Hey, haven't used XDA in too long, been busy.
Just a quick query. I have an internet package with EE PAYG. It is "unlimited" data, in the sense that it is unthrottled up until a 4GB usage, to which it is then slowed to an average of 60kbps download speed. However, this doesn't apply to YouTube? Even when the throttle is applied, videos will stream at around 2Mbps download speed, whilst everything else is throttled?
My question is, is there any way to convert this to every other internet usage? It seems backwards to me that YouTube, above everything, is unthrottled whilst even light web browsing is? Anyways, I would love to find a way to convert this to everything - especially Wi-Fi tethering if possible.
Thanks, and don't shoot me if i posted in the wrong area!
-Riku
Strike_Riku said:
Hey, haven't used XDA in too long, been busy.
Just a quick query. I have an internet package with EE PAYG. It is "unlimited" data, in the sense that it is unthrottled up until a 4GB usage, to which it is then slowed to an average of 60kbps download speed. However, this doesn't apply to YouTube? Even when the throttle is applied, videos will stream at around 2Mbps download speed, whilst everything else is throttled?
My question is, is there any way to convert this to every other internet usage? It seems backwards to me that YouTube, above everything, is unthrottled whilst even light web browsing is? Anyways, I would love to find a way to convert this to everything - especially Wi-Fi tethering if possible.
Thanks, and don't shoot me if i posted in the wrong area!
-Riku
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That is a tough thing to explain via a text but, It's all based on how and where the data is being steered by the app and what other resources it may be using.
With the right Dev, yes it can be possible but, not an easy task to accomplish.
I understand it in general but, actually getting it done is a completely different thing.
As a starter, maybe if you look for something similar in nature to this and asking that Dev.
Just throwing out an idea...
Good Luck!
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Because Youtube (and other Google sites) uses Experimental QUIC protocol (Over UDP) and not the traditional TCP connection. It may be interfering with your network's limiter.
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I have DCDs, 3.2.5 rom on my Titan. Everythings fine, only question is do I really have RevA enabled? I do no see it listed under data parameters in ESPT.
Only see Packet Dial String line item. nothing else....
that's a question i wouldn't even ask, i trust DCD is a genius and wouldn't forget such an important detail in any of his fine quality roms
Yes, he is. I
Yes he is, i was not taking a negative posture, just a curious one. My download testings are around 600-700 kbps. then i read threads regarding enabling and or disabling rev-a in espt. Also i wondered if windows mobile produces a special icon on my home screen when in evdo rev-a. I am semi novice and am only seeing if im missing something. I also read, as of July 31st, all Verizon markets are 100% Rev-A, so maybe i am connected at those possible data rates and don't know it.
Use your phone and goto mobilespeedtest.com, run the test and see what it says.....
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Use your phone and goto mobilespeedtest.com, run the test and see what it says.....
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I've decided that that is a poor way to gauge Rev A speeds
When I had the latest DCD rom installed, I used those mobile tests to test Rev A and in my area consistently got speeds in excess of 600kbps.
Now I have the stock ROM and still, at times, get speeds in excess of 600kbps
So unless you are telling me the stock rom has RevA enabled but "they" are keeping that quiet, I wouldnt trust those mobile speed sites to be accurate reflections of whether you have RevA or not
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Use your phone and goto mobilespeedtest.com, run the test and see what it says.....
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just ran speedtests there and get a constant 1.37mbps-1.48mbps average
updated to newest dcd rom
Its the upload speed which will tell you if you are in a rev.A area or market. Over ~115 kbps upload is rev.a. Otherwise you are trying to look at cell tower traffic limitations. I get ~800k at noon and almost 2200k at midnight, but upload speeds stay around 300k regardles of time. thats out of the theoretical limit of rev.0
you wont see revA listed in the data parameters until VZ releases their update containing RevA. until then, its not official.
hmmm i was getting only 376Kbps when it was set to disable and now i get 1.68Mbps when its set to enable...
3.42.50radio
dcd 3.2.5 rom
rev A speeds
what do you enable to get the revA speeds?
I am on the 3.2.3 rom and the .3 radio.
I just ran "mobilespeedtest" and got 645.3 kps.
What am I doing wrong?
i just tried this myself..
go into settins/connections/.. click on connections.. manage existing connections.. select data network (#777).. click edit.. click next.. click next again..
under username: Yourphone#@vzw3g.com
pasword: vzw
click finish...
my download speed from mobilespeedtest.com was 600Kbps..
now its 1.4Mbps
hopw this helps
what the heck?
When I run mobilespeedtest, it consistently shows that my current bandwidth reading is between 165 and 200 Mbps. It says I can download at 20-25 MB/sec from their site.
I don't believe these numbers. What is wrong?
ryano2121 said:
When I run mobilespeedtest, it consistently shows that my current bandwidth reading is between 165 and 200 Mbps. It says I can download at 20-25 MB/sec from their site.
I don't believe these numbers. What is wrong?
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I think their numbers are a bit high, I use http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and get about half but I also finally turned off active sync so it has free reign on the connection.
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I think their numbers are a bit high, I use http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and get about half but I also finally turned off active sync so it has free reign on the connection.
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There also seems to be a huge difference between the speeds using Opera Mini and PIE using www.mobilespeedtest.com. So which are we to believe is the correct speed?
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There also seems to be a huge difference between the speeds using Opera Mini and PIE using www.mobilespeedtest.com. So which are we to believe is the correct speed?
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The problem is that some of those speeds you are getting are based on the processing time of the browser and not the true connection speed.
The best test to run is strictly a "text only" type of test as that does not require a lot of browser processing power to display the information. That will give you a more accurate reflection of the actual connection speed. Run an image test to see what your actual browsing speed is going to be.
However, "true connection speed" is kind of subjective since some people count only the actual connection speed, while others count the browser processing speed since that is what it also takes to display images.
Another problem is that the speeds displayed are typically those when connecting to the sites servers and dont accurately reflect typical internet browsing. Hence, its a good idea to run a few tests from a few different sites and then take an average to find your speed.
mobilespeedtest.com seems to give some consistent speeds for me:
using Pocket IE
732 kps
928 kps
838 kps
932 kps
using Opera Mini
2.5 Mps
2.1 Mps
1.5 Mps
dslreports = 905kbit/sec for the 1MB file.
mobilespeedtest = 932.10kbps
I am seeing similar results as Nitro - around 930kbps
Never use Opera Mini to test speed. When you load a page in Opera Mini, the page is actually rendered on their servers first, then it is relayed to your phone. That's what makes it load so fast.
When you run a speed test with Opera Mini, you're not seeing your actual throughput.
What you see in PIE is your actual throughput.
i've searched and searched and can't find a related post to my problem. I have a CDMA touch pro (obviously) running merdins newest (i think) rom and i've tried three different radios. i connect my phone via usb using ICS hacks and using WMWifirouter my connection seems to work great. I go to speedtest.xxx whatever the one is that everyone posts the picture with and i get speeds from anywhere from 1000kb and 1200kb. That seems like the average most people also get, but when i download anything i can only seem to reach 100to 150kb pretty steadily. I also use a download manager sometimes and that has an automatic speed regulator and it shows my max bandwith available and that jumps between an average of 700kb to 1200kb but never gets under 500kb. Now i know its not the sites i'm downloading from because when i am d/ling anything i my surfing is very very very slow so i'm obviously using all the bandwith available. Now is this normal due to it being a cell connection?? if it is than i don't understand why everyone posts their phones internet speed because i could do the same when i know i'm only getting 150kb or so, or is it an issue that other people have and is fixable. ohh and i also had the same issue using the wifi connection thats why i began to use the usb because i thought it might be faster. sorry for the super long message but i would appreciate any help, thankx
ohh i forgot
i don't know if it makes a diff but my service is through sprint. thankx again
EDIT: first off i didn't realize that i could edit my old post instead of making a new one. (i'm new at forums)
for everyone who wasted time to read my thread sorry. i think i figured it out. the speed tests are in kilobits not bytes and that is the issue. i guess i just thought my service should be faster. i've read posts of people claiming to get download speeds of about 300kbs. Still if anyone knows how to increase my speed please let me know. thanks
I'm sorry if this has already been discussed in the Thunderbolt forums but I did a search and could only find posts in other phone specific forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=940190
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=943171
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=937925&highlight=throttle
I have LTE turned on in my area and when I use my wireless tether for root users I get awesome speeds between 2-3MBps but after about 150-200MB downloaded those speeds immediately drop off to just 10-20k or so. Now I rarely go over the 5GB soft cap and even when I do it's only by a few hundred MBs. Is there some sort of throttling going on and any way to stop it?
It has been discussed actually (and with that application), but anyways, at least you tried
Assuming your speeds are bad due to one application isnt exactly a very good test (more so since you did not say what version of the application you are running since that could matter). If you want to be certain, try internet connection mode via usb and download a test file from a location around you, such as from one of these data centers http://www.linode.com/speedtest/ and watch the speed. Doing that, you can eliminate plenty of variables, like the wifi connection on either end acting up for whatever reason and the application.
If it stays constant, then it's the app. If it doesn't, well that's not a 100% indication either. LTE is unstable speeds will fluctuate. If you're only testing from one location, that's not a very good conclusion either.
Whenever you have a problem, try to go through the total process of elimination only focusing on one variable at a time and try to keep everything else the same. Most likely it's you or the current setup on your phone or the application, not verizon. How do I know this? Because many have downloaded way more than you have and haven't been throttled (just from people I know locally with an LTE enabled phone).
Exusting all possible outcomes is a much better conclusion than wildly guessing you are being throttled though.
Another way you can test directly on your phone:
1) open up the terminal
2) type the 3 lines below: (downloads a file, gets the time it took and then removes it after)
cd /mnt/sdcard
time wget http://207.192.68.6/100MB-newark.bin
rm 100MB-newark.bin
*if the above doesn't work, then you need busybox, but nearly every rom/kernel has it that's not stock, so you should by default, have it. If not, search in the market for busybox installer. The reason you see an ip there is wget doesnt play well with hostnames on the android due to the way it resolves domains and busybox generally being statically linked. If you want to try another url, you have to get the ip like above (you can do that by pinging the hostname on your phone).
3)Note "real" the time it took in seconds and divide 100 by that to get Megabytes per second (MBps not Mbps) or by 102400 to get Kilobytes per second (I suppose you could get Megabits, but that's a pretty pointless measurement other than making your connection look fast compared to saying bytes, since your files all appear in bytes and browser downloads show in bytes). If you really care about mbps, multiple what you did above already by 8.
4) when it finishes you have an answer totally on your phone alone.
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I'm sorry if this has already been discussed in the Thunderbolt forums but I did a search and could only find posts in other phone specific forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=940190
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=943171
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=937925&highlight=throttle
I have LTE turned on in my area and when I use my wireless tether for root users I get awesome speeds between 2-3MBps but after about 150-200MB downloaded those speeds immediately drop off to just 10-20k or so. Now I rarely go over the 5GB soft cap and even when I do it's only by a few hundred MBs. Is there some sort of throttling going on and any way to stop it?
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I believe there is a problem with the "Wireless Tether" app. I don't think it plays well with the 4G, this could be a reason for it. Have you tried used the "Mobile Hotspot" app, that comes with the phone? Do you get the same results?
I have also used the stock mobile hotspot app as well as tether via usb and get the same result. For clarification... I am downloading large files (500mb or larger) from a work server so I know that it's a problem on my phone end and not a problem on the server end. I can be on my home computer and download the files and never drop below 5MBps download the whole time... usually never drop below 10MBps to be honest.
Android police says that the way wireless tether works.. there is no way to tell if you're tethering or not without digging deep into packets.. deep enough that it would be invasion of privacy
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/04/27/psa-take-it-easy-att-isnt-targeting-unauthorized-android-tethering-and-may-never/
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Android police says that the way wireless tether works.. there is no way to tell if you're tethering or not without digging deep into packets.. deep enough that it would be invasion of privacy
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...unauthorized-android-tethering-and-may-never/
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That's all good and well but there is definitely something going on here. I've run the same test same file all 3 ways once every 4 hours since my first post and at about 150-200mb downloaded my speeds drop to almost non existent and the same goes for files downloaded from Microsoft and Google among others. Downloading the same file from my home internet does not see this slow down at all. I've even tried letting it run for over an hour like that to see if it was something temporary. It seems to stay throttled down till I've let the phone sit for a few hours without using any data then kicks back up to normal speeds until I restart another large download.
Is there any way to do a more controlled experiment to see if I'm crazy, unique or what?
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That's all good and well but there is definitely something going on here. I've run the same test same file all 3 ways once every 4 hours since my first post and at about 150-200mb downloaded my speeds drop to almost non existent and the same goes for files downloaded from Microsoft and Google among others. Downloading the same file from my home internet does not see this slow down at all. I've even tried letting it run for over an hour like that to see if it was something temporary. It seems to stay throttled down till I've let the phone sit for a few hours without using any data then kicks back up to normal speeds until I restart another large download.
Is there any way to do a more controlled experiment to see if I'm crazy, unique or what?
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yeah...backup your current rom, flash and restore your phone back to near stock (still rooted) and try without any meddling (custom stuff) http://www.multiupload.com/26WG1UZCXR http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1009423
you also never mentioned what android version and rom you are currently using. if it's anything other than froyo, that could be your problem since nothing else is anywhere as stable (by stable, i dont mean "oh it works" i mean as in tested throughly and was put out for non testing release).
Though the above suggestions stated above likely are the culprit, and will help you...there is also a chance that you are indeed being throttled occasionally. Infact, I'm sure we all have been. Verizon has several manned data centers throughout the state who monitor all the traffic happening, and can, and will, activately manupulate the speeds, thoroughput, etc depending on how conjestion things are. And yes, they can even pinpoint it on an individual level...though they rarely do that, tending to focus on what's happening on a more macro level.
I actually wasn't even aware of this until recently, but some guy who worked at Verizon who was also in school for that sort of thing let it slip when we started chatting for a second, to which he received a scathing look from the ***** manager, so that ended the conversation.
I was running DasBAMF 1.6.3 and I did return to stock without root this morning to try it out that way as well and I'm still seeing the same results.
ignitros said:
I was running DasBAMF 1.6.3 and I did return to stock without root this morning to try it out that way as well and I'm still seeing the same results.
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Find someone else with a 4g device and have them download next to you at the same time. Only other option I can think of doing.
I'll try that.
Update:
I got with a few friends and tried a few different things. 3 people with Thunderbolts and 2 with Droid Charge. 2 in Seattle and 3 in Spokane. The Thunderbolts rooted and running DasBAMF 1.6.3 and the Charges fully stock. We tried the download using 3 methods for the TBolt's (wireless tether for root, mobile hotspot and USB tether) and the Charges used the mobile hotspot.
We all downloaded the same files. A 512mb video file, 400mb zipped picture file and a 300mb document file.
My Seattle friends who have had the "official" 4G LTE launch had no issues downloading at all... 1 TBolt and 1 Charge. Download went smoothly and never throttled down at all.
All 3 of us here in Spokane saw the same throttling going on. Could this be more an effect of LTE not being "officially" deployed in Spokane yet? It's not supposed to be officially launched till June 19th but we've been able to access it for several weeks now.
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All 3 of us here in Spokane saw the same throttling going on. Could this be more an effect of LTE not being "officially" deployed in Spokane yet? It's not supposed to be officially launched till June 19th but we've been able to access it for several weeks now.
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I would say that's a possibility. I get around 130 kbit/sec down, and LTE was officially launched here in december but only at our airport. I've been checking for nearly two weeks now and it's stayed the same. the upload is normal, was 3.5mbit/sec today.
This is all good to know. I'll be in Seattle next week for work. Can't wait to have 4G for a week
I got my Note three days ago and I'm at 600Mb data usage.
Of course I've been setting it up but decided to look at the usage.
All the big Mb listings are "Sent"
They all look like this
03/27 08:28 PM pta Internet/MEdia Net Sent 128291KB
That particular one was right when I got the phone.
Last night there was one at 11:33pm for 24mB
I was asleep.....but had the phone charging so Data was turned on....
Anything 'received' is small. So I don't understand why apps arent showing up....
I checked mail,etc and there is nothing that warrants a 24Mb upload that I can tell.
Any ideas? How could I find out within my phone?
Thanks
One of your gapps could have updated or the yellow pages app. Tgats what happened to me i had mine for 3 days as well
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That's pretty scary - especially w/ the throttling cap looming! If you find out what is going on, please share.
The data usage report doesn't happen to be in a different time-zone, does it? (11:33p actually being your 9:33p or something)
Ok just uninstalled yellow pages.
Even if the time is off I haven't sent anything that big.
Actually nothing but texts, text emails and maybe one pic.
That 126mb is ridiculous. I can understand some syncing at first startup but that much????
I would also expect a lot more as 'receive' because i had to download all my apps.
I know last night I downloaded one of the s pen apps that was 30mb and that doesn't show up.
Does 'sent' really mean 'receive' as most of us would perceive?
But that was many hours before that date stamp. BTW the texts I got match up with the times posted so it's not off.
The only thing 'good' about this is they put me on this month's cycle. So I have 3gb til sunday
Hence the reason I downloaded that 30mb app through LTE (which by the way showed no status, it was just bam! ----installing! LOVE IT)
The reason I got to looking was I was curious about how much data speedtest.net uses each time. Attached is the one from this morning (Beautiful!)
But it never showed up on my data usage.....
8o lucky haha
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I went ahead and called....
It seems they aren't really sure about these things.
It took awhile and they still seem a bit foggy on how this works.
PTA is supposedly a generic input for LTE data usage.
I had to google that to find out, not the tech support person.
I asked why it says 'sent' and why it did it when I was asleep.
After talking to the manager, the best answer they gave me was that each 'session' will compile the data then once it's over send it up.
So 'sent' means what I downloaded...go figure.
I still thought it was excessive despite downloading apps etc.
I can't get back on my VZW account (they waste no time kicking you off) but I had checked and I was only using 2Gb/month consistently.
I downloaded a data tracker app and then downloaded a 30mb app from the market. It recorded that just fine.
I use Dolphin Browser HD and went to www.androidcentral.com which has all sorts of graphics. I have the user set to 'desktop' so it's the full version webpage, just like i had it on my tbolt. That page was 3Mb!! So I opened the stock browser and did the same thing....3Mb....
If browsing the internet chews this much I'm screwed. I think my phone might be measuring data strangely or I would have seen massive usage on VZW. I went back to check because I wanted to know if it was 20Gb instead of 2Gb but that's highly unlikely.
My next step is to have a friend who has the tbolt on VZW and LTE to do the same thing and see if it records 3Mb.
I don't want to be a slave to watching my data consumption......
If anyone that uses LTE could check their data usage it would be good to see if you get PTA as a line item with some high hits....
Similar situation. I got the Note just over a month ago. While on my Evo3D and Evo 4G, I never went over 2GB, even though I watched tons of youtube in HQ, tethered, and surfed a lot of internet. My first month with AT&T, I almost hit the 3GB cap within the first 2 weeks with pretty much the same useage(actually probably less useage). Not sure if I have a rogue app somewhere.
I had a friend on Tmobile 4G (sensation) do the same thing and his 1.5Mb to my 3Mb. I also had VZW LTE (tbolt) do the same and his was about 3Mb.
Now that's not a very good test actually. I guess I need to find a web page with an exact Mb size.
After downloading the data usage app I can see the main hogs. I watched a youtube video through Dolphin and it jumped 40Mb....
Just browsing through the market will gobble some up and of course downloading apps. The apps seem 1 for 1 meaning its the same size. I don't know if there is something else when streaming data or browsing data.
Anroid OS + others is also a main chunk
I was happy to see my email and texting apps don't use diddly squat....
I took a screenshot of the data use. this is just this afternoon and while I was working. The 'Web' is the default browser loading one page....
Basically, I should use wifi for downloading apps and watching videos....sucks.
I never worried about it on my Tbolt and was grandfathered unlimited but for whatever reason it didn't chew that kind of data up.
The whole reason I started looking was to see how much data the speedtest uses. Now I know. Each test is 19mb.so I guess I wont do those any more.....basically the 3gb plan means 100mb a day....
Do you guys send /receive mms at all? I think that counts but not sure
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Well tracking usage from 1pm on I used 100Mb with my internet browser.
It just seems excessive.....I'm really wondering if there is an LTE calculation in there....
Just to come to XDA straight to the NOTE main forum, then this subforum and then to this thread is 1.5Mb
I like to constantly poke in to my favorite websites throughout the day. Now this is going to make me hesitant and that ruins the experience.
I'll defintely only download files and apps via wifi or computer.
Opera mini compresses the data on their side before it gets to the phone, reducing data consumption on your plan.
I think it's Opera mini...you have to read the descriptions of their two browsers to make sure.
Hey,
So I'm actually so excited, because i am about the get the s3..
But theres one more thing i want to find about before jumping in. Im going to get it on a contract and i need some tips on the bundle i should be looking for. How much data usage is going to be enough for me? Im going to use wifi like 90% of the time, but im just curious of how much data would the s3 use. Like browsing facebook, twitter, xda-forums, youtube maybe? perhaps gps now and then? How much data do these use? I dont want to do anything major over 3G just the most common surfs really.
Would 200 or 500Mb be enough?
i wouldn't go less than 500mb. You wouldn't want to be constantly looking at your data usage worrying that you go over.
Hi,
Route66 navigation software uses around 50mb of data for a 7 hours trip.
On holidays, I have used maybe 2.5Gb of data on 2 weeks. But I was tethering and streamed a lot from my home.
On normal use (email, browsing, a little play, updating greader), I think it's around 15-20mb a day.
If u got wifi at home and seldom go out then 500mb is enough for u.
If not 2Gb is enuf.
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I got 'All You Can Eat' data plan with 3 UK, reading the small print, their fair use policy is about 100GB a month :good:
From the 3 UK website - 'Even if you used your phone for every minute of every day you could only possibly use, subject to traffic management requirements and policy, up to 1000GB each month. So in a sense, there is a data limit of up to 1000GB, which is based on what you can physically use.'
Just for the doubters out there.