hey guys i just bought moto e few days back and lately i have noticed the fact that the camera snaps of moto E of a text are really poor.I mean for a landscape scenic day light photos its fine but for texts like newspapers,books etc its barely readable....
i am attaching the camera shot of a small size newspaper ET Wealth in a daylight indoor environment. As you can see the text is really washed out and can't be read!!
Am i the only one facing this issue??? are u having a similar problem?? Or is it this way in moto E?? (same 5MP performs in moto G performs brilliantly and text is quite clear in the photographs!!)
please do share your snaps of text and do reply or assist....i appreciate your help...
pragun1993 said:
hey guys i just bought moto e few days back and lately i have noticed the fact that the camera snaps of moto E of a text are really poor.I mean for a landscape scenic day light photos its fine but for texts like newspapers,books etc its barely readable....
i am attaching the camera shot of a small size newspaper ET Wealth in a daylight indoor environment. As you can see the text is really washed out and can't be read!!
Am i the only one facing this issue??? are u having a similar problem?? Or is it this way in moto E?? (same 5MP performs in moto G performs brilliantly and text is quite clear in the photographs!!)
please do share your snaps of text and do reply or assist....i appreciate your help...
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Moto E doesn't have auto-focus, it cannot focus on small elements like text or on macro shots.Unfortunately, thats the case and there's nothing you can do to avoid it.
Moto G has a different camera, yes they are both 5MP and have same UI but that's where similarities end.So don't compare the two.
neo.ank said:
Moto E doesn't have auto-focus, it cannot focus on small elements like text or on macro shots.Unfortunately, thats the case and there's nothing you can do to avoid it.
Moto G has a different camera, yes they are both 5MP and have same UI but that's where similarities end.So don't compare the two.
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well thanks for replying..did u have a look my camera snaps???...are u getting similar clarity...can u please share your snaps of text so that i can be assured of the fact....
I also face this as Moto E camera is bad but turning on HDR Mode is slightly Good.
Try taking Pictures of notes or reading papers with HDR Mode on
I use this Method only..
no auto focus on moto e
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well thanks for replying..did u have a look my camera snaps???...are u getting similar clarity...can u please share your snaps of text so that i can be assured of the fact....
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there is no auto focus on moto e whick means moto e with 5mp camera has fixed focus, so it takes pretty much decent photos in light, nut when it comes to taking snaps of small things like txt or some small elements the camera fails. moto e has poor camera quality so have to compromise here. i have 2 moto e devices both have same poor camera quality as it is a budget mobile, and even my friends have the same so no need to worry still moto e is worth it's the money paid for it. so enjoy .
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pragun1993 said:
well thanks for replying..did u have a look my camera snaps???...are u getting similar clarity...can u please share your snaps of text so that i can be assured of the fact....
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Here you go
Dull but readable it is.
It's readable in HDR mode.
Not sure if something like this has already been posted:
A post on the android subreddit describes improvements to the camera API with specific mention of Sony devices:
Sony
Sony post processing isn't as good as it could be, look at this Xperia Z sample.
If you have a high end Sony phone from the last two years I wouldn't hesitate to say that your photos and video will drastically improve with this new API if implemented well in a good app.
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The full post is worth a read. There may be hope for the ZU camera after all.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2lr0d2/an_indepth_analysis_of_the_new_android_50_camera/
unidentifier said:
Not sure if something like this has already been posted:
A post on the android subreddit describes improvements to the camera API with specific mention of Sony devices:
The full post is worth a read. There may be hope for the ZU camera after all.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2lr0d2/an_indepth_analysis_of_the_new_android_50_camera/
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We were hoping that the API and RAW format was going to arrive in KK as it was rumoured back then. Having access to the RAW data will help, but a noisy sensor is a noisy sensor.
There are some photo comparisons out there of the Nexus 5 running both Kitkat and Lollipop. The improvement in quality is very very noticeable, and I will eat a hat if we don't see some improvement on the Z Ultra too.
I believe it was Forbes that tested the Nexus 5 camera.
i hope this new camera API gets unmolested RAW data from the sensor
the JPGs this thing spits out currently is horrible
Software doesn't make miracles when hardware is at fault, just think that ZU Camera is a tablet Camera and get over it
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Software doesn't make miracles when hardware is at fault, just think that ZU Camera is a tablet Camera and get over it
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It's not software, but APIs, which grants direct access to the camera hardware. This is a first time on Android. What this means is that regular devs will have access to the camera hardware, and new camera apps can actually claim to take better or different photos. Want to shoot RAW? Sure. No problem. Want to dump Sony's post-processing algorythm? Not an issue.
There's probably not any issues with the sensor and module. Sony makes incredible camera modules, and even the cameras in the iPhones are from Sony. But the iPhone camera is much better than the average flagship Android, isn't it? Yes, and that boils down to the camera software. Not the hardware. So Lollipop will probably, and hopefully make a huge difference on the Ultra's camera. Low-light will still suck though.
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i hope this new camera API gets unmolested RAW data from the sensor
the JPGs this thing spits out currently is horrible
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There's already a third party camera app for Lollipop that does this. It shoots RAW. The app itself is crappy (according to most users), but it's more of a proof of concept at this point.
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It's not software, but APIs, which grants direct access to the camera hardware. This is a first time on Android. What this means is that regular devs will have access to the camera hardware, and new camera apps can actually claim to take better or different photos. Want to shoot RAW? Sure. No problem. Want to dump Sony's post-processing algorythm? Not an issue.
There's probably not any issues with the sensor and module. Sony makes incredible camera modules, and even the cameras in the iPhones are from Sony. But the iPhone camera is much better than the average flagship Android, isn't it? Yes, and that boils down to the camera software. Not the hardware. So Lollipop will probably, and hopefully make a huge difference on the Ultra's camera. Low-light will still suck though.
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I don't think you are right, imho the sensor and module of the ZU is a bit of a crap and can't get better with new APIs, but i hope your are right.
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I don't think you are right, imho the sensor and module of the ZU is a bit of a crap and can't get better with new APIs, but i hope your are right.
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But it might get faster. I think sonys post processing is already pretty good, when you consider the sensor being crap. Especially the video stabilization is impressive, it's doing a better job than some phones with OIS. But we will see when the GPE port arrives.
madphone said:
But it might get faster. I think sonys post processing is already pretty good, when you consider the sensor being crap. Especially the video stabilization is impressive, it's doing a better job than some phones with OIS. But we will see when the GPE port arrives.
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Sony's post-processing is the worst.
Certainly the write-up I posted suggested it's Sony's post-processing. Sony's sensor's are supposed to be best and is what's in most top phones.
Does anyone have any evidence (aside from self-referencing the XZU and Sony phones) that the 8 MP Exnor RS Sensor itself is flawed? Any other products using this sensor that also produce poor photos? Otherwise it's just a matter of opinion (without evidence) that it's sensor vs. the api.
The only other way to know for sure is to wait and see.
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Certainly the write-up I posted suggested it's Sony's post-processing. Sony's sensor's are supposed to be best and is what's in most top phones.
Does anyone have any evidence (aside from self-referencing the XZU and Sony phones) that the 8 MP Exnor R Sensor itself is flawed? Any other products using this sensor that also produce poor photos? Otherwise it's just a matter of opinion (without evidence) that it's sensor vs. the api.
The only other way to know for sure is to wait and see.
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Yeah, we'll just have to wait i guess No reason to fight over something that doesn't have a right or wrong answer yet.
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Certainly the write-up I posted suggested it's Sony's post-processing. Sony's sensor's are supposed to be best and is what's in most top phones.
Does anyone have any evidence (aside from self-referencing the XZU and Sony phones) that the 8 MP Exnor RS Sensor itself is flawed? Any other products using this sensor that also produce poor photos? Otherwise it's just a matter of opinion (without evidence) that it's sensor vs. the api.
The only other way to know for sure is to wait and see.
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Wikipedia list the Z Ultra's camera module as the IMX134 and is shared with the Xperia L and the Huawei Ascend G6, I don't know if that's correct or not but it's listed as 1/4in sensor which I can believe as that would account for poor image quality. Comparatively the Z1 and successors use 1/2.3in sensors which are much bigger although in general for cameras, that's still on the small side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmor
I don't believe there is any way we're going to see drastic improvements from Android 5.0, I do think Sony's image processing is an issue because they're trying to push a poor sensor too much resulting in noise reduction and sharpening which is far too aggressive. Dealing with noise is difficult, it's unsightly but the more aggressive the noise reduction is the more you lose detail but companies generally favour reducing noise at all cost on small, noisy sensors. Dialling back some of that aggressive processing will probably help the image quality a bit but ultimately it's still a small, noisy sensor and there's not much you can do with that.
John
Interestingly, this review of the Xperia L touts its "fantastic camera", concluding that "we feel that the camera is really something special. For those that want a decent camera phone, but don't want to pay loads, you might want to look at the Xperia L."
Expert Reviews say they "were impressed by the performance of its backside-illuminated camera sensor" and that it "takes some of the best low-light photos we've seen, with far more detail and less than noise than the Samsung Galaxy S4's shots. Daylight photos were acceptable if not spectacular. Contrast was impressive, with no sign of overexposure in lighter areas even on a sunlit day, but details became muddy when we zoomed in, showing the limits of the Xperia L's eight megapixels." Is the Ultra's sensor not backside-illuminated, maybe? The L also has a flash.
On the other hand, CNET is disappointed in its low-light performance. Trusted Reviews agrees, saying "Indoors, the Sony Xperia L camera is affected by yet more issues. While the camera takes balanced, good-looking photos in bright, natural light, in dim indoor lighting the white balance is off, resulting in ugly yellow tinged photos. The inbuilt flash does little to help, either." They say it does have "many positives, including a pleasing colour balance, sharp focus in shots".
PC World is generally happy with the Ascend G6's camera, saying "photo performance is generally strong — especially when you keep the Huawei’s price in mind — but we did encounter signs of flaring and feathering during testing. Image noise is present, but its at a low level, while the on-board HDR mode does a decent job at capturing detail that is otherwise lost."
These do take into consideration the price of the phones, however - they're both much cheaper than the Ultra was at launch.
Edit: All that to say, maybe there is hope in the software department.
Johnmcl7 said:
Wikipedia list the Z Ultra's camera module as the IMX134 and is shared with the Xperia L and the Huawei Ascend G6, I don't know if that's correct or not but it's listed as 1/4in sensor which I can believe as that would account for poor image quality. Comparatively the Z1 and successors use 1/2.3in sensors which are much bigger although in general for cameras, that's still on the small side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmor
I don't believe there is any way we're going to see drastic improvements from Android 5.0, I do think Sony's image processing is an issue because they're trying to push a poor sensor too much resulting in noise reduction and sharpening which is far too aggressive. Dealing with noise is difficult, it's unsightly but the more aggressive the noise reduction is the more you lose detail but companies generally favour reducing noise at all cost on small, noisy sensors. Dialling back some of that aggressive processing will probably help the image quality a bit but ultimately it's still a small, noisy sensor and there's not much you can do with that.
John
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Triflot said:
Interestingly, this review of the Xperia L touts its "fantastic camera", concluding that "we feel that the camera is really something special. For those that want a decent camera phone, but don't want to pay loads, you might want to look at the Xperia L."
Expert Reviews say they "were impressed by the performance of its backside-illuminated camera sensor" and that it "takes some of the best low-light photos we've seen, with far more detail and less than noise than the Samsung Galaxy S4's shots. Daylight photos were acceptable if not spectacular. Contrast was impressive, with no sign of overexposure in lighter areas even on a sunlit day, but details became muddy when we zoomed in, showing the limits of the Xperia L's eight megapixels." Is the Ultra's sensor not backside-illuminated, maybe? The L also has a flash.
On the other hand, CNET is disappointed in its low-light performance. Trusted Reviews agrees, saying "Indoors, the Sony Xperia L camera is affected by yet more issues. While the camera takes balanced, good-looking photos in bright, natural light, in dim indoor lighting the white balance is off, resulting in ugly yellow tinged photos. The inbuilt flash does little to help, either." They say it does have "many positives, including a pleasing colour balance, sharp focus in shots".
PC World is generally happy with the Ascend G6's camera, saying "photo performance is generally strong — especially when you keep the Huawei’s price in mind — but we did encounter signs of flaring and feathering during testing. Image noise is present, but its at a low level, while the on-board HDR mode does a decent job at capturing detail that is otherwise lost."
These do take into consideration the price of the phones, however - they're both much cheaper than the Ultra was at launch.
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Solid research John and Triflot. Thank you.
Personally, I will be happy if the camera works at all with unlocked bl.
You want me to put the hammer down?
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leonbarroso said:
Do as I did - buy a semipro camera on blackfriday
Serious photography with smartphone is bull****
And I am a former Lumia 1020 owner
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Why does it have to be 'serious' photography? I have many dedicated cameras from 1in sensor size up to professional full frame setups but none of those cameras are small enough to keep in my trouser pockets all the time, I tried recently going for one of the smallest dedicated cameras I could find but even that was irritating to carry in my trouser pockets alongside the phone. My phone on the other hand is always in my pocket and always to hand so it's ready to go any time when I want to take a photo unexpectedly plus its online connection means the photo is immediately ready to upload the photo if I want to as well. Some of my dedicated cameras have wifi for transferring photos but it's still a fiddle in comparison.
I don't need an amazing camera but I'm just disappointed how poor the Z ultra camera is, I find I use it like an older camera phone where it was only really handy for capturing serial numbers or information I need to quickly jot down whereas I used the Galaxy Note as a camera a fair bit and while the quality can't match the dedicated cameras it could produce reasonable pictures. I'm seriously considering going for a Note 4 and taking the hit on the screen size to get the better camera, it will be a few months before prices are reasonable so that's time to see if Sony announce anything (which I seriously doubt) or anyone else offers anything interesting with a larger screen.
With regards to the Z Ultra sensor, I'm surprised it is BSI as I thought I'd read initially when considering the phone that Sony had taken an older sensor and rebadged it as Exmor RS which made sense. There's not many sources for the camera module but the few I can find agree with Wikipedia as do sources for the Huawei and the Xperia L, is there any way to verify this in software on a Z Ultra? With regards to photo quality on the Xperia L and the Huawei G6, I am surprised by the positive comments even allowing for them being budget phones and the G6 having a faster lens (F2 rather than F2.4 on the Sony's). Then again some of the reviews of the Z Ultra aren't that hard on the camera either so it's difficult to tell objectively, DXOmark haven't tested it (admittedly I'm not convinced by their testing anyway) nor have I seen any particularly objective testing.
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On my Note 4 I could take surround pictures which were up and down and left and right. I complete 360 degrees. On the note 4 I had to download a samsung add on. Does the V10 have anything like this. I'm not familiar with LG phones.
I don't see this option available specifically for the LG V10 or even LG phones.
But go to the Play Store, look at the app you used to use - then scan down to the list of similar apps. There's certain t be an app there that will do the same for the V10.
Good Luck
You need to download the Google Camera for that.
The LG v10 camera is just incredible though. It has time-lapse, panoramic, great manual tools if you really want to be technical with it, etc.
I found a cool use for the camera at a recent concert... Using the "groupie" front facing camera and rear facing camera side by side I was able to take a shot of the band playing a song and all my friends reactions at the same time. You can get really creative if you want.
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The LG v10 camera is just incredible though. It has time-lapse, panoramic, great manual tools if you really want to be technical with it, etc.
I found a cool use for the camera at a recent concert... Using the "groupie" front facing camera and rear facing camera side by side I was able to take a shot of the band playing a song and all my friends reactions at the same time. You can get really creative if you want.
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Except the front cams take TERRIBLE quality pics. That's one thing I'm a bit po'd about with the phone. Even if the smoothing slider is set to zero, it seems like there is still a fair amount of it going on.
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Except the front cams take TERRIBLE quality pics. That's one thing I'm a bit po'd about with the phone. Even if the smoothing slider is set to zero, it seems like there is still a fair amount of it going on.
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Yeah ... still good enough though.
But when you're as ugly as I am ... this is a good thing ;- )
SaintlySins said:
Yeah ... still good enough though.
But when you're as ugly as I am ... this is a good thing ;- )
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Haha. I guess it really erks me because the G4's front cam took far, FAR better pics.
The V10 has a great camera but there is a learning curve to it. The Note 4 you just picked up and started shooting and it was great, the V10 has more cool features but requires a bit more manipulation. But it is still one of the best out there.
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Haha. I guess it really erks me because the G4's front cam took far, FAR better pics.
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Given these are 2 5MP cameras and not the 8MP of the G4...you really can't compare them
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Given these are 2 5MP cameras and not the 8MP of the G4...you really can't compare them
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I disagree. I have other devices with a 5MP camera and they are fine for what 5MP can offer. Reason being, they don't have the stupid smoothing feature that the V10 does with no way to completely disable it.
So both of these phones got 13mp rear sensors. Though moto g got its from nexus 6 with f/2.0 aperture which was pretty good and opx got Samsung isocell with f/2.2 aperture which is capable of capturing great images in low light as well.
Is moto g with $200 price tag a better camera phone than opx with $250 ?
Clearly opx pisses on moto g in performance aspect.
So what do u guys think ?
PS. I own both the devices and front camera seems better in opx.
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So both of these phones got 13mp rear sensors. Though moto g got its from nexus 6 with f/2.0 aperture which was pretty good and opx got Samsung isocell with f/2.2 aperture which is capable of capturing great images in low light as well.
Is moto g with $200 price tag a better camera phone than opx with $250 ?
Clearly opx pisses on moto g in performance aspect.
So what do u guys think ?
PS. I own both the devices and front camera seems better in opx.
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Back cam will get better in OnePlus X with an update.. Definitely OpX cam is better
Send from my OnePlus X
What I found is that in low light conditions my OPX takes forever to take a photo. I tap to focus and then the shutter but I takes a lot of time to focus again before actually take the photo. Is that the same on the moto g and on your OPX? I run Mokee ROK btw but it was same on Oxygen OS I think.
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What I found is that in low light conditions my OPX takes forever to take a photo. I tap to focus and then the shutter but I takes a lot of time to focus again before actually take the photo. Is that the same on the moto g and on your OPX? I run Mokee ROK btw but it was same on Oxygen OS I think.
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Moto g3 is quite snappy in taking pic in low light that's why I was unhappy with the camera experience after spending more bucks.
Pics taken with opx are grainy as hell and videos (oml!!) , they are soo laggy at 10 or 15fps!
In low light: moto g 2015 >>> opx
Hope they will solve this issue in the January ota update.
Hit thanks if I helped please☺
Check my post with panaramas shots from OPX. 4 me its great!
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/mega-thread-oneplus-one-2-x-photography-share-them-here.50952/page-326#post-14320971
Dizzyrul3z said:
Check my post with panaramas shots from OPX. 4 me its great!
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...-share-them-here.50952/page-326#post-14320971
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Daylight pictures are indeed very great and bright with an amazing detail. It's just the low light images I'm concerned about. Despite having the isocell sensor renowned for it's low light imaging, I can't see much difference between opx and my moto e?
Hit thanks if I helped please☺