will degrade for low RAM resources and the HOST can not be use for nothing else. Once the Guess OS has done its job, it can be close down and the Host OS will function normally. But if the correct amount of RAM is not allocated to the Guess it will not boot, or shutdown. That is the same that happen in HP TP with Android, and those settings are apply manually in the build.prop by the manufacture. Everything in Android must be configure manually as the OS is too basic and primitive all settings are device specific according to screen resolution, size and amount of RAM ( Memory ).
Hopefully I explained it or compare it, easy to understand.
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So having said that...and to sort of reiterate some of what I wrote in my last post, what is arguably the best ROM/procedure to have the best overall performance?
ashleyquicik said:
So having said that...and to sort of reiterate some of what I wrote in my last post, what is arguably the best ROM/procedure to have the best overall performance?
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It all depends of the intended use from the user.
Does it needs to have a working:
Bluetooth ?
Reliable WiFi ?
Camera ?
Android compatibility with a special App ?
Android Versions are different and that sets the ROM apart, it will not be comparing Apples to Apples from different versions.
If you check my guide I have optimized 7.1.2, 8.1 and 9 to use swap and all those three versions works very similar.
One of the reason that I will be doing an Universal Setting and retro-fit older ROM, is to show that the Tablet will work similar with different ROMs.
I should probably make a version that is completely optimized only for games, that will required to delete unnecessary Android system process and RAM could be about 600 MB Free.
Does it needs to have a working:
Bluetooth ? Yes
Reliable WiFi ? YES
Camera ? Yes
Games really aren't necessary because I'm giving this tablet to someone that won't be gaming.
ashleyquicik said:
Does it needs to have a working:
Bluetooth ? Yes
Reliable WiFi ? YES
Camera ? Yes
Games really aren't necessary because I'm giving this tablet to someone that won't be gaming.
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I started reading your thread from the beginning as I though that it was all about the 3d racer game.
You have a Tablet that would like to give to someone that has WebOS installed and also another Android version on it, which is 7.1.2 and you found it to be slow.
My recommendations for a newest ROM is the same as everyone on here recommended Evervolv 7.1.2 Android Nougat. You could use older ROMs but some basic apps may not work.
Previously @DoubleStuff provided the information on how to installed Evervolv 7.1.2 and also provided the link to my guide that with instructions.
If you flashed the Automatic_Wipe_All, then the Tablet is 100 % Android with swap and WebOS is gone, which will provide more storage space on the Tablet.
As per my guide the proper way to flash all the zip files provided is as follow:
Evervolv 7.1.2 Android Nougat
1.Click Here to Download the ROM
2.Click Here to Download the Boost Optimized settings with preset CPU Frequency
3.Click here to download Google Open Apps
Select Platform ARM, Android 7.1 and the Variant you want, Pico is recommended
4.Click Here to Download the Keyboard Fix
The Boost optimized settings link (2) will give you the option to download 5 different CPU frequency, start with 1728 after you set up the tablet then try a higher speed, the fastest is 1836, if the Tablet boot into Android after flashing 1836 and use some apps and does not freeze then keep using it, if it reboots or freeze then flash 1782 if still not stable keep flashing lower frequencies.
To have a properly working camera, install this app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera&hl=en_US
If you have any issues just ask.
ashleyquicik said:
Does it needs to have a working:
Bluetooth ? Yes
Reliable WiFi ? YES
Camera ? Yes
Games really aren't necessary because I'm giving this tablet to someone that won't be gaming.
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Well as I talked about in another thread where HP_TOUCHPAD wants to start retrofitting old ROM's with SWAP and Universal boost settings, there is a ROM that most agree is the "greatest ROM of all time", but its an old version of Android called KitKat 4.4.4 by JC Sullins and you can find the link here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2712680
Now one version later Lollipop 5.1 ( or 12.1 CM ) this same developer JC Sullins created a Lollipop ROM, that HP_TOUCHPAD is working on retrofitting: As @HP_TOUCHPAD said in a previous thread about this retrofit.
"...I Applied all optimization to CM 12.1, but testing. The only problem that I am experiencing is if I open about 8 to 9 apps and then press the square, next to home, it will reboot. I do not know if is the ROM or my settings.
But overall works great with swap. Will be posting new optimized settings, soon...." -HP_TOUCHPAD
And if I am not mistaken he may have finished it, but its not posted yet in his MASTER ZIP's list
What I recommend you do AshelyQ because its so easy and quick to install ROMs with our install methods, I would install KitKat above and test it for a day or two, then install another one maybe 7.1.2 and again test it, and maybe even another. And then you can pick the one you think meets you or your friends needs the best and stick with that ROM.
I am going to install HP_TOUCHPAD's retrofitted Lollipop ROM ( when HP_TOUCHPAD posts the settings ) and try to run "Run Race 3D" on it....I will report back with my findings.
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To have a properly working camera, install this app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera&hl=en_US
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Hmm ... I still get critical camera errors, even with the Open Camera app, even after a couple of reboots.
Do Not Touch said:
Hmm ... I still get critical camera errors, even with the Open Camera app, even after a couple of reboots.
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The stock camera App of 7.1.2 works, but colors and orientation shows incorrectly, but it works on Open Camera.
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I am going to install HP_TOUCHPAD's retrofitted Lollipop ROM ( when HP_TOUCHPAD posts the settings ) and try to run "Run Race 3D" on it....I will report back with my findings.
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Well I have not tested JC Sullins Lollipop ROM with Universal settings yet, but I just installed JC Sullins 4.4 without swap or any special settings, just the ROM and the GApps, and I am happy to report the "Run Race 3d" game went well, I made it to the BONUS Level and earned 146 coins with lots pomp and circumstance, and was getting adds everytime I completed a race, but I waited 5 seconds then pressed the "X" and things went well. So now I am very curious how these old "great" Android versions will work with HP TOUCHPAD'S Universal settings.
3 days ago I was not a gamer, but I guess I am now!!! LOL The HP Touchpad even had enough memory to take a screen shot.