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Hello,
i have here an old HDX7 with stock ROM 13.3.1.0 and Safestrap 3.70 - i want to upgrade to a new ROM (something like this) but i don't know what the correct steps are to achieve that.
I'm sure i need to upgrade the stock firmware first (to 13.3.2.4 as in this tutorial) but i'm not sure how the procedure is affected by having Safestrap 3.70 already on the device?!
I'd be very glad if you could help me out!
Thanks in advance!!
blake_spector said:
Hello,
i have here an old HDX7 with stock ROM 13.3.1.0 and Safestrap 3.70 - i want to upgrade to a new ROM (something like this) but i don't know what the correct steps are to achieve that.
I'm sure i need to upgrade the stock firmware first (to 13.3.2.4 as in this tutorial) but i'm not sure how the procedure is affected by having Safestrap 3.70 already on the device?!
I'd be very glad if you could help me out!
Thanks in advance!!
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That's probably not the tutorial you want to follow. Bringing your device up to 3.2.4 will limit future options. I assume you have already rooted and blocked OTA updates. Suggested next steps:
- backup your device
- uninstall Safestrap (do this carefully to preserve your existing Fire OS install)
- install TWRP (thread)
- upgrade bootloader to v3.2.3 (thread)
- flash either of these roms: Nexus v2.0.5 or CM11
At some point you may want to unlock your bootloader which opens up additional options (eg: CM12). Please understand you each of the steps outlined above involves risk that can yield a fully bricked device that can not be recovered. Getting TWRP installed is your first defensive step beyond rooting as provides a more robust recovery environment. Please take the time to read through these forums and follow instructions carefully. Many things can and do go wrong. There are no step-by-step tutorials. Good luck.
Thank you very much Davey126!
Is there any information about how to uninstall Safestrap? I've searched but found nothing reliable so far (as you said - i want to do this carefully!)
Unfortunately the Stock ROM has been "reset to factory default" before the device got handed over to me so i can't find the "old" Safestrap App anywhere...
Do i need to install the APK again, and go from there?
Thanks for help!!
blake_spector said:
Thank you very much Davey126!
Is there any information about how to uninstall Safestrap? I've searched but found nothing reliable so far (as you said - i want to do this carefully!)
Unfortunately the Stock ROM has been "reset to factory default" before the device got handed over to me so i can't find the "old" Safestrap App anywhere...
Do i need to install the APK again, and go from there?
Thanks for help!!
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I would sideload the apk and execute. It should prompt for uninstall options. If choices are provided be sure to do what is needed preserve your existing image. I have never used Safestrap so don't have first hand knowledge. However, other postings suggest this is the correct path.
You might want to take a look at this tool first. It's old but supports rooting, blocking OTA and a few other features. It must be run while tethered which avoids having to enable WiFi and potentially receive and unwanted OTA. It also verifies that you can successfully communicate with your HDX via tether which could become important downstream.
I posted this guide to get to CM12 from 13.3.2.4 which involved getting back to 13.3.1.0, no more safestrap, to the unlocked bootloader, to cm12. Or don't unlock bootloader and go CM11.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60186871&postcount=82
Hey guys ive got a hdx 7' RUNNING FIRE OS 3.2.4 everything i have been reading is saying that this version is somewhat unique in that there are a few roms availible mostly from safestrapp but most are not, twrp requires 3.2.3 and earlier as well as the bootloader unlock procedure. Can anyone point me in the direction on how to downgrade to one of the earlier versions. Currently i am rooted, ota disabled via: hdxtookit, i had safestrapp and a asop rom installed but was getting google play services stopped working error messages and restored to factory because i havent used the kindle in a year. Anyways i'm looking to get back into it and got cm 12.1 on my sgs3 and wanted to get something similar but keep runninginto problems with my version fire os. So just need a quick link to a roll back procedure in english and i should be able to do the rest from unlock - twrp - roms etc. I've been searching off and on the past few weeks but do not find anything definitive so i decided to finally ask to get an answer thanks for any and all help.
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So basicaly for unlock BL and real TWRP you need have FW between x.3.1.0 and x.3.2.3:
Depending on your computer skills rollback can be achieved easy (or not).
Guide in english? Here, but you must mess with build.prop and on hdx especialy its really dangerous procedure - if you made simple mistake, it could be your last with that device and deadly for it for sure.
Sorry, I will not guide you through the process, if you feel you are lost, you can ask davey126 for help, but he answered this type of question soo many times . . . you can try read his posts before you ask him, there is high posibility he answered it somewhere...
jeryll said:
So basicaly for unlock BL and real TWRP you need have FW between x.3.1.0 and x.3.2.3:
Depending on your computer skills rollback can be achieved easy (or not).
Guide in english? Here, but you must mess with build.prop and on hdx especialy its really dangerous procedure - if you made simple mistake, it could be your last with that device and deadly for it for sure.
Sorry, I will not guide you through the process, if you feel you are lost, you can ask davey126 for help, but he answered this type of question soo many times . . . you can try read his posts before you ask him, there is high posibility he answered it somewhere...
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@jeryll is spot on. There are a ton of helpful posts from a variety of authors that could get you started. This one comes to mind although there are many others. Lots of folks here are happy to answer targeted questions but you have to do your homework first. Read (and read some more), go slow, stop and post a question if unsure, don't take chances. Good luck.
Random thoughts:
- I strongly encourage upgrading to 13.3.2.5 or 13.3.2.6 prior to rolling back to 13.3.1.0. Lower risk and clears out 'crud' that could ruin your day.
- Use HDX toolkit to block/unblock OTA. Don't mess with any other technique; bad day follows.
- Once OTA is unblocked stay off WiFi. Period. Do transfer/installs via tether. Belt-and-suspenders types engage airplane mode and delete existing WiFi profiles too.
- Double check every action before executing. Stop and ask questions if unsure. Juggling babies is safer than taking a wrong turn (ok ... maybe that's a bit extreme).
- Many guides suggest bootloader unlocking before installing TWRP recovery. My comfort meter goes the opposite way. Your call. There are decent arguments for both approaches.
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@jeryll is spot on. There are a ton of helpful posts from a variety of authors that could get you started. This one comes to mind although there are many others. Lots of folks here are happy to answer targeted questions but you have to do your homework first. Read (and read some more), go slow, stop and post a question if unsure, don't take chances. Good luck.
Random thoughts:
- I strongly encourage upgrading to 13.3.2.5 or 13.3.2.6 prior to rolling back to 13.3.1.0. Lower risk and clears out 'crud' that could ruin your day.
- Use HDX toolkit to block/unblock OTA. Don't mess with any other technique; bad day follows.
- Once OTA is unblocked stay off WiFi. Period. Do transfer/installs via tether. Belt-and-suspenders types engage airplane mode and delete existing WiFi profiles too.
- Double check every action before executing. Stop and ask questions if unsure. Juggling babies is safer than taking a wrong turn (ok ... maybe that's a bit extreme).
- Many guides suggest bootloader unlocking before installing TWRP recovery. My comfort meter goes the opposite way. Your call. There are decent arguments for both approaches.
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How can I upgrade to 3.2.5 or 6. I believe I blocked ota it's been so lo.g ago I searched.for.the files and didn't see them anywhere so I assume it's still active even after factory restoration. And it's possible to twrp without unlocked boot loader? I didn't know that. What are the pros and cons. I'm not a dev so I went need to play around with much just want to rid of fire os and use a cm or nexus. If I can do that safety id LOVE that but still willing to try the adk route. Thanks for the info guys.
rbkelley89 said:
How can I upgrade to 3.2.5 or 6. I believe I blocked ota it's been so lo.g ago I searched.for.the files and didn't see them anywhere so I assume it's still active even after factory restoration. And it's possible to twrp without unlocked boot loader? I didn't know that. What are the pros and cons. I'm not a dev so I went need to play around with much just want to rid of fire os and use a cm or nexus. If I can do that safety id LOVE that but still willing to try the adk route. Thanks for the info guys.
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Locate HDX toolkit in the Android Development thread and try to remove the OTA block that way. Keep WiFi off or you might receive an unwanted update.
Although not recommended twrp can be installed with a locked bootloader.
Travelling this week so can't get into more detail. Suggest you keep reading. Don't do stuff unless you are absolutely confident in your skills, knowledge, risks and expected outcome(s). Post questions. Many folks willing to help if you have done your homework. Sorry for brevity ...
Yes, be ESPECIALLY careful with build.prop. I learned this the hard way. They is nothing like Odin for Samsung that can save you.
XxD34THxX said:
Yes, be ESPECIALLY careful with build.prop. I learned this the hard way. They is nothing like Odin for Samsung that can save you.
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The path I am suggesting does not involve modifying build.prop.
Can't he just use the rollback Images provided by ggow?
Must stay on 3.2.4. then though.
Cl4ncy said:
Can't he just use the rollback Images provided by ggow?
Must stay on 3.2.4. then though.
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Nice finding, I absolutely forgot that this existed, of course he can use that thread with rollback images to downgrade to x.3.1.0! Then he can install TWRP etc... (as I did in the past - proof below )
jeryll said:
Thank you sir, successfully rolled back to 14.3.1.0, installed TWRP 2.8.1.0 and now I will play a little with TWRP
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Can't he just use the rollback Images provided by ggow?
Must stay on 3.2.4. then though.
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Nice find! I had seen that post (long ago) but the significance never set in for Safestrap v3 users with FireOS xx.3.2.4 in the stock slot. Even if not rocking SS it is probably easier (and definitely a lot safer) to install SS vs rolling up just to roll back or messing with build.prop.
The OTA block could still be a problem as the @ggow's procedure still involves Amazon's native update mechanism.
Edit: Disregard OTA comment as modified 3.2.4 goes on first and should restore OTA capability (more importantly the ability to detect and process FireOS bin files in the appropriate location).
I upgraded from 13.3.2.4 to 13.3.2.5 and edited build.prop, so now my version shows 13.3.0.9. I downloaded 13.3.1.0 rom from Amazon server. When updating I always received the following error message "Unable to complete update because the update file is not valid. Please try downloading the file again" (I tried downloading 13.3.1.0 at least 5 times, but none of the downloaded file works). I suspect that something goes wrong with the rom file on Amazon server.
Anybody can help direct me to a non-amazon site or upload your working file to somewhere I can download from?
Thank you very much.
Davey126 said:
Nice find! I had seen that post (long ago) but the significance never set in for Safestrap v3 users with FireOS xx.3.2.4 in the stock slot. Even if not rocking SS it is probably easier (and definitely a lot safer) to install SS vs rolling up just to roll back or messing with build.prop.
The OTA block could still be a problem as the @ggow's procedure still involves Amazon's native update mechanism.
Edit: Disregard OTA comment as modified 3.2.4 goes on first and should restore OTA capability (more importantly the ability to detect and process FireOS bin files in the appropriate location).
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pquan2009 said:
I upgraded from 13.3.2.4 to 13.3.2.5 and edited build.prop, so now my version shows 13.3.0.9. I downloaded 13.3.1.0 rom from Amazon server. When updating I always received the following error message "Unable to complete update because the update file is not valid. Please try downloading the file again" (I tried downloading 13.3.1.0 at least 5 times, but none of the downloaded file works). I suspect that something goes wrong with the rom file on Amazon server.
Anybody can help direct me to a non-amazon site or upload your working file to somewhere I can download from?
Thank you very much.
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AFAIK after upgrading to x.3.2.5(or 6) you cant use downgrading via editing build.prop anymore (thanks to Amazon), check this thread for more info.
IF you decide to take further actions PLEASE READ INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY, so far you are lucky you didnt brick your kindle.
jeryll said:
AFAIK after upgrading to x.3.2.5(or 6) you cant use downgrading via editing build.prop anymore (thanks to Amazon), check this thread for more info.
IF you decide to take further actions PLEASE READ INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY, so far you are lucky you didnt brick your kindle.
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if i go this route which looks relatively easy do i end up deleting safestrap because i thought twrp doesnt work with it installed? and which safestrap do i install ss 3.72 ... download links are down l?
rbkelley89 said:
if i go this route which looks relatively easy do i end up deleting safestrap because i thought twrp doesnt work with it installed? and which safestrap do i install ss 3.72 ... download links are down l?
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Assuming you are on 13.3.2.4 (must be that version) you need Safestrap v3.75 b02 for Thor (here). See Safestrap OP for additional information on installing/configuring Safestrap. Or follow part 1-2 of this guide. You do not need to create secondary slots as you will be overwriting FireOS in the Stock ROM Slot. This obviously dangerous. If something goes wrong you could be left with an unbootable device. Make a backup of your current environment from Safestrap recovery before flashing the rollback file. Note rolling back to 3.1.0 is a two step process. Be sure you understand these instructions and have the correct files. Ask questions if unsure.
After you have successfully rolled back to 3.1.0 you should uninstall safestrap before flashing native twrp, bumping your bootloader to 3.2.3 and then unlocking. Alternatively, you can work on bootloader unlocking first while Safestrap is installed which will offer more robust recovery capabilities should something go wrong in subsequent steps.
Davey126 said:
Assuming you are on 13.3.2.4 (must be that version) you need Safestrap v3.75 b02 for Thor (here). See Safestrap OP for additional information on installing/configuring Safestrap. Or follow part 1-2 of this guide. You do not need to create secondary slots as you will be overwriting FireOS in the Stock ROM Slot. This obviously dangerous. If something goes wrong you could be left with an unbootable device. Make a backup of your current environment from Safestrap recovery before flashing the rollback file. Note rolling back to 3.1.0 is a two step process. Be sure you understand these instructions and have the correct files. Ask questions if unsure.
After you have successfully rolled back to 3.1.0 you should uninstall safestrap before flashing native twrp, bumping your bootloader to 3.2.3 and then unlocking. Alternatively, you can work on bootloader unlocking first while Safestrap is installed which will offer more robust recovery capabilities should something go wrong in subsequent steps.
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thank you so much for the walk through and linking everything i am initiating the process and now have safestrap and backup installed. going through with the rollback then i will start the unlock rocedure. update with any questions or issues i run into. thank you again!
quick thing i ran into before doing factory reset and rebooting into modified stock 3.2.4 it says to have the stock 3.1.0 files where can i find that file it wasn't linked in the rollback instruction or under the modified stock 3.2.4 zip from what i could see?
rbkelley89 said:
thank you so much for the walk through and linking everything i am initiating the process and now have safestrap and backup installed. going through with the rollback then i will start the unlock rocedure. update with any questions or issues i run into. thank you again!
quick thing i ran into before doing factory reset and rebooting into modified stock 3.2.4 it says to have the stock 3.1.0 files where can i find that file it wasn't linked in the rollback instruction or under the modified stock 3.2.4 zip from what i could see?
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You can grab stock images here. Be absolutely certain you snag the correct one for your device. Verify md5=c49c0363de4d8dfa5c87c1bdb88aa2ba with ES FIle Explorer (long click the file and select 'properties' from the 'more' menu). Note you will loose root and OTA blocking. Be sure to stay off wifi. Use HDX Toolkit (requires usb tether to Windows PC) to root 3.1.0 and reblock OTA if needed.
Hi guys,
I got my Kindle Fire HDX 8.9" and my first goal is obviously to get rid of the Fire OS...
My device is currently running 14.3.2.2
I directly started to KFHDX+ Toolkit 0.95 to get root, ota blocker and HDXposed.
But now I'm stuck and need to ask what is now the best way to get CM11 on my apollo.
So let's begin...
I seem to have two choices. Either installation of safestrap or TWRP.
While TWRP sound more complicated, but having more possibilities.
So I have the following two problems
a) Safestrap - it seems it requires XX.4.5.2
I have an older version, so I better not try to install Safestrap on it.
b) TWRP - seems to require .3.2.3.2 and I should unlock my bootloader
Slightly different version from what I use. But I'm not sure if it's compatible anyway... and I have no unlocked bootloader yet. So better not giving it a try
So should I upgrade by ota to the latest Amazon firmware and can use safestrap then? (is xx.4.5.2 the latest?)
Or is there an instruction how to update to .3.2.3.2 and unlock my bootloader as preconditions for TWRP?
Thanks for helping a 8.9 " newbie.
Always interesting to explore a new device, but sometimes hard to understand the simplest things
I'd suggest to update to 3.2.3.2 and use TWRP, it gives you more options, you probably will miss, if you'd update to 4.5.2 and use Safestrap.
I've Thor though, so I'm not exactly sure where you can find 3.2.3.2 for Apollo atm, the bootloader unlock procedure is described here, TWRP Installation here.
If you get stuck at the bootloader unlock procedure with "Waiting for device" in the fastboot prompt, and "Ready" on the HDX, you need to install the correct drivers (check device manager, the HDX is probably there with a yellow exclamation mark then - you're on Windows?).
Before you do anything be sure you have all correct files, and if in doubt ask first (i.e. before you brick your HDX).
Thanks for the link to this great explaination from ceyo14. I found the original post in the same thread, but it was hard to understand what to do. This is much more simpler than expected. I'm running windows.
Since I could not wait yesterday I also already started an experiment to go for 4.5.2 and use safestrap.
My bad is that it did not work. I was trapped in a bootloop and was glad to escape by holding volume down and power. Close call... So I removed safestrap again and I'm back to 0% progress but with 4.5.2.
So I think my next blocking point is the downgrade because I will not follow up the safestrap variant any more. I hope it's possible at all to downgrade and will search later for a tutorial. I assume it's not just copying 3.2.3.2 to internal storage and execute the update via settings
messiah said:
Thanks for the link to this great explaination from ceyo14. I found the original post in the same thread, but it was hard to understand what to do. This is much more simpler than expected. I'm running windows.
Since I could not wait yesterday I also already started an experiment to go for 4.5.2 and use safestrap.
My bad is that it did not work. I was trapped in a bootloop and was glad to escape by holding volume down and power. Close call... So I removed safestrap again and I'm back to 0% progress but with 4.5.2.
So I think my next blocking point is the downgrade because I will not follow up the safestrap variant any more. I hope it's possible at all to downgrade and will search later for a tutorial. I assume it's not just copying 3.2.3.2 to internal storage and execute the update via settings
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Hm, that was probably a bad idea, I don't think you can downgrade to 3.2.3.2 anymore. You will most likely brick your HDX. So no more unlocked bootloader and TWRP for you, sorry.
You must use the new Safestrap with 4.5.2, and read the requirements carefully!
Cl4ncy said:
Hm, that was probably a bad idea, I don't think you can downgrade to 3.2.3.2 anymore. You will most likely brick your HDX. So no more unlocked bootloader and TWRP for you, sorry.
You must use the new Safestrap with 4.5.2, and read the requirements carefully!
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@Cl4ncy is correct. You'd better block OTA (or stay off WiFi) or your device will be pushed to 4.5.4 which present a whole new set of headaches. Word of advice: Read up before taking chances. If you 'can not wait' and start trying stuff at random save yourself some time and just toss your device in the trash now (sorry for the harsh comment).
Hi, no problem I will get a another one and will return the current
For safestrap 4.0.1 I rooted the device and have 4.5.2 - pre conditions fulfilled. Boot loop anyway. So I don't now what else should I do...
The strange string is that my device is showing version 14.3.0.0, even I installed 4.5.2 - that must be a remaining of a script I executed to force the Kindle HDX to update to 4.5.2 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55759790&postcount=204)
(My HDX 8.9 did not take the 4.5.2 update)
messiah said:
Hi, no problem I will get a another one and will return the current
For safestrap 4.0.1 I rooted the device and have 4.5.2 - pre conditions fulfilled. Boot loop anyway. So I don't now what else should I do...
The strange string is that my device is showing version 14.3.0.0, even I installed 4.5.2 - that must be a remaining of a script I executed to force the Kindle HDX to update to 4.5.2 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55759790&postcount=204)
(My HDX 8.9 did not take the 4.5.2 update)
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Upgrade did not fully complete as evidenced by the mismatch between build.prop version and those shown elsewhere. Who knows what else might be missing. FrankenKindle.
flashed a second device sucessfully to CM 12.1 with unlocked bootloader, thanks for the help!
I am on rooted Thor with 13.3.2.4, with the Nexus Rom installed via safestrap. I have been reading all the threads on unlocking the bootloader and find all of the steps to be very scary. I would like to wait until there was some kind of "toolkit" for this rather than having to first downgrade and then use python through adb etc which I am somewhat uncomfortable with. Will there ever be such a simpler solution?
The bootloader unlock procedure is a no brainer, can't mess up anything there. Downgrading is a little risky, but you're on 3.2.4, thus you can even use the rollback images for Safestrap, take a look at this thread (page 1 is about 3.2.5/3.2.6 users who can NOT use the downgrade images). I'm afraid it won't get any easier than that.
If you don't want to use Python, just execute the adb commands to get your ID and serial (post them here, or PM me if you don't want anyone to see them), I'll create the .unlock file for you then. Downgrading and (actual) unlocking are tasks you have to do yourself though.
I think I might try it this weekend. Thanks for the help.
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The bootloader unlock procedure is a no brainer, can't mess up anything there. Downgrading is a little risky, but you're on 3.2.4, thus you can even use the rollback images for Safestrap, take a look at this thread (page 1 is about 3.2.5/3.2.6 users who can NOT use the downgrade images). I'm afraid it won't get any easier than that.
If you don't want to use Python, just execute the adb commands to get your ID and serial (post them here, or PM me if you don't want anyone to see them), I'll create the .unlock file for you then. Downgrading and (actual) unlocking are tasks you have to do yourself though.
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I have successfully downgraded to 13.3.1.0, but I am confused about how to install TWRP. Since I have not enabled wifi and registered, I can't install flashify or cwm, or even install a file explorer apk to access my storage, and I don't know how to get the twrp.img file (which I guess I can only install via adb?) Where do I get the correct twrp.img file? I'm kind of stuck....
kbs24 said:
I have successfully downgraded to 13.3.1.0, but I am confused about how to install TWRP. Since I have not enabled wifi and registered, I can't install flashify or cwm, or even install a file explorer apk to access my storage, and I don't know how to get the twrp.img file (which I guess I can only install via adb?) Where do I get the correct twrp.img file? I'm kind of stuck....
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I am by no means an expert but I just went through this process myself yesterday and it was relatively simple. Check this thread. It has a number of helpful posts in it, including my questions from yesterday.
The correct TWRP image is here. Just follow the instructions in that thread. It's super simple if you use the minimal adb and fastboot linked by Cl4ncy in the first thread I linked. If you have any other questions I'll do my best to help you.
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I have successfully downgraded to 13.3.1.0, but I am confused about how to install TWRP. Since I have not enabled wifi and registered, I can't install flashify or cwm, or even install a file explorer apk to access my storage, and I don't know how to get the twrp.img file (which I guess I can only install via adb?) Where do I get the correct twrp.img file? I'm kind of stuck....
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Sorry for the late reply, @muunkin pointed you in the right direction already.
Be sure to (re-)root 3.1.0 and disable OTA via HDX ToolKit, and enable USB debugging in Fire OS, hope you installed minimal adb and fastboot, then copy the TWRP image for your HDX (Thor = 7", Apollo = 8.9") to the root of the sdcard (which is the directory you'll see in Explorer after connecting the HDX to your PC, i.e. don't open another directory), open a DOS box, change dir to the adb directory (enter cd\adb) and enter the commands mentioned in the TWRP thread. This will flash the TWRP image to the recovery parition.
Do a backup of your Fire OS in TWRP before you flash any custom ROM, and copy it to your PC, also look for the TWRP backup of the stock recovery (I think TWRP does a backup somewhere), and move that to your PC as well.
In case you don't know how to access TWRP: with the HDX powered off, you press and hold volume up, then press and hold the power button, release both when the grey Kindle Fire logo appears on screen. Some ROMs (e.g. CM12) offer the advanced reboot in developer options, this will add options to reboot into recovery, bootloader or a soft (quick) reboot to the power menu.
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Sorry for the late reply, @muunkin pointed you in the right direction already.
Be sure to (re-)root 3.1.0 and disable OTA via HDX ToolKit, and enable USB debugging in Fire OS, hope you installed minimal adb and fastboot, then copy the TWRP image for your HDX (Thor = 7", Apollo = 8.9") to the root of the sdcard (which is the directory you'll see in Explorer after connecting the HDX to your PC, i.e. don't open another directory), open a DOS box, change dir to the adb directory (enter cd\adb) and enter the commands mentioned in the TWRP thread. This will flash the TWRP image to the recovery parition.
Do a backup of your Fire OS in TWRP before you flash any custom ROM, and copy it to your PC, also look for the TWRP backup of the stock recovery (I think TWRP does a backup somewhere), and move that to your PC as well.
In case you don't know how to access TWRP: with the HDX powered off, you press and hold volume up, then press and hold the power button, release both when the grey Kindle Fire logo appears on screen. Some ROMs (e.g. CM12) offer the advanced reboot in developer options, this will add options to reboot into recovery, bootloader or a soft (quick) reboot to the power menu.
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Thank you both @muunkin and @Cl4ncy for guiding me through this. It is clear now that I have to flash TWRP via adb. Unfortunately I did, however, last night briefly turn on wifi in order to get es file explorer, and very quickly the OS ugraded itself to 13.3.2.3. Then, stupidly, I decided to go back to Nexus rom 2.0.2, which I did by reinstalling safestrap. And, Nexus rom is installed on the Stock Rom slot, and I did NOT backup the 13.3.2.3 stock rom. SO, since I am on Nexus rom, do I understand correctly that I need to begin again by downgrading to 13.3.1.0? Right? (After printing out all of these threads and printing out a lot of it and carefully reading, it looks to me like if I had stayed on stock 13.3.2.3 I would not have had to downgrade.....but too late now anyway.) I do have the minimal adb and fastboot installed, and my device is recognized, so eventually this will work I'm pretty sure. I appreciate the help!
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Thank you both @muunkin and @Cl4ncy for guiding me through this. It is clear now that I have to flash TWRP via adb. Unfortunately I did, however, last night briefly turn on wifi in order to get es file explorer, and very quickly the OS ugraded itself to 13.3.2.3. Then, stupidly, I decided to go back to Nexus rom 2.0.2, which I did by reinstalling safestrap. And, Nexus rom is installed on the Stock Rom slot, and I did NOT backup the 13.3.2.3 stock rom. SO, since I am on Nexus rom, do I understand correctly that I need to begin again by downgrading to 13.3.1.0? Right? (After printing out all of these threads and printing out a lot of it and carefully reading, it looks to me like if I had stayed on stock 13.3.2.3 I would not have had to downgrade.....but too late now anyway.) I do have the minimal adb and fastboot installed, and my device is recognized, so eventually this will work I'm pretty sure. I appreciate the help!
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No, 13.3.2.3 is ok for both TWRP and unlocking the bootloader, i.e. no need to flash 3.1.0 again - a firmware below 3.2.4 is enough.
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No, 13.3.2.3 is ok for both TWRP and unlocking the bootloader, i.e. no need to flash 3.1.0 again - a firmware below 3.2.4 is enough.
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Even if I am not running on the stock rom? I can adb install TWRP while on Nexus rom?
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Even if I am not running on the stock rom? I can adb install TWRP while on Nexus rom?
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Hm, I'm not exactly sure about this - @ggow's answer here seems to point out that you really have to do it all over again.
Why did you install Safestrap again anyway? ADB-flashing TWRP and unlocking the bootloader before you install a custom ROM would've been the next steps. Also I told you to create a backup of your stock slot before you flash any custom ROM, didn't I?
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Hm, I'm not exactly sure about this - @ggow's answer here seems to point out that you really have to do it all over again.
Why did you install Safestrap again anyway? ADB-flashing TWRP and unlocking the bootloader before you install a custom ROM would've been the next steps. Also I told you to create a backup of your stock slot before you flash any custom ROM, didn't I?
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Yes you sure did, and that's why I said "stupidly" about me putting safestrap back and nexus rom. I was overanxious and acted impulsively, not having a recovery installed was freaking me out. Bad habit. About doing the backup, there did not appear to be enough room on the internal storage. Sorry. We'll start over no problem. Again thanks.
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Yes you sure did, and that's why I said "stupidly" about me putting safestrap back and nexus rom. I was overanxious and acted impulsively, not having a recovery installed was freaking me out. Bad habit. About doing the backup, there did not appear to be enough room on the internal storage. Sorry. We'll start over no problem. Again thanks.
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I'm also not sure how to do this now. You don't have any Safestrap 3.2.3 Fire OS backup to restore, you shouldn't use the 3.2.4 rollback image, as you're not on 3.2.4, so what do you want to flash to the stock slot now? Or did I miss anything?
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I'm also not sure how to do this now. You don't have any Safestrap 3.2.3 Fire OS backup to restore, you shouldn't use the 3.2.4 rollback image, as you're not on 3.2.4, so what do you want to flash to the stock slot now? Or did I miss anything?
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I was going to look for a stock 3.2.3 to flash. If can't find, I do have a backup of stock 3.2.4 on the card which I would flash, thus requiring the downgrade.
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I was going to look for a stock 3.2.3 to flash. If can't find, I do have a backup of stock 3.2.4 on the card which I would flash, thus requiring the downgrade.
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I haven't seen a 3.2.3 Safestrap flashable Image, good luck. Regarding the 3.2.4 backup I'm not sure whether it works with the 3.2.3 bootloader.
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I haven't seen a 3.2.3 Safestrap flashable Image, good luck. Regarding the 3.2.4 backup I'm not sure whether it works with the 3.2.3 bootloader.
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Yeah, I am probably screwed. But we'll see. I'm pretty sure I understand what the process should be at least.
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Yeah, I am probably screwed. But we'll see. I'm pretty sure I understand what the process should be at least.
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Not sure how far you got with this but you *should* be able to flash TWRP from Nexus provided the version of FireOS was 3.2.3.2 or lower prior to the installation of Safestrap v3. The customized version of twrp leverages a vulnerability in the HDX bootloader that is installed with FireOS. Neither Safestrap nor Nexus mess with the bootloader so the prerequisites should remain intact. I say should as interactions are complex - further complicated by a fussy device with limited recovery capability should something go wrong. To the best of my knowledge no one has attempted a twrp flash from Nexus while Safestrap v3 is installed.
Thoughts:
- grab flashify from the play store or here; make a backup of your current recovery environment (this step will also help to familiarize you with flashify)
- download the HDX customized version of twrp (here); use ES File Explorer to verify MD5
- use flashify to install twrp (can also be done via adb commands as shown in the twrp op)
Options:
- unlock the bootloader before attempting other remedial steps. Unlocking is a frustrating but low/no risk activity that yields substantially improved recovery capabilities once completed. Yep - you can do this without twrp (unlocking before flashing twrp is the recommended path according to several devs - although I prefer the opposite).
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- flash 3.1.0 from here to the stock slot and then attempt to remove Safestrap v3. If successful you can proceed with flashing twrp unlocking, etc in the normal manner. As with any flash there is a risk something will go wrong or FireOS will not start up properly. To help mitigate the latter suggest installing a fallback version of Nexus v2 in a secondary slot. Don't forget to remove this slot before uninstalling SS.
The above is only an outline. Give it some thought and post any questions BEFORE taking action. I also suggest you let this post sit for a few days in case some of the rational is fatally flawed. Lots of smart people in the community who will jump in if my guidance is misdirected (which it has been shown to be on occasion). Don't risk a brick by acting too quickly. Proper preparation is essential for a successful outcome.
Sorry for sounding like your mum ... :angel:
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Not sure how far you got with this but you *should* be able to flash TWRP from Nexus provided the version of FireOS was 3.2.3.2 or lower prior to the installation of Safestrap v3. The customized version of twrp leverages a vulnerability in the HDX bootloader that is installed with FireOS. Neither Safestrap nor Nexus mess with the bootloader so the prerequisites should remain intact. I say should as interactions are complex - further complicated by a fussy device with limited recovery capability should something go wrong. To the best of my knowledge no one has attempted a twrp flash from Nexus while Safestrap v3 is installed.
Thoughts:
- grab flashify from the play store or here; make a backup of your current recovery environment (this step will also help to familiarize you with flashify)
- download the HDX customized version of twrp (here); use ES File Explorer to verify MD5
- use flashify to install twrp (can also be done via adb commands as shown in the twrp op)
Options:
- unlock the bootloader before attempting other remedial steps. Unlocking is a frustrating but low/no risk activity that yields substantially improved recovery capabilities once completed. Yep - you can do this without twrp (unlocking before flashing twrp is the recommended path according to several devs - although I prefer the opposite).
[-or-]
- flash 3.1.0 from here to the stock slot and then attempt to remove Safestrap v3. If successful you can proceed with flashing twrp unlocking, etc in the normal manner. As with any flash there is a risk something will go wrong or FireOS will not start up properly. To help mitigate the latter suggest installing a fallback version of Nexus v2 in a secondary slot. Don't forget to remove this slot before uninstalling SS.
The above is only an outline. Give it some thought and post any questions BEFORE taking action. I also suggest you let this post sit for a few days in case some of the rational is fatally flawed. Lots of smart people in the community who will jump in if my guidance is misdirected (which it has been shown to be on occasion). Don't risk a brick by acting too quickly. Proper preparation is essential for a successful outcome.
Sorry for sounding like your mum ... :angel:
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Thanks for your input. I am still on the nexus rom, but I am fairly sure that Safestrap was installed while on 13.3.2.4. Is there a way to tell? It is safestrap 3.75, based on twrp 2.7.
I had some time today to work on this, and after looking over the ideas from all of you (thank you very much!) it seemed that my only option is to restore my backup which will get me back to the Nexus 2.0.2 rom. So I did this successfully. Being on Nexus rom, I was then able to use the 13.3.2.4 rollback file to get back to 13.3.0.9. Then ran into trouble......the system update to 13.3.1.0 was not successful. the .bin file was located, but all that happened was a "validating update file" followed by forced reboot. I remain stuck on 13.3.0.9. There are threads discussing editing build.prop but I know I did not have to do this when I first did a rollback a few days ago. Not sure whether to give up or maybe someone has another idea how to get the system to use that .bin file? Should I turn on wifi and wait for an ota or is that too risky, will it jump me all the way up to the most current build? Will it maybe go incrementally?
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Thanks for your input. I am still on the nexus rom, but I am fairly sure that Safestrap was installed while on 13.3.2.4. Is there a way to tell? It is safestrap 3.75, based on twrp 2.7.
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(Also as you suggested, I did try flashing the zip 3.1.0 and it did not work, never rebooted successfully. So went back again to 3.0.9.)
kbs24 said:
I had some time today to work on this, and after looking over the ideas from all of you (thank you very much!) it seemed that my only option is to restore my backup which will get me back to the Nexus 2.0.2 rom. So I did this successfully. Being on Nexus rom, I was then able to use the 13.3.2.4 rollback file to get back to 13.3.0.9. Then ran into trouble......the system update to 13.3.1.0 was not successful. the .bin file was located, but all that happened was a "validating update file" followed by forced reboot. I remain stuck on 13.3.0.9. There are threads discussing editing build.prop but I know I did not have to do this when I first did a rollback a few days ago. Not sure whether to give up or maybe someone has another idea how to get the system to use that .bin file? Should I turn on wifi and wait for an ota or is that too risky, will it jump me all the way up to the most current build? Will it maybe go incrementally?
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Glad you were able to make some progress. I believe you could have flashed twrp from Nexus as I believe you successfully downgraded/upgraded to 13.3.2.3 which would then be the base version when you reininstalled Safestrap. But you found another path which is just fine.
It is possible the 13.3.1.0 is invalid (possibly corrupt). You can use ES File Explorer to validate the MD5 (c49c0363de4d8dfa5c87c1bdb88aa2ba) or download a fresh copy here. You can also upgrade directly to 13.3.2.3 instead of hopscotching through 13.3.1.0 and then applying the 13.2.3.3 bootloader update.
I strongly suggest you NOT connect to WiFi as it is unpredictable if/when you will receive at OTA and what version will be downloaded. Options for getting files onto you device:
- use HDX toolkit to root and block OTA on 13.3.0.9; you can then enable WiFi
- tether your device and drop files into "Internal Storage"
- use 'adb push' to transfer files
You should not need to mess with build.prop as the 3.2.4->3.0.9 rollback should have handed that. It's quite easy to brick your device if you get any of the edits or permissions wrong.
Warning: Potentially long post ahead with mini-intro/rant
Hi XDA! I'm a noob new user/newbie when it comes to rooting. I have some (little) experience with jailbreaking my iPhone previously (It turned out very well), when the guy I paid to do so practically bricked my old one (SHEESH, you can't count on other people to do these things, better do them yourself) but have not tackled rooting Android devices yet.
I have a 3rd gen Kindle Fire HDX 7" (Thor).
Don't get me wrong, I love my Kindle. It's been an awesome pal for the past two years, aside from the loose charging port, the lack of interesting stuff on the Amazon appstore, and the inability to change or customize YOUR device, I decided it was time to "get my feet wet". I've been coming back to these forums over the past few months, in hopes of finding a root for 4.5.5.2 but I'd always chicken out in fear of bricking it. Eventually, I learned that to root, I need to rollback to a certain firmware.
OKAY, so I've done a little reading here and there in the past two hours (or more) and have gathered the following information so far (if there's something worth clarifying or expounding, please do!):
Point 1: The steps are, in order: Rollback to 3.2.8, upgrade to 4.5.2, root, block OTA, install Safestrap v4, and (optional) flash custom ROM.
My options are CM11 and Nexus 4 as of the moment (from what I've seen on these forums, but CM11 has been discontinued[????] and there's a newer version of HDX Nexus ROM v4 called Fire Nexus ROM somewhere if I'm not mistaken)
Question: Which do you suggest? CM11 or Nexus 4? What are the pros and cons of each?
Point 2: I understand that I need to download everything in advance and store them in a unique folder so that it'd be easier for me later on.
Question: Do you recommend that I factory reset my Kindle before anything else and THEN download everything I need in preparation? Won't these downloads be deleted/removed if I rollback my device to 3.2.8? I'm planning on creating a backup of these files on my PC in case something goes wrong or missing.
Point 3: I saw something that said
It was only tested with 14.4.5.2, but should also work with 13.4.5.2.
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Question: What's the difference between 14.4.5.2 and 13.4.5.2? I haven't dug deep enough in the forums to know if there's an answer to the question, but I made this thread to clear up everything I'm unsure of.
Point 4: Before anything, I know I've got to understand the basics of ADB before even attempting any of this (like commands and such). In one of the threads, I saw this:
"Install minimal adb + fastboot......"
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Question: What's the difference between minimal adb versus the whole package/thing? Shouldn't it be better to just download or install the full thing (no matter how big the file/program/application is)? What are the pros and cons?
YES, I know I have to understand what USB debug means and/or how to enable it. (I bookmarked an article for further reading soon, but already have enabled the setting within my device).
Other things I've gathered so far:
-Always have a copy of ES File Explorer along with other important files.
Never perform a factory reset unless specifically advised to do so by someone experienced with HDX devices....
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-Use a Windows PC/laptop. I'm using a mac, which is basically useless for games and the like not ideal when rooting. (Tiny question. Do I really need to install Linux/Ubuntu even if I can use someone's Windows PC/lappy to root?
-To root successfully, I've got to enable mock locations from developer options (already did).
-Before installing/flashing custom ROMS, I need to make a backup of the stock ROM.
CONCERNS:
Known issues regarding safestrap include secondary slots which boot but the WiFi module doesn't load (Which means I have to flash Nexus v4 to the STOCK SLOT for now [?????] is there any workaround for this? Because from what I've read so far, tampering with the stock is a big NO-NO unless you know what you're doing or in this case, "...unless I know what I'm doing.".) Or at least any reassurance? A safe, fool-proof way of doing this without at least bricking my device (likely)?
That's all I've got so far. I've compiled everything the basic things I need to know in a notepad, from steps and instructions, to tuts and download links.
Apologies for my english, this is not my native language
Thanks to whoever can answer some of my questions! Cheers and good day :laugh:
Don't even think about using safestrap, it might as well be a death trap if u brick ur device ur screwed. The best thing u could do is downgrade to 3.2.8 https://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/general/rollback-13-3-2-8-rollback-ota-captured-t3046204 unlock your bootloader https://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/general/thor-unlocking-bootloader-firmware-t3463982 (maybe get a tech savvy friend to help u with that one) it looks hard but it's actually very simple the way he explains it makes it more difficult than it really is. And if you want a stable rom with good user customization I'd get cm11. Also u don't really have to upgrade to 4.5.2 everything works great starting out from 3.2.8
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Don't even think about using safestrap, it might as well be a death trap if u brick ur device ur screwed. The best thing u could do is downgrade to 3.2.8 https://forum.xda-developers.com/ki...lback-13-3-2-8-rollback-ota-captured-t3046204 unlock your bootloader https://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/general/thor-unlocking-bootloader-firmware-t3463982 (maybe get a tech savvy friend to help u with that one) it looks hard but it's actually very simple the way he explains it makes it more difficult than it really is. And if you want a stable rom with good user customization I'd get cm11. Also u don't really have to upgrade to 4.5.2 everything works great starting out from 3.2.8
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Agreed. Be sure to stay off the network while on 3.2.8; if the device takes an OTA update it WILL brick with no possible recovey. Use TowelRoot to root; quick/reliable on FireOS v3. No need to update to 4.5.2; doing so adds risk/complexity with no corresponding benefit.
KingOroot PC edition (yes KingORoot not Kingroot) will root 4.5.5.2 in less than a minute, used it very recently having previously rooted 4.5.5.1 with Kingroot. In both case unlock the bootloader flashed twrp and put nexus ROM on without issue
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KingOroot PC edition (yes KingORoot not Kingroot) will root 4.5.5.2 in less than a minute, used it very recently having previously rooted 4.5.5.1 with Kingroot. In both case unlock the bootloader flashed twrp and put nexus ROM on without issue
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Yes, kingOroot was previously identified as a potential root solution for 4.5.5.2. Sometimes it works...other times not. Kinda like KingRoot on the 5th gen Fire. When it fails the leftovers can be onerous to deal with on unrooted device. If root is secured I recommend immediately unlocking the bootloader following by a comprehensive wipe before flashing a custom ROM. KingOroot does not enjoy a stellar reputation.