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I know this is a common problem as I've seen it in other threads on other sites, but I haven't been able to find a cause/solution. My Evo 3D randomly reboots, frequently. It has happened with every firmware version since I got the phone, and with every rom/kernel I have installed. It doesn't seem to be an overheating issue. I've tried uninstalling a few apps to see if they might be the cause. Basically I'm ready to call it a hardware defect. Does anyone have any idea what causes this or how to fix it? I bought my phone unsubsidized online so it isn't easy to return, but I may have to try anyways. My 3D is useless as it is right now.
Return it.....
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I bought it from eBay so that's not an easy return. HTC wants me to pay to ship it to them and they want my credit card number, then if they decide it's not an issue covered by warranty then they will charge me both for looking at it and also to send it back. Basically they will hold my phone hostage if they decide they want money from me. I have filed a complaint against HTC with the Better Business Bureau over their warranty policy.
If on stock ROM, return it. Sometimes on custom roms it reboots like crazy for me when using browser.
It reboots on stock and custom roms.
Return it...
I've talked to three people at Sprint and they won't accept it as a return. They say I have to take it back to the store it was purchased at, and though I've talked to the person I bought it from, he's in another state, so Sprint says I'm SOL.
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I've talked to three people at Sprint and they won't accept it as a return. They say I have to take it back to the store it was purchased at, and though I've talked to the person I bought it from, he's in another state, so Sprint says I'm SOL.
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Try different Roms. My buddies had the same problem. Flashed supra and flashed silver needle kernel. Flashing a custom kernel can easily fix it. The stock kernel argues with the stock OS and the phone is tricked into thinking there is harm. Therefore reboots to try and save your phone from any damage. For sure switch the rom and kernel.
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I reboot alot also and its been on all my roms and stock but better now on synergy rom
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tnh196 said:
I reboot alot also and its been on all my roms and stock but better now on synergy rom
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Most reboots are due to using unstable software or user error, if these aren't in question then your phone is a bad apple
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Have a look at the battery contacts. I have read of some people solving reboots by wedging in a piece of thin cardboard on the opposite end of the battery to give it more solid contact.
SeeNev said:
I know this is a common problem as I've seen it in other threads on other sites, but I haven't been able to find a cause/solution. My Evo 3D randomly reboots, frequently. It has happened with every firmware version since I got the phone, and with every rom/kernel I have installed. It doesn't seem to be an overheating issue. I've tried uninstalling a few apps to see if they might be the cause. Basically I'm ready to call it a hardware defect. Does anyone have any idea what causes this or how to fix it? I bought my phone unsubsidized online so it isn't easy to return, but I may have to try anyways. My 3D is useless as it is right now.
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replace your sd card.
*EDIT.... just for the sake of being a little more informational and contributing.... a bad sd card will cause this. your phone, like a computer, can detect a bad disk and will reboot itself to check it.
i had the same problem when i first got my phone... i had my old sd card in there... random reboots. replaced the sd card, problem went away immediately.
i KNEW it was the sd card, though, as soon as i powered up the phone with the new sd card installed because on my old phone whenever i would transfer apps to sd i would get this error pretty often "failed to move application" and i would do it again and it would work.
so after i put the old one in my new 3d i would get that same error... along with the reboots, and thats how i figured it was the card.
so when i powered the phone up with the new card, i went to move my apps from the internal disk to the card and EVERY single one of them moved over the first try. and the phone has not rebooted itself once since then.
also, i heard somewhere that HTC sent some phones out with bad sd cards.... so if you are using the one that came with the phone, that could still be your issue. replace the card.
I had a horrible time with my 3vo rebooting, then got a replacement through Sprint TEP (a new one, thank goodness; ##786# tells you refurbished status) but I had the new one do the same.
Once either of mine had a single reboot, it would then continue to a complete load (booting properly) but would then reboot again after 1-5 minutes. After pulling/reconnecting the battery, it is fine for a day.
The old one had the initial reboot WAY more often than the replacement (the old one had several in a day, this one has had only one per day for the past 2 days).
How to fix: You cannot fix it. You can, however, get a good day before it begins its rebooting sequence. To so this, you have to pull the battery. I have waited until it has rebooted, then I hit shutdown and disconnect-reconnect the battery before restarting.
I hope the issue is taken care of and the initial reboot is gotten rid of.
This has happened on bare stock unrooted and rooted cleanrom 2.1 and 2.2. Also, with 2 different SD cards and 2 different batteries and 2 different 3vos. I have HTC's fastboot off.
Cause: My best guess is that HTC fastboot is not completely off even when unchecked--something differentiates what is loaded during a random reboot from what is loaded after a battery pull, but I don't know what. That, or something differentiates a shutdown and the reboot that the phone does when it reboots randomly. I could be wrong. My sample size is only 2 corrections, but it literally rebooted 12 times then stopped completely after the battery pull and the same thing happened one additional time.
I appreciate the insights you guys have given. I have pulled the battery several times and I don't believe it has done any good, though I will test that further. I am using a 32gb sd card that I purchased when I had my evo 4g and it always worked before, but I will try using the 8gb that came with the phone. The battery is snug and I even 2 two spare battery that also don't fix the problem when being used. I had a lucky 2 days without any reboots, then back to about a dozen reboots a day. So far it's happened with every rom I've tried.
I have noticed that the problem seems to get worse in areas where there is no reception. I took it into the hoover dam and it rebooted like 20 times. Also at Disneyland in different ride buildings where there's no reception it would often reboot.
Yes, marginal reception areas are usually, but not exclusively, where mine starts its reboot routine. The other is during the airvana handoff.
Neither the battery or SD card made any difference. It seems to be getting worse now. All I have to do is run an application and half the time it will reboot. I've tried wiping the system and cache and reinstalling roms. Nothing works.
I was wrong before. It is the shutdown that makes the difference. Difference got home and it began to reset itself every 5 minutes or so. I pulled tjw battery during startup and it did not break the rebooting.
After it finished reboting, I selected shutdown then poweres it back on. After it came back up, it stayed up and has been stable since.
It looks like this might be something I have to get used to. If it begins to reboot, I have to give it a clean shutdown to relieve the issue (well, for 20 hours or so, at least). Again, HTC fastboot is always off.
I RUU'd to Jan2012 OTA update, unlocked with HTCDev.com, installed AmonRa, rooted using AmonRa and everything has been fine....for about four days. Then yesterday, after using IM+ Free for a few days and liking it, I decided to buy the Pro version. Coincidentally, my extended battery was running out and I didn't have time to charge it at work, so I powered down, removed the battery, put my charged stock battery in and voila...boot loop. No signal at unlock screen, sits for 10 seconds, and reboots. I can do a factory wipe and it will boot, but if I restore anything...data only, system only, secure only...all 3, 2 of 3...doesn't matter...issue returns. Anyone know why this might be happening?
It's because you can't post in the right section!
Have you tried wiping and flashing a Rom? Not restoring
Edit: its probably because of a bad backup or because of the ota, its been known to bootloop
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Can a Mod please move this to general?
OT: Check the bootloop thread that will more than likely give you the answer you're looking for.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1394659
My apologies for posting in the wrong section.
My concern is that it was running fine, and then suddenly wasn't when nothing but an app install (IM+) was done. I don't want to go through setting everything up again only to lost it all again four days from now.
I am having similar issues as you are. Tried to charge a 3.8v stock battery overnight and it bootlooped all night long. It seemed like it settled down after putting back in my 3.7v extended. So I called HTC and created a rma for the battery, no big deal.
Then today listening to music while the phone is in the dock i had a few reboots/bootloops, noticed some odd stuff in logcat so I did a reset permissions in recovery. Seems better so far compared to before where it would only take a few minutes to bootloop.
*mine is not the network issue, but good to hear you fixed yours
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I am having similar issues as you are.
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Yes, sounds similar...however, I ran my stock battery for about two weeks with no issues, and ran the extended battery for a good month with no issues, and even ran fine for a few weeks after htcdev.com unlock, AmonRA flash and rooting took place. This all came about out of the blue.
Right now, I am attempting to use the guide specified concerning connecting to the wrong type of network. I'll update when finished.
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UPDATE: That worked. It was a communication issue, the phone had changed it's connection preferences. The sad part is that I've been without a phone for almost a day over this, and flashed all kinds of kernels and recoveries, and even considered going back to Verizon for a replacement. The even sadder part is that I already knew of this fix and completely forgot about it. Thanks a MILLION to MrSmith317, not only for directing me to the fix, but also for not bashing me for accidentally posting in the wrong area of the forum.
Hey, guys, I know there are a lot of these issues with a lot, if not all, of the HTC smartphones, but I've only seen a few of these for the HTC Radar, and they all seem to give the same answers. Hopefully my explanation of the problem will help!
So, I got the phone thanksgiving weekend 2011, so I've had it for about a year. One day around the beginning of April this year, my phone randomly began a restarting loop, where it would gradually restart itself from a blank white screen over and over, then it went to the HTC screen over and over, and then periodically switched between the HTC screen and the black "Windows Phone" load screen over and over again. I tried taking off the battery cover and leaving it for a couple of minutes and then hours, but I put it back and it just kept rebooting. I was left without a phone for about two days.
On the second day, I put it on the charger and left it in my dorm while I was in class all day, and when I came back, it was rebooting still, but I noticed that it always made it to the "Windows Phone" logo loading screen and then restarted. After about 4 reboots, it went back to normal and I was able to use the phone. After the next couple of months, it stopped doing it in such a long period of time, but the battery usage went up almost 30-40% than what it used to be. Once in a while, it would reboot once, but then it would be back to normal.
This time, in late October, it started the reboot thing again, but this time, only going up to the HTC screen and looping that. I tried taking the battery cover off again and leaving it for hours, but same problem now. So I decided to leave it off for a day. By this time, I had my HTC Desire HD as backup, but it was unlocked, and at the time when I bought it, I didn't know anything about HSDPA numbers, so I could use my T-Mobile SIM, but no mobile network, since it's a Telus/AT&T phone.
I tried charging it, but this time, it lasted for a whole week. After rebooting over and over, it would last 3 hours, then stop because the battery would die out. So I just left it, and left it, and weeks went by, and my warranty had long since expired, so I couldn't go to HTC about this. I even called them to see what I could do, and they told me to do a Factory Reset, well... here is a list of the things I tried:
- IMAGE CRC: At first I didn't know what this was, and so I looked it up. After finding out what it was, I tried it, and I got two numbers: BL CRC-0xD19F79E1 and OS CRC-0x4CC706B. I looked those up on the internet and got nothing. I restarted the phone, and nothing happened at all. (If there was something else I was supposed to do here, please tell me!)
- Factory Reset: This was the LAST thing I wanted to do, but I had no choice and I tried it, hoping the error would be fixed. So I scrolled down to it, everything seemed to be normal, it gave me a warning, and I clicked it ... I was very suspicious of this, because as soon as I clicked "Factory Reset", it said "Reset complete. Press Volume Down to restart". I mean IMMEDIATELY after. Now, I KNOW that Factory Resets take much longer than an instant to actually have happened. But I restarted anyway. ... Nothing, still. I tried it several times after that, only to get the same result.
Those are the two options I tried, besides looking on the internet... if I can avoid buying a new Radar, I would like to, at all costs, because the next time I have a decent amount of money, I would like to save it for something else. Is there anything else I could try to resolve this issue, or at least gain more information on the problem?
Thank you all very much for reading my post!
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Hey, guys, I know there are a lot of these issues with a lot, if not all, of the HTC smartphones, but I've only seen a few of these for the HTC Radar, and they all seem to give the same answers. Hopefully my explanation of the problem will help!
So, I got the phone thanksgiving weekend 2011, so I've had it for about a year. One day around the beginning of April this year, my phone randomly began a restarting loop, where it would gradually restart itself from a blank white screen over and over, then it went to the HTC screen over and over, and then periodically switched between the HTC screen and the black "Windows Phone" load screen over and over again. I tried taking off the battery cover and leaving it for a couple of minutes and then hours, but I put it back and it just kept rebooting. I was left without a phone for about two days.
On the second day, I put it on the charger and left it in my dorm while I was in class all day, and when I came back, it was rebooting still, but I noticed that it always made it to the "Windows Phone" logo loading screen and then restarted. After about 4 reboots, it went back to normal and I was able to use the phone. After the next couple of months, it stopped doing it in such a long period of time, but the battery usage went up almost 30-40% than what it used to be. Once in a while, it would reboot once, but then it would be back to normal.
This time, in late October, it started the reboot thing again, but this time, only going up to the HTC screen and looping that. I tried taking the battery cover off again and leaving it for hours, but same problem now. So I decided to leave it off for a day. By this time, I had my HTC Desire HD as backup, but it was unlocked, and at the time when I bought it, I didn't know anything about HSDPA numbers, so I could use my T-Mobile SIM, but no mobile network, since it's a Telus/AT&T phone.
I tried charging it, but this time, it lasted for a whole week. After rebooting over and over, it would last 3 hours, then stop because the battery would die out. So I just left it, and left it, and weeks went by, and my warranty had long since expired, so I couldn't go to HTC about this. I even called them to see what I could do, and they told me to do a Factory Reset, well... here is a list of the things I tried:
- IMAGE CRC: At first I didn't know what this was, and so I looked it up. After finding out what it was, I tried it, and I got two numbers: BL CRC-0xD19F79E1 and OS CRC-0x4CC706B. I looked those up on the internet and got nothing. I restarted the phone, and nothing happened at all. (If there was something else I was supposed to do here, please tell me!)
- Factory Reset: This was the LAST thing I wanted to do, but I had no choice and I tried it, hoping the error would be fixed. So I scrolled down to it, everything seemed to be normal, it gave me a warning, and I clicked it ... I was very suspicious of this, because as soon as I clicked "Factory Reset", it said "Reset complete. Press Volume Down to restart". I mean IMMEDIATELY after. Now, I KNOW that Factory Resets take much longer than an instant to actually have happened. But I restarted anyway. ... Nothing, still. I tried it several times after that, only to get the same result.
Those are the two options I tried, besides looking on the internet... if I can avoid buying a new Radar, I would like to, at all costs, because the next time I have a decent amount of money, I would like to save it for something else. Is there anything else I could try to resolve this issue, or at least gain more information on the problem?
Thank you all very much for reading my post!
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May be it is a Hardware problem. Why you don't try to put HSPL and to cook custom rom ? I do this on mine few days ago and now the phone is more useful than before. I cooked HD2O ROM and till now working fine for me. When you change bootloader with HSPL may be it will work out if it is a Software problem. Also you need to change Radio Firmware other wise the device can not boot. When I am doing HSPL a few times phone just loop restarts and not start but after I do everything like it was in treads here and flash new radio the phone is working fine now. But may be there is a Hardware problem.
Tonyco1 said:
May be it is a Hardware problem. Why you don't try to put HSPL and to cook custom rom ? I do this on mine few days ago and now the phone is more useful than before. I cooked HD2O ROM and till now working fine for me. When you change bootloader with HSPL may be it will work out if it is a Software problem. Also you need to change Radio Firmware other wise the device can not boot. When I am doing HSPL a few times phone just loop restarts and not start but after I do everything like it was in treads here and flash new radio the phone is working fine now. But may be there is a Hardware problem.
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Thank you very much for responding! So just to be clear, how exactly do I go about flashing a ROM on the Radar, and a new radio? On Android phones, its much easier to root the device or simply place the ROM folder in there and make it work. I have no experience with doing this to a Radar, as I was previously led to believe that this was impossible. Should I just browse this forum?
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Thank you very much for responding! So just to be clear, how exactly do I go about flashing a ROM on the Radar, and a new radio? On Android phones, its much easier to root the device or simply place the ROM folder in there and make it work. I have no experience with doing this to a Radar, as I was previously led to believe that this was impossible. Should I just browse this forum?
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Yes just browse this forum but only section about Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking. You will find DFT exclamation of how to install HSPL. In mine it was very easy because I not receive Country ID fail my phone was buy in Europe. If you receive Country ID error you need to proceed with goldcard it is explained there but first proceed without goldcard if it work it is very easy. Also when you proceed SPL2.05 it is not clear in the topic but you need to be in bootloader so you should start your phone with VolUp and VolDn keys pushed this is not explained in the topic and I waist a lot of time till figured out. After that just download one of the 7.8 ROMs here in Radar section and write it down. Also download new radio and use some RUU to put it on the phone before the ROM other wise the phone can not boot. Try and after that if you have problems write down here.
MY RADAR TURNED BACK ON! I don't know exactly what happened, but after a couple of reboots, the battery indicator flashed and then it rebooted twice until finally turning on the full amount.
Tonyco1 -- Thank you very much for staying with me and replying to my request! Although what you suggested is not needed for my booting issue, I'm going to try it anyway to see if I can actually boot 7.8! Thank you again.
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MY RADAR TURNED BACK ON! I don't know exactly what happened, but after a couple of reboots, the battery indicator flashed and then it rebooted twice until finally turning on the full amount.
Tonyco1 -- Thank you very much for staying with me and replying to my request! Although what you suggested is not needed for my booting issue, I'm going to try it anyway to see if I can actually boot 7.8! Thank you again.
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OK but you need to but some custom ROM my phone turn back on when I put custom ROM a lot of features and works really good.
Hello:
So, the bottom line up front is I need help solving a problem with my now third, new Verizon Samsung Galaxy S4--it keeps restarting on its own, at random times, but most often after I lock the screen.
To go in more depth, if you think you may know the solution: I purchased the S4 when it first came out, some time in 2013 (not sure specifically, but it was new) and it worked just fine for 13 months (1 month past the warranty of course); this was back in August, when I got the latest Android update pushed to my phone from Verizon (4.4.2). A couple of weeks later, I would occasionally get overheating warnings that would very quickly disappear (like within a few seconds), and then the device started restarting itself... I cannot predict when it will restart, it's random, but like I said above, it usually happens most right after I lock the screen by pressing the right side button once. I started looking around on the internet for a solution then, but only found a couple of videos from earlier in 2013 where people were having battery problems (Google search has been letting me down more and more as the years pass). One day while at work, I was listening to Pandora as I always have with the phone in my front pocket, as I always have. A few hours later when I got home, not having taken the phone out of my front pocket since those last few hours at work, I went to answer a text message I had received; when I unlocked the phone, the screen was black, except for a small bit of white showing through some cracks UNDER the LCD, UNDER the screen protector, INSIDE my Otterbox Defender... the phone appeared to be working still, but the screen and touch screen did not. At that point I was pretty damn irritated and tried to find answers for a week with no luck... I called Verizon, they sent me on a goose chase to Samsung, who sent me back to Verizon, who got me in a conference call with Samsung and then left the call, and then Samsung ultimately said I would need to pay for repairs to the phone... SO... I went back to Verizon who again said I would have to talk to Samsung, but instead I just settled to giving Asurion (my phone insurance through Verizon, whom I pay an extra $9 monthly) $99 as a deductible to get a replacement S4...
Two days later I receive a brand new S4... spend hours setting it up the way I had my prior one... wasting tons of my valueable time to do so and bandwidth from my Concast ISP and the data cap they've decided to give us... one week later, the phone starts restarting itself... and this one did it more often than my prior one... EVERYTHING is up to date, minus a good amount of useless bloatware apps I never use from Samsung, like "Watch On," which I ignore... but everything necessary, I update. So, I go back to Asurion, who quickly ships me a 3rd S4...
Two days later I receive that third, brand new S4... spend hours setting it up the way I had my prior one... and now, this one is also restarting itself randomly. Interestingly, when I visited family for Thanksgiving, it restarted itself over and over and over much more frequently than when I'm at my place... at my family's place, they have very poor reception, and my phone usually has to work more to try to get the signal... IDK what the deal is, but maybe that information can be helpful to y'all.
Other things to note:
1) When I check the "RAM manager" by holding down the home button and then choosing "Task Manager", the phone is always using at least 800MB of 1.77GB of RAM... even when I choose "Clear memory" and it tells me 30 something apps have been closed... it jumps right back up to 800-900MB of usage.
2) I've tried factory resets on all three phones; with the first one where the screen cracked inside, I hooked the phone up via HDMI... within a couple of days, the restarting begins.
3) With the first replacement I received, I could not sent text messages with the default messenger app... and shortly after trying, it would restart.
4) I have used the same SIM card with all three phones since the issue began, when I first got the 4.2.2 update... I do not suspect the SIM card is the problem, but I'm also not savy with the phone... I know my way around it, but I'm not in the know.
5) I thought maybe it started because of some apps I had been trying, so I had deleted them, and the problem still persists.
6) I constantly have a Pebble Bluetooth smart watch connected to the phone... I have since I got it last Spring (2014).
7) I have never rooted the S4, overclocked it, underclocked it, or modded it in anyway because I do not know how, and I was afraid of what could happen in the future with whatever ROM I did flash onto the device if Verizon tried to push an update to it... I just don't know anything about the whole process, and I'm assuming it requires a lot of know how and babysitting of the device... I just want it to work.
8) I've replaced the battery twice; it doesn't seem to be the problem.
9) I've cleared the cache through the boot manager thing gotten to by holding a combo of buttons on the device while it's rebooting... it did not help.
Edit: 10) Today while I was listening to Pandora in the car, the audio began to skip and scratch, and then it paused for a moment, and then the phone restarted itself.
11) I forgot to mention that the reboot process itself is very fast compared to a manual restart performed by me... the phone will go black, the Samsung color rings will show a second after that, the logo appears then, the screen flashes the red Verizon logo, and then the devices is ready to be used... it's less than 10 seconds.
I've been searching around on the internet for about two months now while dealing with the problem and I can't find anything useful. Does anyone here know what my issue is and how I can fix it? Is there a way to pull error logs / information from the S4 somehow to give to someone to diagnose, like DxDiags on PC? I don't know how to read that stuff myself, but I know it can be very useful... I just don't know how to find that info inside of these very locked down ****boxes we call smartphones...
I truly appreciate any help I can get--sorry I can't offer anything in return; if I can't find a solution, I'm just going to go to my backup phone from 2011 (Droid X), and I will definitely never purchase another Samsung device, especially after they blamed me as the cause of the problem without even seeing the phone...
Thanks.
The problem is with the NG6 software build, and "probably" not with your phone. Go to Settings>About Phone> and see what Baseband Version is on your phone. If the last 3 letters are NG6, that's probably the problem. There is a new OTA update (as of 12/1).....Baseband Version ending in NK1, which corrects the rebooting problem. Either install the new update, or go back to the NC5 baseband version and that should solve your problem. Both NK1 and NC5 can be rooted if you desire.
So I've had my Verizon LG G3 for almost two years now and was just about to get off the payment plan where my bill would go down by $23 a month and the good news was that I still really liked this phone and planned on keeping it. My son has the same phone and there are times he's running out of battery life, so I purchased one extra battery and external charger from LG...for only $20 total. Great deal...but now I'm regretting it.
About two weeks after switching out batteries at times, my phone started acting up. First it was 'SIM card not found', but a reboot usually fixed that. Then started the reboots...which eventually led to a boot-loop failure. Factory reset, and I'm back up an running for a few days, but then the problems started again. So after a few iterations of this, I decide to root the phone and load it up with CM13. I followed the tutorial on this site and it worked flawlessly. Within a few hours I was able to go down to 10B, root, and upgrade to CM13. The phone worked great.....for 3 days. Then the boot-loops started again.
Now if I try to reset the phone through TWRP, I get to the install process and the phone dies partway through. I even tried to use the LG Flash Tool to go back to stock, but after the process starts, I get to about 17% - 25% complete and my phone turns off...while plugged in.
Basically, I believe this thing got totally screwed up with the new battery somehow. I'll try send it in to LG, but of course its off warranty, so I'm not expecting much other than a charge to fix it. I'll let you know what they say.
If the cost is too high, or they won't fix it for free, I'm onto a new phone and it definitely will NOT be an LG. I'm thinking Google, Motorola or Samsung...not sure which one yet.
Advice to most...be very careful of switching batteries, even with OEM. That's when all the problems started for me.
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Question threads go in the Q&A section.
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Was both a question and information, but I appreciate the thought. Reported it.
Thanks, and sorry. Gads, ignore me again. I'm apparently not reading well today.