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Never had a large tablet before..

So I've never owned a large tablet before, I had a nexus 7 for a few months but I sold it to pay bills. I have a galaxy s3 and between that my old nexus I know I'm definitely android fan all the way. To get the point I'm thinking of buying a nexus 10 but I'm hearing about a new version coming out late February early March and there is also talks of medium sized galaxy note 8 and a slightly smaller tablet sounds awesome, so my question is should I wait for the new nexus 10? Go buy the current one from walmart, get another nexus 7 or wait for the note 8?
Aloooottt of spelling and grammatical errors I know..
The only new version I could see coming out in the near future would be a gsm sim card version. For those people who want an lte version, not going to happen in a long long time, just get over it.
The article I read said the were switching out the processor for something more powerful
Edtothewords said:
The article I read said the were switching out the processor for something more powerful
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You are the 3rd person I've come across referencing similar articles and I will say the same as others - its seems highly unlikely they will have that kind of upgrade anytime soon.
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The article I read said the were switching out the processor for something more powerful
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More powerful? Which one? First of all, why would they if they just released this processor on this device, first tablet with it anyways. Tegra 4 or the octa are not available and they have never revised a nexus device, they are not going to re-release the same tablet with any hardware upgrade, they will only do firmware updates, new hardware will come on the next nexus device. This is an awesome device, they just got to fix some things on the display/gamma department and thermal throttling.
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Rumor or not...only time will tell...take a look here. I would hate to see it happen but if memory serves me right the Nexus 7 8GB got discontinued with the 16GB getting sold for the same price. Apples and oranges but could happen. Thumb down if it does.
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Rumor or not...only time will tell...take a look here. I would hate to see it happen but if memory serves me right the Nexus 7 8GB got discontinued with the 16GB getting sold for the same price. Apples and oranges but could happen. Thumb down if it does.
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A bit different , because for storage all they need to do is use a larger sd card inside the same device, CPU/GPU would require a lot more changes to the hardware, and would have a lot of customers pissed like myself that waited a long time for a tablet, and to see them do this and I got mine this Christmas, would not sit well with me and a lot of people, but hey that's just my opinion, really hope they wouldn't screw customers like that, and after I dropped a lot of money to buy a nexus 7 for the wife and a 10 for me, if they go and do that these would make the last Google/nexus devices I'll ever get.
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Droid-Life posted a story about this rumored Nexus 10 2. Their thought (and it's all spevulation) is that they might announce it/show it off at MWC next month, officially announce it at I/O and release it in the fall. I wouldn't wait.
All the people reporting it are just regurgitating the original websites story and adding their own twist on it to make it sound like they've got the inside scoop. Fact: None of them know any more than the original story (if that's even true). It's typical bad circle jerking journalism. #1 reason I try to avoid almost all the Android `insider' (I'm looking at you Android Police) websites. It's hard to though when they all publish 9,245 stories a day to garner unwarranted page clicks.

Note 3 Now or Note 4 Later...

I currently have an S4 32GB, but want the extra display space, since notice web and gaming are better experiences with the Note 3. Was considering the G3, but the Qhd/801 combination is too much of a compromise for me: dimness, battery life / throttling with heavy use.
Question now is would the Note 3 be good, or better to wait for the Note 4? Current perspective:
+ Note 3 performs great and 1080p appears to be a better fit for current display tech and 28nm chipsets. Next year should be the year for Qhd with 20nm chips.
+ Note 3 is easy to root with Towelroot, so can freeze bloat and re-enable sd card writes (KitKat evil). I do NOT want to bother modding beyond that.
- Note 3 signal reception issues since the most recent update. Common issue? Been fixed if it is?
- Note 4 could be special and MAYBE the 805 has enough battery management tricks to offset some of the Qhd power draw. Plus the display will likely be more power efficient than the G3's.
- Note 4 might be locked down and not have root, take long time, or be very complex if can be rooted. Note 3 is simple NOW and I need a device with sdcard writes enabled for third party apps. This is more important to me than freezing bloat with TB.
I would normally just decide to wait, but am concerned VZW will update to kill rooting on the Note 3. I could see being happy with the Note three for two years- assuming no signal reception issues.
Note 4 would be my choice without thinking twice. it always gets better and i expect too see better camera, waterproofing (big for me) better screen, etc.....
also it has been noted the Android L (coming soon) had corrected the write to SD from KK.
i do appreciate root for sure but i notice i go less and less with needing it and my list shrinks as Android moves ahead. i freeze all the unremovable stuff i dont use on N3 that cant be removed with Stock but honestly i dont have an internal SD space issue so its not for clearing space. i would do it for space as a challenge but i have plenty so who cares anymore.
as far as freezing the stuff i dont want that is forced on me i find that most of it i can disable anyway in stock and on my Tab Pro 10.1 just for curiosity i left it completely stock with only disabling a few annoying things like TripAdvisor and i have not seen a performance or battery difference from when i first got it and did all that removing etc.. i usually do
so i vote Note 4
If L allows card writes, I would definitely wait. Not seen that mentioned in spite of that being the number one pushback issue from users with Kitkat.
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If L allows card writes, I would definitely wait. Not seen that mentioned in spite of that being the number one pushback issue from users with Kitkat.
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here ya go
Yep and here is a summary:
Better Storage Framework:
In KitKat, Google introduced a few radical changes to the way storage in general and, in particular, SD Cards worked. Developers complained about the restrictive new storage framework, which broke SD Card support for a bunch of apps and overall was just more limited and not as robust. The good news is that the storage framework is getting a few enhancements in Android L which should take care of this problem for developers, granting full read/write access to directories and subdirectories, and allowing developers to group together file operations. This potentially adds more solid SD card support and may very well fix the current annoyances that developers have with the OS. Seeing as Android will be officially supporting devices with SD Cards in the future, it’s expected to see more and more robust support as the framework keeps getting better.
Looks like Android has reversed their Apple-like course. I am still ticked that ART uses 25% more storage space, but everything is give and take.
fletch33 said:
Note 4 would be my choice without thinking twice. it always gets better and i expect too see better camera, waterproofing (big for me) better screen, etc.....
also it has been noted the Android L (coming soon) had corrected the write to SD from KK.
i do appreciate root for sure but i notice i go less and less with needing it and my list shrinks as Android moves ahead. i freeze all the unremovable stuff i dont use on N3 that cant be removed with Stock but honestly i dont have an internal SD space issue so its not for clearing space. i would do it for space as a challenge but i have plenty so who cares anymore.
as far as freezing the stuff i dont want that is forced on me i find that most of it i can disable anyway in stock and on my Tab Pro 10.1 just for curiosity i left it completely stock with only disabling a few annoying things like TripAdvisor and i have not seen a performance or battery difference from when i first got it and did all that removing etc.. i usually do
so i vote Note 4
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Not to be nitpicky but if the Note 4 is like the S5 it will be water resistant, not waterproof. I won't be getting the Note 4 until I see that it can be rooted, there are just too many advantages to having a rooted device over a non-rooted device. 2¢
I'd say all of your pros/cons are spot on. Just be aware that the S4 and Note 2 are generally considered Samsung's pinnacle at producing radios. I replaced my Note 3 due to signal issues, and while the replacement is a lot better, it is nowhere near as good as my Note 2 (which I went back to using during the replacement process). Several places where I thought Verizon just didn't have signal in fact turned out to be due to the phone. When I have -90dbm 3G on the Note 2, it equates to -115dbm of unusable 1X on the Note 3. You may live in a good signal environment (unlike me), but just be aware of what you may be getting into.
The S5 also has poor signal, from my experience and from others' posts, so I won't hold my breath for the Note 4.
Personally I would wait till the Note 4 is announced. It should be in September. There are many rumors about the Note 4, but so far no officially confirmed features. Android L may not come with release but would instead be an update, much like this past year with kitkat as Google may not allow another company to officially release a phone with the new Android before they do. If releases follow last year's pattern the new Nexus (or possible new Google flagship phone) would release about a month after the N4. Not to mention the rumors about the Nexus 6 with a 6 inch screen. Rumors about the Note 4 include possible form factor changes including a version with curved glass. The N4 may be overshadowed by the expected fall release of Samsung's future flagship Samsung F.
As for the N3 it is a powerful device and with root there is plenty of added potential. From everything I've read about the radios, the newer N3's actually have better signal than the original releases, however there is certainly no consensus in the community other than that most report poor signal & dl speed. We may see yet see a significant improvement in this department over the next year as Verizon continues to roll out XLTE across the country. The other benefit for N3 is our developers. While I'm sure once the N4 is released it won't be very long before root is gained and developers start to get to work, ATM we have a few dedicated devs that are looking to keep the N3 alive and feeling new for a good time to come. With an S5 port, maybe an N4 port in the future, and the upcoming Alliance rom, if you ever get to the point where you want something fresh and decide to go custom there would likely be support for at least a year after the release of N4 (maybe I'm wrong, but from talk from the devs I don't think I am).
No matter what you decide, I know that for me if I jumped the gun and a month or two later the next BIG thing came out I would probably kick myself, especially considering the price tag on our phones. Good luck deciding (or waiting lol).
September is not that far away. Wait for the official N4 announcement and decide then.
There is a thread in the stickies to discuss upgrading and other devices
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[Q] Nexus 9 LTE preorder

I've been noticing from the past few posts on the Nexus 9 wifi versions the following:
1. Light bleed
2. Warm back under heavy applications
3. Blank middle gap
Judging from the first few days it's understandable mainly because these are the first devices that are manufactured and lollipop along with apps still need updates. However I am currently considering to preorder the LTE version of the Nexus 9 and I would like to ask on how the LTE versions of nexus tablets fare? Will there be enough time for google and htc to address these issues? I would also like to ask if these issues happened previously with the Nexus 7 and if they were fixed ASAP?
Thank you.

From Note 4 > 8 it's been six months, guys. I hate this phone.

Samsung's user-friendly -20% battery approach to root is pretty bold. As a customer I find it quite heinous. Can't keep a backup battery around.
No physical buttons. In landscape mode it is very annoying and changing the automatic hide disorients the function of multiple apps in either direction
ir blaster. and idk if anyone else has this problem but the thinner s pen. I've broken 4 befween my fingers so no more s pen. What is the.major improvement here? The phone is a step backwards.
It would be one thing if I got my hopes up a little but the Note 8 has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I feel like I screwed honestly.
If they want to keep removing features and locking the phone down then forget it, i'll buy a hawawaie and China can have my data instead. With some of the google stuff coming out lately I think id rather give it to them anyway. What bloat do they preinstall? Yandex? beats facebook and carrier-iq. Not planning on moving there any time soon either and last time I checked no three letter organisations are contracting with the Chinese government
The root part is what made the note 8 pretty useless to me as a device. I would sell it and get a op5t or 2xl if you care about root.
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browniegirl said:
The root part is what made the note 8 pretty useless to me as a device. I would sell it and get a op5t or 2xl if you care about root.
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thx. I'll check them out.
Blob Blobbed said:
thx. I'll check them out.
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I went with a SM-N950N (Korean Note 8) to have root
Same here, got me an Exynos N950F to have root. First time I have ever purchased an international phone (for Android anyway) & probably will never buy a US Samsung so long as they keep using locked down Snapdragon. Sure Snapdragon has root but no TWRP & 80% charging s not going to cut it for me.
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Same here, got me an Exynos N950F to have root. First time I have ever purchased an international phone (for Android anyway) & probably will never buy a US Samsung so long as they keep using locked down Snapdragon. Sure Snapdragon has root but no TWRP & 80% charging s not going to cut it for me.
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Should have done this. Which phoen did you have before?
Blob Blobbed said:
Should have done this. Which phoen did you have before?
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I had a N920T T-Mobile USA Note 5, the last Exynos Samsung for the US. Once I heard S7 had locked bootloaders, I knew I would have to buy International/Exynos from going forward. Sucks having to do so initially but more than well worth it for me, couldn't be happier.
With all that's provided today by Android, I almost see no reason for root.
And it's quite odd to have broken 4 S-Pens. That's about $100 in value dropped like that. But the whole no physical button is not enough of a reason to hate the Note 8 at all. Samsung was just finally becoming part of the Android lineup that's how it's supposed to function. The Physical home button gives me some anxiety to see scratches on it no matter how much I protect it.
I went from Note 3 to Note 7, back to a used Note 4, and now the Note 8 for the last 6 months. I'm not rooted and I really don't miss root for much. Battery life is pretty amazing on the Note 8. I like Samsung UI, so with the Note 3 & 4 I always stuck with touchwiz roms. It's nice having a more current version of Android with the Samsung Experience. The Note 8's not perfect, but I definitely don't miss the Note 4.
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Samsung's user-friendly -20% battery approach to root is pretty bold. As a customer I find it quite heinous. Can't keep a backup battery around.
No physical buttons. In landscape mode it is very annoying and changing the automatic hide disorients the function of multiple apps in either direction
ir blaster. and idk if anyone else has this problem but the thinner s pen. I've broken 4 befween my fingers so no more s pen. What is the.major improvement here? The phone is a step backwards.
It would be one thing if I got my hopes up a little but the Note 8 has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I feel like I screwed honestly.
If they want to keep removing features and locking the phone down then forget it, i'll buy a hawawaie and China can have my data instead. With some of the google stuff coming out lately I think id rather give it to them anyway. What bloat do they preinstall? Yandex? beats facebook and carrier-iq. Not planning on moving there any time soon either and last time I checked no three letter organisations are contracting with the Chinese government
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Sucks for u. I came from a fully modded note 4 that I had since launch day and the n8 not rooted blows the n4 away. Battery life, speed, themes, screen. Idk what else u want from a phone, and this is coming from someone who made a anti-note 5 Facebook because of the features lost from the 4 to the 5. Btw, you guys are welcome for getting the sd card back??. And yeah I missed the ir blaster for about 2 days. That's it though, it was seriously no big deal at all. And u can debloat without root. As far as backups, helium works great. And for viper audio...... Just poweramp alpha build with hi-res sounds better on my system than with viper anyways. And what are u seriously doing to ur spens??? 4 really, I never broke 1. If you ever had the n5, I have a feeling the spen got put in backwards as well...
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Sucks for u. I came from a fully modded note 4 that I had since launch day and the n8 not rooted blows the n4 away. Battery life, speed, themes, screen. Idk what else u want from a phone, and this is coming from someone who made a anti-note 5 Facebook because of the features lost from the 4 to the 5. Btw, you guys are welcome for getting the sd card back?. And yeah I missed the ir blaster for about 2 days. That's it though, it was seriously no big deal at all. And u can debloat without root. As far as backups, helium works great. And for viper audio...... Just poweramp alpha build with hi-res sounds better on my system than with viper anyways. And what are u seriously doing to ur spens??? 4 really, I never broke 1. If you ever had the n5, I have a feeling the spen got put in backwards as well...
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If someone complains about 80% batt after root, no physical buttons, locked bootloader no IR blaster among other issues, frankly, why did you buy a note 8? Bob bobbled, how did you managed the increadible feat of breaking 4 spens?, as an informed android user you seem to be, I think that all your complains you make are long known facts, snapdragons beeing troublesome for rooting, ir blaster now dropped, physical buttons only in active versions or low level devices, 4 spen broken? C'mon, the spens are not the problem, but how they are handled, next time, better get all the pertinent info before buying, or, as you said, get a huawei or something like it, but, you will see, sooner or later, that those devices have many issues that ultimately you will not like, believe me
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With all that's provided today by Android, I almost see no reason for root.
And it's quite odd to have broken 4 S-Pens. That's about $100 in value dropped like that. But the whole no physical button is not enough of a reason to hate the Note 8 at all. Samsung was just finally becoming part of the Android lineup that's how it's supposed to function. The Physical home button gives me some anxiety to see scratches on it no matter how much I protect it.
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I think OP means they have broken fingers so thinner S-Pen is harder and virtually impossible to use
I upgrade from my N910C to a N950N due to the fact that my N910C was starting to drop LTE signals randomly. I have to say I am loving my N950N. It is probably my best purchase of the year. I thought that I would hate not havinv physical buttons. But I quickly gotten use to having soft buttons. Not having a removable battery is my main grip with the latest Samsung devices. But I can easily get 2 days battery life out of my N950N with moderate use. I haven't notice any performance issues since the upgrade to Oreo. Performance has been butterly smoothy. I love the iris scanner, it even works in direct sunlight. The placement of the fingerprint scanner is not as bad as I thought it would be.
Seriously 4 S-pens? man the 2nd pen break must have made u smarter. I have used all the Notes except 2 & 7(they stopped the launch in India)
Never broken a pen, a tip damaged due to dropping it, but never broken, and even on the Note 5, never inserted it the wrong way. And I am a very prolific user of the S-Pen.
The battery isnt so bad, ofcourse would appreciate better life, but thats a not a deal breaker. And also the physical buttons, never really missed them, since the Tab series really lost them in 2012.
I would say that Note 8 Exynos rooted and Dr.Ketan Rom+Pro Tweaks is the optimal combo imo. Everything is optimized, battery is great, no bloatware..... etc etc etc
I too have made the leap from a N910a to the note 8. Being that I'm coming from the notorious "you'll never get root on our phone, EVER" from AT&T having root PERIOD was a game changer. With that said, I do miss the IR blaster although alot of the time I'd forget it was there lol. I had my note 4 for nearly 3 years - longest I've ever had a phone and not had something happen i.e. dropping it.
So root was a HUGE deal for me to have, so I may be a bit biased in that area but as others have touched on, for real how did you manage to break not 1, not 2, or 3 but FOUR spens?! If it were 1 I'd say contact them for possibly poor workmanship, no offense but it seems like it's on the user end in this instance. As far as features the Note 8 has root aside, waterproof (or water RESISTANT as it technically really is lol) Another game changer. For over a year I had no working speaker due to having just moving into new apt and first night using it as Hotspot I had no idea sprinklers came on and shat water onto my rear patio. My own fault, but nonetheless very VERY comforting knowing if I ever screwed up in that area, it wouldn't be an issue. That alone with all our own user end mishaps is arguably a MUST HAVE.
The 80 pct limit isn't really that bad, if you must charge it to 100 pct there is always the download mode workaround, but if we are taking straight user friendliness,I could see it being a thing to do it everytime one charged. Raw power over the note 4 is and has to be something that anyone would notice immediately. I have a gear vr and while the note 4 fit, it always was outperformed by my note 8 when I tested them back to back.
I DO miss the removable battery (price to pay for water resistance I suppose) and am not looking forward to when it starts to show signs of aging and needs replaced. There are options I've found that help, like a portable power bank. Although with my use I really don't see much of a difference between when I was stock compared to now, so that wasn't and isn't anything I ever complain about knowing up front that was the price of admission if I wanted root. I still have my note 4 but honestly it just sits along side of my other devices of yesteryear collecting dust.
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Samsung's user-friendly -20% battery approach to root is pretty bold. As a customer I find it quite heinous. Can't keep a backup battery around.
No physical buttons. In landscape mode it is very annoying and changing the automatic hide disorients the function of multiple apps in either direction
ir blaster. and idk if anyone else has this problem but the thinner s pen. I've broken 4 befween my fingers so no more s pen. What is the.major improvement here? The phone is a step backwards.
It would be one thing if I got my hopes up a little but the Note 8 has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I feel like I screwed honestly.
If they want to keep removing features and locking the phone down then forget it, i'll buy a hawawaie and China can have my data instead. With some of the google stuff coming out lately I think id rather give it to them anyway. What bloat do they preinstall? Yandex? beats facebook and carrier-iq. Not planning on moving there any time soon either and last time I checked no three letter organisations are contracting with the Chinese government
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time to sell it and opt for another device
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If someone complains about 80% batt after root, no physical buttons, locked bootloader no IR blaster among other issues, frankly, why did you buy a note 8? Bob bobbled, how did you managed the increadible feat of breaking 4 spens?, as an informed android user you seem to be, I think that all your complains you make are long known facts, snapdragons beeing troublesome for rooting, ir blaster now dropped, physical buttons only in active versions or low level devices, 4 spen broken? C'mon, the spens are not the problem, but how they are handled, next time, better get all the pertinent info before buying, or, as you said, get a huawei or something like it, but, you will see, sooner or later, that those devices have many issues that ultimately you will not like, believe me
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So you can root the Note 8? (US version or only international vesion?) and rooting limits battery to 80% only?
You can root both models, but with snapdragons, the batt only charges up to 80%, I read about this here XDA, I dont know if there is some patch or workaround for it, as I have an stock Exynos 950F 128GB

Question Time to stop using Pixel phones? Terrible experience through 1 year of ownership

I've got a Pixel 6 pre-ordered, using it as my main phone since launch. My experience with random bugs, but especially frustrating Bluetooth devices randomly disappearing or being forgotten, random Bluetooth disconnections and so on have frustrated me beyond belief!
I stopped using Samsung phones back in the Note 2 era as Samsung when on a tangent and lost their marbles, and before my Pixel 6 I was using a Xiaomi Mi 11, which was an excellent hardware, but I could not get on with their buggy mess and poorly implemented dark mode forcing apps and making buttons disappear as consequence. Never again...
Now the Pixel 6 is making me feel the same way, a frustrating half-baked phone which was meant to be exactly the opposite, it should be the flagship Google phone with the latest and most polished software, not this mess.
So I'm considering perhaps moving to a Samsung flagship, but I've no idea if their software will be any better. I'm definitely not going for the Chinese brands anymore, Oneplus lost its way, Xiaomi is a proper mess, Realme and others also not worth considering. Ah, I evne forgot to mention I had an Asus ROG phone once, excellent phone but very slow update cycles, another disappointment.
So what is left for me to try? A Samsung flagship that promises 4 years of updates? The reality is that I'll keep the phone for 2 or 3 years max anyway, but nice that samsnung is finally focusing on providing updates more quickly. Or, go back to an iPhone and forget all this mess, but I'm way more keen on keeping an Android phone due to its flexibility.
Any thoughts guys?
i know how ya feel mephisto.. it was either a samsung A53 or pixel 6a for my budget and the 6a came in £100 cheaper ( argos offer ) so far i have 2 issues . first of all the battery life reminds me of my old galaxy s5 .. lucky to last a full day and I'm not a heavy user either . I've read it settles down after a while once it gets to know your usage patterns , then again I've never really seen that happen in previous phones . And secondly the camera .. yes its good but the jpg compression is way too heavy . I've installed and tuned up bigkakas 8.4 gcam mod and it's pulling out a lot more fine detail than stock . they should give users more options as far as the camera goes.
anyway it still blows the redmi note 11 out of the water so i suppose i shouldn't complain .. but i do
I wonder if I'm alone feeling this disappointed and if there are any good alternatives
It is a result of market expectations (imho). The number of people interested in customizing and tweaking their device is too small to get the attention of the manufacturers. They will target their preferred (ie easiest) audience, and whoever isn't in that audience will have to deal with the results.
i am hugely disappointed in my s6. battery life is poor at best uses 1.5% an hour if i don't touch the device. ( my other 3 phones only use 0.3% an hour, same sim , same service, same place). battery use while on at 5-6% is pretty good.there have been bugs since day one. the camera was advertised as 50mp but software makes it 12mp, that was annoying. and developer support on xda is just ok.
i should have bought the last pixel5

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