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Hi Guys,
I would have tacked this onto the back of an existing thread, but the only relevant ones I could find were in development (I’m still under 10 posts) – and this is more of a general usage question anyway.
I’m running CM7.0.2 and been I’ve been using Apps2SD (darktremor) for a month or so. The onboard memory for apps on the Legend is abysmal, so freeing space up and being able to have more than half a dozen apps is great. I was looking to take up Data2ext too. I’m still S-ON (I haven’t found a serious need for S-OFF yet, and I figure the less access I have to the bowels of my phone, the less likely I’m gonna brick it), so still using CWM2.x and obviously not running EXT4 yet.
Just wanted to ask a couple of stupid n00b questions before I try anything (I’d rather ask this now, then be posting “help I ****ed up my phone” later on).
- Am I right in believing that that data2ext only moves app data, not the apps themselves to the SD car so I need to continue using apps2sd as a companion script?
- Does data2ext need its own additional partition setting up prior – or does it create its own partition/utilize an existing partition? If there needs to be a preconfigured partition, any recommendations on how much space to allocate?
- Is there anything in particular that I need to know before I run through TGF’s guide (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=902395)?
Thanks for the help guys!
data2ext will use the partition that darktremor currently uses, and you don't want to have dark tremor and data2ext on at the same time, funny things happen.
Data2ext remounts the entire data partition to a partition on the SD card. So anything that gets written to /data (apps, app data etc) goes to the SD card instead.
You need to know that this could go wrong, but I think the first post covers most of it.
That makes sense. I previously wasn’t sure if data2ext only moved app data only, and apps2sd still needed to be used to move the actual apps themselves. As that’s not the case, it’ll make things much easier not having to **** around with 2 different scripts to hopefully get them to play nicely.
I did actually end up stepping up to Blayo’s fake-flash CWM 3.0.1.3 yesterday; though I’m still trying to work out partitions/file systems with it – creating partitions in CWM recovery defaults to EXT3 with no option to set EXT4, and after manually creating an EXT4 partition in GParted CWM wouldn’t let me mount /sd-ext. As your initial post already details formatting /sd-ext to EXT4 anyway, it’ll be interesting to see how nicely this plays with 3.0.1.3.
Thanks for the disclaimer on the risks involved. Without intending to sound patronising; I’m well aware there is the ever present potential to really **** things up, and that I do only have limited knowledge compared to a lot of people posting on xda – which is why I try and get any/all information available before hand, and follow instructions given closely.
Coo'. Just shout if you need help, I'm subscribed to this thread so I should see it
Seems to have worked like a charm.
One question though – I know you can confirm data2ext is successfully running by launching "data2ext --enable" a second time after the final reboot, but is there any means to monitor the used/available space on /sd-ext?
Both Titanium Backup and a2sdGUI allowed me to keep tabs on this, but Ti is unable to see the /sd-ext partition now (I haven’t bothered installing a2sdGUI, not really any point).
It might be a small thing, but if possible I would like to be able to see it fill up, just to give me piece of mind all is OK.
*edit* scratch that last part, just noticed Android and Ti now sees the Internal Memory as a total combined capacity the internal memory + /sd-ext. Eitherway, I'm up and running
i no my question is noob but still.....i m using CM7 nd CWM 2.5.0.7....if i use d optioned partition ur sd card....is dat data to ext ? ndnd wat is swap size ? also how to check what claSS SDCARD I HAVE... I HAVE 16GB KINGSTON SDCARD!
I've a noob question too, if the sd card is partitioned to allow some internal apps to run on this special partition what is currently the safest procedure to do this?
tushar_beriwal said:
i no my question is noob but still.....i m using CM7 nd CWM 2.5.0.7....if i use d optioned partition ur sd card....is dat data to ext ? ndnd wat is swap size ? also how to check what claSS SDCARD I HAVE... I HAVE 16GB KINGSTON SDCARD!
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The Class should be written on the Card.. in a circle..
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I got mine up and running last night... created a 1 gig partition for data... data2ext is active, but my phone is now SLOW as molasses. SD card is Class 10 and tests on a computer reveal it to be fast.
I'm at a loss.
Konowl said:
I got mine up and running last night... created a 1 gig partition for data... data2ext is active, but my phone is now SLOW as molasses. SD card is Class 10 and tests on a computer reveal it to be fast.
I'm at a loss.
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The card probably doesn't handle small files very well. Class 4 seems to be the best bet for data2ext
You're kidding. Ugh! Maybe it was the method I used to format?
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The card probably doesn't handle small files very well. Class 4 seems to be the best bet for data2ext
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Seriously?
So are you using a class 4 with your own cm data2ext script and in ext2 or ext4?
Serious.. It is mentioned several times before by Blay0. Even a fast card will work very slow with data2ext. Why do you even need data2ext? Are you a developed? If not app2ad should beer enough for you... NInge really needs data to be on as i they are not often changing system files..
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Serious.. It is mentioned several times before by Blay0. Even a fast card will work very slow with data2ext. Why do you even need data2ext? Are you a developed? If not app2ad should beer enough for you... NInge really needs data to be on as i they are not often changing system files..
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easy man, i was just asking out of curiosity
i'm already using apps2ext and dont need data2ext, but it thought data2ext was slow on all card classes thats why i asked his setup just so i know
Hi,
Since this is a noob thread I'm feeling free to ask for help.
Somehow without any knowledge I've managed to Root my Legend, Flash roms numerous times, make my Legend S-Off, twig and play with different options like splash screen and all sorts of stuff that you need a bit or more of development knowledge. I'm a psychologist - I have no knowledge whatsoever.
Now that I've flashed ogo2's rom found here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=987251, I have cut down internal space to about 20MB+-.
I need help with this whole data2ext, ext2/ext4 and all the commands I've never met in earlier development stuff I've done to my Legend.
Where do I start? Is there anywhere I can read a noob guide for these issues?
Please help!
reupugi
edit: Oh I forgot - I have 8 GB class 4 card.
What help do you need? Understanding what it is and how it works? Or just setting it up.
Are you planning on using the data2ext found in my thread, or somewhere else?
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Hi TGF,
I need help mainly with setting it up. I have no intention learning developing through trying here and there to implement different things others created.
My intention was to use the data2ext you created.
At the moment I've changed back to the nightly builds of CM7 (currently #153), since I had sync problems with ogo2's ROM. So I'm not so pressured space wise, but I'll still be glad to go through with the Data2ext.
Thanx,
reupugi
Ok, well the guide in the first post covers most of it, is there a specific bit you're stuck on?
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It assumes I understand how to create ext2 or ext4, or to choose between the two. DO I have to backup my SD card when I create an ext2/4 partition?
Where do I use the commands in your post of data2ext?
reupugi said:
It assumes I understand how to create ext2 or ext4, or to choose between the two. DO I have to backup my SD card when I create an ext2/4 partition?
Where do I use the commands in your post of data2ext?
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You do need to backup your sd card, our you lose all your data. Rom manager has an option for creating ext partitions on your sd card, and I'd go for ext4, as it's safer. There's a section in that thread on upgrading from the ext2 version. Create your position with rom manager, then follow that section through. The commands can be executed on the phone using a terminal emulator, or from the pc using adb.
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Hi guys. I've reached my breaking point on the anemic app storage space on our handy dandy little device. So far I've avoided any real mods for this device because I didn't want to start a new habit of flashing on the regular (been there, done that, fun but sometimes time consuming). But right I can't install any large programs without having the constant low space message. So if the only real functionality I need is an extended app storage partition what method would be best to achieve that. Thanks in advance everyone.
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Hi guys. I've reached my breaking point on the anemic app storage space on our handy dandy little device. So far I've avoided any real mods for this device because I didn't want to start a new habit of flashing on the regular (been there, done that, fun but sometimes time consuming). But right I can't install any large programs without having the constant low space message. So if the only real functionality I need is an extended app storage partition what method would be best to achieve that. Thanks in advance everyone.
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I think there is only one way: Urukdroid.
I thinks its the only way to extend app partition Try it
Okay follow up question, should I then get a ne SD card as mine is only class 2, or should I install on internal. Pros?cons? Again thanks
dancnpete said:
Okay follow up question, should I then get a ne SD card as mine is only class 2, or should I install on internal. Pros?cons? Again thanks
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Install on sd card is better if you want more space on your tablet
But otherwise i prefer install on internal
There is a thread in here somewhere in which a fella found that gen8 devices keep a cache of old APK files. I cleared out that cache and it fixed all my maddening app storage problems. Look for that thread.
I tried finding the thread you mentioned with no luck, any idea what to search for?
I just spent a good 20 minutes searching and couldn't find it either.. weird. I'll see if I can't find the directory on my own when I get home.
Can you get a temp root? That's necessary.
Knowing there is an answer is half the battle.
I found .apk's in internal \Downloads directory and \system\APK. I didn't even have to use adb, just mounted the disks and used explorer.
I can confirm that deleting them doesn't hurt anything. However, there really wasn't that much and it didn't help my sort of storage issue.
I haven't tried this on my A101 yet, but Link2SD http://market.android.com/details?id=com.buak.Link2SD should work. You will have to create a second partition on your internal storage or SD card though.
My phone is NOT rooted.
Few days ago, it started saying not enough storage space, uninstall some programs, 200 mb left free.
First of all, i moved what can be moved from phone to SD, and actually i was already doing that since i bought the phone (2 months ago), and still it didn't help.
So i uninstalled programs which can't be moved from phone, cleared all cache and some data, and had 240 mb free.
Now it's back again to 188 mb free! And i calculated the sum of the downloaded programs and they don't get past 100 mb! I don't understand? Why a 2 GB memory get used up like that?
Further more, one of the programs i had was 7 mb, and when i uninstalled it, it freed only 1 mb!
Do these programs gather some data in a way that can't be deleted?
first of all, moving apps 2 sd does not really make sense. then, your 2gb data partition, that is meant for apps stays empty, while you waste space on your sdcard, which could be used for files of all sorts, like music, pictures and video.
since obviously, in your case, something went wrong, you should format the /data/ partition. without root privileges, it is not that easy to do though. apparently, you are not very attached to your apps' data, since you said you deleted most of that. if you have backed up everything else, like contacts, calendar and so on to your google account, make a backup of your sms and then the sdcard to your pc through usb and perform a full factory reset, then when you set up your phone, your apps will be downloaded again and should not waste as much space anymore.
My USB storage is 12 GB, and SD card is 32: i am not worried about that. Actually i prefer nothing to be on the 2 GB of system storage, even apps! I just don't understand: what eats up the root partition like that? I don't want it to happen again. I will do what you said, but i need to prevent this from happening again. You know what could have done this?
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My USB storage is 12 GB, and SD card is 32: i am not worried about that. Actually i prefer nothing to be on the 2 GB of system storage, even apps! I just don't understand: what eats up the root partition like that? I don't want it to happen again. I will do what you said, but i need to prevent this from happening again. You know what could have done this?
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Perusing your past posts, it appears you have an I9100G.
This may be of some interest to you. You will need root in order to even see if this is your problem, though; not to mention in order to implement the workaround presented in that thread.
why in the world would you want the 2gb data partition to be empty. it is on the same physical internal sdcard as the 12gb partition?
Chef_Tony said:
why in the world would you want the 2gb data partition to be empty. it is on the same physical internal sdcard as the 12gb partition?
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No no! I am not partitioning anything! The phone's settings are this way!? The internal memory is: 2 GB system memory: which has the system files, which are full and i can't access these 2 GB because they are system storage and i am not rooted, and 14 GB called "USB" Storage. I didn't do this partition. And i want to keep these 2 GB free for system only, not even apps or anything.
Edit: sorry i thought the thread was irrelevant, but it is relevant. But i don't understand: that dump file, what does it do? I am not following what thy are saying? Also i have another problem: I don't know how to back up my phone while Kies and my PC both utterly refuse to recognize my phone. I gave up on them. It's useless.
MagnumJoe said:
No no! I am not partitioning anything! The phone's settings are this way!? The internal memory is: 2 GB system memory: which has the system files, which are full and i can't access these 2 GB because they are system storage and i am not rooted, and 14 GB called "USB" Storage. I didn't do this partition. And i want to keep these 2 GB free for system only, not even apps or anything.
Edit: sorry i thought the thread was irrelevant, but it is relevant. But i don't understand: that dump file, what does it do? I am not following what thy are saying? Also i have another problem: I don't know how to back up my phone while Kies and my PC both utterly refuse to recognize my phone. I gave up on them. It's useless.
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The issues are related. The dump file being generated is saved to the /data partition, which is part of the 2gb system storage. This is what is eating up your space in the 2gb. The 2gb is for system apps, installed apps, etc. The dump file is more or less an error log dump. It is supposed to stay relatively small, but on some versions of GB for the i9100G, this for some strange reason (that I don't know, since I don't have an i9100G) grows erroneously large.
The workaround detailed in the thread I linked above is to remove execute permissions from the dumpstate file. This has the effect of the system being unable to create the wifi dump file, thus no longer eating up the space on that 2gb partition.
ctomgee said:
The issues are related. The dump file being generated is saved to the /data partition, which is part of the 2gb system storage. This is what is eating up your space in the 2gb. The 2gb is for system apps, installed apps, etc. The dump file is more or less an error log dump. It is supposed to stay relatively small, but on some versions of GB for the i9100G, this for some strange reason (that I don't know, since I don't have an i9100G) grows erroneously large.
The workaround detailed in the thread I linked above is to remove execute permissions from the dumpstate file. This has the effect of the system being unable to create the wifi dump file, thus no longer eating up the space on that 2gb partition.
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Read only, either by adb or terminal. Now what? That G variation should be burned alive! I found the dump files, they are text logs for god's sake! And they are freaking huuuge! What the hell?
MagnumJoe said:
Read only, either by adb or terminal. Now what? That G variation should be burned alive! I found the dump files, they are text logs for god's sake! And they are freaking huuuge! What the hell?
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From my post above. (post 4)
ctomgee said:
Perusing your past posts, it appears you have an I9100G.
This may be of some interest to you. You will need root in order to even see if this is your problem, though; not to mention in order to implement the workaround presented in that thread.
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So if you see the file, I can only assume you are rooted? Then delete the file.
Follow directions in the linked thread to prevent further dump files from being created.
ctomgee said:
From my post above. (post 4)
So if you see the file, I can only assume you are rooted? Then delete the file.
Follow directions in the linked thread to prevent further dump files from being created.
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Ummm... I deleted the dumpstate file, and then when i do the adb trick or the terminal one, it says: Bad mode?
MagnumJoe said:
Ummm... I deleted the dumpstate file, and then when i do the adb trick or the terminal one, it says: Bad mode?
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It really says "Bad mode"?
I take it you read post 10 of the thread I linked above?
If you are having issues with adb, then use option c from that post. You need to mount /system as R/W before you will be allowed to change permissions on the dumpstate file though.
EDIT: wait a sec. You actually DELETED the /system/bin/dumpstate file? Well, I wouldn't have done that, but that should also solve your problem, since now the file just doesn't exist, so no more dump files will get generated. It also would probably be the reason you can't change permissions on that file. Since you deleted it, it doesn't exist anymore, so you can no longer change permissions on it. ( :facepalm: )
The file(s) I was telling you to delete was whatever wifi dump files were in /data. NOT the /system/bin/dumpstate file. I was saying you just needed to remove execute permission from that file so it would be unable to generate any more dump files.
ctomgee said:
It really says "Bad mode"?
I take it you read post 10 of the thread I linked above?
If you are having issues with adb, then use option c from that post. You need to mount /system as R/W before you will be allowed to change permissions on the dumpstate file though.
EDIT: wait a sec. You actually DELETED the /system/bin/dumpstate file? Well, I wouldn't have done that, but that should also solve your problem, since now the file just doesn't exist, so no more dump files will get generated. It also would probably be the reason you can't change permissions on that file. Since you deleted it, it doesn't exist anymore, so you can no longer change permissions on it. ( :facepalm: )
The file(s) I was telling you to delete was whatever wifi dump files were in /data. NOT the /system/bin/dumpstate file. I was saying you just needed to remove execute permission from that file so it would be unable to generate any more dump files.
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Oh! I misunderstood you. No of course i tried this adb thing before deleting it. And it said bad mode. Then i deleted it. Isn't this a file to give the command of making these dump files about wifi error? To hell with it! What would i do with that anyway? Nothing wrong will happen. It's like ending the dumprep.exe process on windows xp. And by the way, even when i did the R/W thing, it still said that the file is Read only, and i can't access its permissions. That I9100G is a pain in the freaking a$$: it always needs a "special" kind of everything!
Thank you very much anyway for your help That was too the point and very professional It's sure that you will have my thanks.
MagnumJoe said:
No no! I am not partitioning anything! The phone's settings are this way!? The internal memory is: 2 GB system memory: which has the system files, which are full and i can't access these 2 GB because they are system storage and i am not rooted, and 14 GB called "USB" Storage. I didn't do this partition. And i want to keep these 2 GB free for system only, not even apps or anything.
Edit: sorry i thought the thread was irrelevant, but it is relevant. But i don't understand: that dump file, what does it do? I am not following what thy are saying? Also i have another problem: I don't know how to back up my phone while Kies and my PC both utterly refuse to recognize my phone. I gave up on them. It's useless.
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the entire storage inside the phone is one 16GB sd card which is built into the phone. there are different partitions on there:
your system is on the 1GB partition /system/, your rom, your system apps and settings are stored there.
then there is a 2GB partition /data/, that is exclusively for user installed apps and their data, from the play store for instance.
there are some other minor partitions and then there is about 12GB of "usb storage", shown as /sdcard/.
if you don't use the /data/ partition for apps, it will remain entirely empty and unused. and in the last sentence of the first paragraph you state you want it for the system, but that does not work, the /system/ partition will always be 1GB and not use /data/.
Another reason I asked and informed you of the fact that it is the same card is, some people think, app2sd is faster, or slower or makes any difference whatsoever to the system, but it is the same card, same speed, only that app2sd wastes space.
i know, this still does not do anything about your problem, but is meant purely for your information, so in the future you can make an informed decision, where what data goes and that you should use the data partition.
i currently have 130 apps installed (some of which are games of >40MB), all internally and use 1GB of the /data/ partition, at the most i had 340 apps (most of them rather small though) and it still was not full.
I'm running Liquid Smoth 3.1, and noticed the internal memory (for apps and such) is separated from the internal SD. Can we increase the internal memory allocation? I don't recall if this was common or not before I installed the ROM.
Still no solution found...
pm2gonzales said:
I'm running Liquid Smoth 3.1, and noticed the internal memory (for apps and such) is separated from the internal SD. Can we increase the internal memory allocation? I don't recall if this was common or not before I installed the ROM.
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This is how old Samsung used as a separated partition(2GB/Remaining space) structure.
I could confirm that newer models only have one partition.
I had researched days of searches and still did NOT find confirmed easy solutions like flashing ZIP files.
(My research -> Link)
I REALLY DO wish someone could guide me a solution to repartition as one total 16GB(Like newer Galaxy)
or expending 2GB system partition to any bigger size.
I still did NOT find the solution and still looking.
The only last method I did not try - Working with ADB command which I need to consider to brick my phone.
But this is my primary phone that I use.
Even worse, KitKat ROM(I am using beanStalk ver 4.4.4001) does not allow to use App2SD function.
I have to manage all of my apps+data+decent space within 2 GB limitation even if I have 11GB available
space as an Internal Storage (NOT External SD).
Hope it helps and let you know you are in same boat with me.
Once again, I wish there is an easy solution who could help us!
Any Update??
HI, has anyone found a solution? ty
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This is how old Samsung used as a separated partition(2GB/Remaining space) structure.
I could confirm that newer models only have one partition.
I had researched days of searches and still did NOT find confirmed easy solutions like flashing ZIP files.
(My research -> Link)
I REALLY DO wish someone could guide me a solution to repartition as one total 16GB(Like newer Galaxy)
or expending 2GB system partition to any bigger size.
I still did NOT find the solution and still looking.
The only last method I did not try - Working with ADB command which I need to consider to brick my phone.
But this is my primary phone that I use.
Even worse, KitKat ROM(I am using beanStalk ver 4.4.4001) does not allow to use App2SD function.
I have to manage all of my apps+data+decent space within 2 GB limitation even if I have 11GB available
space as an Internal Storage (NOT External SD).
Hope it helps and let you know you are in same boat with me.
Once again, I wish there is an easy solution who could help us!
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hi,
I flashed xiaomi.eu rom on mido of my uncle, it shows around 25gb of usable storage space.. is this correct?
on my redmi note 3 with slimrom I got 29gb free.
second question .. I flash the rom in twrp and wanted to delete the rom file after that. but I just can't find it? might it be that this file still uses space?
In the 32gb storage, system, data, and other things use it also. It's not only the space for media etc... And don't even compare other devices, because they are all different with different size ROM's etc..
Here it is lol i have only 1.5 gb left
Anyone know why if we install a custom rom, it's still missing 6GB that goes to "System"? I get around 24-25GB after installing RR.
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Anyone know why if we install a custom rom, it's still missing 6GB that goes to "System"? I get around 24-25GB after installing RR.
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Install the app "DiskInfo" and it will show you how much space has been allocated to each partition. On mine (Slim) the system partition is 3GB, and the data partition is 24GB.
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Install the app "DiskInfo" and it will show you how much space has been allocated to each partition. On mine (Slim) the system partition is 3GB, and the data partition is 24GB.
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Yes, mine is similar, but there's missing space. There's still 5GB that's "System" but we can't use it and it's not being used by the ROM. Should be leftover from MIUI. Trying to figure out how to get back that space.. because 32GB isn't really that great when it's really 27GB (then less system, giving 22GB usable).
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Yes, mine is similar, but there's missing space. There's still 5GB that's "System" but we can't use it and it's not being used by the ROM. Should be leftover from MIUI. Trying to figure out how to get back that space.. because 32GB isn't really that great when it's really 27GB (then less system, giving 22GB usable).
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I am not sure why the space is not being recovered. Perhaps if you posted a screenshot of your disk map, as reported by DiskInfo, someone might be able to give helpful tips.
On the other hand, you can try installing Slim. It might well recover some of that space for you. I went from stock miui to MultiPro, to OctOS, to Slim. Clearly, somewhere along the line, something recovered all my space for me. By the way, when I refer to installing Slim, I mean a clean flash.
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I am not sure why the space is not being recovered. Perhaps if you posted a screenshot of your disk map, as reported by DiskInfo, someone might be able to give helpful tips.
On the other hand, you can try installing Slim. It might well recover some of that space for you. I went from stock miui to MultiPro, to OctOS, to Slim. Clearly, somewhere along the line, something recovered all my space for me. By the way, when I refer to installing Slim, I mean a clean flash.
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So, I ran Disk Info (thanks btw, great app) and I'm thinking the problem is the TMPFS mounts that are taking 2x1.5GB = 3GB away. Everything else looks normal. 3GB system, 24GB user.
strifej said:
So, I ran Disk Info (thanks btw, great app) and I'm thinking the problem is the TMPFS mounts that are taking 2x1.5GB = 3GB away. Everything else looks normal. 3GB system, 24GB user.
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No, that is not a problem. Everything looks as it should be (exactly the same on mine). I wouldn't worry if I were you. But if you want to try something else, then perhaps you can try cleaning your installed system with SD Maid. It is likely to recover some space from app corpses, etc.