So guys, I would like to buy my first tablet, and i'm indecised between shield k1 and Nexus 9, I was also thinking about the galaxy tab s2 9.7 but it's too pricey for what it offers IMHO. I'll use the tab mainly for media consumption (heavy games, browsing, movies, emails).
From I first started researching infos about the Nexus 9 it's immediatly appeared all the frequent issues that comes with this device (Light bleed and unoptimized performance) but all these things were related to the Lollipop version of android, and now with the Marshmallow/N version seems better, so this is my question: it's still worth to buy this device? Does the performance are really fixed now or there still many cases of lag/crashes (as appear to me)?
I really like "+1 inch size" than the shield but seems this device is just heavily compromised (as performace), and all these things are leading me to buy the Shield K1. As a final note, I like to use stock android version, and seems that with the Nexus 9 the real game change comes when you install a new ROM, do you confirm this?
Any input will be appreciated, so don't be afraid
jimmix93 said:
So guys, I would like to buy my first tablet, and i'm indecised between shield k1 and Nexus 9, I was also thinking about the galaxy tab s2 9.7 but it's too pricey for what it offers IMHO. I'll use the tab mainly for media consumption (heavy games, browsing, movies, emails).
From I first started researching infos about the Nexus 9 it's immediatly appeared all the frequent issues that comes with this device (Light bleed and unoptimized performance) but all these things were related to the Lollipop version of android, and now with the Marshmallow/N version seems better, so this is my question: it's still worth to buy this device? Does the performance are really fixed now or there still many cases of lag/crashes (as appear to me)?
I really like "+1 inch size" than the shield but seems this device is just heavily compromised (as performace), and all these things are leading me to buy the Shield K1. As a final note, I like to use stock android version, and seems that with the Nexus 9 the real game change comes when you install a new ROM, do you confirm this?
Any input will be appreciated, so don't be afraid
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Personally, as much as I adore my n9, I'd probably go k1. I prefer the size of the n9, the 4:3, great devs, and in hand feel. Other than that though, Google dropped the ball with Vulcan, and nVidia has been going great with updates.
I'm also interested in Lenovos new tablets.
@jimmix93 do yourself a favor and get a pixel c. It is worth the 100-150 dollars extra imo.
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@jimmix93 do yourself a favor and get a pixel c. It is worth the 100-150 dollars extra imo.
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TBH, i'm in love with google pixel C, but I can only find it on Ebay on a very high price, not lower than 650 $, so that's why I choosed these two tablets, espcially the K1 for it's price.
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Personally, as much as I adore my n9, I'd probably go k1. I prefer the size of the n9, the 4:3, great devs, and in hand feel. Other than that though, Google dropped the ball with Vulcan, and nVidia has been going great with updates.
I'm also interested in Lenovos new tablets.
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Mee too i'm interested, but I don't think they will be at same level (as raw power) as K1 or Nexus 9. We'll see
I got mine off swapa for $200 a few months ago. personally I think it's still a relevant device. Turning encryption off, and a kernel with 2amp charging really helps. It takes out the frustration. Most complaints about the device come down to speed and charging.
Not over clocked my AnTuTu benchmark awhile ago on pre-released 7 was 101k. Remix 3 was around 95. On official N (no encryption, oc) getting 107k. My point is behind the benchmarks is it's keeping up with the devices still out there, and they're the only way to show over the Internet that it doesn't feel slow.
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Personally I have the N9, my son the Nvidia, so I can compare...
When you want to stay 'standard' (no tweaking / custom ROM/Kernel) , buy the Shield. Standard out of the box working very well.
When you are not afraid to root, tweak en flash.... Buy the N9. Out of the box I was not satisfied about the snappiness and use custom kernels to fullfil it.
Suc6 choosing ?
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http://www.ainovo.com/
100 dollar 7 inch tablet that apparently is running ICS. Never heard of ainovo but from reading the website it seems like its maybe a chinese brand?
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http://www.ainovo.com/
100 dollar 7 inch tablet that apparently is running ICS. Never heard of ainovo but from reading the website it seems like its maybe a chinese brand?
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Looks like I'm canceling my Prime pre-order.
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http://www.ainovo.com/
100 dollar 7 inch tablet that apparently is running ICS. Never heard of ainovo but from reading the website it seems like its maybe a chinese brand?
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lol sorry but if you want a high quality tablet, this is not for you.. this is a great tablet to jump into the tablet game because of the low-cost but comeon now... its not that powerful..
Hahaha these little crap tablets give Android a bad name! They're saturating the market with low-price, low functionality tablets that virtually NO ONE wants. When it comes to cheap tablets I'm pretty sure the Fire and the Nook will be king (but mostly the Fire), so there's really no reason to have these things. They give ifans a reason to bash Android IMO.
This actually looks better than the Fire to me. I might be a buyer for my 7 year old...Why not? It doesn't look terrible. Wonder if it is completely 100% lead-free? lol
I'm cool with this. Cheaper tablets give us more options. There are people who basically just want a tablet to read ebooks and play the occasional angry birds. That's what's Android all about. Having options.
LOL, looks like asus slacked for too long and got beat by some cheap china tablet company...
You snooze, U loose!
Ohwell, atleast when the prime finally does come out it will have ICS hopefully right around the corner, and hopefully it will make the diffrence we all been looking for.
That chinglish makes my head ache, coming from a Chinese guy.
Lol, Asus is pissed already, but this will kick it
But unfortunatly there are no measurments on the page.
It looks pretty thick.
So what are the dimensions, how much does it weight?
Also it says it is already sold out when I click to order it.
Everyone cancel their preorders! There is a better tablet out!!!!1!11
1 Ghz
Single core CPU
Youtube Demo Video
The World's First Android 4.0 Tablet is Coming---Ainol Novo 7 Android 4.0 is coming. At present, most of the android tablet pcs are running on Android 2.3 before they have chance to upgrade to ICS. But a new arrival on Geartaker Ainol Novo 7 is a Google certified Android 3.2 tablet pc,and is announced to be the first Android 4.0 tablet under $100 in the world,making it stand out among the crowds of tablets.The android 4.0 firmare is to be released in the middle of this December.
http://geartaker.blogspot.com/2011/12/worlds-first-android-40-tablet-is.html
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I don't see that it's selling today, I see it's claiming to be the 1st ICS tablet. No different than Asus Prime has been claiming. The race is on to who will be the first to actually be the first to deliver one to a customer
well, it isn't the first Craplet device..
Different options for different budgets. That's not such a bad thing. But keep in mind this $100 tablet comes with a $60 shipping charge that makes it not so great afterall.
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I see where you're going
Already sold out. I was planning on buying this for my 5 year old daughter.
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I ordered one 2 days back. Got an email today that it will take 2 weeks before they start shipping..... They hope it will reach me before christmas.
Time to sell my HP Touchpad. Was tired of waiting for a good android port and this little thing has a microsd card slot. Yeah screen sucks but its still nice i can take pictures and plug it into it on the go.
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booyahh.
this runs @ 1.2 ghz on ICS
i have both basic and advanced models and yes they are good.
root is achieved already on these as well.
Maybe it's not related to the original post but... does their website remind you another one from a big company?
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Maybe it's not related to the original post but... does their website remind you another one from a big company?
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who's website?
a.p.p.l.e.
Hey all!
My wife and I are in the market for tablets. Both of us are in school. We both want to be able to watch movies including Netflix. And we both need the ability to create and modify Word docs.
I've been doing a lot of research and think the Prime might be the best solution for us. However, the iPad is also a contender.
If you had to do it over again, which would you get and why?
Thanks for your input!
Why ask why?
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i would do it again in a heartbeat i love it and no tablet can match it and once it gets ics the world peace will start
i would do it again. reasons? it is more powerful than ipad2, once some software comes out that utilizes it, it will be even more of a beast. the dock adds a whole world of utility to this tablet. also, I think it is the best looking tablet.
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i would do it again. reasons? it is more powerful than ipad2, once some software comes out that utilizes it, it will be even more of a beast. the dock adds a whole world of utility to this tablet. also, I think it is the best looking tablet.
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Yep what he said.
I would do it again without hesitation. Apple devices are locked down, and therefore restrictive. With an Android tablet, you can do much much more!
It can also be customized to make it your own! Without hesitation, YES- I would do it again...
By far the best tablet I have ever owned and used. Blows the ipad 2 away in my opinion and the gaming is just amazing.
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i would do it again. reasons? it is more powerful than ipad2, once some software comes out that utilizes it, it will be even more of a beast. the dock adds a whole world of utility to this tablet. also, I think it is the best looking tablet.
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I agree 100%
i would do it again, the biggest reason for using it over an ipad2 is the dock, if you're planning to do a decent amount of word processing on a tablet, the TF line with their respective docks provide the best user experience in that regard compared to any other tablet on the market.
if i had to do it again id wait for ics. Im not overly impressed with the prime. I think once apps and os can be optimized for quadcore then it will be the best tablet. But for now most apps and HC are not so you wont see a significant difference.
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i would do it again. reasons? it is more powerful than ipad2, once some software comes out that utilizes it, it will be even more of a beast. the dock adds a whole world of utility to this tablet. also, I think it is the best looking tablet.
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exactly, short n to the point. this device has me more satisfied than with my Og iPad.
I know I am digging this up from a while ago, but...Would you still do it? I just ordered one from HHgregg for the $399 price ($411 with shipping). I have been watching these forums and doing research but I jumped at the lower price..so I ask you...
Would you buy this again? If not at full retail, then at the 399 price?
Edit: I'm pretty sure this should be in Q&A...Sorry about that, I just dug it up using the similar thread functionality
I've got a Galaxy S2, at stock. I love it. I sold my eee pad a month after I got it because it was just too SLOW compared to my phone... :/
Now...after months of learning android and cyanogenmod more... I want to know, if a galaxy tab 10.1... With custom roms and overclocking, can it beat my phone?
I average 3200 on quadrant. Most apps pretty much open instantly.
I used a Galaxy Tab in the store once...and it was...just completely sad. It struggled to load animations, and just looked horrible compared to my phone.
I'm really just looking for a super light, super fast 10 inch tablet. So I am curious to know if this could be it. Can anyone shed some light on performance?
Look for a quad-core tegra 3 tablet. The galaxy tab 10.1 is last year's hardware and struggles with some things. Don't get me wrong, it's nice, but if I were to buy a new android tablet right now, it would probably be the Asus TF300t, or another tegra 3 tablet. for $500+, I'd probably get an ipad or the new TF700 with the 1080p screen when that comes out.
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Look for a quad-core tegra 3 tablet. The galaxy tab 10.1 is last year's hardware and struggles with some things. Don't get me wrong, it's nice, but if I were to buy a new android tablet right now, it would probably be the Asus TF300t, or another tegra 3 tablet. for $500+, I'd probably get an ipad or the new TF700 with the 1080p screen when that comes out.
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Well, I was hoping to stay under 350, I was thinking a last gen tablet, just overclocked with cyanogenmod. But...maybe I am pushing it too far
With pershoot's kernel, you can set this thing up to 1.4Ghz. The ICS roms that are out there help make it much snappier, but as previously stated: this is already old hardware. For the money you'd spend, it's a great tablet. I am quite happy with mine. Had the option been available when I bought my tab, I would have gone for the transformer prime instead...mainly because of the quad-core and the sd-card slot.
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Well, I was hoping to stay under 350, I was thinking a last gen tablet, just overclocked with cyanogenmod. But...maybe I am pushing it too far
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The new Asus TF300t is $379 at most local retailers. For just a bit more than your $350 budget, you can have a quad core tab with expandable memory (SD slot). Not quite as nice as the Gtab 10.1 (the asus has a plastic back), but the performance makes up for that imo.
I recently got a galaxy nexus and my experience with ICS persuaded me to finally try some custom ROMs on my tab. The difference between stock and ICS with pershoot's kernel is unbelievable. My last quadrant score was 3487 and I'm normally right around there. If I was running CM9 instead of AOKP I'd probably be able to get it higher than that consistently. The ROMs are only going to get better as well. All that being said though, the hardware is a bit old. I don't have any issues with my tab's performance anymore but I would still evaluate other options.
Here's my Quadrant score running CM9 and the kernel that install with it.
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But if your in the market to buy a new tablet... I'd wait a bit, save up a little extra money and get a quadcore tablet.
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I'm in the market for a 7" tablet of some sort, as while I'm happy with my TF-101 Transformer it is rather bulky and I've begun to think that the 7" form factor really hits a kind of sweet spot. My choice at the moment seems to hover about the Nexus 7, because it gets the latest firmware updates with Google's blessing, which means also that custom firmware for it comes quickly. However, like all Nexus devices the Nexus 7 does not have an SD card slot, and that feels so wrong to me. I'm a damn media hound and I'd rather not have to transcode stuff all the time to make it fit.
The Kindle Fire HD(X) 7 is pretty nice looking as well, however it too lacks an SD card slot.
I've been considering the Asus MemoPad HD 7, but its specs are rather limited (roughly equivalent to a 1st gen Nexus 7), and from what I can see, there isn't even a dedicated forum section for development on it here. No one's done a KitKat-based ROM for it yet, though the TF-101 has one... I wonder if Asus is making a successor to it that would be equivalent to the 2013 Nexus 7.
The Acer Iconia B1 seems to be in a similar situation, and it seems that rooting the thing, while possible, is troublesome, and there have been reports of bricking. I can live without CFW, but I cannot live without root access. I have sworn never to buy a computing device I cannot get root access to.
Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 7.0 looks like my best alternative to the N7, but it's slightly above my approximately US$200 budget. It always seems that way: when I bought the Transformer TF-101s back in 2011, I was also considering the original Galaxy Tab, but it was twice the price of the Transformer. Which is why I bought two TF-101s instead.
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Any other choices?
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I'm in the market for a 7" tablet of some sort, as while I'm happy with my TF-101 Transformer it is rather bulky and I've begun to think that the 7" form factor really hits a kind of sweet spot. My choice at the moment seems to hover about the Nexus 7, because it gets the latest firmware updates with Google's blessing, which means also that custom firmware for it comes quickly. However, like all Nexus devices the Nexus 7 does not have an SD card slot, and that feels so wrong to me. I'm a damn media hound and I'd rather not have to transcode stuff all the time to make it fit.
The Kindle Fire HD(X) 7 is pretty nice looking as well, however it too lacks an SD card slot.
Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 7.0 looks like my best alternative to the N7, but it's slightly above my approximately US$200 budget. It always seems that way: when I bought the Transformer TF-101s back in 2011, I was also considering the original Galaxy Tab, but it was twice the price of the Transformer. Which is why I bought two TF-101s instead.
Any other choices?
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Personally I'd get the N7 2013 and use a portable Hard drive or USB stick if I really needed some offline storage.
But to answer your question, as much as I'm not their biggest fan, I'd recommend the Samsung and find the other $40.
I am vaguely interested in a nexus 9, but the driver gimping is a non starter. I do play some Tegra optimized games, and frankly I refuse to give them up because of Google handiwork. I was considering this device as an alternative to the shield tablet, but if this issue can't be fixed I'm going to stick with nvidia's offering. FYI I do already own the shield tablet, I was just considering a switch due to issues I've been having.
I too am interested in making this possible. Pretty frackin pissed at google for disabling something the hardware supports for no reason. Nvidia has it working for the shield tablet so you know the drivers and libraries are available and it would be a simple task for then to enable.
I don't know where its disabled or what all would have to be done/tried to make it work. I have complained on both Nvidias and googles forums. Currently waiting for nvidia to release the full factory images for lollipop for the shield tablet to try compare + copy files. I'm no developer but may have to learn how to compile kernels and build Roms to properly try and overcome this.
Anyone who has more knowledge of the ins and outs of linking libGL.so and such that can offer any insight on where to poke around or start would be greatly appreciated!
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I too am interested in making this possible. Pretty frackin pissed at google for disabling something the hardware supports for no reason. Nvidia has it working for the shield tablet so you know the drivers and libraries are available and it would be a simple task for then to enable.
I don't know where its disabled or what all would have to be done/tried to make it work. I have complained on both Nvidias and googles forums. Currently waiting for nvidia to release the full factory images for lollipop for the shield tablet to try compare + copy files. I'm no developer but may have to learn how to compile kernels and build Roms to properly try and overcome this.
Anyone who has more knowledge of the ins and outs of linking libGL.so and such that can offer any insight on where to poke around or start would be greatly appreciated!
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it would be much better if we had 1st party support instead of porting it over from the Nvidea shield. but its a start i guess.
Do you have the links were you complained to Google and Nvidea maybe if enough people complain they will do something about it.
Googles Nexus 9 forums...
https://productforums.google.com/forum/m/#!category-topic/nexus/nexus-9/HC3Gt7N_3_4
https://productforums.google.com/forum/m/#!category-topic/nexus/nexus-9/Kv-XL2cvEJ4
https://productforums.google.com/forum/m/#!category-topic/nexus/nexus-9/RwAGufbizTI
Nvidia...
https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/.../is-nexus-9-denver-tegra-k1-a-real-tegra-k1-/
https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/782024/tadp-for-nexus9-wishlist-/#4392958
These are all the places where I found any other information about our problem and trying to raise attention to it.
Latest response from someone at nvidia in the 2nd nvidia link above...
"Hi, Users
The K1 Chip does support OpenGL 4.4 and CUDA from the hardware side. The problem is that HTC made the device and Google controlled the software for that device.*
For Nexus 9, using AEP (Android Extension Pack) you can still achieve a lot graphics boost on K1 as using the modern OpenGL APIs."
So it sounds to me like google are the ones that left full GL 4.4 out. We need to petition google to have it enabled and included in future releases.
The Antutu benchmark for 3d graphics is really close between the Shield and Nexus 9. The N9 doesn't seem gimped in this regard. Is there some specific opengl functionality that was left out but doesn't show up in this benchmark?
What's really odd are the CPU performance numbers for the N9 in Antutu. I have a hard time believing the results, as the numbers seem unusually low.
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Yeah they removed a ton of functionality that can speed up applications, as well as breaking compatibility with a ton of existing apps. The android extension pack is a garbage replacement and is google's apparent reasoning for removing OpenGl support. Also benchmarks should be taken with a grain of salt anyways. They are garbage for real world use.
For anyone reading this thread, show your support and make your voice heard here...
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=80512#makechanges
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For anyone reading this thread, show your support and make your voice heard here...
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=80512#makechanges
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Added a comment.. Hopefully google will listen to us... Or perhaps a gifted developer will be able to port stuff from the nvidia shield device...
is there any progress or its dead
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is there any progress or its dead
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Pretty sure it's dead. The 5.1.1 update 2 months ago was a major update, and it includes no new OpenGL support.
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Pretty sure it's dead. The 5.1.1 update 2 months ago was a major update, and it includes no new OpenGL support.
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no i meant the porting thing