Review from Engadget is up, and looks like most of it is good except low light performance of camera. Hope there is fix for this.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/30/zte-axon-7-review/#gallery=419900&slide=4003963&index=14
I'm still not sure why people seem so obsessed with low light camera performance. When I look at my album, less than 5% of the pictures are of low light scenes. I'm not going to let such a menial metric determine whether or not I buy this.
Adiyel said:
I'm still not sure why people seem so obsessed with low light camera performance. When I look at my album, less than 5% of the pictures are of low light scenes. I'm not going to let such a menial metric determine whether or not I buy this.
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Doesn't matter what % you take in low light. low light pictures are the best how you know your camera is good.
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Adiyel said:
I'm still not sure why people seem so obsessed with low light camera performance. When I look at my album, less than 5% of the pictures are of low light scenes. I'm not going to let such a menial metric determine whether or not I buy this.
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If it takes good pictures in low light, then it will probably take great pictures in brighter conditions. Some of us take more pictures at night time, at concerts, or simply want the option to take better quality pictures.
Apropos camera quality, I've almost never liked my iPhone 6's low-light shots, but have absolutely no complaint about the other 98% of the times I take a picture during daylight. So in case you wanna measure it "as of worst case", sure, but I don't think there's a clear way to translate that performance directly to "quality". Specially for a tiny smartphone sensor without interchangable lens etc.
When it comes to the Axon 7's camera, exposure (pictures come out darker from what I've seen) and that grain I see in some pictures are the only "worries" I think I might have when I switch (currently waiting for UNKNOWN EU shipping dates). And both of those problems might as well be fixed via software.
MKBHD [1] said it a couple of times, nowadays we tend to measure smartphones by what's wrong with them, instead of what's right about them. So I understand, why people complain about a not so good low light camera performance.
But I'm with @Adiyel. It's the same for me, I almost never take photos in low light, so I don't care about low light camera performance.
[1] Quote from MKBHD's OnePlus 3 Review
Axon 7's low light photo results is the only con I know Axon 7 has at the moment....well.....beside the availability problem here in Europe at the moment.
We are judging phones from their flaws since if you see phones with relative similar price, you will start to compare the pros and cons. Since phones these days are already good, looking for their cons are the better comparison rather then going over their pros. In the end, you simply want a the best phone for your money.
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Axon 7's low light photo results is the only con I know Axon 7 has at the moment....well.....beside the availability problem here in Europe at the moment.
We are judging phones from their flaws since if you see phones with relative similar price, you will start to compare the pros and cons. Since phones these days are already good, looking for their cons are the better comparison rather then going over their pros. In the end, you simply want a the best phone for your money.
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Well then from both of you and Cypher's points of views, other phones don't have dual-facing speakers with DOLBY ATMOS AND High-End DAC, so all of them are out of the question. See? Not the best way to compare things...
I don't know about reviews and how it is done, but atleast in real life use I think camera is decent and this is coming from someone who have used Lumia 1520, iPhone 6 & LG G4 in past. My fiancé got same phone and we were texting back and forth on whatsapp yesterday and few selfie she sent in pitch black dark room with just the screen light looked pretty decent to me on my LG G4. If you go pixel peeping even you can find flaws with pics of D800 and 5D mk iii. I think when I get mine from B&H I'd not be upset with the camera atleast based upon what I saw yesterday.
Low light is an issue imo because night-life is a popular time to take pictures for a large amount of phone users. The majority of this forum might be married with kids and/or cave-dwellers but let's not rationalize away things that could use improvement.
macallik said:
Low light is an issue imo because night-life is a popular time to take pictures for a large amount of phone users. The majority of this forum might be married with kids and/or cave-dwellers but let's not rationalize away things that could use improvement.
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Yeah sure you can complain all you want. Was just throwing in my two cents, and I'm really sad that you won't be able to take great pictures in the dark, where you should be drinking and getting on with the girls instead Coming from a "cave-dweller".
P.S. People should check their upgraditis once in a while. 400 bucks get you this far, and I think you won't find so much more features, if any, in many other phones with the same price.
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Yeah sure you can complain all you want. Was just throwing in my two cents, and I'm really sad that you won't be able to take great pictures in the dark, where you should be drinking and getting on with the girls instead Coming from a "cave-dweller".
P.S. People should check their upgraditis once in a while. 400 bucks get you this far, and I think you won't find so much more features, if any, in many other phones with the same price.
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Night-life is about doing things at night, not just being in a bar/club.
Personally, I think the Axon 7 suits my needs greater than the OP3 (a similarly priced phone) in most ways. Photo quality is an area that the phone is being outperformed however.
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Low light is an issue imo because night-life is a popular time to take pictures for a large amount of phone users. The majority of this forum might be married with kids and/or cave-dwellers but let's not rationalize away things that could use improvement.
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No I'm not trying to rationalize low light performance. All I'm saying is what I've seen so far is good enough for my use, yes there is always room for improvement. But I don't see any other device in this price range with all this feature set giving any better low light pictures then what Axon 7 does at this period of time, There might be devices in future that will beat Axon 7 for price feature category. But at present I feel this is best value for your money. And with more RAM + more powerful processor - point I don't get is if you are not a gamer, does it really matter ?
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Low light is an issue imo because night-life is a popular time to take pictures for a large amount of phone users. The majority of this forum might be married with kids and/or cave-dwellers but let's not rationalize away things that could use improvement.
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I agree with this. Have you seen Linus Tech's review of the Axon? For night scenes, most people are rocking iPhones, Galaxies, LGs, and oddly enough, ZTE phones (4th largest in the USA). Only recent phones really have passable lowlight, and it's easy enough to spend a couple minutes in snapseed and make a night photo really usable.
I also think a problem our generation has is that we judge this phone's lowlight based on other phones, but its performance wouldn't change if these phones didn't exist (the 2016 galaxies).
Like the other guy said earlier, the performance is passable. And lowlight isn't an indication of how good a cam is...it's more indicative of how versatile and stable the performance is across different scenarios. Look at the TechRadar review, and look at the walkway scene. The Axon pulls in far more detail than the S7. Period. Lots of small pixels has a tradeoff for great daytime detail and performance. Large pixels and lower resolution has compromises, too.
Overall, the Axon does so many things right for so little money. How many phones can say that? How many offer what the Axon 7 does at or below is cost? The list is VERY small, trust me.
I would prefer an artificial light / indoor light review as I class that as low light. So many recent phones I have had are awful inside the house and loads of my photos are I doors with my children just having fun and of you want a camera test that would be a great one. Best phone so far including s7 and s7 Edge for taking photos of a baby bouncing in a bouncer is any of the Sony xperia Z range using timeshift burst. One click and an instant 40 photos (I think) 20 before shutter and 20 after now that's amazing at freezing moving images just a shame resolution was a little low and phones heat up) all the same it's a clever bit of software ahead of its time.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30COabYrr64
The colours are too saturated, the camera wobbles and skips just as much and the mic sounds poor compared.
Surely a software issue?
Have no clue what cnet is trying to do there but the actual quality is much better.
Sound recording is really impressive and the OIS is working well too as one can see in the following videos from xsever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loxDegj3fFE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ7pAF1JsWA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7AvFi08yNk
I want to see a video of him walking around, I'm seeing that weird jelly effect still in those though and he is only sitting or standing still and moving the camera side to side. The colours still look so fake........
Not the smooth video they showed in the press confs.
I will be shooting another video today with White Balance set to Daylight and as I walk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GBupRpL_3Io
Even they say the iPhone 5 cam is better.
Maybe some software related issues? Like allways when new phone comes out...
http://reviews.cnet.com/nokia-lumia-920/
Yeh cnet confirm the camera being overhyped in the review.
Good in low light, not as good in day time.
I really don't trust cnet. I seen the video and it looks like they were favoring the iphone 5. They went to 4 solo shots of the iphone 5 while they only had 2 for the lumia. I'll just have to wait on xserver to test it because his trying his best to provide everyone with a fair review.
Conspiracy: apple paying cnet
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Here are direct photo comparisons between different phones and the Lumia 920. The is part of a CNET review for the US version in their US office, which is more favorable of the camera.
http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-57...0-camera-vs-htc-windows-phone-8x-vs-iphone-5/
And more direct comparison picks from Slashgear
http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-lumia-920-pureview-camera-hands-on-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-01255193/
Frankly I can't decide whether this camera is good or bad based on these pictures. It wins some, but not by much. It can lose pretty bad though, especially with how unsharp and vague a lot of images look. It's not the winner Nokia was touting. Indoor shots are better in some instances, worse in others. Night shots are "brighter" but not necessarily better. I can edit the photos of a competing phone by turning up the gamma and get close to the same thing that Nokia produces. The smooth video also isn't as great as I once thought. It makes me nauseous, and details are still very lacking even if there isn't any major instances of blur.
The reviews on the phone are contradicting. The verge review shows great pictures, much better than cnet's or slashgears and their unit is not even on final software. The camera performance just doesn't seem consistant.
Well I'll judge myself when I get mine next week.
It seems to me Nokia focused too much on low light photos because the day time photos lack detail.
I added many more videos with different settings here: http://forums.wpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=200158
A Nokia French community member has confirmed on Twitter that there will be an camera update soon.
Actually, I'm very happy with my phone anyway
Hello guys,
DXOMark just released the review for the Pixel 3.
https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel3-camera-review/
Here is my reaction:
"This is a joke. Night-Mode: High Res always on (even without zoom), better image saturation, plus better HDR Quality. Meaning: Even better shots at daylight. AND it makes night images awesome.
DXOmark. Shame on you.
1. The Pixel 3 with always Night-Mode-Shots will easily score beyond 110+ - but obviously - we can't trust DXOmarks scores anymore. They do not show the full capability and power of a smartphone camera.
Also the comparison shots with the Pixel 2 zoom is NOT valid. Just get a port of the Pixel 3 camera api on your Pixel 2 and you will have the same super res zoom and the better zoom results, because it's just a software trick. And again, DXOmark proves that they are NOT consumer friendly. On the contrary.
Take a look at xda-developers, guys. There you can see the truth.
2. Shooting pictures with the Pixel 3 is a homerun, you point and click, easy. With other phones the chance of getting bad shots / blurry ones is alot higher if you are on the go or can't stop long enough to stand 100% still.
It doesn't matter which people I talk to, Pixel 3 users are always stunned by the quality of 99% of their pictures. The moment I turn to Samsung / Huawei / Apple users they still like their pictures, but do admit that they often have to delete images because of miserable shots.
These "pictures" here do not show the reallife - performance, because they are still images. But in the real life you do not stand still all the time. On the contrary. If you are on the move with your friends, you want to take your phone out, make a pictures quickly and be done with it. The Pixel 3 is your friend there.
3. Giving a score for video quality without offering comparison - videos (or any video material at all) is a joke.
You are giving us tabulars without any means of checking their validity. You guys should go and check out the German "Stiftung Warentest", the largest German consumer organisation comparing goods and services in an unbiased way. Their tests span dozens of pages and they enable self-testing.
Please take a note or two and improve your methods. They are NOT thorough.
All these factors MUST be taken into consideration at a smartphone camera test. But here.. they are not. Which means that this "review" is not comprehensive."
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Edit 21.02.2018 16:05 - I think they just deleted my criticism, it's not available anymore on the review - comment page. Well done.
I agree with you and i want to add another thing that DXOMark is missing. About all the smartphone have extra modes only aviable for the back camera (Night mode for p20 pro for example) while with the pixel 3 those modes are aviable also for the front camera. How this cannot be counted in a camera review!? I would say thay DXOMark is giving scores only under they restricted conditions and are not valid in general.
Well, didn't you remember Huawei in October saying they didn't want to "release the test" of the Mate 20 Pro because it would crush the competition?
Companies can dictate whether or not a review is being released?
lol.
Guess who pays DXOMark the most. Mine is apple.
I don't agree with everything you said. There are some valid points in that DXO review. From my experience, the pixel has some issues of underexposing and oversharpening. This might work well when taking pics of landscapes or objects but not on people. I'm not arguing that the pixel doesn't take great shots, it really does but not in every scenario. As far as night shot goes, it's a great feature but I haven't found much use for it as I would rarely switch to that mode unless I wanted to impress someone.
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I don't agree with everything you said. There are some valid points in that DXO review. From my experience, the pixel has some issues of underexposing and oversharpening. This might work well when taking pics of landscapes or objects but not on people. I'm not arguing that the pixel doesn't take great shots, it really does but not in every scenario. As far as night shot goes, it's a great feature but I haven't found much use for it as I would rarely switch to that mode unless I wanted to impress someone.
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Agreed, the whole point of DXO is to test the cameras auto mode performance. I would even argue they should stop considering portrait mode and zoom with secondary cameras to really level the playing field.
But the Pixel getting the highest video score shows how tests don't always align with people's preferences. Most would agree the Pixel video recording is just average to the consumer. And the pictures people love didn't get the highest score.
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Digital Trends did a great camera comparison and write up that you should all check out. Very fair and honest.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/best-smartphone-camera-of-2018/
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FYI
Digital Trends did a great camera comparison and write up that you should all check out. Very fair and honest.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/best-smartphone-camera-of-2018/
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A good review, and I agreed with their picks for most categories.
What I found 'unfair' is the bokeh shot comparison (PORTRAIT MODE: TSUKIJI MARKET), where their complaint about the Pixel 3 was linked to a person the in the background positioned in the worst possible space for the AI to effectively do its work. If you compare the shot by the Pixel with the others, none of the photos include an object between the model's hand and her face, except for the Pixel (and to a much lower extent, the LG V40, displaying similar cutout mistake). Such 'obstructions' handicap faux-bokeh software significantly. The reviewers also fail to comment on the messed up skewer on the iPhone XS Max - they only noted this for the iPhone XR.
Otherwise I think it's a very fair review, and the Pixel deservedly wins overall.
Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Samsung Galaxy Note 10+, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
So perhaps this review might be slightly contradictory to my other thread (Samsung Giving up or....). Only way to find out is to dive right in......
So I'm not here to praise or affiliate myself with a particular brand, what I mean is that some very much love Samsung and don't like any criticism, or others may disagree and that's fine (my words are just from my perspective). Everyone has there own likes, things they find useful, basically we are all different and that is just fine. Opinions from others that may follow are to be respected as we all won't share the same experience or views.
The Galaxy Note 10 got released in two variants oh wait no make that three, and yes I think this is a good idea (although price points i am not agreeable on).
However as the title suggests this little review is based on the model I have SM-N976b that's the Exynos 9825 5G variant.
Display: What we have is a 6.8" Dynamic Amoled Display and there is very little disputing it's best in class. From the vibrant colours to the deep blacks it really is a stunning screen. The punch-hole is symmetrical and really doesn't get in the way or my enjoyment (however some might not like, and find it distracting). I tend to appreciate larger displays (having recently purchased the Mate 20 X 5G 7.2") I was particularly pleased that Samsung decided to make the Display larger on the + variant. With it being a note , that is aimed at productivity and media 6.8" was/is a delight for me personally.
Performance: The performance of the 9825 is marginal if anything above the 9820 (used on the S10, S10+). However I get tired of the complaints, yes perhaps the 855 is marginally better in certain areas, it's not a huge gulf between the two that is going to dramatically affect the user experience. I have found it to be very fast and fluid and hasn't hindered my experience. Basically it performs as a flagship processor should. Very little complaints from me.
Functionality: We have the good old S-Pen and without a doubt it's still industry leading (Perhaps because not many oem's have decided to compete) however as a productivity tool it's fantastic (wether you use it not). I am not sold on the Harry potter waving the pen around, it's just a feature that I think Samsung could have left out & focused that time and resources in another area. However I get that they wanted to add something else to the pen, but I don't think many will be using it.
You have here with the Note 10+ a device that offers up great features as in improving DeX to be used as a virtual environment on a laptop (Some may benefit from this) link to Windows to provide that ecosystem and connection with your PC/Laptop. We also have Gamelink (Conning Soon) along with all the other things like app edge, dual window. So it really does offer up that fantastic functionality.
Battery: Well I have the Mate 20 X and with the 7.2" Display (all be it 1080p) it without a doubt lasts longer than the Note 10+, wouldn't say by a huge margin, I usually and can easily get 7hrs on the note, but with the X it can be 8+, but EMUI is more restrictive in app management. I think the Note could be better optimised and I'm sure with updates it will.
Camera: The cameras on the Note all be it just little improvements over the S-Line, they perform well in most areas, fall short in others. Yes you can say the P30 Pro or pixel are better, some areas yes they most certainly are, but even they fall short in let's say the video department, so as a balanced camera then yeah it's great and that is what I look for, if you want the best if everything Also buy the P30 Pro & Pixel and carry around 3 devices
Design: I think this is where Samsung spent a chunk of time, with the Display & rearrangement, all be it most certainly Q's from Huawei but that's not a negative thing and I absolutely love what Samsung have done here. It's a stunning device.
My Honest opinion: I was complaining slightly that Samsung perhaps could of should of done more and I still stand with that in certain areas. These are in the camera software, perhaps that 90hz (yes I don't think this was possible, due to the S-Pen), but would have been a nice option, but when you look at it, its an iterative improvement, but the areas of focus have been done well, and here we have a stunning productivity device that will make many users happy, but leave some disappointed as expectation, left us without some of the little things we are seeing from others not here on the note.
After using it now for 5 days I fully appreciate a nice and solid device that covers most areas well, but like any device falls short in others. I'm very happy with my purchase and I hope you all are to
Please feel free to add to this, or add in constructive criticism, it's all appreciated, just be respectful, and don't disregard others opinions (unless they are just rediculous).
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So perhaps this review might be slightly contradictory to my other thread (Samsung Giving up or....). Only way to find out is to dive right in......
So I'm not here to praise or affiliate myself with a particular brand, what I mean is that some very much love Samsung and don't like any criticism, or others may disagree and that's fine (my words are just from my perspective). Everyone has there own likes, things they find useful, basically we are all different and that is just fine. Opinions from others that may follow are to be respected as we all won't share the same experience or views.
The Galaxy Note 10 got released in two variants oh wait no make that three, and yes I think this is a good idea (although price points i am not agreeable on).
However as the title suggests this little review is based on the model I have SM-N976b that's the Exynos 9825 5G variant.
Display: What we have is a 6.8" Dynamic Amoled Display and there is very little disputing it's best in class. From the vibrant colours to the deep blacks it really is a stunning screen. The punch-hole is symmetrical and really doesn't get in the way or my enjoyment (however some might not like, and find it distracting). I tend to appreciate larger displays (having recently purchased the Mate 20 X 5G 7.2") I was particularly pleased that Samsung decided to make the Display larger on the + variant. With it being a note , that is aimed at productivity and media 6.8" was/is a delight for me personally.
Performance: The performance of the 9825 is marginal if anything above the 9820 (used on the S10, S10+). However I get tired of the complaints, yes perhaps the 855 is marginally better in certain areas, it's not a huge gulf between the two that is going to dramatically affect the user experience. I have found it to be very fast and fluid and hasn't hindered my experience. Basically it performs as a flagship processor should. Very little complaints from me.
Functionality: We have the good old S-Pen and without a doubt it's still industry leading (Perhaps because not many oem's have decided to compete) however as a productivity tool it's fantastic (wether you use it not). I am not sold on the Harry potter waving the pen around, it's just a feature that I think Samsung could have left out & focused that time and resources in another area. However I get that they wanted to add something else to the pen, but I don't think many will be using it.
You have here with the Note 10+ a device that offers up great features as in improving DeX to be used as a virtual environment on a laptop (Some may benefit from this) link to Windows to provide that ecosystem and connection with your PC/Laptop. We also have Gamelink (Conning Soon) along with all the other things like app edge, dual window. So it really does offer up that fantastic functionality.
Battery: Well I have the Mate 20 X and with the 7.2" Display (all be it 1080p) it without a doubt lasts longer than the Note 10+, wouldn't say by a huge margin, I usually and can easily get 7hrs on the note, but with the X it can be 8+, but EMUI is more restrictive in app management. I think the Note could be better optimised and I'm sure with updates it will.
Camera: The cameras on the Note all be it just little improvements over the S-Line, they perform well in most areas, fall short in others. Yes you can say the P30 Pro or pixel are better, some areas yes they most certainly are, but even they fall short in let's say the video department, so as a balanced camera then yeah it's great and that is what I look for, if you want the best if everything Also buy the P30 Pro & Pixel and carry around 3 devices
Design: I think this is where Samsung spent a chunk of time, with the Display & rearrangement, all be it most certainly Q's from Huawei but that's not a negative thing and I absolutely love what Samsung have done here. It's a stunning device.
My Honest opinion: I was complaining slightly that Samsung perhaps could of should of done more and I still stand with that in certain areas. These are in the camera software, perhaps that 90hz (yes I don't think this was possible, due to the S-Pen), but would have been a nice option, but when you look at it, its an iterative improvement, but the areas of focus have been done well, and here we have a stunning productivity device that will make many users happy, but leave some disappointed as expectation, left us without some of the little things we are seeing from others not here on the note.
After using it now for 5 days I fully appreciate a nice and solid device that covers most areas well, but like any device falls short in others. I'm very happy with my purchase and I hope you all are to
Please feel free to add to this, or add in constructive criticism, it's all appreciated, just be respectful, and don't disregard others opinions (unless they are just rediculous).
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Not too much to add here.
Really great package!
Terrible speakers
Worst cellular connection to date
Bloatware
tethering feature is broken/lags
Pretty much fantastic in every aspect, minus four:
- terrible battery life (the worst I've ever had to my opinion, compared to Mate 9, Note 4 and Xperia Z1...)
- no high refresh rate display (and still annoying OLED motion blur)
- slow/unsecure unlocking (UDFS/front camera)
- Samsung's "OneUI" software is good overall, but has still strong geographic differences (in term of app availability, see goodlock software for exemple), and doesn't allow you to tweak your terminal to the extent to it should be possible (Galaxy Theme store (yerk!) should basically be Substratum (lite) + Synergy))
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Terrible speakers
Worst cellular connection to date
Bloatware
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It is really amusing to see how some complain about mainly, battery, speakers, camera and signal, to the grade of "terrible", "worst" etc, I have no complain at all, I come from a note 8, which indeed was an excellent device, and this note10+ is way better, in all aaspects, I did not have the 9, but I have heard always that it was just a little increment over the 8, any way, I am really, really pleased with my note10+, the best device I have had
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It is really amusing to see how some complain about mainly, battery, speakers, camera and signal, to the grade of "terrible", "worst" etc, I have no complain at all, I come from a note 8, which indeed was an excellent device, and this note10+ is way better, in all aaspects, I did not have the 9, but I have heard always that it was just a little increment over the 8, any way, I am really, really pleased with my note10+, the best device I have had
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Ditto x10!
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And would you guys say note 10+ over note 10?
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And would you guys say note 10+ over note 10?
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As far as i'm concerned yes...
- battery life
- microSD
- TOF, even though still beta-like software for 3D scan, but works very well for blurring background photos (you can see it when comparing front cam and rear cam)
- larger screen, cause i love this (better for watching videos or multitasking)
I would always feel like i have a sub phone if i went note10 route but that's juste me
Downside is the weight of note10+, i find it kinda heavy in the hand.
Yeah, I absolutely love my note10+
I absolutely love my Note 10+. I wish I had pre-ordered, but I wasn't ready for an upgrade from my Note 8 yet.
I got the Aurora Glow (Snapdragon, Verizon US), mainly because it was the one that was readily available and I wouldn't have to wait. I thought I'd just slap a case on it and never have to look at it, but it turns out I love that crazy rainbow bastard and got a nice clear case. I'm averaging 7hrs of SOT (at highest resolution, no power savings, wifi/data, etc), I haven't had to "top up" during the day once since I got it. Sleep drain is almost non-existent...maybe 4-5% overnight (6-7hrs) with WiFi and bluetooth on. I do a lot of artwork on the fly, and this is even more of a workhorse than my Note 8 was. I do multi-layered (usually 12-20 layers) drawings in Medibang Paint at at least 600dpi and this glorious phone doesn't even stutter. AND (and I know a lot of you don't like it) I was psyched to see a screen protector pre-installed. I know it's a crappy one, but it was great to have while waiting for my "real" one to show up. Really small, but well-appreciated, inclusion. I don't even mind the loss of a headphone jack as much as I thought I would. My portable battery has the wireless charging built in (not that I've needed to use it yet), and I think the sound in the USB C headphones included is better than the ones I got with my Note 8.
My ONLY complaint is the camera. Photos look overly soft, and faces seem flattened out. My Note 8 took much better photos out of the box. At least, in my case, it definitely seems to be a software issue...because using GCam improves the photos dramatically. And it seems that Sammy has already released an update to address photo quality...I just have to wait for Verizon to push out the damn thing. I don't take pro photos or anything, 90% of my picture taking is my kids...but my Note 8 gave me much clearer photos of them running around than I've gotten from my 10+. That being said, I know there's a fix on the way so I'm not going to piss and moan too much about it. I look forward to really using the hell out of the camera once it's updated, especially night mode...I didn't have that on my Note 8.
All in all, nothing but love for this phone.
I perceive the photos to be better than those of my note8, yesterday an update mainly for the fingerprint and camera, became available for my note10+, I am yet to see what improvements it may yield
I was looking at a new Chinese flagship (Realme X2 Pro) but then got to play with Dex on a 10 - bought the Note 10+ dualSIM right there, coming from an S8+. Dex is just fantastic, on my Windows or Mac computers, with an additional 95W wall charger and a 100w USB C hub. Now the phone is fully integrated in my desktop workflow and part of the hub with other devices I own, and I love the ability to cut&paste from/to the phone from my main Windows machine. All other elements one comes to expect from a Samsung flagship are there of course, and video quality is excellent. Writing with the S-Pen on the Nebo App is enough for note taking - I can leave the iPad Pro at home for meetings. And Amazon Germany gave a unexpected $120 rebate, plus tax return from Amazon upon leaving the EU, got a great deal altogether. My S8+ lasted three years and thanks to this community is updated well, will now go to my wife.
3 Stars. The magic is lost. Nothing is special about the series anymore.
Call me jaded as someone who's owned every iteration since the Note 2, but this is not the best from the best that previous Note series enjoyed. Same cameras from S10. Would have liked a better tech that includes a seamless uninterruption of the screen. I can do without a social media whore cam or have a motorized selfie cam for those selfie whores. Also, could have used a speedier screen refresh rate found on the the cheaper One+. Otherwise, speed, battery life, features, all the best android has to offer. Nothing earth shattering and futuristic like the first time we saw the Note Edge or Note 5 or BT pen from note 9. Still has a hole in the screen. Still has a "just a refreshed design until next iteration" look. Screen size increased by a hair. Even diluted the brand by making a smaller Note. I usually go for the best but since I had the blue Note 9, I wanted something different and the Aura Blue is gorgeous but disappointed it only comes in 256gb, another ding against Samsung. Overall, 3 stars because the Note series is known for cutting edge and when you have a camera stolen from an older phone and when you decide to toss in a gimmicky AR camera that everyone used for the first minute and forget about but failed to work on the thing that everyone uses 90% of the time, the screen, like incorporate a 120 refresh rate or do away with the hole or notch, then you aren't living to the high standard that the Note series are known for and that its fanbase expects. You used to be able to say, look what my phone has that you don't. Reverse charging? woopty do. My S10 had that before you. 3 cameras? "Stereo" speakers? Well, my phone has a built in BT stylus. So, my cheaper Note 10 does too! *facepalm* We no longer have something special. Used to be we had it first and then it trickled to other devices. Now, it's the other way around.
The one and only phone, not a tablet, that has this unique feature, the spen, there is the "magic"
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The one and only phone, not a tablet, that has this unique feature, the spen, there is the "magic"
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Pay attention. You're wrong. We're reviewing the Note 10+. So this isn't the only phone with the s pen. If you pay attention, the diluted note 10 also has one as well as the upcoming note 10 lite. So it still stands, the magic is lost.
As this thread is about the 10+, I am referring to the note10+, so, you pay attention
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As this thread is about the 10+, I am referring to the note10+, so, you pay attention
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Please check your private messages. Remeber folks this is a fun hobby for us all. There's never a need to get fired up and taking jabs and low blows. If you're starting to get heated just log off and go do something else or keep scrolling.
Let me preface this by saying I am picky about my phones and this is one of the worst I have seen in years! If you have an old phone I can understand some of the upgrade but here are my thoughts coming well staying with a Note 10+. Never bought and returned a phone this quick. Returning before it is even released on Friday!!
Let's start with the good, well somewhat......
Screen: Once again Samsung delivers a world class screen. Best in brightness, color accuracy, etc etc everything like normal that they always produce in their flagships. Now for the downsize, the infamous 120hz screen refresh rate. Not worth it here. Smoother scrolling, sure but barely. I honestly don't even mind the 1080p and 120 hz just the need for the 120hz on a phone is overkill. Was gaming smoother sure, do I game much on my phone, no not really. The 240 touch response I can tell more of a difference and a worthy difference then the 120 hz refresh
Processing power: Phone is fast, minus animations. Photo processing, night mode shots are a big difference. Much faster in that aspect. Wish we saw little more ram and more storage though at this price
Battery: 5000 mah in this device makes it a little thicker but in my short one day of use it stood up pretty well to transferring apps and everything over and hard use for a few hours last night. Couldn't kill it
and now the bad
Camera: throw all the numbers at it and it will be great.... well not so fast. Main shooter in 12 or 108 mp mode cannot focus on anything. Piece of paper on desk in front of you, good luck. Zoom a few feet away from you, also good luck. 5x/10x/30x zoom is better then Note 10+ of course but how often are you going to use this? Everyday? Once a week? Once a month? Still not great quality (usable) at 10x or 30x really so no point in my book. 5x is crisp but falls off too much after that for me to use. Wide angle is same as note so no real improvement here. Camera also seems to make everything more saturated then I like as well almost to the point of unrealistic. The one and only thing the iPhone can do well and the note seems to be closer to that realistic representation then the Ultra.
Design: not that the design is bad but feels a tad on the chunkier side. Rounder edges do help but does not feel as sleek as nice to hold as note or even s10. Thicker as well to house that battery and camera module. Also worried about how scratched the module bump will become after months of abuse.
UI: Let me first say I hate Android 10/Samsung UI 2.0, I am still using 9 and the Ultra reminded me why. App animations are slow (yes can fix in dev options but still), quick replying to text or message in status bar is not instant like prior android generations. Don't know if this is an android 10 or Samsung UI 2.0 problem but seems like it should be an upgrade not a downgrade
Price: $1400 is a lot even for 2020. That is also only for 128 gb and 12 gb ram model. So no upgrade to ram compared to Note and a loss of half the storage compared to entry level note. Plan was to trade in note 10+ and pay $800 and it isn't worth that tp be honest. Not even close. Only foreseeable upgrades are little brighter screen and zoom lens. The rest is a downgrade to me or the same.
I will continue to use note 10+ until Note 20 maybe? Needs to have something better for the money it is going to cost though
I noticed a lot of the reviews about the Nord are primarily about the cameras. I know OP marketed the phone with flagship-level cameras but come on. What's not to love about the Nord? 90hz refresh screen, capable processor, gorgeous screen, updates untill forever and a near stock experience with some handy features added.
I feel that the OP Nord is being bashed a little too much in some reviews, especially compared to the Pixel. I don't mind to not have THE BEST ever camera in a smartphone. What I do like, is versatility, which the Nord gives me, albeit without the best-in-class cameras. But that's something that can be improved with future updates. I rarely take pictures during the night, and we are more hours awake when it's well lit outside than when it's dark isn't it?
For me, personally, it feels like comparing two 'just fine'' cars. One has a better motor, better tires, faster acceleration and a longer range. While the other has an insane soundsysteem, that blinds the eye regarding the rest of the car...
Just my view of things .
So far I've seen a lot of good reviews and not only about camera but more about the total package.
Just as you describe actually..
So maybe you've seen just the wrong reviews, there are plenty of good ones anyway. ?
True, the OnePlus Nord is truly an amazing phone
I have just migrated from my ageing Lyf water 9
And I don't really care about the camera
This is a Developer's dream, the phone which is truly supportive of its developer community (waiting for the sources)
Plus, it's not like we game and click photos all day
We work on the phone, tinker with it, and have fun.
#FlagshipKiller
I love the phone concept and phone elements of the Sony phones: the wrist strap, the real camera, the micro-card memory, the screen, the size, the build, blah blah blah. The battery life and heating issues are fatal flaws. Screen brightness is probably a flaw for me here in Indonesia. I lived with a Sony travel camera for a few years where I learned to accurately estimate what I was shooting, because I couldn't see the shot on the screen in the sunlight. When Sony solves battery life, heating, and screen brightness... count me in.
I could agree partially on battery life and heating.
I have none of those issue or at least they are not fatal to me.
I end the day around 20% battery with 6 hour screen on time (and playing some CPU/GPU intensive game) and i have no overheating issue. I feel more heat only when charging during play with the option to bypass battery when you play and charge.
the sunlight issue is a common issue, and it can't be solved. Even pretty much every pro Reflex and mirrorless have visibility issue of the display if you use it in sunlight.
Thanks for the intelligent reply. I am encouraged to continue with your response. I am quite exacting in my needs this purchase. On the other hand, is it too much to ask of 1 phone? I don't game and am very careful to manage battery draining apps. But I do want to be able to spend time long periods on Goofle maps for nav, 40 K bike trips, video & photo, and WhatsApp for communication in Bali without carrying 2 phones and lots of gear with me . I also listen extensively to classical music concerts that I collect. I'll take a look at the phones in Singapore in Jan-Feb but I do want to be able to see what I am shooting on the camera / video apps. I do have a predisposition for the Sony as I must say though, poor battery life and over heating is boring. Do the engineers real life test the pre-production builds? The other thing is that time is on my side. I would expect large sensors be a big part of 2022 offerings. I temper that grass is greener 2022 thought though. I don't care for the processed photo/video looks of other manufacturers.
If they managed to solve all those with a perceptible increase in the already hard to swallow price, will you still go for it?
The heat is all Qualcomms fault. The only thing Sony can do is install a more effective heatsink, at the cost of higher price and thicker body. it is well know that Qualcomm is not caring about heat management at all in the last few generations of their socs and this wont change anytime soon seeing they have an effective monopoly. You simply have no other choice if you want a soc for a flagship camera phone.
The screen is hard to say. The only way to fix this is that they should stop using their 4k screens. I believe the main issue is that this is a very small niche. There are some people that maybe can enjoy such a high dpi screen to its fullest. Because they are the only brand buying up supplies of such small 4k screens, they can't really pour in that much money into RnD to their screen supplier. They have to take whatever their supplier offers them. The supplier will demand alot more RnD money compared to other screens, seeing that once they invest time and money into improving their tech further, in the end the only customer is Sony, they have to recoup all their costs somehow.
Losing their 4k screen however loses their niche market attraction, which is what Sony is riding on now. I doubt they'd abandon it and just slowly accept whatever minor improvements they get from newer 4k screens, if they get any. Without catering to this niche, why would you buy a Sony?
Lastly, the battery life. This is mainly tied to Sonys choice of 4k screen. And I'm not just talking about the resolution or the fact it only runs a fixed 120hz. Im talking about the overall power consumption of the entire screen system. There are many other components that make up a screen, contributing to its power consumption. As mentioned above, without pouring more money into RnD to improve power consumption of the screen, Sony is stuck with whatever they are supplied with.
All this can of course be remedied faster with money. Are you willing to pay for an even more bigger price increase when such an improved phone comes? So many of Sonys advantages mentioned above, you notice they are not available on nearly all other flagship phones. Being a niche, means they have less power to dictate the prices of those components. The other option is to drop all those Sony niceties you mentioned, which will give more RnD money, more chassis space for a bigger battery and better cooling, as well as getting better power efficient components that are mass produced to perfection.
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I for one, will still buy a Sony phone when the time comes even though those same disadvantages are there. They are not fatal. It is something we deal with. I rather deal with those and keep all the nice things Sony still have on their phones, rather than deal with the lack of those things on other phones, which for me is a real deal breaker.
Thanks for the very detailed and intelligent comments. Chips: Yah, SDragon deosn't give a rat's ass about heat generation. Let's see if Sony responds in coming iterations with a heat sink and if SDragon can breath less fire. But, didn't Apple, Goofle, and reportedly other phone makers design their own chips. Certainly Apple has killed it with their new chips. Goofle I think is demonstrating that less power and performance are possible with some of their recent and phones.
Niche phone: Yes it is. And they are assembling components like many other makers. I don't know their unit numbers, but the numbers probably break fractions below 1%.
Fatal: OK. Not fatal. You have a point and all the comments have been moving me that way. So I have taken the moved Sony off the fatal list and back to the living choices. I probably won't get to the Sony store in Singapore until late January or early February. And who knows with the pandemic travel rule changes. Maybe Sony will put out another iteration to really confuse me! Best. Thanks again.
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Thanks for the intelligent reply. I am encouraged to continue with your response. I am quite exacting in my needs this purchase. On the other hand, is it too much to ask of 1 phone? I don't game and am very careful to manage battery draining apps. But I do want to be able to spend time long periods on Goofle maps for nav, 40 K bike trips, video & photo, and WhatsApp for communication in Bali without carrying 2 phones and lots of gear with me . I also listen extensively to classical music concerts that I collect. I'll take a look at the phones in Singapore in Jan-Feb but I do want to be able to see what I am shooting on the camera / video apps. I do have a predisposition for the Sony as I must say though, poor battery life and over heating is boring. Do the engineers real life test the pre-production builds? The other thing is that time is on my side. I would expect large sensors be a big part of 2022 offerings. I temper that grass is greener 2022 thought though. I don't care for the processed photo/video looks of other manufacturers.
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Same here. I really don't want photo processing made by the camera application. The less processing made before saving the photo the better. I usually take photo with manual with only RAW file when photo quality matter. I use basic/auto with jpeg only when i have to photograph documents or other stuff for work.
Btw yeah, this SD with the 4k display are an issue when using phone a lot. I was used to keep BT and GPS off when not using it but i imagine that if someone use a lot gmaps that's a problem. screen always on plus GPS could kill your battery juice very fast.
Real life test? NOPE, never. That's the same of MPG or KPL on cars. I NEVER, and i say NEVER drived a car that is coherent with carmakers declaration XD
Same for phones. Probably they all think that people use phones something like 2 hours per day XD
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Same here. I really don't want photo processing made by the camera application. The less processing made before saving the photo the better. I usually take photo with manual with only RAW file when photo quality matter. I use basic/auto with jpeg only when i have to photograph documents or other stuff for work.
Btw yeah, this SD with the 4k display are an issue when using phone a lot. I was used to keep BT and GPS off when not using it but i imagine that if someone use a lot gmaps that's a problem. screen always on plus GPS could kill your battery juice very fast.
Real life test? NOPE, never. That's the same of MPG or KPL on cars. I NEVER, and i say NEVER drived a car that is coherent with carmakers declaration XD
Same for phones. Probably they all think that people use phones something like 2 hours per day XD
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Hahaha... I carefully learned to restrict applications unless I am using the app on the first 3 Goofle phones I owned. I don't think those phones had any battery at all. That brings us to the big takeaway here. Xperia gives us many legacy items that never should have been taken away: the. 3.5 audio jack, micro catd memory, audiophile listening camera button.... Why not a replaceable battery in the next iteration?
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Hahaha... I carefully learned to restrict applications unless I am using the app on the first 3 Goofle phones I owned. I don't think those phones had any battery at all. That brings us to the big takeaway here. Xperia gives us many legacy items that never should have been taken away: the. 3.5 audio jack, micro catd memory, audiophile listening camera button.... Why not a replaceable battery in the next iteration?
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replaceable battery are TOP, but with all the "new" recent features like water resistant, wireless charging and aluminium/glass body it's a problem.
A removable rear could lead to lot of problem for normal user in opening the device to change battery, the same go for removing the display to access the battery, too many possibility to tear the flat cables.
Another issue is that people want slim phones and a removable battery, even if a little could lead phones to be a little thicker.
I will exchange a little more thickness with a swappable battery anytime, but that's just me.
Jesu Krikey. You are an engineer's worst nightmare. Don't over think this. You obviously never had a phone with a removable battery.
You peel the back off and chuck the live charged replacement cells in for the dead ones then put the back on again. Then we can make money selling waterproof cases for the stupid phone and a charging case. It's a slam dunk. We can also sell crap replacement batteries so the punters have to keep ordering more. I already made up at leat 2 new businesses. Like I say, "slam dunk." Shouldn't we talk to marketing about this?
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Jesu Krikey. You are an engineer's worst nightmare. Don't over think this. You obviously never had a phone with a removable battery.
You peel the back off and chuck the live charged replacement cells in for the dead ones then put the back on again. Then we can make money selling waterproof cases for the stupid phone and a charging case. It's a slam dunk. We can also sell crap replacement batteries so the punters have to keep ordering more. I already made up at leat 2 new businesses. Like I say, "slam dunk." Shouldn't we talk to marketing about this?
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Ahahahahah i work in the repair business for computer and phones as an ACIT and ACMT certified technician for Apple now and before for Dell. When off work i just make the same work for friends and people willing to pay a little less, and that's why i'm overthinking about this (Brain burned from disambly and assembly hardware all day from 18 to 34 year right now.
Mmmmh i think that some (Famous) company already arrived before you on crap replacement to earn more Ahahahahhaha
All this tech stuff needs a Saturday Night Live subsidiary. We take it all too too seriously. And the companies take our money too easily. Going to sleep here in Bali. We're all ways at least 13 hours ahead of you punters. Stay in touch. Best.
hi everyone,
i need to know about mobile signal and downloads, using 4g or 5g please
as we know sony xperia 1 ii had lots of mobile signal issue
thanks
alleshi said:
hi everyone,
i need to know about mobile signal and downloads, using 4g or 5g please
as we know sony xperia 1 ii had lots of mobile signal issue
thanks
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In Italy no signal problem with the main operator under 4G. 5G lack signal coverage in lot of area then i can't help you on that
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In Italy no signal problem with the main operator under 4G. 5G lack signal coverage in lot of area then i can't help you on that
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thank you my friend
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I love the phone concept and phone elements of the Sony phones: the wrist strap, the real camera, the micro-card memory, the screen, the size, the build, blah blah blah. The battery life and heating issues are fatal flaws. Screen brightness is probably a flaw for me here in Indonesia. I lived with a Sony travel camera for a few years where I learned to accurately estimate what I was shooting, because I couldn't see the shot on the screen in the sunlight. When Sony solves battery life, heating, and screen brightness... count me in.
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True all you have said.
Sadly, sony is not interested in solving the problems. Same problems are with xperias since years and I can tell you they did literally NOTHING to fix it. Poor screen brightness and battery life is something Sony is known for in mobile industry. They also decided to cut the costs on software hence removed almost all the apps we loved.
Nowadays not that much is still "xperia". It's rather chinese random device with ugly stock Android and "sony" name glued to it.
They still are not able to add 21:9 mode in pictures which is their screen sie lol! So you have to take shots with huge black bars on the left and right. That's really stupid...
Brightness there were rumors mark 3 will be 1300nits brightness. Ended with little over 600 that is one of the worst results in industry.
If you add huge price all together will result in sales and tell you where sony is positioned in global market share. I think it is 0.2%?
Not all is bad with these devices but for sure there are better options. Especially in software. It degrade each year more and more.
In past they copied new iteration of Android from google to their flagship device in December, before year end. And this year where is it? December ending and there's no any word on it ...
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Hahaha... I carefully learned to restrict applications unless I am using the app on the first 3 Goofle phones I owned. I don't think those phones had any battery at all. That brings us to the big takeaway here. Xperia gives us many legacy items that never should have been taken away: the. 3.5 audio jack, micro catd memory, audiophile listening camera button.... Why not a replaceable battery in the next iteration?
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3.5 audio? I tried to use it with older sony headphones that has jack a d it does not work at all. Stating "device not compatible". Why? Because new mark 3 degraded audio jack and it no longer supports noise cancelling hence any headphones that has additional pin for noise cancelling will not work... Hence it's useless. You can throw away all your noise cancelling jack headphones into garbage.
All of this thank's to sony!
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Thanks for the intelligent reply. I am encouraged to continue with your response. I am quite exacting in my needs this purchase. On the other hand, is it too much to ask of 1 phone? I don't game and am very careful to manage battery draining apps. But I do want to be able to spend time long periods on Goofle maps for nav, 40 K bike trips, video & photo, and WhatsApp for communication in Bali without carrying 2 phones and lots of gear with me . I also listen extensively to classical music concerts that I collect. I'll take a look at the phones in Singapore in Jan-Feb but I do want to be able to see what I am shooting on the camera / video apps. I do have a predisposition for the Sony as I must say though, poor battery life and over heating is boring. Do the engineers real life test the pre-production builds? The other thing is that time is on my side. I would expect large sensors be a big part of 2022 offerings. I temper that grass is greener 2022 thought though. I don't care for the processed photo/video looks of other manufacturers.
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Large sensors?
Don't you know sony cannot make a good camera that takes best pictures?
They included physically 1" sensor in xperia Pro-I and geuess what? They failed again as they packed it with 12MPx only which means camera can only make use of part of entire 1" sensor ... Entire world is laughing. What a shame such a flop.
They constantly make flops here and there, many old issues not fixed. A lot of advertising on their cameras used in Xperias and results are still worse than those made by shamesung or apple. And Pro-I has no any proper zoom. But does it hurts? For some for sure. But looking how poor is max 4.4x zoom from mark III not sure it is worth. They should use proper zoom as huawei does with mirrors. Old P30 Pro still has better camera and zoom than mark 3 :/
They had their great 960fps memory stacked camera that was great, only xperia gad it with 1080p. Instead of packing it with software that can combine each of those short videos into one with nice transitions between they did what? Removed it from next xperia...
Sad but true.
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They still are not able to add 21:9 mode in pictures which is their screen sie lol! So you have to take shots with huge black bars on the left and right. That's really stupid...
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The Cinema Pro system application creates 21: 9 images
Great, you need to start recording video in separate app that in order to take a "screenshot" of 21:9. Not to mention all possibilities / adjustments available in Photo Pro are not available there...
Thank's but that's not what I need.
Looks like it is a huge challenge for sony devs and business to make such decision to add 21:9 ratio to Photo Pro app... + ...
Pathetic.
no need to start recording a video