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As everyone knew that on June,UK will publish SGS2 which contain NFC function, I'm afraid that CM ROM available "ONLY" on NFC version, will it becomes true?Can anyone answer me this "stupid" question?
No one can answer your question because cm7 doesn't exist on the sgs2.
A couple of developer types commented that it should be modular and so very easy to make two versions. As there is already north of a million non nfc phones out there and climbing I doubt that the non nfc phones will become ophans assuming that their intial thought that it would be easy to build two versions proves true. They did allow as to how sometimes things come up that were unforseen. Even so my bet would be considering the number of devices out there support for both versions is likely. All this presumes that there will be a CM mod for the sgs2 which is another question, one reputable developer has said he will begin working on it after exams in early june. Right now there is nothing. There is no source code for the hardware acceleration so the device would not have it until that happens (samsung releases or drops to asop) and considering this is one of the things that makes the phone so smooth it is not a small consideration. My own thought would be that this lack of source code is probably somewhat of an impediment to interest in developing this as the rom would be partially kneecapped from the start.
Thank you very much!!
Now just waiting for the first CM rom on SGS2!!
Why is there such alot more development and forum activity on for example the Xiaomi Redmi phones than on this one? The p9000 got excellent hardware for a great price but the community is really small somehow and the software is still buggy? How come? Do you think its still worth to wait for more activity and responses from developers for this phone or is it a "dead cow" already and better to swap to another brand to get support from developers on for example CM or RR?
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Why is there such alot more development and forum activity on for example the Xiaomi Redmi phones than on this one? The p9000 got excellent hardware for a great price but the community is really small somehow and the software is still buggy? How come? Do you think its still worth to wait for more activity and responses from developers for this phone or is it a "dead cow" already and better to swap to another brand to get support from developers on for example CM or RR?
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Development for this device is far from dead, we have a stable device tree for building custom ROM's, CM and RR ROM's already released, a fully source built TWRP and work on custom kernels is just beginning. That's a lot more development already than an awful lot of devices see in their entire lifetime.
I would rather say it has just begun. Development for this MTK chip is not a matter of course and the outcome so far is pretty exciting. This opens the way for other devs who work on other devices with the same chipset. It's just that many devs simply prefer Snapdragon which leads to higher dev count on those devices, faster bug fixing etc. I am pretty excited what the future brings not only for our P9000 but MTK devices in general as far as flashing and development goes.
Development is dead? What gave you that impression? For starter this phone already has a working twrp recovery. That is more then some Chinese phones get in their whole lifetime. Kernels is the area of development next and elephone has been kind to release the source code for the phone. Again more then most developers even bother with.
well, it got twrp,root and xposed working. More than some name brand phones that stop official updates after a year.
But i admit it is easier to update my old nexus 4 with cm downloader. Just click the update notification and latest cm gets installed.
It is also getting nougat in November hopefully
mangoman said:
well, it got twrp,root and xposed working. More than some name brand phones that stop official updates after a year.
But i admit it is easier to update my old nexus 4 with cm downloader. Just click the update notification and latest cm gets installed.
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That's because Nexus 4 is an officially supported device by CM.
It's very difficult for MTK devices in general to get official CM support because we have to patch some things in the framework to make camera, RIL (mobile data) etc working.
The official stance is that these things should be done in device tree as no proprietary code is allowed in CM framework.
Initially when our patches were submitted to CM Gerrit they were rejected because of this, Leskal is working on minimising the patch work needed and getting more of the generic MTK code accepted on Gerrit.
Not helped by the fact that MTK themselves aren't helpful or willing to support developers as it doesn't suit their replace and force upgrade business model. Technically how they operate and their refusal to release official development tools or code is a violation of the open sources nature of Android. But google has yet to do anything serious about it. As far as I know, any code we have is from reverse engineering and leaks.
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Not helped by the fact that MTK themselves aren't helpful or willing to support developers as it doesn't suit their replace and force upgrade business model. Technically how they operate and their refusal to release official development tools or code is a violation of the open sources nature of Android. But google has yet to do anything serious about it. As far as I know, any code we have is from reverse engineering and leaks.
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Not true, I've met up with MTK engineers at DevCon and they do actually encourage development, they just seem to lately be wanting to protect their HAL's and drivers which as pointed out on the XDA portal article about this is sort of ridiculous. But then again it's proprietary code and not under the GPL so whilst we can say it's stupid we can't really contest it, it's their choice.
The code we have is completely official and not gotten from reverse engineering.
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Not true, I've met up with MTK engineers at DevCon and they do actually encourage development, they just seem to lately be wanting to protect their HAL's and drivers which as pointed out on the XDA portal article about this is sort of ridiculous. But then again it's proprietary code and not under the GPL so whilst we can say it's stupid we can't really contest ot, it's their choice.
The code we have is completely official and not gotten from reverse engineering.
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I have seen many a leak before. But OK they support developing but at the same time they don't help provide any decent tools for troubleshooting or development.
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I have seen many a leak before. But OK they support developing but at the same time they don't help provide any decent tools for troubleshooting or development.
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Why do they need to? There's already great tools around for that, I know Qualcomm certainly used to provide a package for debugging the lower system levels but it wasn't widely available as the lower levels of the device booting process are not needed to be modified outside of OEM labs and manufacturing.
The lowest level we need is kernel debugging and the kernel already provides that via last_kmsg and desmsg etc, all other tools are already available as part of ADB, logcat etc. There are also a plethora of other tools readily available.
I would call it pretty dead now Well, if not dead then dying.
Let's hope for a Christmas special
How's software support from manufacturer? Will we be getting regular security patches OTA?
Will it be supported for at least 2 years?
Anybody owned an Oppo phone knows about their history with updates?
Also, is their OS smooth and battery efficient or just horrible?
Thanks for reading
I had the oppo find 7. The phone was very good in his time but the software was very buggy. Os updates were very bad and it tOok a very long time to see an update. At the end, oppo closed his website and community forums leaving europe. Fortunately, there was xda devs supporting the device like omnirom etc...
I like the oppo find x but i m very septical about the support and more about the camera mechanism durability. An other thing, viewing the camera mechanism, i douubt the phone have an ip certification.
Ps: i think oppo will leave the europe maket one more time because of their prices. They are not known in france for example and a basic configuration at 999€, peoples will prefer to buy an iphone or a samsung. Maybe a huawei or a xiaomi wich are more famous than oppo here.
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I had the oppo find 7. The phone was very good in his time but the software was very buggy. Os updates were very bad and it tOok a very long time to see an update. At the end, oppo closed his website and community forums leaving europe. Fortunately, there was xda devs supporting the device like omnirom etc...
I like the oppo find x but i m very septical about the support and more about the camera mechanism durability. An other thing, viewing the camera mechanism, i douubt the phone have an ip certification.
Ps: i think oppo will leave the europe maket one more time because of their prices. They are not known in france for example and a basic configuration at 999€, peoples will prefer to buy an iphone or a samsung. Maybe a huawei or a xiaomi wich are more famous than oppo here.
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I agree with you, you forgot The Lamborghini version At 1699 €. Huawei and recently Xiaomi are already well known and sold in France, paradoxically Oneplus too but not Oppo
I doubt Oppo will break into the European market. big company in Asia certainly but almost unknown in Europe and bad memories of their rotating camera on N1 and N3....
I'm from germany and i think nearly nobody here or in france/spain/italy/netherlands will ever buy this phone at a pricetag of 999€. Nobody knows Oppo so you can impress nobody with your "Noname Phone". If you want to spend that much money you simply buy an iPhone or a S9+.
The Huawei P20 Pro is only selling good at that high pricetag because of the telekom, o2 and vodafone with a contract. So you have to pay 1-300€ to get the device. An Oppo without contract is nearly impossible to sell.
Thanks guys for your replies.
ColorOS in Oppo Find 7 days were always a year behind. For instance, Android was at version 4.4 Kitkat and yet Find 7 was released with 4.3 Jelly Bean. It's true that Oppo had continued to support it for 3 years, but remember at that third year, Android was at 6.0.1 Marshmallow and yet Find 7's latest final release was Project Something OS which is 5.1 Lollipop.
For people that doesn't necessarily understand how to root, TWRP, or flash custom ROMs, something will go wrong during this process because none of those updates are OTA nor recommended by service centers.
Should something ever go wrong, Oppo official service centers will give you its original 4.3 Jellybean that does not even support unified partition of any kind.
Until this day, June 2018, people still asks me: "What kind a phone is that? The camera is amazing."
The camera is still amazing even for 2018. Unfortunately, Oppo is very bad at releasing software updates. For that department, Oneplus is the better sister company but its camera & audio is not as good as Oppo's.
I was told that if you want good audio, VIVO seems to be the better sister company but I haven't paid much attention to its camera & software update support. I hope this helps.
Anyone having an Oppo contact address? Marketing, developement section maybe. It looks like the support is bot driven. Asked them to forward my mail to the dev section, but well, lol.
To be honest Find 7 support was bad but also typical when considering it's contemporaries. At its introduction there was no monthly security update even for Nexus devices, it didn't exist. A whole bunch of OEMs were going to make you wait quite some time for updates and there would not be many. If they offer support similar to their contemporaries today as they did then it's going to be much better than it was for the Find 7.
Let's face it though; we're all going to have camera lift failure before the phone gets too antiquated.
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we're all going to have camera lift failure before the phone gets too antiquated.
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For sure.
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Anyone having an Oppo contact address? Marketing, developement section maybe. It looks like the support is bot driven. Asked them to forward my mail to the dev section, but well, lol.
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Lol.
I got money to spare and i really need a new phone (current daily driver is OP2 with official LOS 15.1).
How will the chinese version fare in Sweden/EU? I don't think localization will be an issue after setting it up, just wondering if there will be issues with 3G/4G etc.
I was looking for freqs but didn't see anything, have I missed it? I'd beware the Chinese model, those can be trouble with the play store everywhere else. That is usually overcome by development but there isn't any way to know how much development this thing will see just yet. I'd certainly wait till I knew what it's play status was and the freqs... Haven't seen anything concrete on bootloader locks if any just yet either when I think about it. You're going to need that to get where you want to go.
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Anyone having an Oppo contact address? Marketing, developement section maybe. It looks like the support is bot driven. Asked them to forward my mail to the dev section, but well, lol.
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Twitter is the best way
I have the Oppo Find 7; bought it in 2014. If I had to use one word to describe the official software support, its 'frustrating'. The software on the phone was always 2 versions behind the latest one every year. It was released with Jelly bean 4.3 and around that time 5.0 was just around the corner. It took them 2-2.5 years to release an Android 5.1 ROM. Every major update from Oppo required the users to factory reset the device and it was very difficult for a layman to perform these flashes every time a new ROM was released. All the official ROMs released were beta - Color OS 2.1 Beta, Spectrum 1.1 Beta etc. Usually you'll find tons of custom ROMs from third party developers from China devs but flashing them on the international version of the phone bricked the device. All of the oppo community was very active in reporting bugs and flashing ROMs, but the official supporters soon closed the community website and all other oppo forums as they couldn't keep up with the updates and bug fixes. Officially the Find 7 got 7 ColorOS ROMS (2.0.0, 2.0.4, 2.0.5, 2.0.7, 2.0.8, 2.1.0, 2.1.5 from 4.4 to 5.1) and all were Beta releases. All of them had at least one or more major bugs. ColorOS isn't user friendly and takes a lot of time to get used to, its a very bad attempt to copy iOS on iPhones. The only good part of the OS might be the camera.
I went to omni and never looked back; had no problems at all. You do bring up a good point though; a person should be prepared and willing to stay on the release software for some time. I myself will want to know who is going to be developing, or if there will be any at all. I'm fine with Oreo but I'm going to need an unlocked bootloader/magisk. As to their launcher, yeah, it's junk. Easily fixed at the play store however; I know I'll have my beloved Action Launcher on there in about 5 minutes. Assuming I buy of course, a lot of questions to be answered first.
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I went to omni and never looked back; had no problems at all..
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completly agreed
So basically unless we get custom roms for this phone - stay away.
I wouldn't go that far, if the bootloader is unlocked and you're good hanging on the delivered firmware it might still be a go. I would be as long as it's possible to enable double tap to wake, I hate having to swipe. The software itself was not that bad with the find 7, it was the craptacular launcher that hurt the stock experience.
All that said if a good developer picks one up and starts development that would make a buy decision easier to make.
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I was looking for freqs but didn't see anything, have I missed it? I'd beware the Chinese model, those can be trouble with the play store everywhere else. That is usually overcome by development but there isn't any way to know how much development this thing will see just yet. I'd certainly wait till I knew what it's play status was and the freqs... Haven't seen anything concrete on bootloader locks if any just yet either when I think about it. You're going to need that to get where you want to go.
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2G GSM/GPRS/EDGE：850/900/1800/1900MHz ；
2G CDMA： BC0/BC1/BC10 ；
3G TD-SCDMA/TD-HSPA：B34/B39；
3G WCDMA/HSPA：B1/B2/B4/B5/B8；
4G TDD-LTE：B34/B38/B39/B40/B41；
4G FDD-LTE：B1/B2/B3/B4/B5/B7/B8/B12/B17/B18/B19/B20/B25/B26/B28A/B28B；
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I got money to spare and i really need a new phone (current daily driver is OP2 with official LOS 15.1).
How will the chinese version fare in Sweden/EU? I don't think localization will be an issue after setting it up, just wondering if there will be issues with 3G/4G etc.
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Based on Snapdragon 845 so there shall be no problem I guess.
2G GSM/GPRS/EDGE：850/900/1800/1900MHz ；
2G CDMA： BC0/BC1/BC10 ；
3G TD-SCDMA/TD-HSPA：B34/B39；
3G WCDMA/HSPA：B1/B2/B4/B5/B8；
4G TDD-LTE：B34/B38/B39/B40/B41；
4G FDD-LTE：B1/B2/B3/B4/B5/B7/B8/B12/B17/B18/B19/B20/B25/B26/B28A/B28B；
I've had a few Oppo phones, and like others have said here, the biggest problem is software update speed. Their issue is that they use ColorOS, which is a heavy skin on the phone. They tapered it back some recently, but it still ends up making them delay updates because they have to do so much on their end.
The phones are always solid, high-quality phones. They just care too much about how the phone looks, rather than how current it is.
I have a NEX from China, and it was pretty simple to add Google services working flawlessly.
I assume same will be for FIND X which i have pre-ordered already should get it by 18th July.
Hey and first of all: I am not a coder or do know anything about android development.
Treble arrived with Android 8 and it was praised like it would be the holy solution. Essential said it got P running on Ph-1 within a day (weekend...?). When I read all the P GSI threads it seems like nothing has really matured. People still report ****loads of bugs and not working hardware.
Wasn't this the whole achievement with treble? To separate the hardware drivers from the software?
Could someone please explain to me in simple words why it seems (to me) that not much has changed?
thanks!
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I guess it's because of few ****ty manufacturers closed sources for specific hardware and not including them in Treble vendor.
Treble only promised compatibility where Vendors comply with VTS. If they make closed source drivers with special cameras or special sensors, bugs are bound to happen.
However if you see the other side, a **** load of ROMs were able to boot without needing any dev assistance like in my case, Xiaomi mi6 was able to boot Android P GSI and other treble compatible GSIs by users WITHOUT any help from devs. This is HUGE.
The minor niggles regarding cameras or sensors or other things is NOT a huge deal. A relatively weak developer can even take up from there and try to fix up things.
Lastly, give treble some time. This was the first time it was tested and it worked. Not completely, but i would say better than expected. In time it will help us get Android 9.1 9.2 etc with minimum fuss.
You would understand if you tried porting roms or building them from source. It NOT easy.
OnePlus has numerous models (like my Nord N10) that are still waiting for Android 11. Other models have beta versions of Android 12, but OnePlus has wholly and completely botched their rollout of Android 11.
I'm sure that THOUSANDS of OnePlus users would gladly pay for a stable ROM.
Would love to see Pixel Experience or Lineage take the lead on this!
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OnePlus has numerous models (like my Nord N10) that are still waiting for Android 11. Other models have beta versions of Android 12, but OnePlus has wholly and completely botched their rollout of Android 11.
I'm sure that THOUSANDS of OnePlus users would gladly pay for a stable ROM.
Would love to see Pixel Experience or Lineage take the lead on this!
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No doubt mate, I would definitely pay for a Lineage ROM...
I mean, I even contacted the OP support team showing them how pissed and disappointed I am due to the lack of OxygenOS support for the N10, but they answered with a completely generic and useless email...
However, there's already a Pixel Experience ROM for OP N10: https://download.pixelexperience.org/billie
But I dunno, isn't Pixel Experience way more Google-dependent than OxygenOS? I usually avoid Google stuff.
EDIT: Well yea, I just noticed that ROM was discontinued, my bad.
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No doubt mate, I would definitely pay for a Lineage ROM...
I mean, I even contacted the OP support team showing them how pissed and disappointed I am due to the lack of OxygenOS support for the N10, but they answered with a completely generic and useless email...
However, there's already a Pixel Experience ROM for OP N10: https://download.pixelexperience.org/billie
But I dunno, isn't Pixel Experience way more Google-dependent than OxygenOS? I usually avoid Google stuff.
EDIT: Well yea, I just noticed that ROM was discontinued, my bad.
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Appreciate your feedback. It’s a chicken or the egg conundrum.
I’ve shared feedback directly with both Lineage and Pixel Exp that there is an opportunity here. Some twerp moderating the Lineage forum (not a developer) sent me a grumpy reply saying “read the forum rules you can’t ask for a ROM for your phone”. I explained to the dummy that I’m not talking about just my phone, rather it is a huge opportunity for nearly every model of OnePlus phones.
We need to help folks at Lineage or Pixel Exp understand that yes these custom ROM projects are things they work on for fun — but that they are also supported thru DONATIONS. So, consider developing ROMs for models where there are known customer dissatisfaction issues. Maybe even require a minimum donation of $15 or $25 if you have published a stable ROM that you are committed to for ongoing support.
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Appreciate your feedback. It’s a chicken or the egg conundrum.
I’ve shared feedback directly with both Lineage and Pixel Exp that there is an opportunity here. Some twerp moderating the Lineage forum (not a developer) sent me a grumpy reply saying “read the forum rules you can’t ask for a ROM for your phone”. I explained to the dummy that I’m not talking about just my phone, rather it is a huge opportunity for nearly every model of OnePlus phones.
We need to help folks at Lineage or Pixel Exp understand that yes these custom ROM projects are things they work on for fun — but that they are also supported thru DONATIONS. So, consider developing ROMs for models where there are known customer dissatisfaction issues. Maybe even require a minimum donation of $15 or $25 if you have published a stable ROM that you are committed to for ongoing support.
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I think many developers build and develop custom ROMs in order to practice or just to have fun, not for money. What I think you're proposing is turning what is a fun hobby for many of the developers into a sort of job, which I think is a little unreasonable. This is probably the point where most developers would stop having fun and cease development altogether. I think letting developers pick whatever devices they want to develop for would be for the best. The only thing we can do is wait or send a device their way in hopes that they pick up development. Also, there are already Pixel Experience and LineageOS ROMs for the N10(I'm using Pixel Experience right now and it's pretty stable). If you're feeling extra adventurous, there is a guide to flash GSIs from the GitHub Wiki here.
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I think many developers build and develop custom ROMs in order to practice or just to have fun, not for money. What I think you're proposing is turning what is a fun hobby for many of the developers into a sort of job, which I think is a little unreasonable. This is probably the point where most developers would stop having fun and cease development altogether. I think letting developers pick whatever devices they want to develop for would be for the best. The only thing we can do is wait or send a device their way in hopes that they pick up development. Also, there are already Pixel Experience and LineageOS ROMs for the N10(I'm using Pixel Experience right now and it's pretty stable). If you're feeling extra adventurous, there is a guide to flash GSIs from the GitHub Wiki here.
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Thanks for sharing your point of view. Agreed 100% that these are volunteers who don’t do it for money. Just pointing out that there’s an opportunity for both because of how OnePlus has handled the rollout of Android 11. The OnePlus 9 is part of the Android 12 Beta, but the N10 and other models are still waiting for Android 11.
My goal is just to create awareness of an issue. Given that most custom ROM developers focus on a couple of phone models, they might not be aware of the issues that OnePlus has had. Someone can still be a custom ROM developer on the side for the fun of it, but at the same time pick devices where there is a need. It might increase donations — a way to subsidize the fun.
I held off on installing Pixel or Lineage on my N10 because both mention issues with adaptive brightness — didn’t know if that meant that brightness was randomly changing or if that means it just doesn’t adapt and stays at whatever you have it set on.
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Thanks for sharing your point of view. Agreed 100% that these are volunteers who don’t do it for money. Just pointing out that there’s an opportunity for both because of how OnePlus has handled the rollout of Android 11. The OnePlus 9 is part of the Android 12 Beta, but the N10 and other models are still waiting for Android 11.
My goal is just to create awareness of an issue. Given that most custom ROM developers focus on a couple of phone models, they might not be aware of the issues that OnePlus has had. Someone can still be a custom ROM developer on the side for the fun of it, but at the same time pick devices where there is a need. It might increase donations — a way to subsidize the fun.
I held off on installing Pixel or Lineage on my N10 because both mention issues with adaptive brightness — didn’t know if that meant that brightness was randomly changing or if that means it just doesn’t adapt and stays at whatever you have it set on.
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Thanks for the calm discussion. From your perspective, I can see how looking at all of these OnePlus devices and their lack of recent updates has created a huge void that could be easily filled with custom ROMs. The N10 is no exception; only 1 major android update and that's it, which is obviously a big bummer. I think some developers are aware, but might just be waiting for the "promised" updates to actually occur, slow as they are. I personally think the slow deveopment progress of the N10 relative to other OnePlus devices is most likely because this phone is on the more boring side, and most people have marked it off as budget garbage. Concerning Pixel and Lineage: auto brightness just doesn't work at all, and other than DT2W , both are pretty stable(as indicated by my last post).
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