Things missing in NOTE 7
Everyone wants -
Battery 4500 mAh
Ram 6 GB
C type with Usb 3.1
I would like them to Add -
Bluethooth in Pen so can click picks with it like a remote
Add what you feel is missing
1) Bigger screen
2) Bigger screen
3) Bigger screen
We have been stuck at 5.7" since Note 3, could easily have been up to 6" by now.
Crikey Nexus 6 which came out alongside Note 4 had a 6" screen.
I still have the Note 4 and will be looking at other makes for a 6 inch+ QHD screened phone even if it comes at the expense of loosing the SD card.
Flat scratch proof screen as Moto Z - I don't buy the Edge concept - .
Though body
IR Blaster
6GB Ram
Snapdragon 830-821-823 faster cpu for a more bloated phone.
New UFS Micro SD std instead just uhs (a big miss considering precisely Samsung just introduced the first UFS micro sd to the market) .
I rally don't care about 3.5mm audio jack I'll prefer am bigger battery instead, 4000mah to be happy.
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Things missing in NOTE 7
Everyone wants
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Who's everyone? Until the tech changes bigger batteries = bigger devices. It's been more than proven people want trimmer and lighter phones. The Note7's waterproof, smaller than the Note5, and has a bigger battery than the Note5 all squeezed in to less space than the S7 Edge because of the silo to accommodate the S Pen. Based on the way Android manages memory, what's the extra 2GB of RAM going to do? The OnePlus 3 has 6GB of RAM and users have a choice of more background apps open and ****ty battery life or vice versa. USB-C and/or 3.1 is a benefit only to those still using cables. The only time I use a cable anymore is to connect my phone to my car because it's an Android Auto requirement; but that's just me. Point is "everyone" wants something different and the 99% of people that buy phones and aren't on XDA don't care about the same things we do or value them differently.
6inch screen
Front firing stereo speakers.
For myself, give me those and the device is perfect.
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Front firing stereo speakers would have been awesome
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I've had the Nwxus 6 for a while now, and while I miss the S-Pen from my Note 2 and 3, it would be very difficult to move to a smaller screen and speaker(s) that are not front-facing.
And if this Note 7 is locked down like the Note 4 (reason why I stopped buying Samsung in the first place), then I'll have to pass on this one as well.
BarryH_GEG said:
Who's everyone? Until the tech changes bigger batteries = bigger devices. It's been more than proven people want trimmer and lighter phones. The Note7's waterproof, smaller than the Note5, and has a bigger battery than the Note5 all squeezed in to less space than the S7 Edge because of the silo to accommodate the S Pen. Based on the way Android manages memory, what's the extra 2GB of RAM going to do? The OnePlus 3 has 6GB of RAM and users have a choice of more background apps open and ****ty battery life or vice versa. USB-C and/or 3.1 is a benefit only to those still using cables. The only time I use a cable anymore is to connect my phone to my car because it's an Android Auto requirement; but that's just me. Point is "everyone" wants something different and the 99% of people that buy phones and aren't on XDA don't care about the same things we do or value them differently.
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Bigger batteries = bigger devices? I am curious where do you come up with these conclusions lol? How about S7 Edge smaller device with bigger battery? Just throwing an example out there.
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I've had the Nwxus 6 for a while now, and while I miss the S-Pen from my Note 2 and 3, it would be very difficult to move to a smaller screen and speaker(s) that are not front-facing.
And if this Note 7 is locked down like the Note 4 (reason why I stopped buying Samsung in the first place), then I'll have to pass on this one as well.
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Give me a nexus 6 with more internal storage or an sd slot and a note 7 camera and id be all over it lol.
I miss mine actually, that big screen and those speakers are hard to forget lol
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Bigger batteries = bigger devices? I am curious where do you come up with these conclusions lol? How about S7 Edge smaller device with bigger battery? Just throwing an example out there.
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S7 Edge doesn't need to make space for the silo to hold the S pen
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S7 Edge doesn't need to make space for the silo to hold the S pen
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Ok. Latest Motorola flagship. Slimmer body, bigger battery. Counts?
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Ok. Latest Motorola flagship. Slimmer body, bigger battery. Counts?
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Not really unless I'm missing something. The Note7's waterproof, has a larger display, and a silo for the S Pen and the same size battery. Yet it's shorter and narrower and only .9mm thicker and 6g heavier than the Moto Z Force. Kind of points to Samsung being a master of packaging.
Moto Z = 153.3 x 75.3 x 5.2 mm (6.04 x 2.96 x 0.20 in), 136 g (4.80 oz), 5.5" display, 2,600 mAh battery
Moto Z Force = 155.9 x 75.8 x 7 mm (6.14 x 2.98 x 0.28 in), 163 g (5.75 oz), 5.5" display, 3,500 mAh battery
Note7 = 153.5 x 73.9 x 7.9 mm (6.04 x 2.91 x 0.31 in), 169 g (5.96 oz), 5.7" display, 3,500 mAh battery
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Not really unless I'm missing something. The Note7's waterproof, has a larger display, and a silo for the S Pen and the same size battery. Yet it's shorter and narrower and only .9mm thicker and 6g heavier than the Moto Z Force. Kind of points to Samsung being a master of packaging.
Moto Z = 153.3 x 75.3 x 5.2 mm (6.04 x 2.96 x 0.20 in), 136 g (4.80 oz), 5.5" display, 2,600 mAh battery
Moto Z Force = 155.9 x 75.8 x 7 mm (6.14 x 2.98 x 0.28 in), 163 g (5.75 oz), 5.5" display, 3,500 mAh battery
Note7 = 153.5 x 73.9 x 7.9 mm (6.04 x 2.91 x 0.31 in), 169 g (5.96 oz), 5.7" display, 3,500 mAh battery
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Alright then it looks like Samsung will always have a bright future because their user base is easily satisfied with ridiculous "upgrades".
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Alright then it looks like Samsung will always have a bright future because their user base is easily satisfied with ridiculous "upgrades".
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It's all about trade-offs. My bank is one that's signed on for Samsung Pass so I can use the Iris Scanner for banking. That's pretty cool (to me) and it's a smartphone first. Between the Note5 and Note7 I've lost nothing. I've gained waterproofing, a bigger battery, a better camera, a slimmer design, external storage, an iris scanner, a faster more efficient CPU/GPU, more S Pen tools, a curved screen, and an updated UI. It's also the first Samsung device to support USB-C but I'm 95% wireless so that's not a big get for me. I've had every Note since the Note II and over time I've lost external storage, replaceable batteries, FM radio, and an IR blaster. When you add it all up I've gotten far more than I've lost which is why I stick with Samsung.
I get through the day on my Note5 so with the efficiencies of S-820 and the 500 mAh larger battery I'll be better off with the Note7. A bigger battery, at least using today's tech, means a bigger phone. If asked, I'd prefer a smaller footprint over a larger battery. Others may differ. Samsung pulled SD cards last year and brought them back. They obviously misjudged the market when they made that decision. They reversed it this year and S7 sales climbed in a down and saturated market. The S7 Edge with its 3,600 mAh battery accounts for over 50% of all S7-series sales. So people seem OK with that combination of size and battery capacity. The Note7's 3,500 mAh battery is about 2.5% smaller. That's pretty inconsequential because if you go below 5% on either phone they're going to fail over to power save mode and you won't be able to see the screen anyway. If battery size (2,915 mAh on the iPhone 6S+) was such a big deal people wouldn't be buying massive quantities of iPhones which don't even support quick charging 3 years after it was introduced and wireless charging two years later. Apple's about to pull the headphone jack on the iP7. It's a consumer unfriendly move but do you think people will stop buying iPhones because of it?
People want different things and OEMs like Samsung shoot for the middle. Sometimes they fail like with the removal of external storage. Sometimes they win by bringing it back and re-introducing waterproofing. (S7). There's an old adage, "you can't please all the people all the time."
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It's all about trade-offs. My bank is one that's signed on for Samsung Pass so I can use the Iris Scanner for banking. That's pretty cool (to me) and it's a smartphone first. Between the Note5 and Note7 I've lost nothing. I've gained waterproofing, a bigger battery, a better camera, a slimmer design, external storage, an iris scanner, a faster more efficient CPU/GPU, more S Pen tools, a curved screen, and an updated UI. It's also the first Samsung device to support USB-C but I'm 95% wireless so that's not a big get for me. I've had every Note since the Note II and over time I've lost external storage, replaceable batteries, FM radio, and an IR blaster. When you add it all up I've gotten far more than I've lost which is why I stick with Samsung.
I get through the day on my Note5 so with the efficiencies of S-820 and the 500 mAh larger battery I'll be better off with the Note7. A bigger battery, at least using today's tech, means a bigger phone. If asked, I'd prefer a smaller footprint over a larger battery. Others may differ. Samsung pulled SD cards last year and brought them back. They obviously misjudged the market when they made that decision. They reversed it this year and S7 sales climbed in a down and saturated market. The S7 Edge with its 3,600 mAh battery accounts for over 50% of all S7-series sales. So people seem OK with that combination of size and battery capacity. The Note7's 3,500 mAh battery is about 2.5% smaller. That's pretty inconsequential because if you go below 5% on either phone they're going to fail over to power save mode and you won't be able to see the screen anyway. If battery size (2,915 mAh on the iPhone 6S+) was such a big deal people wouldn't be buying massive quantities of iPhones which don't even support quick charging 3 years after it was introduced and wireless charging two years later. Apple's about to pull the headphone jack on the iP7. It's a consumer unfriendly move but do you think people will stop buying iPhones because of it?
People want different things and OEMs like Samsung shoot for the middle. Sometimes they fail like with the removal of external storage. Sometimes they win by bringing it back and re-introducing waterproofing. (S7). There's an old adage, "you can't please all the people all the time."
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Coming from the S7E the N7 doesn't seem impressive at all to me. I guess if I was coming from the N5 then I would have been impressed. As I said, I get the feeling that these Android companies are holding back on purpose. I wish I could stand iOS, I would have moved to the iPhone 6S Plus in a heartbeat.
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Samsung aren't targeting people who upgraded 6 months ago to the S7, their primary target are majority of ordinary users on a 24 month upgrade cycle (from the Note 4), and enthusiasts who may upgrade from the Note 5, and for both groups I think the Note 7 represents a decent all round upgrade.
In terms of my wishlist, I would have preferred a larger battery even if it meant a thicker chassis.
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Samsung aren't targeting people who upgraded 6 months ago to the S7, their primary target are majority of ordinary users on a 24 month upgrade cycle (from the Note 4), and enthusiasts who may upgrade from the Note 5, and for both groups I think the Note 7 represents a decent all round upgrade.
In terms of my wishlist, I would have preferred a larger battery even if it meant a thicker chassis.
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Samsung aren't targeting people who upgraded 6 months ago to the S7, their primary target are majority of ordinary users on a 24 month upgrade cycle (from the Note 4), and enthusiasts who may upgrade from the Note 5.
FF
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Says who?
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Says who?
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That would be a stupid target market, so... Common sense I guess?
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It's pretty clear that the Galaxy Alpha is not being positioned "above" the Galaxy S 5...it's just different. It's smaller, much thinner, but has a lower resolution display (720p vs 1080p) and a smaller battery (1860mAh vs 2800mAh).
So who is this phone for? Would you consider it over the Galaxy S 5, or even the Nexus 5/HTC One M8 for that matter?
Sound off! :victory:
Nope although I love that form factor it lacks some of essential features such as full HD and SD card support.
Also I think the price tag is way too high for the mentioned features.
The mentioned one's aren't alternatives I'll be waiting for the g3 with the snap Dragon 805 maybe they are going to release a smaller one too
The phone is for iPhone users coming over from Apple and direct compression for the z1 compact.
I personally think this is the best looking Samsung phone ever and I want it baaaaadddddd, I know the 720p screen and tiny battery are major drawbacks for most people but I can deal with it, I am by no means a power user. I just think its a great looking powerful phone that's perfect for me I just really hope it has some sort of development here
kayslay21 said:
I personally think this is the best looking Samsung phone ever and I want it baaaaadddddd, I know the 720p screen and tiny battery are major drawbacks for most people but I can deal with it, I am by no means a power user. I just think its a great looking powerful phone that's perfect for me I just really hope it has some sort of development here
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"B***h, please", you tell those "most people". I challenge your eyes to see single pixels with pixel density above 300 ppi. Also, the less pixels to push around = the GPU has it easier = it's easier on the battery... and battery is STILL bigger than any iPhone battery to date. And with the coming of L, battery life is expected to rise even more.
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"B***h, please", you tell those "most people". I challenge your eyes to see single pixels with pixel density above 300 ppi. Also, the less pixels to push around = the GPU has it easier = it's easier on the battery... and battery is STILL bigger than any iPhone battery to date. And with the coming of L, battery life is expected to rise even more.
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Considering this is using the Exynos 5430 using 20nm, it should have have battery life between the 801 and 805 if it was 1080p/1440p. if it's only 720p This device will last more than a day easily.
For that reason alone I'll be picking it up. and the fact I hate QHD on phones.
I would get one only if i dont have to throw a extra penny on xchange wid my 1month old nexus 5...
Comparing it to nexus 5
Pros
Slimmer
Metallic body
Better camera
Touchwiz ui (lol pro??)
Better gpu (yes its btr than a330)
Better battery (newer 20nm )
Cons
Touchwiz
Not full hd (i don't give a **** as i find display of 720p grand 2 to be same as that of my n5 wid naked eyes)
Expect late updates and poorer custom rom support.
I would make the sacrifice wid my n5 only if L doesnt makes it a overkill
Considering @svetius ' interest in alpha i guess he would get one tooo...
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So who is this phone for? Would you consider it over the Galaxy S 5, or even the Nexus 5/HTC One M8 for that matter?
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Ummm... me. I'm trim and of average height, not tall or big-boned, etc. I don't have huge hands. I wear 501s much of the time. The S5, G3 and One M8 are a bit too large for my pocket and for one-handed use. A phone is like a sidearm; while the zealots always want bigger and more powerful, if it's inconvenient to carry or use, and so you don't, it's no good even compared to an old flip phone.
But... the Alpha lacks a microSD slot, so it actually fails my requirements. Don't tell me you're selling me a Porsche - small, powerful, expensive - and then cut out the top gear. Charge me another $100 and put in the top gear, and call it a Porsche Xtreme or something silly like that.
As per a report it costs $689 dollars...
Plz throw it in the dustbin ...i am happy wid my sexy nexy...:silly:
I'm interested in getting it. The lack of a microSD card slot (and the price, too, I guess) is a bit of a bummer but who knows...
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Considering this is using the Exynos 5430 using 20nm, it should have have battery life between the 801 and 805 if it was 1080p/1440p. if it's only 720p This device will last more than a day easily.
For that reason alone I'll be picking it up. and the fact I hate QHD on phones.
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People say that QHD displays are just a gimmick but my g3 is hella crisp and as for battery life its fantastic, easily last all day.
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People say that QHD displays are just a gimmick but my g3 is hella crisp and as for battery life its fantastic, easily last all day.
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No SD card support..... I'd rather get the G3.
I will get one, if the battery is good enough.
Alpha is almost there
Wotta said:
Ummm... me. I'm trim and of average height, not tall or big-boned, etc. I don't have huge hands. I wear 501s much of the time. The S5, G3 and One M8 are a bit too large for my pocket and for one-handed use. A phone is like a sidearm; while the zealots always want bigger and more powerful, if it's inconvenient to carry or use, and so you don't, it's no good even compared to an old flip phone.
But... the Alpha lacks a microSD slot, so it actually fails my requirements. Don't tell me you're selling me a Porsche - small, powerful, expensive - and then cut out the top gear. Charge me another $100 and put in the top gear, and call it a Porsche Xtreme or something silly like that.
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Yes. I am in a similar situation -I am what you would call a Power User and need the Phone and nice
Camera for Business but am athletic, active and need the smaller form factor.
I want an Alpha Pro which is thicker with a larger Battery and Larger Camera Sensor like Note 4 ,SD Card for $ 100 more.
Alpha is a fashionable Device.
Alpha Pro would be for Note 4 types who don't want a huge phone.
The "Thinness Race" is surprising to me - I would MUCH prefer a thicker phone with SD Card and larger Battery and less breakable.
This size about 5.2" Tall with 4.7"
screen is perfect for me- and this Camera will be very good for Interior Designers , Real Estate Pros, Artists etc. not replacing a DSLR, but very useful.
Larger screens to me are impractical to carry and more likely to break, but I love the power of a Laptop in my pocket.
The Alpha is close.
The Sony Z3 Compact is close.
I prefer a removable Battery.
If Devs can create an APP that allows direct Storage to USB Stick ,
I could live without SD Card.
Two to Five Millimeters thicker and the Alpha Pro could be the Flagship Compact.
Remember you put a Rigid Case on a 5.6" Tall S5 and it's large and still fragile.
Put a rigid case on the Alpha and it's still pocket sized and less likely to break .
I don't know why it needs to be only 6.7 mm thick and 4 ounces-lol.
Give me the thicker Alpha Pro- a Device I am making up in the hopes it happens....
720p on 4.7" is decent. Even iPhone 6 doesn't have 1080p on their 4.7".
Hmmm I'm divided! I just had the S5 mini for a few days, and the screen on that one is bad. I meen the 720p resolution just doesn't cut it! Even thou the screen is small. It's just as bad as the S4 Mini. You can't read small fonts or read Web pages without zooming.
Soooo....... Does the Alpha has the same problem? I would guess. Even bigger screen with the same resolution. I hope I'm wrong and that Samsung just used a sub par display in the S5 mini. But I'm sceptical of course.
Also not sure if I want to live without the brilliance of a IR blaster in my phone. I use it everyday.
And then finally there is the potential issue about the battery size. Maybe it will be fine, if Sammy has optimized the Alphas HW correct.
So bottom line, I really want to get one, but I'm not to sure! LOOOOOOVE the esthetics!
Should be getting mine this coming Saturday, but stuck deciding what colour to go for...
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robertkoa said:
Yes. I am in a similar situation -I am what you would call a Power User and need the Phone and nice
Camera for Business but am athletic, active and need the smaller form factor.
I want an Alpha Pro which is thicker with a larger Battery and Larger Camera Sensor like Note 4 ,SD Card for $ 100 more.
Alpha is a fashionable Device.
Alpha Pro would be for Note 4 types who don't want a huge phone.
The "Thinness Race" is surprising to me - I would MUCH prefer a thicker phone with SD Card and larger Battery and less breakable.
This size about 5.2" Tall with 4.7"
screen is perfect for me- and this Camera will be very good for Interior Designers , Real Estate Pros, Artists etc. not replacing a DSLR, but very useful.
Larger screens to me are impractical to carry and more likely to break, but I love the power of a Laptop in my pocket.
The Alpha is close.
The Sony Z3 Compact is close.
I prefer a removable Battery.
If Devs can create an APP that allows direct Storage to USB Stick ,
I could live without SD Card.
Two to Five Millimeters thicker and the Alpha Pro could be the Flagship Compact.
Remember you put a Rigid Case on a 5.6" Tall S5 and it's large and still fragile.
Put a rigid case on the Alpha and it's still pocket sized and less likely to break .
I don't know why it needs to be only 6.7 mm thick and 4 ounces-lol.
Give me the thicker Alpha Pro- a Device I am making up in the hopes it happens....
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I get what your saying I thought about it too, but something draws me to this device it just looks good and I think its a combination of the thinness and metal frame, anything thicker here I think would detract from its appeal. As long as I can get from 5am to 11pm with some juice left if I need it im happy
No but I would have if a) I was an at&t customer rather than t-mobile customer (for an on-contract deal) or b) it wasn't $192 more to import than the Xperia Z3 Compact. Who knows, if their resale values converge, I may end up having a green Alpha.
I like the style of the phone and hope Samsung uses this as the inspiration for all of their android devices over the next 6 months. I hope the phone sells well as the future of powerful sub 5" androids depends on this and the Z3C succeeding. I really look forward to seeing a January 2015 Tab Alpha 8.4 with the corners like this (and a snapdragon 810 or intel Broadwell). Similarly, I hope the Alpha sets the stage for a different direction for Samsung's phones (Android 5.0 should be more power efficient in a way that makes smaller batteries more viable).
The Alpha is coming to AT&T this Friday
The Alpha is coming to AT&T this Friday ,
And I'm getting one. I'm looking forward to the form factor, but I especially like, that it is not as huge as most phones out there and still has decent specs. I really wish I could have it all. Until then, I'm looking to have a new toy.
In my eyes, The Galaxy Alpha is Samsung’s most beautiful phone ever. Much more beautiful than the galaxy s5, but the size of its 1,860mAh battery worries me. In conclusion, I will choose the HTC M8 as my next flagship phone.
I sold my S5 for the Alpha a couple of days ago and don't regret it at all! It's a small and very powerful phone and probably one of Samsung's better in many years IMO ☺
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Hi Everyone,
I thought I'd share some thoughts on this device after having purchased it yesterday afternoon.
I bought this phone because I felt it was the first device that gave me what I had been craving for a long time - an Android version of the iPhone 6s. I like the size, build and feel of the iPhone 6s/7, but not the software or the price.
I think I am in the minority of people who prefer a smaller handset, and even though Android devices tend to fit a lot more screen real estate into smaller bodies, I still feel that the 4.7in screen size is ideal for me.
The only phones that run Android of that size have been the Xperia compact line, and the Galaxy Alpha/A3 2016 models. There have been others, but only these have come close. Unfortunately, they have suffered compromised designs and specs that have left me wanting (I have owned them all, and this is my opinion which others are free to disagree with).
This new handset, however, has me ticking a lot of boxes.
- Size is fantastic. Just a little smaller than the iPhone 6s, and feels great in the hand. Premium materials, solid build quality, great ergonomics, clicky buttons, no camera hump.
- The display is good, not awesome, but vibrant and colourful without being too over the top. Can be tweaked to each user's preference, and gets both very bright and very dim.
- fingerprint scanner is fast and accurate.
- Camera is good, not amazing. An iPhone definitely trounces this setup, but I paid £280 sim free and my usage is not too demanding so it's absolutely fine for me. Daytime shots are actually very pleasant and I think here it punches above its weight; low light is where it struggles, but I feel that most shots at night are not too important for me so it's a compromise I'll happily make.
- Call quality is very good and it holds onto signal well in my area.
- Sound quality out of the side mounted speaker is actually surprisingly good, at least as good as an iPhone 6s. Headphone performance is also excellent .
- Performance has been nothing short of excellent. I feel we have reached a point where there are not that many tasks that we do that actually need a Snapdragon 821 to run smoothly - granted, some 3d games need serious power on tap to run at their highest settings on a quad HD screen, but with a 720p screen, the A3 2017 runs pretty much anything at best quality without delay or hiccup. And everyday operation is smooth as butter without any lag or slowdowns. Granted, this is very early days, but I am hopeful this will continue.
- Battery life is astounding. I charged it on Saturday night and hit 100% at 10.20pm. I took it off charger and only put it back on at 2% while writing this review and I had nearly 9 hrs and 30mins of screen on time over 1 day and 3 hours. That includes 64 mins of voice calls. Please note that I was home all day on Wifi, but still, I have never seen times like that, not least from a 2300 odd mah battery. Awesome. It also charges pretty fast.
- Other stuff - water proofing is great, finally have USB-C, charges really quickly with the included adaptive charging brick, finally has a blue light filter.
And now for the balance of the review:
- Slippery despite its size, so a case or a skin is advisable.
- 16gb of internal memory nearly broke the deal for me, but a 64gb card and some transferring of apps has left me with 3.8gb left to play with internally. Definitely not ideal and a very cheap move from Samsung, but I'm also hoping Nougat brings adoptable storage soon which will eliminate this as an issue (here's hoping!).
- No notification light is something I have to adjust to, but the always on display does help *somewhat* ( I prefer the light as it's something that alerts me from afar, whereas the display is on regardless of whether you have a notification or not).
- Camera as described above has some shortcomings.
- Usual Samsung software compromised with bloatware - lots of useless stuff on here that eats into that 16gb that I cannot delete (Microsoft suite, Samsung junk, usual duplicate apps that we all use the Google version of). I'll keep trying the usual routes to rid the phone of this but I may have to wait a while.
Other than these points, I am really pleased. It feels nice to have paid relatively little for a device that feels so premium. I know there are other phones at relatively low prices that kill this on specs (OP3, Axon 7, Honor 8, etc) but they are generally much bigger handsets, so for anyone looking at something smaller, this is a great buy.
TL;DR, it's great, buy one if you like small phones ?
I always wanted a phone with an small amoled screen and water proofing so i jumped ship from the huge mate 8 to witch i am comparing. I agree with your pros but i found: 1-the camera is average and lacking OIS (need very stable hands), 2- cannot use sd card as default storage (very handy on mate 8), 3- phone very slippery, 4- Design and Screen of a3 2016 seemed better (personal opinion), 5- no stutter but little slow (comparing to mate 8). Only lacks IR blaster to check all boxes but we can't have everything.
Great feedback, thanks guys.
You mentioned not display is good but not awesome, could you elaborate? Is issue clarity or something else? Thanks.
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Great feedback, thanks guys.
You mentioned not display is good but not awesome, could you elaborate? Is issue clarity or something else? Thanks.
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Coming from a larger phone with a quad HD screen, it's never going to look as dazzlingly sharp, but on a 4.7 inch screen 720p still looks great and it is perfectly sharp and clear - if you've ever seen an iPhone screen, this feels much the same. Colours can be adjusted to your preference - I prefer accurate rather than punchy, but you can set it to either or somewhere in between.
I've had everything from a galaxy s6 which has crazy high pixel density to a Moto x, and personally I prefer the 720p smaller screen because it's far more efficient and I don't notice the pixel density difference after an hour or two.
Hope this helps.
Sunil_Kaura said:
Coming from a larger phone with a quad HD screen, it's never going to look as dazzlingly sharp, but on a 4.7 inch screen 720p still looks great and it is perfectly sharp and clear - if you've ever seen an iPhone screen, this feels much the same. Colours can be adjusted to your preference - I prefer accurate rather than punchy, but you can set it to either or somewhere in between.
I've had everything from a galaxy s6 which has crazy high pixel density to a Moto x, and personally I prefer the 720p smaller screen because it's far more efficient and I don't notice the pixel density difference after an hour or two.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks!
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Thanks for sharing this. I am also very happy with this phone so far. It's my second day with it, the battery is at 39% with 4h45 sot and 1d3h total since unplugged. In a night of 9 hours, the phone just lost 3%.
I have noticed though that wifi is constantly detected as running by betterbatterysats, even if it's turned off. Any idea how to fix this?
patci32 said:
I have noticed though that wifi is constantly detected as running by betterbatterysats, even if it's turned off. Any idea how to fix this?
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Have you checked in Settings -> Connections -> Location?
There are some wifi settings behind it (in location method and improve accuracy) you can deactivate.
F157 said:
Have you checked in Settings -> Connections -> Location?
There are some wifi settings behind it (in location method and improve accuracy) you can deactivate.
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Indeed, I didn't know. Thanks, I hope this works.
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F157 said:
Have you checked in Settings -> Connections -> Location?
There are some wifi settings behind it (in location method and improve accuracy) you can deactivate.
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Also, could you please tell me if you use other settings to improve your battery life?
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Indeed, I didn't know. Thanks, I hope this works.
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Also, could you please tell me if you use other settings to improve your battery life?
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Mm, nothing special yet, as I'm really happy with battery life so far.
What I did in the past with other devices is for example use the app greenify (needs root) to hibernate apps you don't want to run in the background.
Also, something that really helped me with my old s4 mini was to set mobile network to 2g, and only switch to lte once required.
And as always, use wifi instead of mobile network as often as possible, disable Bluetooth if not needed, etc.
£280?!?! That's highway robbery for a device with 720p, small battery and everything in budget-range. You get this, all the bells and whistles for £150 with a well known Chinese brand. Now I know why I'd never ever get a Slamsug.
iMaterial said:
£280?!?! That's highway robbery for a device with 720p, small battery and everything in budget-range. You get this, all the bells and whistles for £150 with a well known Chinese brand. Now I know why I'd never ever get a Slamsug.
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Please could you elaborate on one of these phones that you can get for £150? I'm pretty clued up but if I've missed something I'd be keen for you to share what you've found for myself and the community - my mother needs a new phone so if you've seen something better than the A3 for less I'd love to buy it
Sunil_Kaura said:
Please could you elaborate on one of these phones that you can get for £150? I'm pretty clued up but if I've missed something I'd be keen for you to share what you've found for myself and the community - my mother needs a new phone so if you've seen something better than the A3 for less I'd love to buy it
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Which stats are you looking for? Battery? Screen res? SoC power?
Compare, with €150 phones, battery, res, SoC, well anything really part from 10 mm in size.
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Which stats are you looking for? Battery? Screen res? SoC power?
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Well I'm referring to your comment that you could get a better phone for £150, so I guess I'm wondering what phone you are saying is better for that price...
The battery life of the A3 is epic, the PPI is still perfectly decent (720p on 4.7 inches is still perfectly usable and arguably 1080p is unnecessary) and the SoC is both fat and frugal.
So really I'm wondering whether you can get something the same or better for less money
I'd be happy with an alternative with same form factor. Any recommendations? The A3 still not available in US.
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I'd be happy with an alternative with same form factor. Any recommendations? The A3 still not available in US.
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4.5 to 4.7" screen, 720p res. 2015 - today, only 4-5 options comes up.
http://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2015&nHeightMax=135&nDisplayResMin=921600&fDisplayInchesMin=4.5&fDisplayInchesMax=4.7
Only A3, Sony X and Z5 compact, Xiaomi Redmi 2 Pro has enough RAM, battery and goodies. LG Spirit and Alcatel Idol 3 only has 1 GB and 1.5 GB RAM, not really a viable option.
Sunil_Kaura said:
Well I'm referring to your comment that you could get a better phone for £150, so I guess I'm wondering what phone you are saying is better for that price...
The battery life of the A3 is epic, the PPI is still perfectly decent (720p on 4.7 inches is still perfectly usable and arguably 1080p is unnecessary) and the SoC is both fat and frugal.
So really I'm wondering whether you can get something the same or better for less money
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The Redmi 4 Pro can be had for €150 and its battery life is Epic also, the Redmi 3 Pro is way better than A3 and Redmi 4 Pro, with 720p but alas 5". Redmi note 3 is also really good, for even less than €150. Samsung is priced at least £100 than it should, but the same can be said about Sony and Apple also.
iMaterial said:
4.5 to 4.7" screen, 720p res. 2015 - today, only 4-5 options comes up.
http://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2015&nHeightMax=135&nDisplayResMin=921600&fDisplayInchesMin=4.5&fDisplayInchesMax=4.7
Only A3, Sony X and Z5 compact, Xiaomi Redmi 2 Pro has enough RAM, battery and goodies. LG Spirit and Alcatel Idol 3 only has 1 GB and 1.5 GB RAM, not really a viable option.
The Redmi 4 Pro can be had for €150 and its battery life is Epic also, the Redmi 3 Pro is way better than A3 and Redmi 4 Pro, with 720p but alas 5". Redmi note 3 is also really good, for even less than €150. Samsung is priced at least £100 than it should, but the same can be said about Sony and Apple also.
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I agree the Xiaomi phones are compelling - my main issue is the fact that they are all grey imports - many purchasers have reported that they do not get any warranty support whatsoever, they generally require a more experienced android user to side load the Google play store, and they have sketchy android skins which have also been reported to spy on their users.
Don't get me wrong, Touchwiz (or Grace UI as it's now known) is not exactly great, but I'd rather know I can walk into a Samsung store and get a problem fixed than rely on a Hong Kong based website for support.
I think it's only fair to compare this phone to what can be had in Europe, and in that regard, it blows the Sony X Compact, Alcatel and others out of the water.
And given its build quality and design, it's good value compared to phones that retail for double this cost.
Also, most Xiaomi phones don't come with NFC (no android pay), some don't have scratch resistant glass, no quick charging, etc
The A3 also uses a processor built on the 14nm process which is up to date technology, whereas the Xiaomi phones at that price point use outdated processors like the 650 and 616.
The 14nm process is what gives the A3 it's great battery life without needing a 4000mAh battery and heavier construction.
A final point - check out the videos of the Redmi note 3 bend test - not encouraging! (I will add the Redmi 3 pro did significantly better though which is good progress).
Sunil_Kaura said:
I agree the Xiaomi phones are compelling - my main issue is the fact that they are all grey imports - many purchasers have reported that they do not get any warranty support whatsoever, they generally require a more experienced android user to side load the Google play store, and they have sketchy android skins which have also been reported to spy on their users.
Don't get me wrong, Touchwiz (or Grace UI as it's now known) is not exactly great, but I'd rather know I can walk into a Samsung store and get a problem fixed than rely on a Hong Kong based website for support.
I think it's only fair to compare this phone to what can be had in Europe, and in that regard, it blows the Sony X Compact, Alcatel and others out of the water.
And given its build quality and design, it's good value compared to phones that retail for double this cost.
Also, most Xiaomi phones don't come with NFC (no android pay), some don't have scratch resistant glass, no quick charging, etc
The A3 also uses a processor built on the 14nm process which is up to date technology, whereas the Xiaomi phones at that price point use outdated processors like the 650 and 616.
The 14nm process is what gives the A3 it's great battery life without needing a 4000mAh battery and heavier construction.
A final point - check out the videos of the Redmi note 3 bend test - not encouraging! (I will add the Redmi 3 pro did significantly better though which is good progress).
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The Redmi 4 Pro that I bought for a friend in Jan has the 14 nm Snapdragon 625. I can agree that it might lack a few finishing touches, but I could buy it for €150 inc shipping from aliexpress and get it in 7-9 days. But it's half the price, and I know the Adreno is a better GPU than the Mali.
Both on the Xiaomi and the Slamsug, first thing I would do it TWRP and LAOS ROM, they can keep their crap TW and MIUI, can't stand it.
Never the less, it shouldn't be 2x the price for something that is almost inferior in some points and better on others. Esp not in 2017, maybe some years ago, but every day there are better and better phones for under €200, like the Moto G5 and such, only problem is they are so damn big, and big phones are 99/100 new that are coming out, these days, sadly.
iMaterial said:
The Redmi 4 Pro that I bought for a friend in Jan has the 14 nm Snapdragon 625. I can agree that it might lack a few finishing touches, but I could buy it for €150 inc shipping from aliexpress and get it in 7-9 days. But it's half the price, and I know the Adreno is a better GPU than the Mali.
Both on the Xiaomi and the Slamsug, first thing I would do it TWRP and LAOS ROM, they can keep their crap TW and MIUI, can't stand it.
Never the less, it shouldn't be 2x the price for something that is almost inferior in some points and better on others. Esp not in 2017, maybe some years ago, but every day there are better and better phones for under €200, like the Moto G5 and such, only problem is they are so damn big, and big phones are 99/100 new that are coming out, these days, sadly.
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Can't disagree there - it's frustrating how few phones there are under 5 inches available.
I will say though that besides the Xiaomi phones which look to have a nice build, the Moto G4 is very cheap feeling, as are most of the other phones available here in that price bracket, so I would happily pay a little more for a nice looking and premium feeling device.
If the Samsung we're £220 I think it'd sell by the bucket load as £20-40 above phones like the G4 would likely tempt many up, but at £280 I agree that it's a harder sell for the lay person.
I'm looking at from the other side - it's a mild compromise from an S7 or a iPhone 6s/7 , but it's half the price, rather than double that of a cheaper device.
And it absolutely looks and feels as good as a £5-600 phone.
Sunil_Kaura said:
Can't disagree there - it's frustrating how few phones there are under 5 inches available.
I will say though that besides the Xiaomi phones which look to have a nice build, the Moto G4 is very cheap feeling, as are most of the other phones available here in that price bracket, so I would happily pay a little more for a nice looking and premium feeling device.
If the Samsung we're £220 I think it'd sell by the bucket load as £20-40 above phones like the G4 would likely tempt many up, but at £280 I agree that it's a harder sell for the lay person.
I'm looking at from the other side - it's a mild compromise from an S7 or a iPhone 6s/7 , but it's half the price, rather than double that of a cheaper device.
And it absolutely looks and feels as good as a £5-600 phone.
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There are so many on this forum and in other places that airs the same frustration, so few options for a mobile ca 130mm lenght and 4.5 - 4.7" screen (720p at least), that I'm starting to wonder if we should do something about it, maybe talk to so manufacturer to make at least 1-2 phones under 5"
The Redmi 4 Pro I used for a few weeks felt no worse in build than the Iphone 6 or 6S I have tried a few times, both in metal around 140 - 145mm size. But for €310 I can get a Xiaomi Mi 5 with 820 and have €100 in change over. I have never held a Moto G, last Motorola I have tried was the 4.3" Razr Maxx and it felt solid as a rock.
The J5 goes for around €180-190 here and I see no reason why this smaller, entry level A3 shouldn't be priced in a similar fashion. These days due to deaths in the family and such I'm so poor that €100 is more than I can spare and my Android mobile that I have now is from 2012 or so, single core with 512 MB RAM and I hate every minute when I'm using it. I'm lucky to have been given a 2009 Sony Ericsson C901 as my main caller.
Just my 1¢ (It used to be 2¢, but due to the recession I've had to make cutbacks)
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What annoys me a lot is also that this A3 is bigger than the A3 (2016) and the battery is only 50 mAh bigger. They could easily have put a 2500 - 2800 mAh battery in this one, just like the Sony Z3, Z5 or X compact, which is 5 mm smaller.
My last perfect phone was the original moto x. I still use it. I am not a power user but the X just needs lil more power but on cm13 it's not bad.
I don't even mind going with old phone as long as has some custom roms to improve performance.
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I ran a short survey on Twitter asking people what old flagship/affordable last-gen phone would they get for a balance of true all-day battery, water-resistance, a great (not just good) camera & above average performance.
My choices were Moto G4, Xperia Z3 & something else. People chose the Z3.
Would u guys agree despite being a few years old, noisy photos when zoomed in and guaranteed no Nougat update?
Gino76ph said:
I ran a short survey on Twitter asking people what old flagship/affordable last-gen phone would they get for a balance of true all-day battery, water-resistance, a great (not just good) camera & above average performance.
My choices were Moto G4, Xperia Z3 & something else. People chose the Z3.
Would u guys agree despite being a few years old, noisy photos when zoomed in and guaranteed no Nougat update?
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I came from Nexus 6 which was $700 when it first came out (smashed its screen) and I'd say the 4g of RAM helps the Moto G4 Plus ($150 used) over the Nexus 6. Its smaller size is also more manageable and less likely to drop to smash screen. It has Nougat 7.0 now for stock and 7.1.2 for custom roms (Lineage, AOSP, and others based on Lineage and AOSP roms). The unlockable bootloader on both phones are important if custom roms, root, and TWRP recovery is your thing. I stayed away from Samsung for their always LOCKED bootloader which limits customizations.
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I came from Nexus 6
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I had a Nexus 6 but recently sold it. I have considered getting a Moto G4 but I have some reservations about doing so mainly because of hearing stories about the phone overheating with that 617 processor(known for overheating issues), and no removable battery (which probably contributes to the overheating issue). I would also prefer two front facing speakers like the Nexus 6 has but it's not a deal breaker 'cause they just don't make too many phones with dual front facing speakers.
Anyway, how do you like the Moto G4? How is the quality of the single speaker? Motorola phones usually have good speaker quality. I hope they didn't disappoint with the Moto G4 because I listen to a lot of music on my phones (usually without headphones).
Are you on the 7.0 Nougat update and if so do you notice any performance and camera improvements?
Just don't see a lot out there that grabs my attention and being as though I'm on Verizon my options are limited so I am considering the Moto G4.
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I had a Nexus 6 but recently sold it. I have considered getting a Moto G4 but I have some reservations about doing so mainly because of hearing stories about the phone overheating with that 617 processor(known for overheating issues), and no removable battery (which probably contributes to the overheating issue). I would also prefer two front facing speakers like the Nexus 6 has but it's not a deal breaker 'cause they just don't make too many phones with dual front facing speakers.
Anyway, how do you like the Moto G4? How is the quality of the single speaker? Motorola phones usually have good speaker quality. I hope they didn't disappoint with the Moto G4 because I listen to a lot of music on my phones (usually without headphones).
Are you on the 7.0 Nougat update and if so do you notice any performance and camera improvements?
Just don't see a lot out there that grabs my attention and being as though I'm on Verizon my options are limited so I am considering the Moto G4.
Thanks
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I like it but it's nothing beat Nexus 6 for custom rom flashing and development. You have to be careful with Athene (Moto G4/G4 Plus) or you can hard brick it completely without any chance of recovery. Upside is at 5.5", G4's screen is less likely to crack from drops compared to Nexus 6's 6" screen. Battery life is about the same (both 3000 mAH). No wireless charging on Athene if that's important to you. Turbo charging is more reliable on Moto G4--consistently 7.5v X 1.5A while Nexus 6 Turbo charging is not as reliable (mostly 5v X 1.5A). Sound is obviously not as good for stereo music as Nexus 6, but good enough for movies in mono sound. Both (G4 Plus and Nexus 6) cost about $150 used and both great phones. Reception wise is same on Verizon. SIM is micro on MOTO G4 vs nano on Nexus 6--I made a DIY adapter out of an old credit card for my nano sim to fit my Micro SIM slot for Athene. MicroSD is nice on Athene--128gb + 64gb on Moto G4 Plus is SWEET. I can hold all my custom roms on the microSD card while the 32gb Nexus 6 had to dump roms constantly to my PC. 4gb of RAM on Moto G4 Plus vs 3gb of RAM on Nexus 6 is not much different speed wise since Nexus 6 processor is more powerful than Moto G4's but the extra ram made up for that. 2gb of RAM on the plain Moto G4 will be slower than 3g Nexus 6. Nougat is better but worse on battery than Marshmallow. Camera did not change in Nougat.
classic757 said:
I had a Nexus 6 but recently sold it. I have considered getting a Moto G4 but I have some reservations about doing so mainly because of hearing stories about the phone overheating with that 617 processor(known for overheating issues), and no removable battery (which probably contributes to the overheating issue). I would also prefer two front facing speakers like the Nexus 6 has but it's not a deal breaker 'cause they just don't make too many phones with dual front facing speakers.
Anyway, how do you like the Moto G4? How is the quality of the single speaker? Motorola phones usually have good speaker quality. I hope they didn't disappoint with the Moto G4 because I listen to a lot of music on my phones (usually without headphones).
Are you on the 7.0 Nougat update and if so do you notice any performance and camera improvements?
Just don't see a lot out there that grabs my attention and being as though I'm on Verizon my options are limited so I am considering the Moto G4.
Thanks
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The speakers I must say are better than the Xperia Z5 and XZ I had in the past. They are front-firing so sound will be directed in your face so that not an issue. It could be louder but you can't have everything you know. The camera I would say is more natural but can be washed out or overexposed at certain conditions. But is better IMO than my old Galaxy A5 2016, an iPhone SE, Huawei P8 Lite, Wileyfox Swift and the older Moto G.
But the one thing I started to hate about the phone is the lack of compass. Using Google Maps for walking navigation (here in the UK and travelling sometimes) I cannot even calibrate G-Maps so loading up the app takes a tad slow and may sometime freezes up. I may have above average 4G signal all the time it may be an issue but it IS starting to be an issue especially due to my work. It is currently on Nougat 7.0 with the March 2017 security update. This is also another pet peeve...slowness of updates. And I have heard the phone may not even see Nougat 7.1.1. So now I have started to hunt for my next phone.
HueyT said:
I like it but it's nothing beat Nexus 6 for custom rom flashing and development. You have to be careful with Athene (Moto G4/G4 Plus) or you can hard brick it completely without any chance of recovery. Upside is at 5.5", G4's screen is less likely to crack from drops compared to Nexus 6's 6" screen. Battery life is about the same (both 3000 mAH). No wireless charging on Athene if that's important to you. Turbo charging is more reliable on Moto G4--consistently 7.5v X 1.5A while Nexus 6 Turbo charging is not as reliable (mostly 5v X 1.5A). Sound is obviously not as good for stereo music as Nexus 6, but good enough for movies in mono sound. Both (G4 Plus and Nexus 6) cost about $150 used and both great phones. Reception wise is same on Verizon. SIM is micro on MOTO G4 vs nano on Nexus 6--I made a DIY adapter out of an old credit card for my nano sim to fit my Micro SIM slot for Athene. MicroSD is nice on Athene--128gb + 64gb on Moto G4 Plus is SWEET. I can hold all my custom roms on the microSD card while the 32gb Nexus 6 had to dump roms constantly to my PC. 4gb of RAM on Moto G4 Plus vs 3gb of RAM on Nexus 6 is not much different speed wise since Nexus 6 processor is more powerful than Moto G4's but the extra ram made up for that. 2gb of RAM on the plain Moto G4 will be slower than 3g Nexus 6. Nougat is better but worse on battery than Marshmallow. Camera did not change in Nougat.
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I hoping (against hope) that the new upcoming Moto G5S Plus would have the same 5.5" screen, USB Type-C with USB 3.0 speeds, Louder speakers, 3GB-4GB RAM as standard, some form of IP-rating and Nougat 7.1.1 the very least. If not I am just going to find my new phone in somewhere. I am studying on old flagships like the 6S Plus, S7 or even the Galaxy A5 2017 or Nokia 5.
I've had a Note 2 then 4 since @ 2012-2013. I just bought a used Note 8 and have had it for @ 3 days. I really don't like it very much. I remember feeling like going from the the 2 -> 4 was unnecessary, but don't think I disliked the 4 when I first used it. I'm wondering if I just need to acclimate to it & tweak it to my preferences.
The camera seems awesome, I like the water resistance, I love having more RAM, fingerprint is great, otherwise:
-it feels more difficult to use
-it feels less intuitive opening multi window, using the settings menu, it feels like everything requires an extra 2-3 steps
-it doesn't feel noticeably faster to me in everyday use. Apps seem to take @ the same time to transition open, screen swiping feels about the same. Maybe it's noticeable under heavy use.
-it still takes 1:45 to charge
-the width feels much better in my hand, but I don't like the screen ratio. When using it as GPS in the car, it feels, at best, equal to the Note 4 (I think the 4's width is an advantage). It's really irritating that the top/bottom edges of videos get cut off when fullscreen. The screen color is nice.
-menu/back buttons are a wash. sometimes annoying, sometimes nice.
-i hate the s-pen pop out so far
I use my Note 4 mainly for:
-music + video playback over bluetooth earphones & connected to the car's head unit
-web browsing and/or youtube split screen
-S-Pen gets used almost daily (Note 7 stylus tips are awesome in the 4's pen!)
-GPS, I don't have many GPS problems or complaints about the receiver
-camera
I use the exclusive Note 4 features-
-swapping batteries (OEM + 2 Ankers/wall charger)
-IR transmitter @ 2-3x/week
I like that the Note 8 has-
-Awesome camera
-fingerprint sensor that you don't have to swipe
-more RAM. I haven't put it through the wringer with tons of open apps etc. Honestly I could just focus on shutting stuff down & clearing the phone more often, it's just a convenience.
-I really like pulling out the S-Pen and instantly writing on the lock screen. But pulling out the S-Pen is such a PITA compared to the 4, I think I would hate it for daily use.
-feels better in hand, I don't like the height so far.
-the curved front/back is a positive and negative
-the speaker sounds.. different. louder- i'm not sure if it's 'better'
I'm planning on reselling the 8 after 1-2 weeks. Any tips or suggestions before I do? I think I'll keep using the 4 for another few years. I've seen good reviews of the Pixel XL 2's speediness; but I have a 256gb microSD in my Note 4. I wish I could shave a couple mm's off the 4's bezels & give it some more powerful hardware. Thanks for any advice
Almost all your problems are solved in settings itself. Try to explore.
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I've had a Note 2 then 4 since @ 2012-2013. I just bought a used Note 8 and have had it for @ 3 days. I really don't like it very much. I remember feeling like going from the the 2 -> 4 was unnecessary, but don't think I disliked the 4 when I first used it. I'm wondering if I just need to acclimate to it & tweak it to my preferences.
The camera seems awesome, I like the water resistance, I love having more RAM, fingerprint is great, otherwise:
-it feels more difficult to use
-it feels less intuitive opening multi window, using the settings menu, it feels like everything requires an extra 2-3 steps
-it doesn't feel noticeably faster to me in everyday use. Apps seem to take @ the same time to transition open, screen swiping feels about the same. Maybe it's noticeable under heavy use.
-it still takes 1:45 to charge
-the width feels much better in my hand, but I don't like the screen ratio. When using it as GPS in the car, it feels, at best, equal to the Note 4 (I think the 4's width is an advantage). It's really irritating that the top/bottom edges of videos get cut off when fullscreen. The screen color is nice.
-menu/back buttons are a wash. sometimes annoying, sometimes nice.
-i hate the s-pen pop out so far
I use my Note 4 mainly for:
-music + video playback over bluetooth earphones & connected to the car's head unit
-web browsing and/or youtube split screen
-S-Pen gets used almost daily (Note 7 stylus tips are awesome in the 4's pen!)
-GPS, I don't have many GPS problems or complaints about the receiver
-camera
I use the exclusive Note 4 features-
-swapping batteries (OEM + 2 Ankers/wall charger)
-IR transmitter @ 2-3x/week
I like that the Note 8 has-
-Awesome camera
-fingerprint sensor that you don't have to swipe
-more RAM. I haven't put it through the wringer with tons of open apps etc. Honestly I could just focus on shutting stuff down & clearing the phone more often, it's just a convenience.
-I really like pulling out the S-Pen and instantly writing on the lock screen. But pulling out the S-Pen is such a PITA compared to the 4, I think I would hate it for daily use.
-feels better in hand, I don't like the height so far.
-the curved front/back is a positive and negative
-the speaker sounds.. different. louder- i'm not sure if it's 'better'
I'm planning on reselling the 8 after 1-2 weeks. Any tips or suggestions before I do? I think I'll keep using the 4 for another few years. I've seen good reviews of the Pixel XL 2's speediness; but I have a 256gb microSD in my Note 4. I wish I could shave a couple mm's off the 4's bezels & give it some more powerful hardware. Thanks for any advice
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"I wish I could shave a couple mm's off the 4's bezels & give it some more powerful hardware." How about use the Note 8! And go into the developer menu and speed up the animation! This thing flies!
- R. Kruse Ludington
Galaxy Note 8<-5<-3<-S3<-Nexus; Droid X; HTC HD2<-Touch Pro 2<-Tilt<-8525; O2 XDA II<-XDA
If you don't like the Note 8 & it's not for you, go ahead & sell it as planned. Everyone is different, no one here should convince you otherwise, they shouldn't have too, no point in asking our opinions, it's your preference. I went from Note 2 to Note 5. I'm not the type to upgrade every single year, not worth it IMO. Note 8 was a nice upgrade from the Note 5. I'm loving the Note 8, my favorite phone to date, but I'm also rooted with custom recovery so I can configure as I please, I can't live with out those features.
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I've had a Note 2 then 4 since @ 2012-2013. I just bought a used Note 8 and have had it for @ 3 days. I really don't like it very much. I remember feeling like going from the the 2 -> 4 was unnecessary, but don't think I disliked the 4 when I first used it. I'm wondering if I just need to acclimate to it & tweak it to my preferences.
The camera seems awesome, I like the water resistance, I love having more RAM, fingerprint is great, otherwise:
-it feels more difficult to use
-it feels less intuitive opening multi window, using the settings menu, it feels like everything requires an extra 2-3 steps
-it doesn't feel noticeably faster to me in everyday use. Apps seem to take @ the same time to transition open, screen swiping feels about the same. Maybe it's noticeable under heavy use.
-it still takes 1:45 to charge
-the width feels much better in my hand, but I don't like the screen ratio. When using it as GPS in the car, it feels, at best, equal to the Note 4 (I think the 4's width is an advantage). It's really irritating that the top/bottom edges of videos get cut off when fullscreen. The screen color is nice.
-menu/back buttons are a wash. sometimes annoying, sometimes nice.
-i hate the s-pen pop out so far
I use my Note 4 mainly for:
-music + video playback over bluetooth earphones & connected to the car's head unit
-web browsing and/or youtube split screen
-S-Pen gets used almost daily (Note 7 stylus tips are awesome in the 4's pen!)
-GPS, I don't have many GPS problems or complaints about the receiver
-camera
I use the exclusive Note 4 features-
-swapping batteries (OEM + 2 Ankers/wall charger)
-IR transmitter @ 2-3x/week
I like that the Note 8 has-
-Awesome camera
-fingerprint sensor that you don't have to swipe
-more RAM. I haven't put it through the wringer with tons of open apps etc. Honestly I could just focus on shutting stuff down & clearing the phone more often, it's just a convenience.
-I really like pulling out the S-Pen and instantly writing on the lock screen. But pulling out the S-Pen is such a PITA compared to the 4, I think I would hate it for daily use.
-feels better in hand, I don't like the height so far.
-the curved front/back is a positive and negative
-the speaker sounds.. different. louder- i'm not sure if it's 'better'
I'm planning on reselling the 8 after 1-2 weeks. Any tips or suggestions before I do? I think I'll keep using the 4 for another few years. I've seen good reviews of the Pixel XL 2's speediness; but I have a 256gb microSD in my Note 4. I wish I could shave a couple mm's off the 4's bezels & give it some more powerful hardware. Thanks for any advice
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Don't worry, you'll get used to it.
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what I miss the most from the note 4 is the leathery back and the paint on the bezel that wasn't as likely to scratch or chip.
what I definitely do not miss is the 1 year life expectancy of the motherboard.
mine died from motherboard failure after about a year, it got repaired under warranty, and a year after I got it back it died from the exact same motherboard failure.
the note 8 feels more fragile on the outside, but I definitely wouldn't ever want to go back to the note 4.
I got the 8 and used it for a month or so. I them went back to the 4 for a couple of days thinking there wouldn't be much difference but in reality the 8 is so much better.
Although I wasn't a fan of the 18:9 display initially I do prefer it now and the 4 was also noticeably slower. Even with a new Anker battery the 8 out lasts the 4 by some margin.
I still have my Note 4 as a backup but definitely no going back for me.
A side from not having the user removable battery. I actually like the Note 8 more than I expected. It is fast, the design and features are very good. Just wished that Samsung Notes and S Note had the OCR function from the Note 8.
I had the Note, Note3, LG G4 (worst decision I've ever made) and now the Note8. When I got the Note3 I thought it was the best phone ever created, with so many good features that I liked. Now, having the Note8, I feel like this is the greatest phone ever made. There's nothing about the Note8 that I don't like.
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I had the Note, Note3, LG G4 (worst decision I've ever made) and now the Note8. When I got the Note3 I thought it was the best phone ever created, with so many good features that I liked. Now, having the Note8, I feel like this is the greatest phone ever phone. There's nothing about the Note8 that I don't like.
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Ditto
- R. Kruse Ludington
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Max_Terrible said:
I had the Note, Note3, LG G4 (worst decision I've ever made) and now the Note8. When I got the Note3 I thought it was the best phone ever created, with so many good features that I liked. Now, having the Note8, I feel like this is the greatest phone ever made. There's nothing about the Note8 that I don't like.
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Same as above, except for me I tried the LG V10 hated it.
Note 4 was my favorite so far. Obviously not withstanding technology advancement etc compared to the Note 8.
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This is my 1st Note. I remember one of my colleagues had a note some years ago and I thought it was a monstrosity at the time. But he loved the thing and he would pull that S pen out and looked like he was having a ball. Now that I have one I understand that gleam in his eye. This device is just a great big beast of functionaliy and fun and hands down one of the best devices I've owned. Almost a year after purchase and it's running as smoothly as the day it was unboxed. I'm still on Nougat and Oreo has been sitting in the cue for weeks now. My phone runs great as it is now and I don't see anything that O has to offer that compels me to risk all of the problems others have had after upgrading. Anyone else?
I Have a note 3, a note 4, a note 7 and a note 8, the note 8 is obviously the best in every aspect, only thing I sometimes miss a little is the IR blaster, and of course the removable batt, but the water resistant feature gives you peace of mind, so, it is a ttade off, my note 4 has a a very annoying echo in calls, that would be my only complaint got tired trying to eliminate it
Limeybastard said:
Same as above, except for me I tried the LG V10 hated it.
Note 4 was my favorite so far. Obviously not withstanding technology advancement etc compared to the Note 8.
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I wanted the V10, but it wasn't available in South Africa. The reason I went for the G4 and not the Note5, at the time, is because I wanted a slightly cheaper phone and the Note5 didn't have the SD Card storage feature, which was a deal-breaker for me.
I see a lot of people saying the Note4 is or was their favourite. I have a friend that still has a Note4 and an S8 and she says she still loves the Note4 very much. More than the S8. She basically just uses the S8 for Whatsapp and the Note4 for everything else.
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I wanted the V10, but it wasn't available in South Africa. The reason I went for the G4 and not the Note5, at the time, is because I wanted a slightly cheaper phone and the Note5 didn't have the SD Card storage feature, which was a deal-breaker for me.
I see a lot of people saying the Note4 is or was their favourite. I have a friend that still has a Note4 and an S8 and she says she still loves the Note4 very much. More than the S8. She basically just uses the S8 for Whatsapp and the Note4 for everything else.
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Yep, Note 4 was lovely. Skipped the Note 5 for the same reason you did. Not being finiky, but I'd like to see some sort of future Note model without the curved edges. I don't think the curved edges have any purpose currently.
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My phone runs great as it is now and I don't see anything that O has to offer that compels me to risk all of the problems others have had after upgrading. Anyone else?
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That's great you like it as it is but the big argument for upgrading is the security patches...
You might find a few little extra's included that need searching for too as they aren't paraded around or listed in the changelog...
Not saying you have to but I have never had any problem with upgrades - using a non-rooted Exynos 950F.
Sometimes the pay-off is worth the risk and sometimes not, I'll leave it in your hands to decide what to do with your toy...
The curved and TV-remote type of body is definitely lame and unnecessary for a gadget that is supposed to have notes taking as its strong point. Why not leave those for the Galaxy S family ? The inability to change/remove battery is a combination of planned obsolescence and surveillance dystopia. The absence of AOSP/Lineage/Resurrection ROMs is the price we have to pay for Exynos. Battery and standby time are mediocre but at least it charges fast and the camera is good enough. The stylus is as crap/cheap as ever.
The problem is that, with Note 4, you want to go with performance/Exynos; then you basically have an unsupported/abandoned mobile, even though LineageOS has been resurrected lately in XDA by @dl12345 (original work by @bonuzzz). And the damn thing typically runs too hot and often throttles. RAM is low too.
Note 5 was a downgrade in every regard.
Note 3 was my favourite and probably the best, at least regarding popularity/support/market impact. But no OIS, terrible camera performance by today's standards (especially if you got rid of Samsung ROMs in order to make sense for having it), and the phone's built quality leaves a lot to be desired (Note 4 was an improvement).
A Note 7/FE with removable battery and a better built stylus would have been the ideal phone for me but designers/marketers/managers at Samsung never have a clue.
My Note 4 died a view months ago so I bought a Note 8. Although it has more power and all I still miss my Note 4. I hate the round edges of my Note 8. It's a pain in the a.. to use it with remote desktop. Those edges are good for nothing. I also hate the fact that I can't replace the battery anymore. Now I have to carry a power bank with me, while before I just had a fully charged replacement battery with me.
Screen and power is very good, but the old screen was better as it has not had this silly aspect ratio. I want to show my pictures with my phone, but due to the silly aspect ratio, I have huge black borders left and right and the actual area feels smaller than on my Note 4.
So yes, I liked my Note 4 more, but the Note 8 is not a bad phone at all.
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I know there is someone who always has one post like this for every new model released, so this time I couldn't resist to post this.
Samsung removed these features that were available on Note9 from Note10:
- MicroSD slot
- Headphone jack
- Higher res display
- 2nd selfie cam
- Heart rate sensor
- Bixby button(thank you)
This is in addition to removal of:
- IR blaster in S7 and later models
- Iris unlock in S10 and later models
- Notification LED in S10 and later models
- Removable battery in S6 and later models
- Locked bootloader in North American S7 and later models
This looks like a downhill slope, copying other companies' business model and increasing prices at the same time. I do not see how anyone would be excited with these new iterations.
The only advantage you get from newer models is faster CPU/GPU and in some cases faster radio that's about it.
Samsung should remember what happened to NOKIA's phone business. I hope the US Note 10 at least comes with dual SIM slot since they got rid of microSD in smaller Note 10 version. Also I can't believe we need to buy the 45W charger separately and that is only available on the + model!
VICosPhi said:
I know there is someone who always has one post like this for every new model released, so this time I couldn't resist to post this.
Samsung removed these features that were available on Note9 from Note10:
- MicroSD slot
- Headphone jack
- Higher res display
- 2nd selfie cam
- Heart rate sensor
- Bixby button(thank you)
This is in addition to removal of:
- IR blaster in S7 and later models
- Iris unlock in S10 and later models
- Notification LED in S10 and later models
- Removable battery in S6 and later models
- Locked bootloader in North American S7 and later models
This looks like a downhill slope, copying other companies' business model and increasing prices at the same time. I do not see how anyone would be excited with these new iterations.
The only advantage you get from newer models is faster CPU/GPU and in some cases faster radio that's about it.
Samsung should remember what happened to NOKIA's phone business. I hope the US Note 10 at least comes with dual SIM slot since they got rid of microSD in smaller Note 10 version. Also I can't believe we need to buy the 45W charger separately and that is only available on the + model!
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They also introduced UFS 3.0 storage which has to be much faster than UFS 2.1
Yes that is a welcome addition. I think S10 5G also has UFS 3.0
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I can understand why some people aren't so blown away by the new Note 10, but in reality the Note 10 plus is the real successor to the Note 9.
Since the Note 8, the Note series has been a slight iterative upgrade of that years S series flagship, so again, someone coming from the S10+, may not see a need to ditch that for the Note 10/plus.
However, I'm upgrading this year from my 2 year old Note 8 to the Note 10 plus 5G, and I couldn't be happier. What's not to like about this device?
Im getting a vastly improved camera experience, as in, low light shooting, wide angle lens, better stabilisation, new depth sensing with the TOF module, which now allows me to carry out 3D mapping and modelling, a feature previously only available on very expensive specialist cameras.
I get faster storage that's been increased 4 fold, double the RAM memory, more resilient hardware with a stainless steel instead of aluminium frame, and Gorilla glass 6 instead of 5.
I get an improved S pen with added functionality which will increase my productivity, sure, some of it seems gimmicky at the moment, but will surely be expanded on by developers in the future.
DeX has been improved, allowing greater and more seamless integration with my laptops and PC's, and we've still to see if any improvements have been made to Linux on DeX, but the increased RAM and faster storage won't hurt.
As for gaming, the improved cooling system, the additional RAM, faster storage and integration with a PC are not to be sniffed at.
And last but not least, I'm doing my bit to save the planet. Because the small iterative changes that Samsung and other manufacturers are making to their devices means that I keep them longer, my upgrade cycle has increased from 1 to now 2 years, possibly moving to 3.
It's all good.
The frame is aluminium. Samsung updated their website. It did say steel originally.
The Note 10+ does have micro sd, QHD display etc. It only lacks the headphone jack which is inexcusable, as it just so they can up sell their galaxy buds.
Yes the smaller and cheaper Note 10 does have several downgrades to the Note 10+, but it’s cheaper.
My view is Samsung is trying to make the Note range more appealing to a more wider audience. Tech geeks represent a small market share.
And specs don’t mean everything. It’s the user experience. I’m sure this will be a great phone in real usage. Look at that screen, with a stylus too that has added functions.
There are many phones with better specs in some areas, but that doesn’t meant it equates to a better phone. Software matters too.
gavinfabl said:
The frame is aluminium. Samsung updated their website. It did say steel originally.
The Note 10+ does have micro sd, QHD display etc. It only lacks the headphone jack which is inexcusable, as it just so they can up sell their galaxy buds.
Yes the smaller and cheaper Note 10 does have several downgrades to the Note 10+, but it’s cheaper.
My view is Samsung is trying to make the Note range more appealing to a more wider audience. Tech geeks represent a small market share.
And specs don’t mean everything. It’s the user experience. I’m sure this will be a great phone in real usage. Look at that screen, with a stylus too that has added functions.
There are many phones with better specs in some areas, but that doesn’t meant it equates to a better phone. Software matters too.
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I agree on all of this sans the headphone jack. I know we each have opinions but in reality one less hole for my pocket lint is a good thing and frankly the dongle thing isn't that bad given the wireless charging. I'm sure someone also sells adaptors that allow charge and 3.5mm.
I just don't get why it's such a big deal. Also isn't the DA usually better via the C port?
jackdforme said:
I agree on all of this sans the headphone jack. I know we each have opinions but in reality one less hole for my pocket lint is a good thing and frankly the dongle thing isn't that bad given the wireless charging. I'm sure someone also sells adaptors that allow charge and 3.5mm.
I just don't get why it's such a big deal. Also isn't the DA usually better via the C port?
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I have the best wireless headphones and earphones. But you cannot beat wired headphones for quality. Also wired don’t need charging.
The biggest inconvenience for me is external mics. Bluetooth adds latency and usb c adapters aren’t perfect either.
Charkatak said:
They also introduced UFS 3.0 storage which has to be much faster than UFS 2.1
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There's no UFS 3 storage on Note 10 or S10 5G
shollywood said:
There's no UFS 3 storage on Note 10 or S10 5G
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https://wccftech.com/galaxy-note-10-ufs-3-test/
https://mspoweruser.com/samsung-gal...er-smartphones-in-terms-of-read-write-speeds/
Charkatak said:
They also introduced UFS 3.0 storage which has to be much faster than UFS 2.1
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Charkatak said:
https://wccftech.com/galaxy-note-10-ufs-3-test/
https://mspoweruser.com/samsung-gal...er-smartphones-in-terms-of-read-write-speeds/
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Interesting, as nowhere has it been stated that it includes UFS 3. Nor did they mention it in the release show? Thats great info thanks
shollywood said:
Interesting, as nowhere has it been stated that it includes UFS 3. Nor did they mention it in the release show? Thats great info thanks
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It doesnt even mention it on sammys website either which is odd.
However pretty much every you tube video does mention it. Guess Samsung didnt figure it was that big of a deal but its definitely a nice to have.
VICosPhi said:
I know there is someone who always has one post like this for every new model released, so this time I couldn't resist to post this.
Samsung removed these features that were available on Note9 from Note10:
- MicroSD slot
- Headphone jack
- Higher res display
- 2nd selfie cam
- Heart rate sensor
- Bixby button(thank you)
This is in addition to removal of:
- IR blaster in S7 and later models
- Iris unlock in S10 and later models
- Notification LED in S10 and later models
- Removable battery in S6 and later models
- Locked bootloader in North American S7 and later models
This looks like a downhill slope, copying other companies' business model and increasing prices at the same time. I do not see how anyone would be excited with these new iterations.
The only advantage you get from newer models is faster CPU/GPU and in some cases faster radio that's about it.
Samsung should remember what happened to NOKIA's phone business. I hope the US Note 10 at least comes with dual SIM slot since they got rid of microSD in smaller Note 10 version. Also I can't believe we need to buy the 45W charger separately and that is only available on the + model!
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I'd say get a Galaxy S6 or S7 to get back all the features you lost. Win win and it's cheap!!!
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with a stainless steel instead of aluminium frame, and Gorilla glass 6 instead of 5
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You might want to double check the stainless steel thing... It's actually aluminium.
The real reason for dropping the headphone socket is the obsession with thinness. It allowed them to make the 10 thinner than the 9.
I'd rather have the phone a mm or two thicker - keep the headphone socket and room for a bigger battery.
Downhill slope? I say Samsung hit on the head with the Note10 and Note10+ I know so many people who want the stylus but not the "size" of a Note. The Note10 is significantly small in hand feel and in dimensions but with just a .1 inch smaller screen size. The plan was for me to get a Note10+ while wife and kid would get the S10+ and S10. The second they saw the Note10 in person and realized they can have a stylus in a smaller phone they passed up on the S10 phones...
They do not care for the SD card and any user who does care for it would go for the Note10+ anyways.
The above is my experience too. My wife needed a new phone, her ZX1 Compact was getting a little old. She likes small phones.
I thought she might like the S10e, but when she saw the Note 10 she wanted that.
TechSilver13 said:
I'd say get a Galaxy S6 or S7 to get back all the features you lost. Win win and it's cheap!!!
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I would if Samsung updated those to Android Pie, but they only copy Apple when it comes to eliminating useful features like removable battery and a headphone jack
TechSilver13 said:
I'd say get a Galaxy S6 or S7 to get back all the features you lost. Win win and it's cheap!!!
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I would if Samsung updated those to Android Pie but they are no Apple to provide updates to all of their flagship phones, they only copy Apple when it comes to eliminating useful features like removable battery and a headphone jack
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Downhill slope? I say Samsung hit on the head with the Note10 and Note10+ I know so many people who want the stylus but not the "size" of a Note. The Note10 is significantly small in hand feel and in dimensions but with just a .1 inch smaller screen size. The plan was for me to get a Note10+ while wife and kid would get the S10+ and S10. The second they saw the Note10 in person and realized they can have a stylus in a smaller phone they passed up on the S10 phones...
They do not care for the SD card and any user who does care for it would go for the Note10+ anyways.
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liquidguru said:
The above is my experience too. My wife needed a new phone, her ZX1 Compact was getting a little old. She likes small phones. I thought she might like the S10e, but when she saw the Note 10 she wanted that.
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Yes that is one positive step and even I like the Note 10's size. The issue however is that it does not retain the flagship features. It comes with a lower-res display and lack of microSD and ToF camera, should have called it Note 10-
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Yes that is one positive step and even I like the Note 10's size. The issue however is that it does not retain the flagship features. It comes with a lower-res display and lack of microSD and ToF camera, should have called it Note 10-
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I agree with this, but the wife doesn't care about those features.
I do, like big phones, so got the 10+
Win win
Note 10 was debloated ? just like you remove crap from software, they removed crap from hardware. I personally dont care about any of the stuff they removed. And I would also get rid of tele camera