If NVidia cooperated with Android x86 team to provide a way for end users to install the proprietary drivers, we will get full featured experience from our GPUs. I'm imagining a scenario of a root application or an application pre added to Android x86 and its forks that can download the needed files and place them in system. Also the kernel should be aware how to use the newly added driver. Nouveau and similar one for AMD actually degrades the performance too much. It also overheats and it won't work for all GPU cards. So I made a petition on change.com for this. We need +10k signatures so that we can contact NVidia and AMD to help the android x86 team achieve the change and be able to use the drivers. This petition can change the future of remix OS. We will play ALL games with the highest possible performance. Please people sign this petition, it will take less than a minute. Any suggestions are welcomed.
https://www.change.org/p/mohammed-d...source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
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Look. When was the last time a company was coerced into doing something via a petition? Your effort is laughable. You gather a bunch of teenage kids to sign a fragment of text online hoping rocket science companies will even look at you. NVidia? Really? Asking for open source drivers for Remix OS? Who is Remix OS again? Why don't you stop the non sense and just buy a Google supported device - a chromebook or a chromebox, which will have the Android Play Store in a month anyway. Supported HDMI audio, accelerated graphics, native screen resolution, printing - out of the box.
Why do you Linux guys like to be so sadistic I will never understand. All I read on your forums is how to make your hardware work. Don't you ever get bored of this? Scrap your PC - it's 2016. PCs are falling, Windows is falling. You have no need for a PC. Get a chromebook, officially supported by Google, and get on with your life on a fully working device.
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Look. When was the last time a company was coerced into doing something via a petition? Your effort is laughable. You gather a bunch of teenage kids to sign a fragment of text online hoping rocket science companies will even look at you. NVidia? Really? Asking for open source drivers for Remix OS? Who is Remix OS again? Why don't you stop the non sense and just buy a Google supported device - a chromebook or a chromebox, which will have the Android Play Store in a month anyway. Supported HDMI audio, accelerated graphics, native screen resolution, printing - out of the box.
Why do you Linux guys like to be so sadistic I will never understand. All I read on your forums is how to make your hardware work. Don't you ever get bored of this? Scrap your PC - it's 2016. PCs are falling, Windows is falling. You have no need for a PC. Get a chromebook, officially supported by Google, and get on with your life on a fully working device.
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It is clear that you have no respect for other peoples' hobbies, at least in this case.
Take the thing that you like to do the most, and that you get the most pleasure from doing, and think to yourself that some people would tell something along the same lines of what you had posted here, and you may understand.
I assure you, there is no sadism here (or maschoism), but instead a passion for computers.
While I personally do not think that they will listen, it's worth a try, miracles do happen.
Please do not take this too harshly, I only wanted you to understand the situation and the gravity of what you had posted, not to start a feud.
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Look. When was the last time a company was coerced into doing something via a petition? Your effort is laughable. You gather a bunch of teenage kids to sign a fragment of text online hoping rocket science companies will even look at you. NVidia? Really? Asking for open source drivers for Remix OS? Who is Remix OS again? Why don't you stop the non sense and just buy a Google supported device - a chromebook or a chromebox, which will have the Android Play Store in a month anyway. Supported HDMI audio, accelerated graphics, native screen resolution, printing - out of the box.
Why do you Linux guys like to be so sadistic I will never understand. All I read on your forums is how to make your hardware work. Don't you ever get bored of this? Scrap your PC - it's 2016. PCs are falling, Windows is falling. You have no need for a PC. Get a chromebook, officially supported by Google, and get on with your life on a fully working device.
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I already have a MacBook with everything working out of the box. I'm trying to make remix work on my old laptop, and there is nothing wrong with this. It already has Windows 10 working blazing fast and stable. We - the linux community - find it interesting to 'make things work'. This is our hobby. I don't know why are you replying here, I mean your reply has nothing important. Remix OS is getting more fame and will be competing Windows soon. Please do respect that we are trying to make it work on our devices regardless if NVidia is a large company in comparison to Jide. Learn how to respect others before commenting or replying in XDA please. This place wasn't made for this.
Also did you read the Petition first? It states that we want a way to install the proprietary drivers. I didn't mention we want them open sourced LOL
OK honestly I was not expecting these answers. Indeed, the magic word is hobby. I would never waste my time with old devices. I simply find them obsolete. Hell, I find PCs obsolete now that chromebooks get the android play store. My understanding was that you guys simply want android apps on a desktop PC - and we will have that very soon, like...next month or so in a fully supported official google package. I want that. But you - you want something else. You simply want to tinker with your PCs and you will do that with any occasion. I get that and I respect that.
But as for me, Remix OS, Windows, Linux - whatever, that's not for me. I ran Linux, several distros, I ran Windows, I ran them enough. I need a simple, easy to use, unbreakable device - like a mobile phone, but on a large screen. And I want the android apps ecosystem. But I had enough tinkering. I want something that works. It's 2016 and I've been tinkering for 20 years now. I had enough. I will go the official google devices way. I don't want to loose my time on forums because my NVidia card does not work.
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OK honestly I was not expecting these answers. Indeed, the magic word is hobby. I would never waste my time with old devices. I simply find them obsolete. Hell, I find PCs obsolete now that chromebooks get the android play store. My understanding was that you guys simply want android apps on a desktop PC - and we will have that very soon, like...next month or so in a fully supported official google package. I want that. But you - you want something else. You simply want to tinker with your PCs and you will do that with any occasion. I get that and I respect that.
But as for me, Remix OS, Windows, Linux - whatever, that's not for me. I ran Linux, several distros, I ran Windows, I ran them enough. I need a simple, easy to use, unbreakable device - like a mobile phone, but on a large screen. And I want the android apps ecosystem. But I had enough tinkering. I want something that works. It's 2016 and I've been tinkering for 20 years now. I had enough. I will go the official google devices way. I don't want to loose my time on forums because my NVidia card does not work.
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I understand how you feel, since I had met many people who went that way.
There's nothing wrong with that, but please don't try forgetting that other people like to use their devices in different ways, whether just using, trying to make (or break) things, trying to to own them, etc..
What is important is that we enjoy whichever way we chose, and that what needs to get done is done.
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it is possible? my htc hero can runn windows mobile??
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it is possible? my htc hero can runn windows mobile??
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No you can not.
Why would you?
"There's so many ways for me to say this to you - Never, Not in a million years, absolutely not, no way hose, no chance Lance, net, negatorie, mm, nah, aa, and of course my own personal favorite of all time - man falling of of a cliff, Nooooooooouuuuu...!"
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in french: NON lol
Jose...........
It's Jose.
*Slaps forehead*
That's what you get for copying quotes off facebook pages, peeps.
wow y would u even want to run windows mobile... I had a tmobile wing once - - - dont get me started on that phone lol.
lol im sry but even if i knew how i wouldnt tell ya cause its stupid idea.
why would you want windows mobile on your phone, well for decent media play back i.e films that you don't need to convert before you put on the phone, I've got both a android and windows phone, and personally I find the experience better on android, but converting films is a drag.
I don't see why you want to downgrade your phone
knowledge is power
I don't think this is such a bad idea actually it's kind of good for us having someone asking this...IS NOT ABOUT DOWNGRADING your beloved hero it's about the challenge it would be to do it and the KNOWLEDGE we would get by doing so...
Currently a lot of our great developers at XDA are focused on bringing android to our WM phones and they have done a great job so far using only reverse engineering methods, patience and a certainly huge amount of cups of coffee...so how about seeing things from a different angle? just imagine the possibilities if we can make WM work in an originally Android designed phone ,i bet you if someone dares to do it,not only the android porting project will benefit from this but several other open source mobile platforms that are already here[Maemo] and others to come [MeeGo], They all have one purpose bringing the end user a better and richer mobile experience which is the same reason i believe this forum was created for so...
Why not giving it a try?
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sorry
android is a open source OS
windows mobile is not
so you can change android kernel to run on other device
windows mobile nope
I love android for this
I hate windows mobile for this
with a boot loader : you cant
and i know you don't want windows mobile on your brilliant android phone
hahaha
One time I saw a thread in the Rhodium forums where they were trying to find evidence of an Android user trying to port Windows Mobile to their phone. I didn't think it would ever happen...
Hmmm a challenge
Sounds like a great challenge, something to really upset the a few people who wander around bragging about they're "completed" operating systems (yeah right, 15 years as an IT Consultant and I've yet to hear Microsoft claim to complete anything).
Android is a PITA and not as flexible as I was told it would be - nowhere near as flexible as linux was meant to be - I wonder if its possible to go the rest of the way and compile a linux for our android phones that runs natively. Then we can really put windows phones to shame.
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I wonder if its possible to go the rest of the way and compile a linux for our android phones that runs natively.
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Well, of course it's possible, seeing how it's already been done. I don't know about your phone, but my CDMA Hero is most definitely running Linux natively.
So it's already running on a Linux kernel with a reasonable command line environment. It might be useful to compile a more complete set of GNU utilities for it.
Android is, in basic terms, just the GUI that's running on top of Linux. There are plenty of other GUIs designed for small devices with limited resources. Porting one of them over to run on top of the existing Linux environment shouldn't be too terribly tough.
The real trick, I would guess, would be getting all the hardware bits to work. Writing apps that can access the phone radio, gps, audio, etc.... All of those things are currently accessed through APIs that Android provides. If you remove Android, and those APIs, then there's a great deal of work to be done to make those things functional again.
So if you just want a handheld Linux box, that's easy. If you want all of the hardware features to work, and to still be able to use it as a phone, just with Android stripped out, then you've got a LOT of work ahead.
they have already ported android to win mobile it is possible to reverse see as win mobile does not have alot of anti piracy safeguards
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they have already ported android to win mobile it is possible to reverse see as win mobile does not have alot of anti piracy safeguards
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???
Maybe if you wrote complete sentences with proper punctuation, this might parse.
well am with original poster on this I for one would love and prefer to see Winmo on my hero.... I find android such a dam pain.... I have both winmo(on my kaiser) and android... But only use droid for a toy and playing games. where as I much prefer my winmo for Work and navigation... At least with Winmo theres no reliance on flippin data, Which isa pain in the butt with droid..
So come on you tech Geeks show us what you are made of...Port Winmo to hero... let us have the choice...
WM On Hero.......
say what you will about Android Vs WM but I believe WM is just perfect for me. If hero could support WM then please someone anyone help me get it on mine. I loved the convenience of WM. On my Blackstone Sync was not a problem. I get all my emails and my contacts in the same place. With Android I have to sync via G-Mail. For being open source this is a huge price for me to pay. Now I have to change my email address and redirect all my clients to G-mail so I get all my mail.
Is it possible to get the new Windows 7 mobile on the hero? If so, how? If not, can someone make it possible?
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Is it possible to get the new Windows 7 mobile on the hero? If so, how? If not, can someone make it possible?
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No. Wrong chipset, not powerful enough, wrong screen size. Many reasons.
Wrong chipset is enough though.
Its windows ..... thats enough of a reason XD
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Its windows ..... thats enough of a reason XD
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Well, android can run on a iPhone, so, it's not a stupid question
Android should run on the iPhone - its the only way they'll get a good OS on their phone! but why would you want to run the iphone os or windows on an android phone?
I'm being antagonistic for the sake of it FYI. And the question was never "stupid" - your words not mine
I would love to see this happen - just to say they we can run any of the OS's. BUT IMHO Android is by far the best and I would never replace it completely on my phone. I think most of the devs on here probably feel the same which is why you're unlikely to see anyone working on doing this.
AND IMHO - there is no technical reason that either of the above mentioned OS's wouldn't run on an Android phone. Drivers/Code can be created for chipsets and screen size & resolution is easy to fix (in comparison). It may not be simple but its dooable. The tricky part would be getting access to the code - as those os's aren't open source or copyleft. So you'll have to "illegally" break the code to gain access in order to create the drivers to support other chipsets etc. This creates a nightmare time for places like XDA from a legal standpoint as they will be liable if people distribute this code through their website.
So in terms of this topic actually going somewhere and this technology actually coming to fruition - don't hold your breath!
I hope this helps a little more than previous answers
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Android should run on the iPhone - its the only way they'll get a good OS on their phone! but why would you want to run the iphone os or windows on an android phone?
I'm being antagonistic for the sake of it FYI. And the question was never "stupid" - your words not mine
I would love to see this happen - just to say they we can run any of the OS's. BUT IMHO Android is by far the best and I would never replace it completely on my phone. I think most of the devs on here probably feel the same which is why you're unlikely to see anyone working on doing this.
AND IMHO - there is no technical reason that either of the above mentioned OS's wouldn't run on an Android phone. Drivers/Code can be created for chipsets and screen size & resolution is easy to fix (in comparison). It may not be simple but its dooable. The tricky part would be getting access to the code - as those os's aren't open source or copyleft. So you'll have to "illegally" break the code to gain access in order to create the drivers to support other chipsets etc. This creates a nightmare time for places like XDA from a legal standpoint as they will be liable if people distribute this code through their website.
So in terms of this topic actually going somewhere and this technology actually coming to fruition - don't hold your breath!
I hope this helps a little more than previous answers
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Thanks for the detailed answer, that explained a lot more.
Why is it that there isn't just one version of android that will install on all phones? I mean, you can install windows on any pc regardless of spec and it automatically finds drivers for internal parts and makes them work? why can't this be done for android? would be miles easy for developers if you could just take a rom from say a dell streak and put it on say a galaxy s and vice versa, seems ****ing retarded to me that this isn't the case with android? Love my streak and android as a whole, but would be so much easier if the updates were dependant on the companies that made the phone and were just dependent on when google updates the software!!
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Why is it that there isn't just one version of android that will install on all phones? I mean, you can install windows on any pc regardless of spec and it automatically finds drivers for internal parts and makes them work? why can't this be done for android? would be miles easy for developers if you could just take a rom from say a dell streak and put it on say a galaxy s and vice versa, seems ****ing retarded to me that this isn't the case with android? Love my streak and android as a whole, but would be so much easier if the updates were dependant on the companies that made the phone and were just dependent on when google updates the software!!
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Haha, first of all, are you genuinely serious? I loved the os of the ps3 why cant I have that on my xbox 360, come on mate, really. If that was the case, then we would probably just need 1 type of phone with every release of android software, example iphone.
Android allows people to have a nice choice of phones from different manufacturers.
I personally, think android is 10 times better than any other simply because of the control the users have, we can purchase an android phone and customize the hell out of it to our liking, yet you have no choice to jailbreak an iphone to have half the options android users get out the box.
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Yes in a perfect world that would work, "one OS for any phone" but the truth of the matter is that it is a driver issue, and manufacturers want to make a profit. There are too many different manufacturers of components and not all of them are compatible with each other, get out dated or don't meet recommended minimal specs. Example is trying to put Windows 7 on a P2 machine. Maybe it will install, but you are not going to get much if any of the benefits of the new OS. Or if you put win 7 on a Mac. Sure it will work, but it is not going to be on a machine that it was designed to run on spec wise. Believe me, I wish it was that simple, but unfortunately it is not. We can dream though.
It has a lot to do with the drivers, unless every phone was identical internally (or each generation identical internally) there are no drivers for that specific device.
PCs are much more standardized when it comes to hardware working with drivers. Most important components like video/audio/ I/O have standard fallback modes and their specific drivers. That's why you can install windows or linux or whatever on a system and at least expect it to boot and most of the stuff to work. They have generic drivers that will do the minimum required for it to function, but not much more.
From a user perspective drivers are much more diffucult with regards to *nix then with windows, this is especially true with regards to android (as it uses the linux kernel)
Windows has standardized (as in they have published the specs and adhere to it) driver frameworks and spend a good deal of testing time making sure 3rd party drivers will remain reasonably compatable. Usually it goes smoothly enough when releasing a new standard, when it goes bad you get what happened with vista where the drivers were the main cause of instability. Most of the time you can use drivers written for win 95 on win7 x86 and there's still a fair chance it might STILL work depending on how well the driver was written (this is a gross oversimplification, there's an entire class of win 9x drivers that wont work, but the other class will).
With linux driver compability is much less clear cut, many important drivers are available as source, and it's very possible (but requires a fair deal of planning ahead) to build a pc and only use source code drivers.
If something is only available as binary drivers you're at the mercy of the manufacturer to keep it updated and working.
This is why android is so difficult to roll out timely updates. The kernels in 2.2 are very different from 2.3/3.x and rewriting the drivers for it is what accounts for ~90% of the work (assuming your device is powerful enough to update in the first place)
The full driver sourcecode isnt often made available for android devices, so you either have to spend time writing your own or attempting to adapt the binary drivers to make it work. This is what is happening with streakdroid 2.x
The other critical point is that the bootloader must be willing to load 3rd party code.
There's a fair amount of devices that have had android ported to them because they were:
1) Able to load 3rd party code (either by hacking the bootloader or it allowing it on it's own)
2) They either had comparable drivers or were willing/able to write their own
3) There were enough devs to take the time to accomplish this in the first place
4) Android is open source so it's possible to write your own drivers in the first place (techinally all you might need is the driver sdk, but no mobile os has only a driver sdk available, it's either all or nothing)
Being open source has absolutely nothing to do with being able to install it on any device.
Winmo 6.5 is closed source (sorta, it's somewhat like shared-source) but it's just as easy to port over. But there's little to no interest to porting it to new devices.
Win8/arm might be like how windows is on the pc IF they keep drivers the way they are. If ms decides to incorporate them the way linux does it wont be any different then what android is experiencing now (though it's kinda unlikely, windows has always loaded drivers as seperate modules, and they're likely actively paying attention to that with win8)
I will just add that in my very humble opinion the OP wasnt by NO MEANS asking a dumb question (and it would rule to have standardized drivers for phones)
(and btw, great writeup manii. this might as well fit in some android related blog.)
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Haha, first of all, are you genuinely serious? I loved the os of the ps3 why cant I have that on my xbox 360, come on mate, really. If that was the case, then we would probably just need 1 type of phone with every release of android software, example iphone.
Android allows people to have a nice choice of phones from different manufacturers.
I personally, think android is 10 times better than any other simply because of the control the users have, we can purchase an android phone and customize the hell out of it to our liking, yet you have no choice to jailbreak an iphone to have half the options android users get out the box.
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O M G!!! android fanboys!! your worst than apple fanboys, when did I even mention the iphone or what makes android so good? or installing other peoples software on to other hardware, I'm only talking about android and its phones you turn everything into android is better than ios blah blah blah blah blah!! Shut the **** up and go to another thread!!
The other people in the thread, yeah I kinda knew it was down to driver issues, but I didn't think it was that complex. Android imo is the best os I've ever experience in my life, even better than windows 7. But for me, I actually think the only 1 draw back the os has, is the fragmentation of the updates. Is this possiblity of one android os to work on all android phones, so you can just download the update.pkg from google and just install it on any android phone, or is this something that was never intended and because of how its developed its to late to go back and change this? or is it something google has in the pipeline?
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O M G!!! android fanboys!! your worst than apple fanboys, when did I even mention the iphone or what makes android so good? or installing other peoples software on to other hardware, I'm only talking about android and its phones you turn everything into android is better than ios blah blah blah blah blah!! Shut the **** up and go to another thread!!
The other people in the thread, yeah I kinda knew it was down to driver issues, but I didn't think it was that complex. Android imo is the best os I've ever experience in my life, even better than windows 7. But for me, I actually think the only 1 draw back the os has, is the fragmentation of the updates. Is this possiblity of one android os to work on all android phones, so you can just download the update.pkg from google and just install it on any android phone, or is this something that was never intended and because of how its developed its to late to go back and change this? or is it something google has in the pipeline?
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Well I am glad Alexander cleard that up. I totally see now tht he was referring to one android update for all "android" phones. Which in theory, would be nice and possibe be the solution to so mny segmented releases.
Android fanboy?? Grow up, first of all I wont as you say **** off to another thread, you didnt get my point, but thats ok I can tell by your answer and generally by your original question that your not that bright, thats ok buddy.
I own an iphone 4, to run apples os I have to own an apple product (the phone) which for me is too small, I would like a bigger screen, so im stuck.
With android different manafacturers are in competition for what the people want and offer a huge variety of phones. Yes its a bit of a pain in the arse to install custom roms on them but once you know how its pretty easy.
At the end of the day to have one os that would go on any phone would be nice but then really whats the point in having a whole bunch of different phones. I like the way android is, I own as I said a earlier an iphone 4 and a dell streak, I find myself using the dell more, simply because I can make it my own.
Also ....me fanboy, you said you like android better than windows...the most popular os al over yhe world.
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Well I am glad Alexander cleard that up. I totally see now tht he was referring to one android update for all "android" phones. Which in theory, would be nice and possibe be the solution to so mny segmented releases.
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Yeah I know, coming from having the dell streak, and only having one upgrade while I've had the phone, I just can't understand why phone manufacturers go to all this trouble creating there own version of android when they could easily outsource this part of the phone to Google. I'm sure it would also make it easier for app developers to make there app work on all android phones. Seems so strange to me growing up with windows and being able to just buy a new pc and just get your windows cd out and bosh on windows, and it works. Does anyone know if this will ever happen or do the phone manufacturers want to have there own version of android, so they can fill it with there own apps?
To me even if they did still want there own versions of android, they should still give you the option of returning to stock android and just going to google for the update.
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Android fanboy?? Grow up, first of all I wont as you say **** off to another thread, you didnt get my point, but thats ok I can tell by your answer and generally by your original question that your not that bright, thats ok buddy.
I own an iphone 4, to run apples os I have to own an apple product (the phone) which for me is too small, I would like a bigger screen, so im stuck.
With android different manafacturers are in competition for what the people want and offer a huge variety of phones. Yes its a bit of a pain in the arse to install custom roms on them but once you know how its pretty easy.
At the end of the day to have one os that would go on any phone would be nice but then really whats the point in having a whole bunch of different phones. I like the way android is, I own as I said a earlier an iphone 4 and a dell streak, I find myself using the dell more, simply because I can make it my own.
Also ....me fanboy, you said you like android better than windows...the most popular os al over yhe world.
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Your saying I'm not bright, but your comment to my original question had no relevance to what I was asking at all, you didn't even slightly attempt to answer what I had asked.
So, I recently got an X131e Thinkpad. And the operating system is... functional, but lacking. I definitely want to run Android apps and all that good stuff, but there's no official support. So I figured I'd turn to open source. For Android phones and tablets, the community does a good job of providing updated OS's after the manufacturers have stopped making new firmware. So, what are my options?
I'd kind of like to stick with a ChromeOS-type system. I'm not sure what the compatibility is, though. Can I get a good system that will support Android apps? FydeOS maybe? Would that do it? I've been trying to find out the compatibility, but Google just leads me down a hundred different rabbit holes. I want to be sure any OS will be worth installing, and will work for what I want, before I take the big step of installing it. I'd hate to go to a lot of trouble only to end up with a crippled computer.
Failing an open-source type of ChromeOS, what do I do? Gallium? Crouton thing where I have two parallel OS's? I want to stick to a Chrome OS and have support for Android apps, just because I'm familiar with Android, and not a fan of endless command lines. But if Linux is the only alternative (aside from some type of Windows or MacOS), I guess I'll have to be open to that. Maybe the thing where I have two operating systems running at once (yes, yes, Linux isn't really an operating system, yadda yadda.) So what are my options?
And I've never done this with a Chromebook before. Never. What do I do? Gonna need the foolproof newb tutorial.
Thanks for any help.
Maybe thy this, I worked for me, just make sure that your computer supports UEFI.
Hi everyone,
I can't find a satisfactory answer on my favorite search engines, so I thought I'd come here and ask. Sorry if this question has already been put on the table, carved, sliced and gobbled, I couldn't find trace of it in the forum's search engine either.
My phone's a Leagoo T5c that will forever be stuck on Android 7.0, it seems, because the OEM has already lost interest, and because its SoC makes it difficult, if not downright impossible, to find a suitable custom ROM.
The latest ROM I could find and install on this phone goes back to August of 2018 (no-no, no typos), and its Security Update is even one month older (July 2018).
My question is in the title: Is it possible to install Security Updates without reinstalling/updating/upgrading the firmware itself, like you would in, say, Windows or any other OS, I presume?
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Hi everyone,
I can't find a satisfactory answer on my favorite search engines, so I thought I'd come here and ask. Sorry if this question has already been put on the table, carved, sliced and gobbled, I couldn't find trace of it in the forum's search engine either.
My phone's a Leagoo T5c that will forever be stuck on Android 7.0, it seems, because the OEM has already lost interest, and because its SoC makes it difficult, if not downright impossible, to find a suitable custom ROM.
The latest ROM I could find and install on this phone goes back to August of 2018 (no-no, no typos), and its Security Update is even one month older (July 2018).
My question is in the title: Is it possible to install Security Updates without reinstalling/updating/upgrading the firmware itself, like you would in, say, Windows or any other OS, I presume?
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With android 10 were introduced Google play security updates that lets you received security updates (not all of them unfortunately, some requires to upgrade) without updating the full OS. You can't do it because you're stuck with the wrong Android version
Hopefully you won't have any issues with hacking but consider buying a new phone when you'll get a chance
Security updates get rolled out as OTA by OEM/Carrier if they consider it's necessary. You can't force it. Theoretically, all Android smartphones should get around two years of security updates. However, the reality is often very different.
The Leagoo T5c is a small-budget phone what was sold for 99 USD - so more or less a disposable item. You cannot expect OEM/Carrier to have any interest in providing updates for such a phone.
Thank you both for your explanations. I understand that Android works differently when it comes to updating itself, mostly because Google isn't the only party to have a voice in the chapter; still, it's unnerving to see that the end-user is more or less captive anyway.
It kinda defeats the very purpose of an open-source OS, to have to wait for an OEM to release (or not) an update, when you could install the patches yourself.
As for buying another phone, well, as soon as I've got the dough, I will, believe me. Not because I'm dissatisfied with this one, but because I don't like the idea of totting around with a phone that hasn't seen a security update in over two years.
I'm also seriously considering moving to Ubuntu Touch, though there again, my phone's exotic platform could be problematic. Custom ROMs seems to be as complicated an avenue as others, too.
All in all, Android isn't what they sold me: It's not secure, it's not "free", it's just another way to make you shell out bucks for new hardware every couple years.
Android is just iOS without the eye-candy, you ask me...
UglyStuff said:
Thank you both for your explanations. I understand that Android works differently when it comes to updating itself, mostly because Google isn't the only party to have a voice in the chapter; still, it's unnerving to see that the end-user is more or less captive anyway.
It kinda defeats the very purpose of an open-source OS, to have to wait for an OEM to release (or not) an update, when you could install the patches yourself.
As for buying another phone, well, as soon as I've got the dough, I will, believe me. Not because I'm dissatisfied with this one, but because I don't like the idea of totting around with a phone that hasn't seen a security update in over two years.
I'm also seriously considering moving to Ubuntu Touch, though there again, my phone's exotic platform could be problematic. Custom ROMs seems to be as complicated an avenue as others, too.
All in all, Android isn't what they sold me: It's not secure, it's not "free", it's just another way to make you shell out bucks for new hardware every couple years.
Android is just iOS without the eye-candy, you ask me...
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Android isn't iOS precisely because you can break free from your OEM by flashing a custom ROM. You can develop one for almost any device as long as the OEM releases the kernel source code. And most OEM do (expect for some very unknown phones).
Custom ROMs like GrapheneOS are made to free you from google Services and are truly privacy oriented. And all of that is possible because Android is open source.
Trust me, the Android community has always worked actively to counter aging of their devices (including me).
Just buy a phone with a solid community behind and you'll be able to keep it up to date a looong time
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Android isn't iOS precisely because you can break free from your OEM by flashing a custom ROM. You can develop one for almost any device as long as the OEM releases the kernel source code. And most OEM do (expect for some very unknown phones).
Custom ROMs like GrapheneOS are made to free you from google Services and are truly privacy oriented. And all of that is possible because Android is open source.
Trust me, the Android community has always worked actively to counter aging of their devices (including me).
Just buy a phone with a solid community behind and you'll be able to keep it up to date a looong time
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I agree with you in principle, but if I must take an example: I have this Early 2006 MacBook Pro with a Core Duo CPU that precludes me from even installing Mac OS X 10.7 "Lion" on it, because the CPU is 32-bit-only, and Lion requires a 64-bit CPU.
The machine itself works very well, albeit a bit slowly, but then it's got only 2 GB of RAM and a 120-GB SSD. When I got fed-up with OS X applications not updating/upgrading and Firefox addons not installing because my copy of Firefox was too old, I partitioned the SSD, installed rEFInd as boot manager, and installed Zorin 15.2 (now 15.3) Lite 32-bit.
I now spend more time on the Linux side of this Mac than on the OS X side, and updating/upgrading it is a breeze, either via the dedicated application or in Terminal. I know there'll be an end-of-the-line there too, someday, but at least I'll keep using this Mac until it truly dies on me, not when Apple tells me it's dead.
This, for me, is the very essence of open-source: Not just the fact that it's free, but that you can revive an old machine and keep it running long after Apple et al have decided that it had gone the way of the dinosaurs.
The same doesn't apply to Android, alas. Here, you must have a compatible SoC/chipset/what-have-you, a Treble-compatible device, you must have this, you must have that...
In the end, only a fraction of Android users really get to enjoy everything their device has to offer for as long as they choose; the others just pop into the nearest phone store, be it brick-and-mortar or cyber, and must produce their credit card.
My question was as much a challenge to myself as anything else. I would really like to learn how Android works, but the tutorials and articles I've found here and there are all a bit cryptic.
That's why I'm regularly prowling this forum, I guess.
"Hunting high and low", as the song goes... :laugh:
yep, good question but google & manufactures are in it for the moola not the users 2 yr old phone.
hiitsrudd said:
yep, good question but google & manufactures are in it for the moola not the users 2 yr old phone.
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Don't I know it! It's true that even budget phones have decent specs nowadays, still, why dump a perfectly functioning phone simply because you can't update/upgrade the software?
I understand Google's rationale, of course: They invest tons of money year after year after year to keep the whole boat afloat, and they need a steady income. OK. Still, to not be able to keep your phone ***safe*** is a no-go for me.
I'm seriously beginning to think about installing Ubuntu Touch on the device. I think I'm going to try that next weekend.
I'll probably come back here with my eyes red, asking for help in unbricking my phone, though.
Stay tuned! :good:
A followup, if you are mindful of your own security it's conceivable to get more usage of that android. I don't use a banking app, but if need be use a good browser( thats updated of course) And update all often used apps via playstore. I'm still running Oreo on my phone. FYI you iOS ppl need to do critical updates asap