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Ok so i just heard the news, aparently the new iPad has a heading issue, when charging and playing games it can overheat to over 100 degrees!
Just thought i'd share the laugh, i sure did giggle at that one.
See? GPS issues dont seem so bad after all!
pileot said:
Ok so i just heard the news, aparently the new iPad has a heading issue, when charging and playing games it can overheat to over 100 degrees!
Just thought i'd share the laugh, i sure did giggle at that one.
See? GPS issues dont seem so bad after all!
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I think you got your units mixed up. The reports are that it's heating up to just over 100 F.
edit: I just noticed that you caught your error.
ya the original news report i heard had it mixed up, but still thats pretty hot, i wouldnt want to be holding that, or accidentally fall asleep when a game is running, might cause some damage
this is the beginnings of a huge issue down the road for new ipads. watch what i tell you. those devices won't last long St all constantly running at those high temps. people will get sick of their device shutting down on them and message popping up saying device needs to cool down. one thing about apple fans, they love to complain when there is an issue and they will let it be known. so expect this to continue to get major tech press coverage as time goes on. this could eventually become a fire hazard if its left on plugged in. device runs so hot and causes a fire or shortcircuit the wall adapter, which could cause a fire. everyday at those temps and new Ipad chips won't last longer than a few months before burning out or burning some other component up. some even reported half of the glass getting very hot to the touch. one reason could be because apple is pumping 2x the power into display to keep it running. it uses a very un-efficient way of back lighting the display. I saw it in a tech article where they broke down new Ipad display saying its good but far from perfect. Samsung has to jump through hoops to make that tricky display work.
Well, I exchanged my iPad 2 for the kids at local BB. Upgraded to iPad 3.
Few days of use and my little girl complained to me that the it actually burnt her. I guess she had it laying on her lap.
I didn't have a cover on it. I took the piece of crap back and demanded a refund. They have the old iPad 2 back now.
Apple fans need to cool off. *Badum tsh*
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I can life with suboptimal wifi reception as long as I dont burn my precious lap.
But yeah applefanboys feel the "heat of excitement" about their device... *bad one tsh*
Put some kippers on the barbie Sheila
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Seriously though, hope they sort it out, for the customers sake
I guess you might say that the new iPad is a...
(puts on sunglasses)
hot seller.
YEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!
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35°C ? Not much .. my prime is much hotter when I'm playing for 2hours withs super ips mode. Same this for sgs - 50°C or hotter. 35°C is not so much.
Wait a minute. A hundred degrees F? So a whole degree and a half higher than normal body temperature.
Is this a problem in devices the size of tablets? I'm new to tablets, but that's nothing compared with the old 939 CPU in my tower.
Erusman said:
Well, I exchanged my iPad 2 for the kids at local BB. Upgraded to iPad 3.
Few days of use and my little girl complained to me that the it actually burnt her. I guess she had it laying on her lap.
I didn't have a cover on it. I took the piece of crap back and demanded a refund. They have the old iPad 2 back now.
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seriorously? that is crazy. you should've sued apple for it and let all the news media know so it can get serious press on it...lol. time for apple to be exposed. things are heating up on this issue...lmao
Ya, it can be uncomfortable for some. My prime runs nice and cool reguardless what games im playing.
I gladly take a reduced screen resolution for increased performance, not to mention the increased heat is going to cause damage to the battery.
And there are some reviews where if you have it in direct sunlight and start something intense the increased heat from just being outside can cause it to shut down!
You might not think one or two degrees makes a difference but consider if you have a body temp of 100F you likely feel really sick. If your body temp hits 116 like these ipads are getting, you are likely dead.
Anyways, i hope you all had a good smile at this, too much negitivity towards the prime on this forum hopefully this lightened the mood a little
100 degree must mean Celsius as most cpu run between 50 to 80c. 100c would be out of control lol. If it is burning her lap its more than 100f. Although, if the case is running 100f without proper cooling the cpu would run MUCH MUCH higher.
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100 degree must mean Celsius as most cpu run between 50 to 80c. 100c would be out of control lol. If it is burning her lap its more than 100f. Although, if the case is running 100f without proper cooling the cpu would run MUCH MUCH higher.
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Ya, the CPU is likely much higher. The reports I have seen are saying the case itself is reaching 116 degrees F (specifically after running Infinity Blade for 45 minutes). Also, under normal usage the iPad 3 runs 10 degrees hotter than the iPad 2.
I can totally see this blowing up in apple's face (I can only hope). This may result in a recall depending on how it plays out. Because it's not just the heat thing, they are saying it is drawing so much juice while playing a game for example that the battery won't even charge when plugged in. And as others have mentioned, heat and electronics don't mix well.
I don't want to start Apple bashing, but the list of problems with the 'New' iPad put the TP problems into perspective.
There are reports that the battery won't charge:
http://gizmodo.com/5894988/people-are-having-trouble-charging-their-new-ipads?tag=apple
& there are WiFi problems:
http://gizmodo.com/5895145/does-the-new-ipad-have-wi+fi-reception-problems
It seems that many devices can have (widespread?) issues. Unfortunately, some people on these forums seem to be exaggerating the Primes problems and it becomes very difficult to properly evaluate the situation. The problems with the Prime have been magnified to a hysterical level, I wonder if the same will happen with the iPad...?
I hope the problem with the heat is a result of the GPU. That put all of these people to the rest who complain about Tegra 3's performance. It's easy to build a big chip with such a performance. But it's complicated to control the heat and power consumption.
Icook..best seling Ipad app
Now I just have to get an Ipad 3...cant wait for the first developer to make an app called Icook, can you imagine taking a morning break from playing games, then turning the Ipad over and frying some eggs and bacon on it for breakfast!! Android has lost son??!!!
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I don't want to start Apple bashing, but the list of problems with the 'New' iPad put the TP problems into perspective.
There are reports that the battery won't charge:
http://gizmodo.com/5894988/people-are-having-trouble-charging-their-new-ipads?tag=apple
& there are WiFi problems:
http://gizmodo.com/5895145/does-the-new-ipad-have-wi+fi-reception-problems
It seems that many devices can have (widespread?) issues. Unfortunately, some people on these forums seem to be exaggerating the Primes problems and it becomes very difficult to properly evaluate the situation. The problems with the Prime have been magnified to a hysterical level, I wonder if the same will happen with the iPad...?
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it will. Asus and prime was ever as popular as apple. so our issues were only major to us. it isn't like our issues get national t.v. press coverage. anything apple does is under a microscope. so when the mess up, they do it big. plus apple complainers are some of the loudest voices heard. this will soon enough generate t.v. coverage. I didn't even hear about the battery not charging up issue. SMH. so the reality behind new Ipad launch is really starting to show. apple will have it worse because they sell in such large numbers. meaning huge amounts of people likely to have this issue. I smell another lawsuit coming apples way. they deserve it since they always want to patent troll on smaller companies.
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I don't want to start Apple bashing, but the list of problems with the 'New' iPad put the TP problems into perspective.
There are reports that the battery won't charge:
http://gizmodo.com/5894988/people-are-having-trouble-charging-their-new-ipads?tag=apple
& there are WiFi problems:
http://gizmodo.com/5895145/does-the-new-ipad-have-wi+fi-reception-problems
It seems that many devices can have (widespread?) issues. Unfortunately, some people on these forums seem to be exaggerating the Primes problems and it becomes very difficult to properly evaluate the situation. The problems with the Prime have been magnified to a hysterical level, I wonder if the same will happen with the iPad...?
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I heard a spokesman for Asus say that there was less than 1% of Primes that had reported problems. That's not to say that only 1% actually HAVE problems (my GPS doesn't work well enough for navigation, but I don't care because I never intended to use it for that) but less than 1% of Prime customers are dissatisfied with their devices. That seems about right to me, given that almost all of the complaints that I see in these forums seem to be from 1-2 people who got bad Primes.
To put that into perspective, I read a quote from an Apple spokesperson who said that "87% of (new) iPad customers are reporting no problems." That means that 13% are reporting problems. That is ridiculous.
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Here is the link for the "87% perfect" bit: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1343130
And the "Less than 1% reported problems" article with Gary Key: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...ansformer-prime-in-perspective/#ixzz1n99nZyEM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y7tPczbOec&feature=youtu.be
Thoughts?
Don't be a fatty and sit on your phone i guess?
We all carry around an industrial press in our pants....don't we?? That was a couple minutes of my life I'll never get back.
Really.. ?
The fact it took less pressure to break completely than the iPhone 6 is a bit worrying....
Sorry, but I'm gonna take what a machine did to this phone with a grain of salt. I did see on another video where a guy tried to bend the S6 Edge with his hands, and just could not do it at all. I wouldn't worry about this phone bending in your pocket. I promise you, that if this machine took every phone you've owned, and put it to the test, most would bend just the same? Now I've never bent a phone in my whole life, have you?
wow...a phone bends in an industrial press...impressive. LOL All phones will break under a press like that. If it is made of metal it will bend and not go back as well. Bendgate was about the phone bending in peoples pocket from general use and overall pressure on the phone. My son actually had an iPhone 6 (not the plus) and it bent in his pocket. He was lucky that AT&T let him exchange it. This video just wasted a good phone for no reason.
The issue with the comparison with the IP6 "Bendgate" is wrong
What this demonstration misses, and what it makes people draw erroneous conclusions to, is that the iPhone 6 was easily bent by hand or in your pocket due to a particular weak spot around the volume buttons. This didn't require a machine to bend, it was performed by kids on Youtube. Drawing conclusions between how much pressure this machine took attempting to bend the phones from a point that was *not* the iPhone 6's original weak spot (in addition to Apply having quietly reinforced said weak spot since), causes people to believe that the S6 must, by way of not withstanding this machine's test, be as or more bendable than the iPhone 6 as it pertains to "bendgate", which is flat out wrong.
I think we can all agree, that we don't care how much pressure it takes to bend/break a phone, just so long as it is an unreasonable amount of pressure - phones being bent by kids and pant pockets are obviously below an acceptable threshold.
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The fact it took less pressure to break completely than the iPhone 6 is a bit worrying....
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Not really, both are at pressures that aren't really going to happen in your pocket. It's another benchmark test that is useless. Sit back and think about how many times your phone is going to experience a bending force like this. The only thing I can really think of, is if it is in your back pocket... but even then, why would you sit on your phone? It's uncomfortable, and you just spent a bunch of money on an electronic device you are going to sit on? You wouldn't sit on any of your other electronics.
The fact of the matter is, yes, maybe one phone can handle less stress than the other, but at 149 lbs vs 179 lbs, both are well above a normal bending force the phones will experience. It would be a worry if one of the phones failed at 20 lbs of force... But I doubt we will here about many stories of phones bending.
Also, what was stated earlier, it wasn't that the iphone wasn't strong enough, it was that it had a weak spot due to the design. So even though the galaxy s6 had a lower threshold, it most likely doesn't have a weak spot that significantly reduces the threshold to normal, everyday forces experienced by your phone.
At the launch event, Samsung went out of their way to point out that the s6 / s6e wouldn't bend easily..even cracking jokes about it. I'm also pretty sure they said their metal frame was 50% stronger than any competitor's, so something about this video doesn't sit right with me. Not that this worries me in any way, the whole thing is ridiculous.
I wouldn't worry about this, yet... When I hear of people bending phones in their pockets or easily walking into stores and bending display devices with their bare hands, then it will become an issue.
I've had the 6 plus since day 1 never had it bend. Not even warped a little. As long as your not a dumbass with your phone you should be good.
Honestly tho. Wait until unboxtherapy can do a bend test or someone like his test. Because a machine can obviously bend any phone. Proves next to nothing in real world usage terms.
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I've had the 6 plus since day 1 never had it bend. Not even warped a little. As long as your not a dumbass with your phone you should be good.
Honestly tho. Wait until unboxtherapy can do a bend test or someone like his test. Because a machine can obviously bend any phone. Proves next to nothing in real world usage terms.
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first of all., that video is of the s6 edge and the s6 edge has a thinner and smaller frame than the s6 so it is much easier to bend. second of all. the glass is curved and we all know what happens when you put force on a curved glass. it smashes easily compared to flat glass. Unless they do the s6, i would not trust that video. never the less, i am still getting the s6 edge because i like the design.
isn't it pathetic that Samsung always bashes apple like they did with iphone bendgate, then they slap their own face?
just like they mocked Apple for years about not having removable battery and SD card, and guess what? they slap their face again.
here's them being Hypocrites: https://twitter.com/SamsungMobile/status/515074944485449728/photo/1
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isn't it pathetic that Samsung always bashes apple like they did with iphone bendgate, then they slap their own face?
just like they mocked Apple for years about not having removable battery and SD card, and guess what? they slap their face again.
here's them being Hypocrites: https://twitter.com/SamsungMobile/status/515074944485449728/photo/1
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This is a moot point. No Samsung flagship to date has bent in a consumer's pocket or hands. Every device will bend/break at some point in a hydraulic press. I don't care for the negative advertising, but their point was accurate and still is with the S6 Edge.
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This is a moot point. No Samsung flagship to date has bent in a consumer's pocket or hands. Every device will bend/break at some point in a hydraulic press. I don't care for the negative advertising, but their point was accurate and still is with the S6 Edge.
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so would you have preferred if they used their hands instead? because i'm there will be a flood of them coming soon..
personally, i don't care if the phone bends, only an idiot would put their phone in their back pocket.
i'm only saying that Samsung is notorious for mocking Apple and with the Edge it looks like it will bend under the same pressure iphone did. point is, Samsung should learn keep their mouth shut and stop bashing apple, because they are starting to look just like them.
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so would you have preferred if they used their hands instead? because i'm there will be a flood of them coming soon..
personally, i don't care if the phone bends, only an idiot would put their phone in their back pocket.
i'm only saying that Samsung is notorious for mocking Apple and with the Edge it looks like it will bend under the same pressure iphone did. point is, Samsung should learn keep their mouth shut and stop bashing apple, because they are starting to look just like them.
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How's that comparable to iPhone 6+ story? The guy bent 3 ip6+ with his hands, unless someone does the same thing to the edge I call apple propaganda. You can tell by looking at which sites posted the video first
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How's that comparable to iPhone 6+ story? The guy bent 3 ip6+ with his hands, unless someone does the same thing to the edge I call apple propaganda. You can tell by looking at which sites posted the video first
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bgr is the worst. they act like an unbiased site until you see the articles they name and write. it is just pure bashing. they block my messages and disregard articles i sent to them because it does not "appeal" to apple.
tft said:
with the Edge it looks like it will bend under the same pressure iphone did.
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Only on the machine with fixed pressure points at both ends and the center of the device using bars to evenly distribute the load. But with the correct pressure points, the iPhone will bend under much less pressure. It has not yet been demonstrated that a Samsung flagship chassis will behave in the same way.
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bgr is the worst. they act like an unbiased site until you see the articles they name and write. it is just pure bashing. they block my messages and disregard articles i sent to them because it does not "appeal" to apple.
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I look through the titles of their articles... It is obvious that they hate Samsung.
Gonna admit I'm some what of a Samsung fanboy have only owned Samsung android phones except a nexus 7 tablet as it's the only android phone I find appealing with the hardware and software features and more so I love the note phones because of the S-pen. Note 7 is such a great device and still one of the best android phones to date and obviously better than iphone 7 though any android phone is but it's a shame that it's reputation has been somewhat ruined by the exploding issue and I'm getting frustrated with the stupidity I see from people commenting on the matter.
First of people say that Samsung should have done better quality testing instead of rushing to get the phone out before the competition yet the batteries were supplied by a 3rd party and surely therefore the 3rd party supplier should have safety checked the batteries and issued Samsung a certificate? If say BMW sells a car to a dealer and you buy the car from the dealer, have a crash but the air bags don't deploy are people going to blame the dealer for not safety checking the car? No, because BMW should have safety checked the car, issued a certificate proving it's been tested therefore there is no reason for the dealer to further safety check the car same with Samsung has no reason to further safety check the batteries. Not to mention no one has said that with like apple and the bend gate thing no one has made a big deal about apple not quality checking it and while it's not a safety concern as such, if the battery gets bent too it can explode and therefore is somewhat of a safety concern and some iphones have exploded because of this.
Then there's the people who reckon this whole thing will help apple out. No it won't I for one still want the note 7 back when it gets sorted but If I was to ditch the note 7 I wouldn't go to apple I'll get another android phone. I know I'm having a hissy fit over peoples comments on various videos and articles but it is seriously annoying when people take things out of proportion and don't think logically about stuff. Sure it's stupid that this has happened but for one it's a small amount of devices affected and secondly I applaud Samsung for dealing with the situation as best as possible but they shouldn't take the wrap for it if it was a battery from a 3rd party supplier, if the charging brick was a problem (assuming Samsung makes there own charging bricks) then fair enough Samsung is at fault they should have done better quality checks.
Agree. The supplier whether a component of Samsung direct or indirect should be responsible for qc but ultimately the damage is done to Samsung brand and they have outright responsibility to ensure samples are inspected.
I will wait for the note 7 to be exchanged as it's an awesome device.
I think people are being impatient. A recall of this size takes time to find the fault, find the supplier at fault, put steps in place to fix the issue, recall a shed load of devices from across the globe, make more more quickly than they have to date whilst ensuring quality isn't compromised by all their suppliers, whilst getting distribution and exchange processes in place. This is huge. People should not underestimate how big, complex and time consuming this will take.
My device was made 4 weeks before launch. Id expect at least that delay folks! If it comes sooner and Samsung manage to get a perfect replacement to me I will be impressed and grateful that Samsung didn't do an apple and blame it on the user!
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I too can't wait for the note 7 loved the 3 days I had with it lol shame this exploding this has somewhat ruined it's reputation just hope Samsung fix the issue and it'll be the last of exploding note 7's lol else if they continue to explode it will be an issue. And yep will take quite a while for replacements to be made just hope they figure out what supplier supplied the faulty batteries and that they're made to pay for the expenses not fair that Samsung should pay for it all especially if it's not really there fault nor should they take the blame they've done the best they can in sorting the problem and ensuring there customers are safe by recalling all note 7's and not taking any chances.
Well now... I'm also a Note user (Note 4) and Nexus 7 tablet... because so far there is nothing on the market to beat this combo... 2 years later....Note 7 is not available yet.
Now onto the subject.... people will buy iPhones even though they are outdated, poorly designed, expensive, unreliable and overall bad... because it's an image issue for most... they're being vain... they need to match their status (whatever that would be). If Apple sells tomorrow an iPhone with no phone function (because.. well... its 100 years old technology... right??) people will still buy... people are stupid and vain. Because majority of people are stupid it's easier to boast buy spending than to boast with tech knowledge... so it doesn't matter what Samsung will sell, it will be always outselled by Apple. Worse thing is Samsung will copy all idiotic future.. as they will see its a well know recipe (like unibody... taking away the possibility of removing battery... one of the worst ever move from Androdi phones manufacturers). People did make a fuss about antenagate, batterygate, bendgate, chipgate, touch disease, camera issue (lately)... there are thousands of security vulnerabilities on ios... people know... but who cares... they mostly buy iphone so they prefer to stick their heads into the ground... you dont expect them to admit they were stupid... and than people forget. Samsung will not be so lucky... I just hope this will not break the company for good... this is going to be bad. And the worse thing for us... ia that there is no real alternative for us. On a scale of 1 to 10...we have iphone on 2, tens of Android phones manufacturers on 6...and Samsung on 9 (users through rooting make it a 10). In one word.. we're f'd
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Totally agree with people being stupid it is just all a image with iphone users plus most celebs use iphones so must be good right? I would laugh if iphone 7 turns out to have a defect in it especially exploding batteries would love to see isheep defend it after saying stuff about note 7's yet people will still buy the iphone non the less and wonder if apple would deal with such a situation as Samsung has done. I have only owned Samsung android phones since switching from iphone 4s first I had S4 then note 4 and now note 7 though currently got S7 edge as a temporary replacement phone but I won't even go back to an S range galaxy phone because I love the S-pen it's not something I use all the time but the odd times you need to jot something down or just want to doodle because you're bored it's great to have at hand even better if you like taking notes a lot or if you have to take notes for work etc.
I too hope this doesn't hurt Samsung they make good phones as for the lack of removable battery this is another thing I get annoyed with, people for years complained about Samsung's plastic build quality and now they make good quality phones people don't like that the battery isn't removable. Isn't many ways that manufactures can implement a removable battery with premium materials as well as be IP68 water resistant but it's annoying for us who like the removable battery and I personally didn't mind the plastic build quality especially the note 4 as the frame is metal it still feels premium despite having a plastic back and also the people who wanted premium materials put plastic cases on there phones anyway so whats the point?
Iphone flopped.. alot... 7 will have a "gate" on its own... I'm sure on that... but people will still buy. Second, People didn't complain about poor quality of plastic... that's where most are wrong...you know complained... lets count them: all media (wtf.. they don't buy Samsung), all iphone sheeps (because it was a reason, on their sheepy brains, to laugh) and finally people not realizing what hight Samsung tech means and an awesome system Android is... those are people who owned both Samsung and Iphones... and today they still don't realize how many years ahead is Samsung. On the other hand, the vast majority of (true) Android owners (not necessarily Samsung... but mostly) they would rather have a removable battery in an instant with a plastic back.. than an all cra.py aluminum or glass that scratches or breaks or shatters. There may be still another category... hard core... but with the desire that their phone would look cooler so they wouldn't feel outshined by IPhone owners.... to them I'm saying this "Guys, you have the best tech on the world, your phone looks and is 10x better than iPhone... f.ck the plastic back.. we all put covers or something on it anyways.. nobody will see it"
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that's about the amount of phones that would suffer a catastrophic failure within 1 month of testing/use.
to get any reliable results they'd have to spend at least 1 month, testing 100.000 final version phones in real world conditions.
yes it would've been nice if they'd have found the issue before release, but the failure is such a rare occurrence that they simply couldn't have properly tested for it.
Samsung recalled 2.5 Million units. Currently, there has been a total of 35 units that have exploded. That means that you have a 99.99860000000001% chance of your handset exploding or catching fire while charging. As not all devices will be faulty. Of course, the more units that explode increase that percentage, however as it stands, thats not too shabby.
Op, the supplier at fault is Samsung SDI. However there have been rumors here in Korea that Samsung was sort of pushing Samsung SDI into a corner by demanding that the cost of batteries become cheaper, therefore corners had to be cut.
Again this is just rumors amongst the locals here.
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Then there's the people who reckon this whole thing will help apple out. No it won't I for one still want the note 7 back when it gets sorted but If I was to ditch the note 7 I wouldn't go to apple I'll get another android phone. I know I'm having a hissy fit over peoples comments on various videos and articles but it is seriously annoying when people take things out of proportion and don't think logically about stuff. Sure it's stupid that this has happened but for one it's a small amount of devices affected and secondly I applaud Samsung for dealing with the situation as best as possible but they shouldn't take the wrap for it if it was a battery from a 3rd party supplier, if the charging brick was a problem (assuming Samsung makes there own charging bricks) then fair enough Samsung is at fault they should have done better quality checks.
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It does help Apple unfortunately. Diehard android fans will not go over, but there are many more who can accept both systems and you can see a lot of them replacing their Note with iPhone 7 in various forums.
Worse are those who had jumped over from iPhone to Note 7 for the first time. It shattered their confidence for Android devices and will make them an even more loyal fan to Apple next time.
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Op, the supplier at fault is Samsung SDI. However there have been rumors here in Korea that Samsung was sort of pushing Samsung SDI into a corner by demanding that the cost of batteries become cheaper, therefore corners had to be cut.
Again this is just rumors amongst the locals here.
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Exactly. People worshipping the corporate name, the company, the brand.
I for one love my Note's, but because they're a quality device, but as for "I hope this doesn't hurt 'Samsung'", 'Apple sucks', dude! They're all multi-billion dollar corps, where at the top of the ladder they're all buddy buddy.
Just give me my phone, be a Samsung, Apple, or Huwai, I don't care for the name, I just want the device that is quality proven
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Samsung recalled 2.5 Million units. Currently, there has been a total of 35 units that have exploded. That means that you have a 99.99860000000001% chance of your handset exploding or catching fire while charging. As not all devices will be faulty. Of course, the more units that explode increase that percentage, however as it stands, thats not too shabby.
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I love samsung and all, but I'm not gonna take a chance with a device that has a 99.9986% probability of exploding. That's a good number for a grenade, pretty reliable number.
I think what you meant was - 99.99860000000001% chance of your handset NOT exploding or catching fire while charging...
Hold on. From what I understand online, Samsung had outsourced the battery manufacturing to a Chinese outfit called ATL. They've been making batteries for most of the Galaxy devices over the years.
It's only recently Samsung decided to manufacture batteries themselves. And the exploding battery cases all point to Samsung SDI batteries.
I'm not going to comment what happened behind the scenes. But it's extremely disappointing to see a Giant falls before it could make its mark.
The Note 7 was such a well made phone. Samsung did so many things right and it is the most exciting phone this year and for the first time ever, I actually pre-ordered a phone. I've never done that before.
Recalling the phone was necessary, and I'll do my part to exchange for a new unit. Samsung's priority now is really to replace all units. How they'll try to pick themselves up will have to come later.
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My concern now is this.
My Note 7 just got bricked from a boot loop issue. I brought it to Samsung and it's irrecoverable. They suggested I wait for the recall and exchange instead.
But I have my doubts whether the replaced Note 7 is brick free. This whole episode has been exhausting to say the least.
I hope that it does NOT come back in its current form. If the battery WAS made removable as suggested we would not have this conversation. This whole Apple vs Samsung vs LG vs HTC thing is a joke. We should just call the company "SHLApple". The companies work together and all the phones are looking more alike with the same none removable battery "so called" premium nonsense. If the phone had a removable battery we would have a chance. Toss the battery out and move onto the next one with phone in hand. It is time for the cellphone business to feel what the rest of the global economy has felt. I will not upgrade until all the companies awaken.
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now the thing is some still live in a cave , most consumer dont know about the recall , its come with fast charging , hmmm fast charge + heat + small batch of faulty battery + heavy usage = fire hazard
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I hope that it does NOT come back in its current form. If the battery WAS made removable as suggested we would not have this conversation. This whole Apple vs Samsung vs LG vs HTC thing is a joke. We should just call the company "SHLApple". The companies work together and all the phones are looking more alike with the same none removable battery "so called" premium nonsense. If the phone had a removable battery we would have a chance. Toss the battery out and move onto the next one with phone in hand. It is time for the cellphone business to feel what the rest of the global economy has felt. I will not upgrade until all the companies awaken.
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Sigh. You're so right. If only the battery was removable, Samsung will not need to recall the whole unit. Just exchange the batteries. And the damage would've been much less devastating. I could really do without features like wireless charging and water resistance in exchange for safer battery management.
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Aimara said:
now the thing is some still live in a cave , most consumer dont know about the recall , its come with fast charging , hmmm fast charge + heat + small batch of faulty battery + heavy usage = fire hazard
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How dare you mock our fellow cavemen? Don't you know they depend on our Note 7s to start a fire? It's an invaluable tool!
212meet561 said:
I hope that it does NOT come back in its current form. If the battery WAS made removable as suggested we would not have this conversation. This whole Apple vs Samsung vs LG vs HTC thing is a joke. We should just call the company "SHLApple". The companies work together and all the phones are looking more alike with the same none removable battery "so called" premium nonsense. If the phone had a removable battery we would have a chance. Toss the battery out and move onto the next one with phone in hand. It is time for the cellphone business to feel what the rest of the global economy has felt. I will not upgrade until all the companies awaken.
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Unfortunately, people buy Apple. Even more unfortunate is most of those are idiots. Apple, due to lack of tech and will, driven by profit, wanted a non removable battery (so you'd need to exchange phone yearly); now, them being idiots, customers of Apple gladly accepted this nonsense. Samsung wants to succeed and make a profit. It tried its own way and failed (number wise). So they look at Apple and said "how the f* do they sell those crap phones? Are their customers such idiots?" The simple answer is YES. They said OK, we must do the same to survive, maybe our customers are idiots as well, and if not...scre.w them...we need a profit, they will have no choice but to buy what we sell them...because Apple's recipe works. This is the sad truth....I'm hoping that a drama like this one with the Note 7 will give them a waking call and start to think...really think
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To be fair with the non-removable battery approach, some manufacturers have reasons for adopting a non-user-serviceable battery packs. One is to prevent users from using cheap 3rd party packs which could create an put users to an even more hazardous situation. When I say "cheap", I refer to those that are produced from low-quality materials, poor quality control or even reduced protection circuit. Here's something that may help us understand more about Lithium-based batteries and the issue that surrounds the Note 7 - http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/archive/lithium_ion_safety_concerns
My cent worth of opinion on this is that, media is so quick in jumping into the issue and allow unfounded, unverified reports to spread like wildfire. For so many "exploding" Note 7 incidents spreading around, not one came with forensic report. None that I know of should I say. At least, the case of that 6 year old boy had already been clarified (according to the interview video) and yet, I can still see other media reporting and claiming that the unit is a Note 7.
From my end, I have two Note 7 that keeps me curious everyday. One is defective (boot loop issue) and the other one perfectly working like one normal Note 7. Each day that I do testings on the defective and normal unit and having some experiences on how lithium batteries are produced, I can say that the "exploding" is more on media than on the unit itself. From that link I shared, if you control these three factors which can trigger fire or explosion:
heat
rapid/excessive charge
storage environment
Then you are left with the last factor which is battery workmanship or quality. This last factor is what Samsung wants to remove from the earlier batch of Note 7. Right now, I control the first three factors in both of my Note 7. No external heat source. Fast charging disabled with maximum charge alarm set to 90%. Both units sleep on the floor every night away from possible combustible material. Every now and then I check for any sign of visible bulging/gap from the back of the unit. Do note that the mechanical stack of Note 7 from the back is glass back cover, NFC/wireless charger coil, then battery pack.
Media will exaggerate this because is non Apple. Media cannot help herself but to be biased. When they write they'd rather appeal to the majority...that means Apple fans. It's sad but that's the reality. I just watched a video with LG V20...and I'm so mad I almost broke my Note 4. Lg has removable back...metal (well...aluminum...but still)...so metal removable back with same design as unibody crap. So it can be done...Samsung has no excuse now! If only LG would use AMOLED on their phones! For the love of God..why don't they use it? I would become instant customer.
I refused to be an iSheep because of limitations and lack of features marketed as innovation. Now Samsung is going same path (no swapable battery, no IR blaster, no multitasking )...the path of Apple. Samsung has come to sell IPhones with Samsung logo...I'm so disappointed ?
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Diaconescu_Tiberiu said:
Media will exaggerate this because is non Apple. Media cannot help herself but to be biased. When they write they'd rather appeal to the majority...that means Apple fans. It's sad but that's the reality.
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I’ve been in love with electronic gadgets for years. I had the first Palm Pilot and the HTC Blue Angel, a great windows mobile phone with a keyboard. Many of you are probably too young to be familiar with these devices. Each year, and sometimes twice a year, I would get so excited to see the new devices come out sporting new tech. I would buy two new phones a year, usually from Samsung as the new Galaxy S and Note models came out. I HAVE NEVER BEEN AS DISAPPOINTED WITH THE CELL PHONE MANUFACTURERS AS I AM TODAY. Let me explain why.
Apple is one of the most successful cell phone manufacturers. The I-Phone (the I stands for Idiot) has not been successful because of its great design or software; but because so many people were already hooked on the I-Pad and I-Tunes for their music and media. Another feature that has kept Apple high on the sales charts is I-Message. Though the Apple has good (not great) hardware, its software is for idiots (this is good because there are so many of them) and its feature set is very weak. My primary disgust with current phones is that all the Android manufactures are chasing Apple and removing features that made their cell phones great.
Let’s look at some of these features.
Removable Battery.
A phone is no good if the battery is dead. HTC and Samsung started out right with a replaceable battery. The idiot Apple loving pundits in this industry have reported gleefully that the removeable battery is gone forever. I hope not. No matter how fast a cell phone charges, there’s always times when you just don’t have time to charge. There are so many times when you realize your battery is almost dead and you need to be somewhere else NOW. I’m currently using the last of the great phones with a replaceable batter – the LG V20. I am an extremely heavy cell phone user. I have four batteries (one came with the phone) and three chargers. I keep a charged battery in my pocket and two in the chargers. I never have to plug in my phone. For each of my three sets of battery and charger I paid $22. So for $66, I never run out charge.
I laugh when I see others tell me – “Wait, I cannot go yet, my phone’s dead.” The most idiotic thing is Samsung making a phone that can share a charge with others. Who the heck is going to do that? What Samsung and other manufactures should do is sell a charger and battery set direct for $29 or less. They charge $29 for their wireless chargers and you end up needing two or three so you can have one at the office and a couple at home anyways.
One of the most important things about the removeable battery is the ability to extend the life of the phone. The life of batteries decreases after a short period. It’s ridiculous and costly to have to send in your phone to have the battery replaced.
Build Quality/Cellular Connectivity
On any given day, you can find a reviewer of a cellular device touting “build quality.” Are they just stupid or Apple lovers? Samsung’s build quality was berated by reviewers because they had cheap plastic frames and plastic backs on their phones. This cheap plastic was great. The plastic back allowed easy access to the battery, SIM card, and SD card. Furthermore, plastic frames have better cellular connectivity than aluminum frames do. They are also much cheaper to make and are lighter. Most use a phone case to protect their phones anyway.
So because the industry has chased Apple, we Android users have no replaceable battery, no easy access to SIM and SD cards, heavier phones, and a much higher cost – now over $1,000. My Samsung Note 9 is so heavy that I get fatigued just holding it up in bed. The Note 2 made years ago was a masterpiece in terms of manufacture and feel. It was light and had nice curved corners. It felt great in the hand.
Screen & Screen Dimensions.
Most cell phone manufactures have a great screen. However, somewhere along the way, Samsung decided that a curved screen was a good idea. It’s just a stupid and useless sales gimmick. A flat screen can be easily protected with a case the edges of which extend above the screen. Such a case not only protects the screen but allows one to grip the device without touching the screen.
My next screen grip is the narrow screen. We cannot blame this trend on Apple. As I’ve aged, I need to use reading glasses. When the screens were wider (3 inches and above), I could read almost everything without my reading glasses. With my Note 9, I must use my glasses all the time. I have a LG Stylo 3 too. It has a wide screen that is easy for me to read. Also viewing videos on the wider screen is much better for everyone.
I get it that some people have small hands and need a slimmer phone. But there’s lots of people out there with big hands. You’d think that with all the Android phone models designed each year, someone could make a phone for us men. LG, you’ve got a ThinQ line. How about a FatQ line?
Camera.
Most of the cameras on today’s higher end phones are great and they need to be. I’d like to see more optical magnification.
3.5mm Jack.
Samsung, don’t you get it? People want the 3.5mm jack. Yes, they all have Bluetooth headsets. But sometimes you forget to charge them or need to use a wired headset for other purposes. I bought the Note 9 but will NOT be buying the Note 10 primarily due to the lack of a headphone jack.
IR Blaster/FM Radio.
These are two features I really miss on phones. I love not having to search for my TV’s remote control. This was a great feature now missing on almost all phones. I guess if Apple doesn’t have it, then no one needs it.
The FM radio may seem outdated to some. However, us older guys listen to talk radio and a bunch of other stuff that makes us smarter not dumber like the music you listen to on Spotify, etc. Furthermore, FM radio doesn’t suck the life out of the battery like I-Heart radio. What’s really nice about the FM radio is that you can get reception even where you don’t have cell service. This could be important in an emergency where cell service is down. I use the FM radio at our cabin where the cell signal is weak.
FM radio is available on almost all chips my by Qualcomm and Samsung. Yet, many manufacturers, including Google, make their phones so the FM radio is not functional. Shame on them.
Conclusion.
Android phone manufacturers are giving us phones that have less features, are less useful, are heavier and cost more. What’s the advantage of buying a new phone? Is it any wonder that the sales of flagship cell phones are decreasing? Quit chasing Apple and start adding back in real features that add value.
NeutronBomb said:
Nobody gives a **** that you miss the removable battery or that you don't like the phone. Save it for your diary.
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I give a **** that he misses the removable battery!
Neo3D said:
I give a **** that he misses the removable battery!
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As do I. It should never of been removed as an option.
Form over function. Design over usability.
These are the priorities that Apple promoted and all other manufacturers followed, sadly.
Bollocks!
"a phone is no good if the battery is dead" = A car is no good if its gastank is empty. Do you carry additional gastanks with you to extend the mileage, or do you have the discipline to stop for gas when it is needed?
You are complaining about the lack of removable battery because you like to extend the phone's life by buying additional batteries. But you are buying two new phones every year? In my opinion that doesn't make any sense unless you're collecting them for a personal museum-like use.
If I could use to choose between removable battery or waterproof housing back in the days (let's say around the Note 2 era) I would have chosen waterproof housing. These days I cannot imagine why someone is not been able to charge there phones on a regular (daily) basis. So carrying extra batteries all day sounds stupid to me, and is the main reason powerbanks exist.
- 3,5mm jack?...Old technology....forget about it en move on.
- Rounded glass, metal frame not good? Millions of devices are bought by customers who are drooling about their shiny metal and rounded devices. Why in the hell would a manufacturer not jump in that gap and keep using ugly plastic screens and bodies? People are willing to pay the high prices for it...it is just a simple matter of demand.
- IR blaster? Seriously? In an era where we could controle devices with wifi/BT, even with voice commands etc.
- FM radio? There are dozens of apps out there where you could listen to thousands (if not more) radiostations, in the most cases in digital quality.
Your post, I mean rant, is nothing but a whining post about features that have had their time. Technology is moving on, I suggest you do too. Maybe you get a revelation and see that (not all ) I-Phone users aren't idiots. Those who keeps complaining about "it was way better back then" are...
jabberwock said:
Bollocks!
"a phone is no good if the battery is dead" = A car is no good if its gastank is empty. Do you carry additional gastanks with you to extend the mileage, or do you have the discipline to stop for gas when it is needed?
You are complaining about the lack of removable battery because you like to extend the phone's life by buying additional batteries. But you are buying two new phones every year? In my opinion that doesn't make any sense unless you're collecting them for a personal museum-like use.
If I could use to choose between removable battery or waterproof housing back in the days (let's say around the Note 2 era) I would have chosen waterproof housing. These days I cannot imagine why someone is not been able to charge there phones on a regular (daily) basis. So carrying extra batteries all day sounds stupid to me, and is the main reason powerbanks exist.
- 3,5mm jack?...Old technology....forget about it en move on.
- Rounded glass, metal frame not good? Millions of devices are bought by customers who are drooling about their shiny metal and rounded devices. Why in the hell would a manufacturer not jump in that gap and keep using ugly plastic screens and bodies? People are willing to pay the high prices for it...it is just a simple matter of demand.
- IR blaster? Seriously? In an era where we could controle devices with wifi/BT, even with voice commands etc.
- FM radio? There are dozens of apps out there where you could listen to thousands (if not more) radiostations, in the most cases in digital quality.
Your post, I mean rant, is nothing but a whining post about features that have had their time. Technology is moving on, I suggest you do too. Maybe you get a revelation and see that (not all ) I-Phone users aren't idiots. Those who keeps complaining about "it was way better back then" are...
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OMG! Chill, guys. He was only expressing an opinion, not attacking your mother.
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OMG! Chill, guys. He was only expressing an opinion, not attacking your mother.
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Agreed! One thing I really don't understand...why manufacturer's follow apple? Unless apple pays other manufacturers To me it is the same thing if someone jumps from the bridge, then I would be doing it as well. Why not to do the opposite...Apple removed headphone jack, we(android people) keep it. When manufacturers follow apple, it shows users that apple is smart and go ahead buy their products. There are so many manufacturers around the worlds and once a notch on the phone became a thing, many started to copy. Small camera cutout is fine, but not the big notch!
rambo6 said:
Though the Apple has good (not great) hardware, its software is for idiots (this is good because there are so many of them) and its feature set is very weak.
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Apple actually has great hardware. Their SOC is something that Qualcomm just can't match. As for their software, it's not "for idiots". It's for average users that only care about the standard smartphone experience. It's not for enthusiasts. Calling every IPhone user an idiot just shows how dumb YOU are.
rambo6 said:
Removable Battery.
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Get a powerbank. They're cheap enough and occupy basically the same space a spare battery would.
rambo6 said:
Most cell phone manufactures have a great screen. However, somewhere along the way, Samsung decided that a curved screen was a good idea. It’s just a stupid and useless sales gimmick. A flat screen can be easily protected with a case the edges of which extend above the screen. Such a case not only protects the screen but allows one to grip the device without touching the screen.
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There are still plenty of phones with flat screens. I personally like the curve. It's a subjective matter. Just buy a different phone that suits your taste.
rambo6 said:
Most of the cameras on today’s higher end phones are great and they need to be. I’d like to see more optical magnification.
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Sure thing. Would you like a giant, thick, ugly as all hell sensor to go with that?
rambo6 said:
IR Blaster/FM Radio.
These are two features I really miss on phones. I love not having to search for my TV’s remote control. This was a great feature now missing on almost all phones. I guess if Apple doesn’t have it, then no one needs it.
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Apple never had it in the first place (at least the IR blaster) so your reasoning why it was removed is pretty silly. You can buy a universal remote for 3$. As for FM radio, again, a ton of devices still have it. Just buy something that suits you.
Good grief.
Guys, calm down, man expresses his opinion here, it's not illegal
What worries me about Samsung, Samsung should work on a larger battery.
Flagships have smaller batteries, and are mid-priced have larger batteries, the battery on the N10 needed to be bigger (e.g. 4000mAh).
IMO IR-blaster is worthless on a touch device. I want physical buttons I can find and press without having to look at the remote, so good riddance to this feature.
"Cell phone"...that's a word I haven't heard in a while
LMFAO. The list of grievances here is just stupid. I don't give two ****s about removable battery, the goddamn 3.5mm jack is DEAD so get over it, and the rest are really not a problem. You act like features have ONLY been removed all while features like improved cameras, fingerprint reader on-screen, active wake word support for voice assistants, incredible screen improvements, better battery life, and inking support have all been added. You'll clearly never be happy with technology so just stop using it.
I returned my note 10 plus and got a huawei mate 20 x. It's a beast no pen. Better in other regards. 1080p is good enough for me on a phone. Older 4g version.
rambo6 said:
I’ve been in love with electronic gadgets for years. I had the first Palm Pilot and the HTC Blue Angel, a great windows mobile phone with a keyboard. Many of you are probably too young to be familiar with these devices. Each year, and sometimes twice a year, I would get so excited to see the new devices come out sporting new tech. I would buy two new phones a year, usually from Samsung as the new Galaxy S and Note models came out. I HAVE NEVER BEEN AS DISAPPOINTED WITH THE CELL PHONE MANUFACTURERS AS I AM TODAY. Let me explain why.
Apple is one of the most successful cell phone manufacturers. The I-Phone (the I stands for Idiot) has not been successful because of its great design or software; but because so many people were already hooked on the I-Pad and I-Tunes for their music and media. Another feature that has kept Apple high on the sales charts is I-Message. Though the Apple has good (not great) hardware, its software is for idiots (this is good because there are so many of them) and its feature set is very weak. My primary disgust with current phones is that all the Android manufactures are chasing Apple and removing features that made their cell phones great.
Let’s look at some of these features.
Removable Battery.
A phone is no good if the battery is dead. HTC and Samsung started out right with a replaceable battery. The idiot Apple loving pundits in this industry have reported gleefully that the removeable battery is gone forever. I hope not. No matter how fast a cell phone charges, there’s always times when you just don’t have time to charge. There are so many times when you realize your battery is almost dead and you need to be somewhere else NOW. I’m currently using the last of the great phones with a replaceable batter – the LG V20. I am an extremely heavy cell phone user. I have four batteries (one came with the phone) and three chargers. I keep a charged battery in my pocket and two in the chargers. I never have to plug in my phone. For each of my three sets of battery and charger I paid $22. So for $66, I never run out charge.
I laugh when I see others tell me – “Wait, I cannot go yet, my phone’s dead.” The most idiotic thing is Samsung making a phone that can share a charge with others. Who the heck is going to do that? What Samsung and other manufactures should do is sell a charger and battery set direct for $29 or less. They charge $29 for their wireless chargers and you end up needing two or three so you can have one at the office and a couple at home anyways.
One of the most important things about the removeable battery is the ability to extend the life of the phone. The life of batteries decreases after a short period. It’s ridiculous and costly to have to send in your phone to have the battery replaced.
Build Quality/Cellular Connectivity
On any given day, you can find a reviewer of a cellular device touting “build quality.” Are they just stupid or Apple lovers? Samsung’s build quality was berated by reviewers because they had cheap plastic frames and plastic backs on their phones. This cheap plastic was great. The plastic back allowed easy access to the battery, SIM card, and SD card. Furthermore, plastic frames have better cellular connectivity than aluminum frames do. They are also much cheaper to make and are lighter. Most use a phone case to protect their phones anyway.
So because the industry has chased Apple, we Android users have no replaceable battery, no easy access to SIM and SD cards, heavier phones, and a much higher cost – now over $1,000. My Samsung Note 9 is so heavy that I get fatigued just holding it up in bed. The Note 2 made years ago was a masterpiece in terms of manufacture and feel. It was light and had nice curved corners. It felt great in the hand.
Screen & Screen Dimensions.
Most cell phone manufactures have a great screen. However, somewhere along the way, Samsung decided that a curved screen was a good idea. It’s just a stupid and useless sales gimmick. A flat screen can be easily protected with a case the edges of which extend above the screen. Such a case not only protects the screen but allows one to grip the device without touching the screen.
My next screen grip is the narrow screen. We cannot blame this trend on Apple. As I’ve aged, I need to use reading glasses. When the screens were wider (3 inches and above), I could read almost everything without my reading glasses. With my Note 9, I must use my glasses all the time. I have a LG Stylo 3 too. It has a wide screen that is easy for me to read. Also viewing videos on the wider screen is much better for everyone.
I get it that some people have small hands and need a slimmer phone. But there’s lots of people out there with big hands. You’d think that with all the Android phone models designed each year, someone could make a phone for us men. LG, you’ve got a ThinQ line. How about a FatQ line?
Camera.
Most of the cameras on today’s higher end phones are great and they need to be. I’d like to see more optical magnification.
3.5mm Jack.
Samsung, don’t you get it? People want the 3.5mm jack. Yes, they all have Bluetooth headsets. But sometimes you forget to charge them or need to use a wired headset for other purposes. I bought the Note 9 but will NOT be buying the Note 10 primarily due to the lack of a headphone jack.
IR Blaster/FM Radio.
These are two features I really miss on phones. I love not having to search for my TV’s remote control. This was a great feature now missing on almost all phones. I guess if Apple doesn’t have it, then no one needs it.
The FM radio may seem outdated to some. However, us older guys listen to talk radio and a bunch of other stuff that makes us smarter not dumber like the music you listen to on Spotify, etc. Furthermore, FM radio doesn’t suck the life out of the battery like I-Heart radio. What’s really nice about the FM radio is that you can get reception even where you don’t have cell service. This could be important in an emergency where cell service is down. I use the FM radio at our cabin where the cell signal is weak.
FM radio is available on almost all chips my by Qualcomm and Samsung. Yet, many manufacturers, including Google, make their phones so the FM radio is not functional. Shame on them.
Conclusion.
Android phone manufacturers are giving us phones that have less features, are less useful, are heavier and cost more. What’s the advantage of buying a new phone? Is it any wonder that the sales of flagship cell phones are decreasing? Quit chasing Apple and start adding back in real features that add value.
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rambo6 said:
I’ve been in love with electronic gadgets for years. I had the first Palm Pilot and the HTC Blue Angel, a great windows mobile phone with a keyboard. Many of you are probably too young to be familiar with these devices. Each year, and sometimes twice a year, I would get so excited to see the new devices come out sporting new tech. I would buy two new phones a year, usually from Samsung as the new Galaxy S and Note models came out. I HAVE NEVER BEEN AS DISAPPOINTED WITH THE CELL PHONE MANUFACTURERS AS I AM TODAY. Let me explain why.
Apple is one of the most successful cell phone manufacturers. The I-Phone (the I stands for Idiot) has not been successful because of its great design or software; but because so many people were already hooked on the I-Pad and I-Tunes for their music and media. Another feature that has kept Apple high on the sales charts is I-Message. Though the Apple has good (not great) hardware, its software is for idiots (this is good because there are so many of them) and its feature set is very weak. My primary disgust with current phones is that all the Android manufactures are chasing Apple and removing features that made their cell phones great.
Let’s look at some of these features.
Removable Battery.
A phone is no good if the battery is dead. HTC and Samsung started out right with a replaceable battery. The idiot Apple loving pundits in this industry have reported gleefully that the removeable battery is gone forever. I hope not. No matter how fast a cell phone charges, there’s always times when you just don’t have time to charge. There are so many times when you realize your battery is almost dead and you need to be somewhere else NOW. I’m currently using the last of the great phones with a replaceable batter – the LG V20. I am an extremely heavy cell phone user. I have four batteries (one came with the phone) and three chargers. I keep a charged battery in my pocket and two in the chargers. I never have to plug in my phone. For each of my three sets of battery and charger I paid $22. So for $66, I never run out charge.
I laugh when I see others tell me – “Wait, I cannot go yet, my phone’s dead.” The most idiotic thing is Samsung making a phone that can share a charge with others. Who the heck is going to do that? What Samsung and other manufactures should do is sell a charger and battery set direct for $29 or less. They charge $29 for their wireless chargers and you end up needing two or three so you can have one at the office and a couple at home anyways.
One of the most important things about the removeable battery is the ability to extend the life of the phone. The life of batteries decreases after a short period. It’s ridiculous and costly to have to send in your phone to have the battery replaced.
Build Quality/Cellular Connectivity
On any given day, you can find a reviewer of a cellular device touting “build quality.” Are they just stupid or Apple lovers? Samsung’s build quality was berated by reviewers because they had cheap plastic frames and plastic backs on their phones. This cheap plastic was great. The plastic back allowed easy access to the battery, SIM card, and SD card. Furthermore, plastic frames have better cellular connectivity than aluminum frames do. They are also much cheaper to make and are lighter. Most use a phone case to protect their phones anyway.
So because the industry has chased Apple, we Android users have no replaceable battery, no easy access to SIM and SD cards, heavier phones, and a much higher cost – now over $1,000. My Samsung Note 9 is so heavy that I get fatigued just holding it up in bed. The Note 2 made years ago was a masterpiece in terms of manufacture and feel. It was light and had nice curved corners. It felt great in the hand.
Screen & Screen Dimensions.
Most cell phone manufactures have a great screen. However, somewhere along the way, Samsung decided that a curved screen was a good idea. It’s just a stupid and useless sales gimmick. A flat screen can be easily protected with a case the edges of which extend above the screen. Such a case not only protects the screen but allows one to grip the device without touching the screen.
My next screen grip is the narrow screen. We cannot blame this trend on Apple. As I’ve aged, I need to use reading glasses. When the screens were wider (3 inches and above), I could read almost everything without my reading glasses. With my Note 9, I must use my glasses all the time. I have a LG Stylo 3 too. It has a wide screen that is easy for me to read. Also viewing videos on the wider screen is much better for everyone.
I get it that some people have small hands and need a slimmer phone. But there’s lots of people out there with big hands. You’d think that with all the Android phone models designed each year, someone could make a phone for us men. LG, you’ve got a ThinQ line. How about a FatQ line?
Camera.
Most of the cameras on today’s higher end phones are great and they need to be. I’d like to see more optical magnification.
3.5mm Jack.
Samsung, don’t you get it? People want the 3.5mm jack. Yes, they all have Bluetooth headsets. But sometimes you forget to charge them or need to use a wired headset for other purposes. I bought the Note 9 but will NOT be buying the Note 10 primarily due to the lack of a headphone jack.
IR Blaster/FM Radio.
These are two features I really miss on phones. I love not having to search for my TV’s remote control. This was a great feature now missing on almost all phones. I guess if Apple doesn’t have it, then no one needs it.
The FM radio may seem outdated to some. However, us older guys listen to talk radio and a bunch of other stuff that makes us smarter not dumber like the music you listen to on Spotify, etc. Furthermore, FM radio doesn’t suck the life out of the battery like I-Heart radio. What’s really nice about the FM radio is that you can get reception even where you don’t have cell service. This could be important in an emergency where cell service is down. I use the FM radio at our cabin where the cell signal is weak.
FM radio is available on almost all chips my by Qualcomm and Samsung. Yet, many manufacturers, including Google, make their phones so the FM radio is not functional. Shame on them.
Conclusion.
Android phone manufacturers are giving us phones that have less features, are less useful, are heavier and cost more. What’s the advantage of buying a new phone? Is it any wonder that the sales of flagship cell phones are decreasing? Quit chasing Apple and start adding back in real features that add value.
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A mid spec device will have more of the features you want than the current flagship devices, which are advancing in areas that you don't understand.
How I miss the removable batteries, sd card support, 3.5mm jacks. I hate my iPhone (and newer Android's) but love it too
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A mid spec device will have more of the features you want than the current flagship devices, which are advancing in areas that you don't understand.
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I do realize that there's more and more tech added to the new flagships, but is it really that useful? Take for instance the new bluetooth stylus or the in screen fingerprint scanner. I do use the stylus of my Note 9 as a remote for the camera, but it's really not as useful as the removable battery or head phone jack. The same goes for the in screen fingerprint scanner. It's cool, but is it necessary. Part of my job is to design products with useful features. The gimmicks the phone designers may be cool and high tech. I hope they keep it up, but they need to develop some high end phones with REALLY USEFUL features. The mid-range phones don't cut it in speed though some come close.
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I give a **** that he misses the removable battery!
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You must work for Samsung or one of the other phone manufacturers.
rambo6 said:
You must work for Samsung or one of the other phone manufacturers.
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That statement has 0 logic
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That statement has 0 logic
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You want logic, try this: The reason the new cell phone sales are tanking is because they are too high priced for the features offered.
rambo6 said:
You want logic, try this: The reason the new cell phone sales are tanking is because they are too high priced for the features offered.
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This statement is a straw man's fallacy
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LMFAO. The list of grievances here is just stupid. I don't give two ****s about removable battery, the goddamn 3.5mm jack is DEAD so get over it, and the rest are really not a problem. You act like features have ONLY been removed all while features like improved cameras, fingerprint reader on-screen, active wake word support for voice assistants, incredible screen improvements, better battery life, and inking support have all been added. You'll clearly never be happy with technology so just stop using it.
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I do give 10 ****s about not having a removable battery.
This phone has a fast SOC, 12GB RAM, 256GB storage, and 256GB micro SD... You think it will be outdated in 2 years? Of course not and Samsung f?kcing knows that!!!
That is exactly why they sealed in the battery, so when the battery is shot to hell in 2 years, then you'll be forced to upgrade.
As SOCs get even more powerful every year and phones get more and more RAM and storage, this PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE STRATEGY becomes more and more true.
Customers never had to replace their laptops every 2 years. Yet, Samsung and Apple are getting away with forcing people to do this with their $1000-$1500 phones which ironically cost as much as a laptop!
I saw that earlier this morning .. I thought it was funny. I also like that they are starting to promote the Fold. That's usually a good sign.
It's interesting that they haven't been pushing it much at all; I was expecting more for their inaugural outing.
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It's interesting that they haven't been pushing it much at all; I was expecting more for their inaugural outing.
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Rather weak. So you can flip it open... is that all you got? Your target market is the woke happy-happy, joy-joy California zombies? wtf?
Like all folds it's biggest claim to fame is also it's greatest liability. From normal physical wear to firmware/software that doesn't properly integrate with the large odd shaped display. Google doesn't even attempt to allay these real concerns.
I would wait 6 months to see how it pans out before buying. Then see what the users not the reviewers are saying.
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It's interesting that they haven't been pushing it much at all; I was expecting more for their inaugural outing.
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My guess is that they were waiting till closer to the actual physical release to push it. They probably wanted to see what the pre-order sales from I/O and word-of-mouth would get them before they start pushing it
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Rather weak. So you can flip it open... is that all you got? Your target market is the woke happy-happy, joy-joy California zombies? wtf?
Like all folds it's biggest claim to fame is also it's greatest liability. From normal physical wear to firmware/software that doesn't properly integrate with the large odd shaped display. Google doesn't even attempt to allay these real concerns.
I would wait 6 months to see how it pans out before buying. Then see what the users not the reviewers are saying.
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Google worked closely with Samsung on android 12L (for larger screens) and then started to incorporate it in to android 13 and now 14. I think although it won't be as polished as oneui5 it will have most of the software as the z fold(apart from Samsung exclusive). With Google now working with developers hopefully more 3rd party apps will work better on a big screen. Still can't believe Instagram won't scale properly on a folding screen
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Google worked closely with Samsung on android 12L (for larger screens) and then started to incorporate it in to android 13 and now 14. I think although it won't be as polished as oneui5 it will have most of the software as the z fold(apart from Samsung exclusive). With Google now working with developers hopefully more 3rd party apps will work better on a big screen. Still can't believe Instagram won't scale properly on a folding screen
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Both Google and Samsung since the release of the folds have failed to deliver firmware/software innovations for that format. This lackluster behavior continues. Samsung is a mess right now, the result of 4 plus years of poor leadership.
I don't think Google's doing any better; they've made a mess of Android in my opinion. Both got more than they bargained for with the fold project. It's been a heavy, constant money and resource drain from its inception. No end in sight just promises as their beta product slowly evolves
The whole "it folds" is the same old story, again.
No expandable storage, sky high price points and you know right where it folds is where the trouble will start, sooner rather then latter. They can warranty it but you still lose time screwing with the claim, not having it, then reloading the bloody thing. Repair downtime is not why you buy an expensive flagship phone.
This N10+ has had in its over 8k hours of operation; with one replacement battery done in 1 day, it's only repair (routine maintenance as Li's don't last forever) in almost 4 years. It's last reload was over 3 years ago, no firmware upgrades or updates in all that time.
Minimal maintenance and no malware. Personally I'm sick of Google's constantly changing platform. I don't want to be constantly chasing down gremlins and optimizing new firmware on a stock device.
I've seen a lot of hyperbole in the last 3 years from both Google and Samsung. Sorry fact is they both haven't improved SOT; just slammed bigger, heavier batteries in. 4 year old hardware/firmware shouldn't get better SOT (with a smaller capacity battery) and be nearly as fast in actual usage as a new flagship. Google's insistence on cloud storage vs expandable has became a wretched handicap that reduces reliability, redundancy and eats power needlessly.
Scoped storage is another mess they added.
So yeah, another fold offering. Same old cake with different icing on it with a few new enticing trinkets sprinkled on top. Where it folds will remain it's Achilles heel and continue to cause user issues.
TLDR: This will be my 4th folder, love em. I'd suggest they aren't for you, which is fine; takes all kinds.
As for longevity, I've broken a whole lot of rectangles. I've also had many with firmware issues.
My fold 1 was sketchy, no question about it. The 2 however is still going strong and is currently in the hands of one of my grandkids at almost 3 years old. I wanted a better form factor and switched to the X Fold which is also still going strong at 1 year and change. All of them were dropped, slept on, etc. No kid gloves.
I like the folding form factor. It makes it much easier to format emails and that sort of thing. Enough so that I no longer carry a laptop or tablet with me. It also works well with desktop sites which is my preferred browsing mode. They're great for consuming media. I imagine gaming is problably better but i don't game on the phone so I can't comment on it.
Bottom line with all that is that It isn't just a gimmick. You don't fold it open a few times, the novelty wears off, and you use the front screen after that. It literally makes my portable phone usage better every day, all day. That's what you're missing. The fold out into tablet mode is the game altering paradigm. It needs to do that and nothing more and you already have a win. Software better utilizing it is just the gravy that makes it all taste better.
In many respects you're not wrong though, this phone is one I'd recommend to few people. Right off the bat you need to be an enthusiast or have plenty of discretionary income to swallow the buy-in. It's also early days and better products are coming. Possibly not even a folder, it could be rollables rule the roost in the future. Whatever it is I'll be there because I'm both: I love my gadgets and I'm old and have all the coffee tables a man needs in one life.
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My fold 1 was sketchy, no question about it. The 2 however is still going strong and is currently in the hands of one of my grandkids at almost 3 years old. I wanted a better form factor and switched to the X Fold which is also still going strong at 1 year and change. All of them were dropped, slept on, etc. No kid gloves.
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Was that a test of durability to see exactly how long the Fold 2 will last under the supervision of an 'almost 3 year old'?
At, not an, the subject is the phone, not the granddaughter. Lol. That one came out in the later summer and will be hitting its 3 year mark soon. That granddaughter came out 9 years ago, so past the (more) destructive ages.
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TLDR: This will be my 4th folder, love em. I'd suggest they aren't for you, which is fine; takes all kinds.
As for longevity, I've broken a whole lot of rectangles. I've also had many with firmware issues.
My fold 1 was sketchy, no question about it. The 2 however is still going strong and is currently in the hands of one of my grandkids at almost 3 years old. I wanted a better form factor and switched to the X Fold which is also still going strong at 1 year and change. All of them were dropped, slept on, etc. No kid gloves.
I like the folding form factor. It makes it much easier to format emails and that sort of thing. Enough so that I no longer carry a laptop or tablet with me. It also works well with desktop sites which is my preferred browsing mode. They're great for consuming media. I imagine gaming is problably better but i don't game on the phone so I can't comment on it.
Bottom line with all that is that It isn't just a gimmick. You don't fold it open a few times, the novelty wears off, and you use the front screen after that. It literally makes my portable phone usage better every day, all day. That's what you're missing. The fold out into tablet mode is the game altering paradigm. It needs to do that and nothing more and you already have a win. Software better utilizing it is just the gravy that makes it all taste better.
In many respects you're not wrong though, this phone is one I'd recommend to few people. Right off the bat you need to be an enthusiast or have plenty of discretionary income to swallow the buy-in. It's also early days and better products are coming. Possibly not even a folder, it could be rollables rule the roost in the future. Whatever it is I'll be there because I'm both: I love my gadgets and I'm old and have all the coffee tables a man needs in one life.
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Apart from both Google and Samsung still not injecting true innovation and functionality that would make full use of the real estate in both firmware and software... there's one nagging little detail.
That being no known plastics or adhesive systems are up to being bent and repeatedly full cycled 0-180° flexed at that acute of an angle. Torsional loading only exacerbates the issue as invariably the display elements bear some of this. The display is not fully isolated like on a laptop.
Flexing both the display's active matrix and some of the pixels means a higher display failure rate over it's lifespan. The fact that there's multiple laminations introduces new stress and wear factors and more complex assembly processes.
A lot more things to go wrong especially if QC is not exceptional.
The design is inherently flawed because on this.
Cool. Sounds like it's not a buy for you; nothing wrong with voting with your wallet.
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Cool. Sounds like it's not a buy for you; nothing wrong with voting with your wallet.
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I refuse to part with having a dual drive device with up to 1.5tb of storage* and a integrated spen. Not getting anything that gets worse SOT per mAh. I want less downtime and more play time.
*if used right it adds redundancy and flexibility. Every device I own is dual drive. Invariably any that were not caused issues.
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Apart from both Google and Samsung still not injecting true innovation and functionality that would make full use of the real estate in both firmware and software... there's one nagging little detail.
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Even though Google has been the leader in the field of artificial intelligence. Its AI research has led to the development of many new and groundbreaking technologies, such as self-driving cars, machine translation, and image recognition. Google's AI research is helping to shape the future of technology, but it's too bad that they haven't been able to apply that same type of energy towards the OS.
I suppose that Project Butter, Material Design and Project Treble just doesn't seem to compensate for the lusterless of said device.
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Even though Google has been the leader in the field of artificial intelligence. Its AI research has led to the development of many new and groundbreaking technologies, such as self-driving cars, machine translation, and image recognition. Google's AI research is helping to shape the future of technology, but it's too bad that they haven't been able to apply that same type of energy towards the OS.
I suppose that Project Butter, Material Design and Project Treble just doesn't seem to compensate for the lusterless of said device.
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Well that's a cheap shot.
We're not talking about all their vast corporate endeavors, just what applies to this form factor.
So let me help bring it in focus instead of all over the place like the Titan crew...
Google is well known to abandon technologies, products... and leaving the end users boned. Remember that.
Here's a not so glowing review by a user that wanted to see the fold as a viable everyday phone. That didn't go so well.
Aspect ratio continues to be an issue after multiple generations of firmware. Do you buy square computer monitors? Extra display area doesn't mean usable display area. Can't fix that; it is a problem of the actual display dimensions.
Apps that display on one or both displays continue to not fully utilize the real estate available to them. How many developers are going to want to make special apps for this niche market when even Google and Samsung have trouble doing it?
It's been a bottomless money sinkhole for Samsung that's diverted huge amounts of revenue from their other flagship lines for years.
Current sales still don't justify it. I think it's no coincidence that the N10+ was their zenith point.
After that project Samsung became increasingly fragmented and the fold project exacerbated this exponentially. Consequences.
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Well that's a cheap shot.
We're not talking about all their vast corporate endeavors, just what applies to this form factor.
So let me help bring it in focus instead of all over the place like the Titan crew...
Google is well known to abandon technologies, products... and leaving the end users boned. Remember that.
Here's a not so glowing review by a user that wanted to see the fold as a viable everyday phone. That didn't go so well.
Aspect ratio continues to be an issue after multiple generations of firmware. Do you buy square computer monitors? Extra display area doesn't mean usable display area. Can't fix that; it is a problem of the actual display dimensions.
Apps that display on one or both displays continue to not fully utilize the real estate available to them. How many developers are going to want to make special apps for this niche market when even Google and Samsung have trouble doing it?
It's been a bottomless money sinkhole for Samsung that's diverted huge amounts of revenue from their other flagship lines for years.
Current sales still don't justify it. I think it's no coincidence that the N10+ was their zenith point.
After that project Samsung became increasingly fragmented and the fold project exacerbated this exponentially. Consequences.
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I suppose that at the end of the day, the foldable market will find a small group of admirers and/or enthusiasts who might find such devices feasible in the world of daily driving.
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I suppose that at the end of the day, the foldable market will find a small group of admirers and/or enthusiasts who might find such devices feasible in the world of daily driving.
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I don't have high expectations. Samsung blew the roll out years ago. Most of the same issues persist although they fixed the hinge. I expect a flagship to last, be usable for years and to stay in excellent condition if properly cared for. If so the only repair should be the Li every 1-3 years.
Because of it's square unfolded form factor some format issues can't be resolved.