Hibernate and aggressive doze - Greenify

I'm using CM13 and new to using Greenify as I just bought the donation package but have some questions that I'm not sure about.
1. I have instant messaging apps (Whatsapp and WeChat) and games on my phone, when I finish using the app, I press the home button and have them running in the background, does that uses more battery or do I need to add the apps to the hibernation list?
2. Should I use hibernate or shallow hibernation as I switched from iPhone to OnePlus 3 and on the iPhone when I reopen the app, it will return to where I left it.
3. I have enabled aggressive doze so that it will go to sleep mode when the screen is off, will I get delay Whatsapp and Wechat messages or do I need to add it to the whitelist so notifications comes instantly when I receive them?
Many thanks!

Lither said:
I'm using CM13 and new to using Greenify as I just bought the donation package but have some questions that I'm not sure about.
1. I have instant messaging apps (Whatsapp and WeChat) and games on my phone, when I finish using the app, I press the home button and have them running in the background, does that uses more battery or do I need to add the apps to the hibernation list?
2. Should I use hibernate or shallow hibernation as I switched from iPhone to OnePlus 3 and on the iPhone when I reopen the app, it will return to where I left it.
3. I have enabled aggressive doze so that it will go to sleep mode when the screen is off, will I get delay Whatsapp and Wechat messages or do I need to add it to the whitelist so notifications comes instantly when I receive them?
Many thanks!
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1. Any app which is not greenified will run in the background once it is opened and then dismissed by the Home button. As far as the IM apps are concerned, the advice of the Dev is not to greenify them if you rely on them. However, some people have successfully greenified those IM apps which use GCM without issues but some others complain of delayed notifications. So it may be better not to greenify them if you rely on them. Of course they will consume more battery since they are running in the background.
2. If you want iPhone like behaviour, use shallow hibernation. Otherwise, the apps will start afresh.
3. It is better to add such apps to the white list.

i could be wrong.... but i noticed that most of the times aggressive doze does NOT exted the real battery life...... maybe it COULD extend it if you do not touch the phone for long periods like 2...4 hours at time, but if you make a normal usage of the phone i suspect that activating and deactivating doze is DRAINING more battery than it tries to save!!!
.........any other though?

realista87 said:
i could be wrong.... but i noticed that most of the times aggressive doze does NOT exted the real battery life...... maybe it COULD extend it if you do not touch the phone for long periods like 2...4 hours at time, but if you make a normal usage of the phone i suspect that activating and deactivating doze is DRAINING more battery than it tries to save!!!
.........any other though?
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Similar observation on battery savings. In most cases any power related benefits of aggressive doze are wiped out when the device wakes from its comma and performs a bunch of 'catch up' tasks. Such behavior can lead to lag immediately after wake which is a common complaint associated with aggressive doze. That said, aggressive doze may have other situational benefits...especially over longer durations. As always YMMV.

yes, i think about a person who does pick up the phone just every 4...5 hour at day because it is not important (for him) to always check the latest messages, and in that condition it could be useful the aggressive doze.
i even noticed that to disable the movement sensors is NOT a great thing...... of course great if someone is in car or moving everytime but it has the CON of turning on/off the brightness sensor of the phone and at every display power on the phone lags for 1/2 seconds.
i must admit that in the last years i've always used aggressivedoze/ or naptime and greenified lots of apps but i should reconsider the fact to UNinstall all....... and see if the battery life is really worse or not.

realista87 said:
yes, i think about a person who does pick up the phone just every 4...5 hour at day because it is not important (for him) to always check the latest messages, and in that condition it could be useful the aggressive doze.
i even noticed that to disable the movement sensors is NOT a great thing...... of course great if someone is in car or moving everytime but it has the CON of turning on/off the brightness sensor of the phone and at every display power on the phone lags for 1/2 seconds.
i must admit that in the last years i've always used aggressivedoze/ or naptime and greenified lots of apps but i should reconsider the fact to UNinstall all....... and see if the battery life is really worse or not.
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The sensor issue is device specific. I enable 'doze on the go' on all my devices and have yet to encounter the brightness glitch. However, I don't use the more aggressive sensor suppressions available in some apps. Note 'doze on the go' is enabled by default w/Android 7+.
After experimenting with countless apps/tools/techniques (ugh) my Android power management methodology has evolved to a 'lite touch' minimalist approach. I only take overt action when a specific drain can not be contained by other means. Greenify is the tool of choice with only a few bad actors in the explicit hibernation list. Android defaults handle everything else. My devices sleep soundly, behave predictably and score admirably low drain rates. App selection obviously plays into that. Big pigs like Facebook, Google everything and WhatsApp are not part of my portfolio as lighter alternatives exist. Good luck with your own adventures.

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Tips or App to optimize Battery Life?

Hello, I have been searching the forums for any tips or apps people use to get the most battery life out of their HTC One and couldn't find what I was looking for. I'm not complaining too much since I am getting around 4 hours of screen time per day. But was just wondering if anyone used any apps or has a tip that they used that saw boost in saving battery usage. Thanks
juice defender
Juice Defender, Green Power, OR BatteryGuru - Made specifically from Qualcomm for Qualcomm Snapdragon processors! Tried it on my Atrix HD and it did some impressive work at saving battery.
Never used Juice Defender personally, but I did use Green Power before on my Note I, and it was great. Saved me a ton of battery.
Currently using BatteryGuru atm for the One though.
Most important thing we could get is the ability to dial down the auto brightness, it's way too bright
I use startup manager, to have non-system apps not start at boot(saves alot of battery) I also use quad-core cpu sleeper(paid) worth it "when screen is off drops to one core, setcpu with profile to drop my max frequency to 1000 when screen is off and to full when screen is on, and finally use the stock htc power saver to only kill mobile date when off, can get 2 days on idle use and about 3/4 day regular use unless playing really graphic games
ps also using team seven kernel
powersaver is all this phone needs imho
CheesyNutz said:
powersaver is all this phone needs imho
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Agreed!
Im glad to see this thread, I was thinking about starting one like this. For the past 2 days my ONE is draining battery fast, Im at 33% right now after an overnight charge, been using it one and off all day. Im a bit lost. I just installed battery guru. Is there a good app to show where your battery usage is going? per app or process? I had a decent iPhone app for this, Im searching the Play Store now.
thanks
G Sam battery monitor is what I use
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Greenify to hibernate all the apps causing wakelocks
Mr.s ookipy
Always keep power saver on.
I am going to give Batteryguru a try. I don't know if I am just not using Greenify right, but I don't see much difference.
Pittsdriver said:
I am going to give Batteryguru a try. I don't know if I am just not using Greenify right, but I don't see much difference.
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Same here. If anything I feel like greenify drains more battery.
I used Carat to identify the battery drainers. Then Froze/disabled a few apps.
The real battery drainer is how much I love this freaking phone!
I do miss the task manager from my GS3 though. Wish there was a way to free RAM like it used to have.
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curious... how long does it take you guys to charge your htc ones? and does it ever heat up? mine seems to be running warm from just charging.. is this normal?
DS battery saver - keeps your phone in deep sleep, most of android's battery woes come from apps randomly waking up the device to do their sync and whatnot. By default will wake the device up on a regular schedule and do a forced sync I think. Has options for whitelists so the apps you trust can still do what they want when they want. I've heard juice defender is a good one of this too, though I prefer DS battery saver for its simplicity.
Greenify - Takes a more iOS approach to apps in background. ie. it freezes them. This prevents them from consuming precious mAh
Disable location reporting (or GPS alltogether) in maps.
Disable sync for the weather/stock/news stuff in settings
Get a kernel that supports Undervolting (I prefer elementalX) and use a utility like system tuner pro to UV the everloving **** out of it. Our qualcomm chips seem to handle this particularly well.
That's all I can think of.
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choboii said:
Same here. If anything I feel like greenify drains more battery.
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Greenify will only do something if the app you put onto its list was being a problem in the first place really. I suppose it works best with carat. Use the latter to identify hog apps and then greenify to deliver sweet battery saving justice to them (or uninstall them). Most android apps (at least for me) seem to be pretty good with not wrecking my battery in the background though, just sit there and wait for me to call on them again like a good app should.
Am i the only one that read the manual? Pg. 37
Getting the battery to last longer
How long the battery can last before it needs recharging depends on how you use
HTC One. HTC One power management helps to increase battery life.
In times when you need to extend the battery life more, try out some of these tips:
Check your battery usage
Monitoring your battery usage helps you identify what's using the most power so you
can choose what to do about it. For details, see Checking battery usage on page 37.
Manage your connections
§ Turn off wireless connections you're not using.
To turn on or off connections such as mobile data, Wi‑Fi, or Bluetooth, go to
Settings and tap their On/Off switches.
§ Turn GPS on only when a precise location is needed.
To prevent some apps from using GPS in the background, keep the GPS
satellites setting off. Turn it on only when you need your precise location while
using navigation or location-based apps. Go to Settings and tap Location to
turn this setting on or off.
Manage your display
Lowering the brightness, letting the display sleep when not in use, and keeping it
simple helps save battery power.
§ Use automatic brightness (the default), or manually lower the brightness.
§ Set the screen timeout to a shorter time.
38 Your first week with your new phone
§ Don't use a live wallpaper for your Home screen. Animation effects are nice to
show off to other people but they drain your battery.
Changing your wallpaper to a plain, black background can also help a little. The
less color is displayed, the less battery is used.
§ Set the web browser to auto dim the screen while webpages load. Open the
Internet app, and then tap > Settings > Accessibility > Dim screen during
page loading.
For more details, see Settings and security on page 166 and Personalizing on page
56.
Manage your apps
§ Install the latest software and application updates. Updates sometimes include
battery performance improvements.
§ Uninstall or disable apps that you never use.
Many apps run processes or sync data in the background even when you're not
using them. If there are apps that you don't need anymore, uninstall them.
If an app came preloaded and can't be uninstalled, disabling the app can still
prevent it from continuously running or syncing data. In Settings > Apps, swipe
to the All tab, tap the app, and then tap Disable.
Limit background data and sync
Background data and sync can use a lot of battery power if you have many apps
syncing data in the background. It’s recommended not to let apps sync data too
often. Determine which apps can be set with longer sync times, or sync manually.
§ In Settings, tap Accounts & sync and check what types of data are being synced
in your online accounts. When the battery is starting to run low, temporarily
disable syncing some data.
§ If you have many email accounts, consider prolonging the sync time of some
accounts.
In the Mail app, select an account, tap > Settings > Sync, Send & Receive, and
then adjust the settings under Sync schedule.
§ When you’re not traveling from one place to another, sync weather updates of
only your current location, rather than in all of your named cities. Open the
Weather app, and then tap > Edit to remove unneeded cities.
§ Choose widgets wisely.
Some widgets constantly sync data. Consider removing the ones that are not
important from your Home screen.
§ In Play Store, tap > Settings, and then clear Auto-add widgets to avoid
automatically adding Home screen widgets whenever you've installed new apps.
Also clear Auto-update apps if you're fine with updating apps from Play Store
manually.
39 Your first week with your new phone
Other tips
To squeeze in a little bit more battery power, try these tips:
§ Tone down the ringtone and media volume.
§ Minimize the use of vibration or sound feedback. In Settings, tap Sound and
choose which ones you don't need and can disable.
§ Check your apps’ settings as you may find more options to optimize the battery.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xiam.snapdragon.app
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Here's a really big tip I've found from trial and error... Turn off Google Location data, best wifi performance, and turn on power saver in settings. I have auto synchronize on, auto screen brightness, and other stuff and I'm getting 15+ hours with moderate usage with 32 percent left when I plug in at night and go to bed. That's also moving in and out of 4G and lte areas and using wifi where available
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thaks for the post,i've found the solution for a long time too
I don't believe in disabling everything a smartphone is supposed to be able to do. I'd just get a basic flip phone if that was the case.
I'm trying the snapdragon app atm
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CPU Awake time

Hey everyone,
After playing a bit with my Honor battery this week, I realized that my phone barely goes into deep sleep mode.
I have few Power consuming apps running in the background such as Facebook, Google App, Google Play Store, Textra, Gmail or Pebble.
Using tasker I periodically turn on and off the Auto Sync parameter (1 min of auto sync every 30 minutes) and I always shut down all the applications running in the background.
In my previous Nexus 5, I didn't had much of a problem with the CPU Deep sleep but now that I'm on EMUI without Root on I feel like I can barely control anything that's happening on my phone anymore, especially on the battery.
Overall the battery is still correct but I'm just wondering whether I'm the only one noticing this.
Thanks !
If battery life is normal then it doesn't matter. All cpu operate differently, maybe its just how kirin is. If apps are consuming power in background , emui will tell you.
Have you gone through the power saving and background apps managers of EMUI itself ? Maybe there is conflict of that with Tasker.
I just create battery discussion thread, I appreciate if you can post info here , Thanks
http://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-7/general/battery-life-discussion-t3196324
warea said:
Have you gone through the power saving and background apps managers of EMUI itself ? Maybe there is conflict of that with Tasker.
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Yeah, I'm spending a lot of time checking out the power saving in the background and after a few day it seems that the phone kinda got used to it.
Facebook and G+ are still coming up first in term of power consumption (I actually wonder why every time I kill them, they just come back... even though they're both not synchronized anyway)
I've gotta admit that the on screen time is pretty amazing! The one thing that's kinda scaring me is the background power consumption but I'll try harder to get this right if anything can be done about these app running in the background. (I'll try rooting and grenifying it)
Other than that, yeah the phone last me a good day with a good amount of on screen time!

How to know if aggressive doze is functioning?

If I've understood correctly there's no need to hibernate anything in order to user aggressive doze. So I don't use hibernation at all, but instead would like to user aggressive doze.
I'm rooted and have checked the on-the-go mode. I have also enabled the notification.
But there's no doze notification after the screen has been off for few minutes. How do I know if it is dozing or not?
thanks
tofu said:
If I've understood correctly there's no need to hibernate anything in order to user aggressive doze. So I don't use hibernation at all, but instead would like to user aggressive doze.
I'm rooted and have checked the on-the-go mode. I have also enabled the notification.
But there's no doze notification after the screen has been off for few minutes. How do I know if it is dozing or not?
thanks
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I use Automagic (same idea as Tasker, but I find it much easier to understand and use). It has a trigger for when the phone enters doze mode (and another for when it exits). I can use these triggers to perform conditional actions like enable/disable Bluetooth/WiFi etc., or, say, make a sound, send a message to my Pebble watch, etc. In my case (unrooted phone) I have it make sounds. Using Automagic to do this kind of stuff does not seem to mess up the phone going into/coming out of doze mode.
You can also enable a Greenify notification that shows when the phone goes in/out of aggressive doze...
WibblyW said:
I use Automagic (same idea as Tasker, but I find it much easier to understand and use). It has a trigger for when the phone enters doze mode (and another for when it exits). I can use these triggers to perform conditional actions like enable/disable Bluetooth/WiFi etc., or, say, make a sound, send a message to my Pebble watch, etc. In my case (unrooted phone) I have it make sounds. Using Automagic to do this kind of stuff does not seem to mess up the phone going into/coming out of doze mode.
You can also enable a Greenify notification that shows when the phone goes in/out of aggressive doze...
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Thanks. It seems that it works now. I just needed to wait for a longer time.
Just remember that doze is not a full replacement for hybernation. It may prevent wakelocks but bad apps can still run background processes loading CPU and consuming battery when phone periodically wakes up from doze as well as every time you are using your phone.
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Problem: Greenifing during CALL

I use Greenify for a long time with donation package, beta tester also.
At the moment I'm using it on a non-rooted Samsung Note 5
I add most of the programs be "greenified" except a few important for me.
The BIG PROBLEM is that in most of the times when there is an ACTIVE CALL, Greenify strart "working" and I can not do aniting. The phone is "black" and I can not even close/finish the call, just waiting Greenify to "hibernate" a.k.a. "force stop" all apps.
Sometime with 5 to 10 "power button" presses I'm able to interupt "hibernation" and to close my call.
Please, add an option to DISSABLE hiberation during a CALL!!!
Somebody else having this problem?
Best regards to all developers!
ChoSmile said:
I use Greenify for a long time with donation package, beta tester also.
At the moment I'm using it on a non-rooted Samsung Note 5
I add most of the programs be "greenified" except a few important for me.
The BIG PROBLEM is that in most of the times when there is an ACTIVE CALL, Greenify strart "working" and I can not do aniting. The phone is "black" and I can not even close/finish the call, just waiting Greenify to "hibernate" a.k.a. "force stop" all apps.
Sometime with 5 to 10 "power button" presses I'm able to interupt "hibernation" and to close my call.
Please, add an option to DISSABLE hiberation during a CALL!!!
Somebody else having this problem?
Best regards to all developers!
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Have you greenified anything related to phone calls? Can you post a screenshot of what all you have greenified? Do you also use Amplify?
This is not the normal behaviour unless you greenified or limited something which you ought not have.
Nothing related to Call or Phone or other system realated apps are in Greenify list (178 apps).
Normal behaviour of Greenify is to start hibertatiing apps when screen goes off.
(In root or boost (xposed) mode this operation is very fast, it closes many apps at once.)
But in NON-root mode it use standart automated [Force close] dialog or every app, so it takes a second or two per app to close it.
When I make (or receive) a call, I put the phone near to my ear, the proximity sensor turns off the display.
After a while, Greenify starts hibernation process.
There is no problem with the CALL itself, it is not interrupted or disturbed and qualiry is excellent.
The problem is when I take off my phone from my head, proximity sensor "realesed" and display have to goes on (rise) again but this NOT happens.
At this moment Greenify closes apps one by one and screen is OFF.
Call conversation remains active and I can NOT hang up (close) my call.
No reaction if I press [Home] or [Power] buttons.
By pressing many times (5+) [Power] button I'm able to interupt the Greenify hibernation process, display goes on and I see the force close app's dialog.
Now I use drop down menu and press (red earphone icon) to hang up (close) my active call.
That's why I think that settings option in Greenify for "temporary disable of hibernation" during an active call will be very useful especialy for "non-root mode" users.
Do you think it is worth to add such option?
@ChoSmile
When you are on a call, it will hold a wakelock so that the screen going off doesn't affect it. The proximity sensor senses your face near it and switches off the screen. When the phone is held away from the face, the proximity sensor should sense it and switch on the screen. This is the normal behavior.
Greenify starting to hibernate the apps should not affect the proximity sensor sensing. Check the functioning of your proximity sensor because no one else seems to have reported this problem, as far as I know.
I don't think that Greenify hibernates apps during a call ie. while the screen is off during a call. Atleast for me, it doesn't.
ChoSmile said:
I use Greenify for a long time with donation package, beta tester also.
At the moment I'm using it on a non-rooted Samsung Note 5
I add most of the programs be "greenified" except a few important for me.
The BIG PROBLEM is that in most of the times when there is an ACTIVE CALL, Greenify strart "working" and I can not do aniting. The phone is "black" and I can not even close/finish the call, just waiting Greenify to "hibernate" a.k.a. "force stop" all apps.
Sometime with 5 to 10 "power button" presses I'm able to interupt "hibernation" and to close my call.
Please, add an option to DISSABLE hiberation during a CALL!!!
Somebody else having this problem?
Best regards to all developers!
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By any chance do you have aggressive doze enabled in greenify? I started having about the same issue, i would receive a call and screen would never wake up. I had done a lot of tweaks and wasn't sure what exactly what was causing this. So I did a fresh install and started a little bit at a time doing my tweaks and never got to install greenify yet. So far, phone has been working properly. So maybe this had something to do with aggressive doze or the fact that I had two apps setting aggressive doze, greenify and force doze.
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By any chance do you have aggressive doze enabled in greenify? I started having about the same issue, i would receive a call and screen would never wake up. I had done a lot of tweaks and wasn't sure what exactly what was causing this. So I did a fresh install and started a little bit at a time doing my tweaks and never got to install greenify yet. So far, phone has been working properly. So maybe this had something to do with aggressive doze or the fact that I had two apps setting aggressive doze, greenify and force doze.
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I disable Aggressive Doze (experimental) but issue happens again, might be no so offen like before I disabled it.
@tnsmani
Do you use Greenify on NON rooted device?
Because on rooted devices, you probably use it "Root" or "Boost" working mode where hiberanating is "at once" for many apps.
ChoSmile said:
I disable Aggressive Doze (experimental) but issue happens again, might be no so offen like before I disabled it.
@tnsmani
Do you use Greenify on NON rooted device?
Because on rooted devices, you probably use it "Root" or "Boost" working mode where hiberanating is "at once" for many apps.
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Normally I use Greenify in root/boost mode since my phone is rooted.
But to investigate your issue, I ran it in non-root mode (phone is still rooted). Still my screen behaves normally.
I have the same issues exactly non root greenify kicks in during calls and everything goes south. Any solution to disable greenify during calls
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Guys. Anyine found a solution here? This is a real issue for me. I am using non root and everytime a call starts, screen goes dark, greenify starts and doesn't capture the right screens probably but rather initiates clicks on the task bar on the top. This way I see the WiFi starting or Hotspot being disabled or data being turned off.
All I need is for greenify to not work during calls!
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ofird said:
Guys. Anyine found a solution here? This is a real issue for me. I am using non root and everytime a call starts, screen goes dark, greenify starts and doesn't capture the right screens probably but rather initiates clicks on the task bar on the top. This way I see the WiFi starting or Hotspot being disabled or data being turned off.
All I need is for greenify to not work during calls!
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Seems to be a persistent, unresolved issue on some non-rooted devices with stock ROMs. You'll probably have to abandon Greenify.
My worst issues with battery drain is when the phone is on and not off. Maube screen brightness. I don't know but it drains like crazy
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ofird said:
My worst issues with battery drain is when the phone is on and not off. Maube screen brightness. I don't know but it drains like crazy
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Your ROMs built in battery stats may (likely will) provide clues to that type of drain. For a more comprehensive assessment try GSAM which is a available in the Play Store. BBS can also help but it's a little more difficult to interpret IMHO. Good luck.

Affect on proximity sensor?

I'm new to greenify, so bear with me.
In the pro version, I enabled both shallow hibernation and aggressive doze, in addition to adding a number of apps manually.
However, I found that the proximity sensor became a bit wonky, waking the screen while still in a call, and occasionally failing to wake the screen on call end.
Is it possible that greenify is causing this, and if so, what would you suggest I change to fix it?
HTC 10 rooted, Xposed, Maximus HD (MM)
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BillTheCat said:
I'm new to greenify, so bear with me.
In the pro version, I enabled both shallow hibernation and aggressive doze, in addition to adding a number of apps manually.
However, I found that the proximity sensor became a bit wonky, waking the screen while still in a call, and occasionally failing to wake the screen on call end.
Is it possible that greenify is causing this, and if so, what would you suggest I change to fix it?
HTC 10 rooted, Xposed, Maximus HD (MM)
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Absolutely! Disable aggressive doze and shallow hibernation as they generally offer no significant benefit on Android 6 (Marshmallow) and often trigger side effects similar to what you describe. I'd also remove ALL apps from Greenify's hibernation list unless they exhibit undesirable behavior.
Given MM based ROM be sure to enable 'Doze on the Go' in Greenify settings which will help your device enter doze more rapidly and remain there longer even when in motion.
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Absolutely! Disable aggressive doze and shallow hibernation as they generally offer no significant benefit on Android 6 (Marshmallow) and often trigger side effects similar to what you describe. I'd also remove ALL apps from Greenify's hibernation list unless they exhibit undesirable behavior.
Given MM based ROM be sure to enable 'Doze on the Go' in Greenify settings which will help your device enter doze more rapidly and remain there longer even when in motion.
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Done. Would you suggest a battery app to monitor wake locks, and if so, which one?
Also, a general question about lithium batteries should not be trickle-charged overnight, or left plugged in constantly because it stresses the battery. Just wondering if there's any truth to that, or if it's an urban legend.
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BillTheCat said:
Done. Would you suggest a battery app to monitor wake locks, and if so, which one?
Also, a general question about lithium batteries should not be trickle-charged overnight, or left plugged in constantly because it stresses the battery. Just wondering if there's any truth to that, or if it's an urban legend.
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Not a fan of monitoring wakelocks which are broadly misunderstood and usually not the source of excess (operative word) battery drain. Android's native monitoring tools are generally adequate. Two well regarded alternatives are Better Battery Stats (BBS) and GSAM. Both can be found in the Play Store.
Leaving a Li-ion powered device on charge overnight is fine. Especially phones and other portable gizmos which are usually discharged the following day. However, Li-ion batteries should not be left in a fully charged or discharged state for an extended period as irrevocable damage can occur. That's why most Li-ion powered devices arrive partially charged which is the state they like best.
More detail: http://batteryuniversity.com
Davey126 said:
Not a fan of monitoring wakelocks which are broadly misunderstood and usually not the source of excess (operative word) battery drain. Android's native monitoring tools are generally adequate. Two well regarded alternatives are Better Battery Stats (BBS) and GSAM. Both can be found in the Play Store.
Leaving a Li-ion powered device on charge overnight is fine. Especially phones and other portable gizmos which are usually discharged the following day. However, Li-ion batteries should not be left in a fully charged or discharged state for an extended period as irrevocable damage can occur. That's why most Li-ion powered devices arrive partially charged which is the state they like best.
More detail: http://batteryuniversity.com
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Thanks for that info. Very interesting site, but way above my pay grade. I guess by "extended period" that scenario would be a store demo unit that's constantly powered, or a home scenario of similar sort.
Here's what I took away from a brief overview, if anyone else is looking on:
(Sourced from 'How to Prolong Lithium Based Batteries' from Battery University)
From: Battery University:(emphasis mine)
Similar to a mechanical device that wears out faster with heavy use, the depth of discharge (DoD) determines the cycle count of the battery. The smaller the discharge (low DoD), the longer the battery will last. If at all possible, avoid full discharges and charge the battery more often between uses. Partial discharge on Li-ion is fine. There is no memory and the battery does not need periodic full discharge cycles to prolong life.
Environmental conditions, not cycling alone, govern the longevity of lithium-ion batteries. The worst situation is keeping a fully charged battery at elevated temperatures. [I'm reading this as a warning for those of us with quick charging cables]
The question is asked, “Should I disconnect my laptop from the power grid when not in use?” Under normal circumstances this should not be necessary because charging stops when the Li-ion battery is full. A topping charge is only applied when the battery voltage drops to a certain level. Most users do not remove the AC power, and this practice is safe.
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Davey126 said:
Absolutely! Disable aggressive doze and shallow hibernation as they generally offer no significant benefit on Android 6 (Marshmallow) and often trigger side effects similar to what you describe. I'd also remove ALL apps from Greenify's hibernation list unless they exhibit undesirable behavior.
Given MM based ROM be sure to enable 'Doze on the Go' in Greenify settings which will help your device enter doze more rapidly and remain there longer even when in motion.
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Still having some trouble from time to time with proximity sensor, screen wake (almost locks on or off) and fingerprint sensor when waking.
I wiped both dalvik/art and system cache which seemed to help for a bit and also seemed to make the phone a bit more responsive, but this afternoon, the above problems resurfaced.
Can you please recommend some settings to start with, since I'm a noob with greenify, and I'm not sure if I have everything set right. Also might app updates without a reboot have something to do with this?
HTC10
Maximus HD (MM)
Rooted (obviously)
Xposed
Thanks in advance!
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BillTheCat said:
Still having some trouble from time to time with proximity sensor, screen wake (almost locks on or off) and fingerprint sensor when waking.
I wiped both dalvik/art and system cache which seemed to help for a bit and also seemed to make the phone a bit more responsive, but this afternoon, the above problems resurfaced.
Can you please recommend some settings to start with, since I'm a noob with greenify, and I'm not sure if I have everything set right. Also might app updates without a reboot have something to do with this?
HTC10
Maximus HD (MM)
Rooted (obviously)
Xposed
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With Aggressive and Shallow doze disabled the only other setting that might prove troublesome is 'doze on the go'. However, that one is important on MM as it prevents your device from waking and/or staying awake when in motion. Still, might be worth disabling to see if it makes a difference.
Rebooting after app updates is generally unnecessary unless recommended by the developer.
Additional thoughts:
- verify working mode is Root + Boost (Xposed)
- keep the list of apps to explicitly Greenify short (demonstrated bad actors); implicit doze will take care of the rest
While my preference leans towards Greenify (ease of use; flexibility; long term track record; community support) there are several other fine apps with similar functionality. Force Doze pops to the top of the list. Occationally a user will report issues with one while the other works fine. Another option to consider.
BillTheCat said:
Still having some trouble from time to time with proximity sensor, screen wake (almost locks on or off) and fingerprint sensor when waking.
I wiped both dalvik/art and system cache which seemed to help for a bit and also seemed to make the phone a bit more responsive, but this afternoon, the above problems resurfaced.
Can you please recommend some settings to start with, since I'm a noob with greenify, and I'm not sure if I have everything set right. Also might app updates without a reboot have something to do with this?
HTC10
Maximus HD (MM)
Rooted (obviously)
Xposed
Thanks in advance!
Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk
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If you have greenified any system apps, please reconsider. One of them may be the culprit.
If nothing else works, ungreenify everything and start from scratch. Greenify one app at a time, observing the behavior for some time before greenifying the next. You may find the culprit. Laborious, but effective.
Davey126 said:
With Aggressive and Shallow doze disabled the only other setting that might prove troublesome is 'doze on the go'...
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tnsmani said:
If you have greenified any system apps, please reconsider. One of them may be the culprit...
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Hey, guys. I'm still having trouble with both the proximity sensor and fingerprint sensor. Could really use some expert advice here.
The phone screen often does not come back on - especially during a long call or when switching between calls, and frequently just "loses its mind" and I have to press the power button to get the screen back, or even to turn the phone off. Another problem is waking via the fingerprint sensor which is unreliable.
I don't know if it's the settings I've selected (my money is on this one) or if there's a rogue app that's hosing me. For example, I use OneBox for my business IP Telephony. Could it be that?
I did, in fact, manually select a couple system apps to greenify, but that's because the ROM developer put them into the system space, rather than the user space. So I'm not sure if that counts.
Here's what I have so far...
Greenified:
ES File Exlorer Pro
Facebook
Firefox
Instagram
Key Ring
SensorPush
Settings:
Working Mode: Root+Boost
Shallow Hibernation DISABLED
Aggressive Doze DISABLED
Wake-up Tracking and Cutoff DISABLED
Automated Hibernation: SELECTED
Xposed based features:
Doze on the go: SELECTED
Wakeup Timer Coalescing SELECTED
Telephone Wakeup SELECTED
Greenifying System Apps: SELECTED
BillTheCat said:
Hey, guys. I'm still having trouble with both the proximity sensor and fingerprint sensor. Could really use some expert advice here.
The phone screen often does not come back on - especially during a long call or when switching between calls, and frequently just "loses its mind" and I have to press the power button to get the screen back, or even to turn the phone off. Another problem is waking via the fingerprint sensor which is unreliable.
I don't know if it's the settings I've selected (my money is on this one) or if there's a rogue app that's hosing me. For example, I use OneBox for my business IP Telephony. Could it be that?
I did, in fact, manually select a couple system apps to greenify, but that's because the ROM developer put them into the system space, rather than the user space. So I'm not sure if that counts.
Here's what I have so far...
Greenified:
ES File Exlorer Pro
Facebook
Firefox
Instagram
Key Ring
SensorPush
Settings:
Working Mode: Root+Boost
Shallow Hibernation DISABLED
Aggressive Doze DISABLED
Wake-up Tracking and Cutoff DISABLED
Automated Hibernation: SELECTED
Xposed based features:
Doze on the go: SELECTED
Wakeup Timer Coalescing SELECTED
Telephone Wakeup SELECTED
Greenifying System Apps: SELECTED
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Did you try the earlier suggestion of removing everything from hibernation and then hibernating one app at a time? If not, try that.
What is SensorPush? Is that the wireless thermometer thingy? Disable that and see.
tnsmani said:
Did you try the earlier suggestion of removing everything from hibernation and then hibernating one app at a time? If not, try that.
What is SensorPush? Is that the wireless thermometer thingy? Disable that and see.
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Actually, I figured I'd start from scratch. Disabled the app in Xposed, used TiBu to wipe data and uninstall. I'm going to wipe all the caches and reboot to see what happens.
What I could use some help with is to understand what settings in the app you guys would recommend for my phone /rom:
HTC10
Maximus HD (Marshmallow)
Xposed
Once I'm OK with basic settings, I'll follow your suggestion of one app at a tim.
Yes, Sensor Push is the app for remote temperature / humidity sensors. But it's not this app, I've only had it installed for a couple days, the problem has persisted for weeks beforehand.
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BillTheCat said:
Actually, I figured I'd start from scratch. Disabled the app in Xposed, used TiBu to wipe data and uninstall. I'm going to wipe all the caches and reboot to see what happens.
What I could use some help with is to understand what settings in the app you guys would recommend for my phone /rom:
HTC10
Maximus HD (Marshmallow)
Xposed
Once I'm OK with basic settings, I'll follow your suggestion of one app at a tim.
Yes, Sensor Push is the app for remote temperature / humidity sensors. But it's not this app, I've only had it installed for a couple days, the problem has persisted for weeks beforehand.
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No appwise recommendations can be made since the device, ROM, kernel, apps etc vary vastly not to speak of the the specific usage pattern of the individual.
What is recommended though is to greenify those apps which you don't use often but which keep running. Do not greenify apps which you often use.
As for system apps, be careful, but the same principle applies. Don't greenify something like PlayServices because its running is essential and it will continuously try to wake up draining battery.
Install BBS and monitor which apps drain battery and then greenify only those which drain but will not cause issues if greenified. Always greenify one app at a time to see the effects.
In general, greenify as less apps as possible.
I have a Moto G4 Play model number XT1600 (Moto G Paly in the US) and I am having some issues with the proximity sensor.
When answering a call, sometimes the screen goes dark and unresponsive to touch or by quickly pressing the power button. I have Greenify installed but I'm not sure if it is related.
After reading some posts here, I decided to understand the behavior of my phone when I make the calls and here is what I learned:
- after the proximity sensor turn the screen off when the phone is close to the ear, many times it will not detect when the phone is put away from the ear. But if you make a movement that leaves the phone in the horizontal position in your hand, the screen will be lit again (it takes a few seconds).
- if you put away the phone from the ear and leave it in a desk in the horizontal position, the screen will almost immediately be lit again. It seems that the proximity sensor works together with another sensor that detects the little bump when you put the phone on the desk.
- I did the movement to put the phone away from the ear, leaving it in the horizontal position in my hand; screen continued dark. Then with my finger I did a few taps in the back of the phone and the screen went on again.
- Another test I did when none of the above alternatives worked: in the settings there is an option to turn the camera on with a double press of the power button. When this option is set and the screen goes unresponsive while answering a call, I do the double click to activate the camera. The screen turns on with the camera app and then I am able to switch to the phone app.
Annoying but it is an alternative solution.
Not sure if this is the normal behavior but this is what I learned today
hjbuzzi said:
I have a Moto G4 Play model number XT1600 (Moto G Paly in the US) and I am having some issues with the proximity sensor.
When answering a call, sometimes the screen goes dark and unresponsive to touch or by quickly pressing the power button. I have Greenify installed but I'm not sure if it is related.
After reading some posts here, I decided to understand the behavior of my phone when I make the calls and here is what I learned:
- after the proximity sensor turn the screen off when the phone is close to the ear, many times it will not detect when the phone is put away from the ear. But if you make a movement that leaves the phone in the horizontal position in your hand, the screen will be lit again (it takes a few seconds).
- if you put away the phone from the ear and leave it in a desk in the horizontal position, the screen will almost immediately be lit again. It seems that the proximity sensor works together with another sensor that detects the little bump when you put the phone on the desk.
- I did the movement to put the phone away from the ear, leaving it in the horizontal position in my hand; screen continued dark. Then with my finger I did a few taps in the back of the phone and the screen went on again.
- Another test I did when none of the above alternatives worked: in the settings there is an option to turn the camera on with a double press of the power button. When this option is set and the screen goes unresponsive while answering a call, I do the double click to activate the camera. The screen turns on with the camera app and then I am able to switch to the phone app.
Annoying but it is an alternative solution.
Not sure if this is the normal behavior but this is what I learned today
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I experienced this same issue on an older XT1030 which is the mini varient of a 2nd gen Moto X. Spent quite a bit of time trying to diagnose the issue (like you) and had devised various work-arounds that were never quite satiafsctory. Also rocking Greenify w/Xposed but ultimately determined that was not a direct factor with the proximity sensor glitch.
What fixed it (for me) was Gravity Screen which you can find in the Play Store. Takes a bit to get understand how to configure but very nice once everything is set up. One downside is you will probably want to disable Moto's active screen function - at least during initial configuration. Good luck.
Is there any reason why pending updates might have an effect on the proximity sensor?
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BillTheCat said:
Is there any reason why pending updates might have an effect on the proximity sensor?
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I have noticed that if app updates are kept pending in PlayStore, it does affect various things, which seem totally unconnected.
tnsmani said:
I have noticed that if app updates are kept pending in PlayStore, it does affect various things, which seem totally unconnected.
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Ah. So I'm not hallucinating after all...
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Well guys, it looks like I'm going to have to abandon Greenify. I just can't seem to find any combination of settings that won't interfere with the proximity sensor. Unfortunate, really, because it's a great app and I even bought the donation package, but it's just making my life miserable.
Anyway suggests for alternatives would be appreciated. I have one mention for 'force doze'. Anything else?
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I wish I had more technical skills to understand why my Moto G4 Play (XT1600) had its proximity sensor behaving erratically for several days. I uninstalled Greenify and installed it again. Settings are
Working mode NON ROOT, Agressive doze ON, Wake-up Tracking DISABLED, Auto Hibernation OFF, Alternative Screen Off Mode OFF, Quick Action Notification OFF, Long Press OFF, Don't Remove Notifications ON, Xposed Features (not available), Greenifying System Apps OFF, Extras for Geek OFF.
My proximity sensor is working fine with Greenify installed.
I keep all my apps and system up to date and I suspect that some recent update may have fixed the erratic behavior of the proximity sensor.
hjbuzzi said:
I wish I had more technical skills to understand why my Moto G4 Play (XT1600) had its proximity sensor behaving erratically for several days. I uninstalled Greenify and installed it again. Settings are
Working mode NON ROOT, Agressive doze ON, Wake-up Tracking DISABLED, Auto Hibernation OFF, Alternative Screen Off Mode OFF, Quick Action Notification OFF, Long Press OFF, Don't Remove Notifications ON, Xposed Features (not available), Greenifying System Apps OFF, Extras for Geek OFF.
My proximity sensor is working fine with Greenify installed.
I keep all my apps and system up to date and I suspect that some recent update may have fixed the erratic behavior of the proximity sensor.
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Aggressive doze is neither needed nor beneficial on most configs. However, it can result in erratic app/device behavior. Suggest disabling and observe drain over several charge/discharge cycles. If only looking at at sleep performance be sure to include 1-2 min after waking as the device plays 'catch-up'. If there are no overall benefits to aggressive doze why introduce the potential for side-effects?

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