I'm trying to use a T-Mobile sim in a VS987 and I constantly get the following error message in my notifications: "Sim card is not from verizon wireless"
To make matters worse, every single time I open up a web browser the entire screen gets blurred and I'm hit with the error message: "No internet connection - please contact customer service at (800) 922-0204."
My mobile data works, and having to see that message every single time I open a web browser is very frustrating. I getting help from a few Verizon reps and the last one was such an asshole. When I didn't want to come back to Verizon he was pretty much like "there's nothing I can do", was incredibly aloof, and rude-toned.
Does anyone know how to get around this? All help would be appreciated. I just purchased this phone little over a month ago and I regret it so much that I cannot return it.
You need to edit the apn settings, and the message will not go away, just swipe it away
slawson said:
You need to edit the apn settings, and the message will not go away, just swipe it away
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What do I edit in the APN settings, and edit it to what?
Mr December said:
What do I edit in the APN settings, and edit it to what?
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Google Tmobile APN settings there's plenty easy guides to fellow.
Nick216ohio said:
Google Tmobile APN settings there's plenty easy guides to fellow.
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I already followed these instructions to get the data to work in the first place, however it didn't get rid of the message that prompts every time I open a web browser.
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-30598
If you don't wish to help me, can someone else chime in?
Mr December said:
I already followed these instructions to get the data to work in the first place, however it didn't get rid of the message that prompts every time I open a web browser.
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-30598
If you don't wish to help me, can someone else chime in?
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If you followed that it should work. You may need to do a factory reset if nothing else is working. I had a Verizon g5 before on t-mobiles network without any issues other than it telling me it's not a Verizon sim but data worked and I used browser without any message. I returned it though and ended up getting the t mobile version for root and custom ROMs.
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So after upgrading to ICS I have a voice mail icon on my notification bar. This is a data only device for me with no access to voice mail does anybody have an way to clear the icon?
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Ditto! Had it since first upgrading myself. Just figured out you can slide notifications away after pulling em all up, but sadly that one won't budge.
It's not a big problem, but does get rather annoying.
Has anyone tried removing the phone apks?
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Has anyone tried removing the phone apks?
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This does remove the notification but borks the entire system. No cellular reception at all if you remove the phone.apk and .odex.
similar issue here
I got my Mediapad 2 weeks ago and had to get a new TMO SIM to make calls (old SIM refused to connect to network). I have had the new voicemail icon ever since and I have not upgraded or rooted anything. I'm looking forward to getting a clue on this mystery!
blunelson said:
I got my Mediapad 2 weeks ago and had to get a new TMO SIM to make calls (old SIM refused to connect to network). I have had the new voicemail icon ever since and I have not upgraded or rooted anything. I'm looking forward to getting a clue on this mystery!
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The typical way to get rid of this is to call yourself and leave a voicemail then delete that voicemail. I've had this problem on Android devices in general on the last few iterations of the OS. The problem with the Mediapad is that most of us have a data only plan on our tablets.
I had a similar problem when I asked T-Mo to disable voicemail on my prepaid SIM. Ever since, any device I plug the SIM into remains convinced that there's a new voicemail. This has remained the case for 1.5 years now. Perhaps this is an overall problem with their provisioning of accounts that don't have voice/voicemail.
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I had a similar problem when I asked T-Mo to disable voicemail on my prepaid SIM. Ever since, any device I plug the SIM into remains convinced that there's a new voicemail. This has remained the case for 1.5 years now. Perhaps this is an overall problem with their provisioning of accounts that don't have voice/voicemail.
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So getting a new SIM could possibly resolve the issue.
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So getting a new SIM could possibly resolve the issue.
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I doubt it. For an unrelated reason I had to do a SIM swap on one of my trips to the USA, and the VM icon problem persisted through to the new SIM.
I think it's an issue in the way the accounts are provisioned. And T-Mobile hasn't managed to figure out a solution because I tried with them several times.
Come on guys simple solution.go to settings->apps->look for phone app and clear data/cache if this doesnt work do the same to the dialer app. This only clears that pesky voicemail notifacation.doesnt clear voicemail inbox
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Come on guys simple solution.go to settings->apps->look for phone app and clear data/cache if this doesnt work do the same to the dialer app. This only clears that pesky voicemail notifacation.doesnt clear voicemail inbox
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For me at least this won't work because I have neither a phone app or a dialer app. Nothing to clear, I personally think this is a provisioning issue that T-Mobile needs to deal with.
hiko36 said:
The typical way to get rid of this is to call yourself and leave a voicemail then delete that voicemail. I've had this problem on Android devices in general on the last few iterations of the OS. The problem with the Mediapad is that most of us have a data only plan on our tablets.
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That's the only way I know how to remove the voicemail icon. Can your device use the wifi calling feature? Maybe then you can do what the quote says...
FOUND IT!
I have a T-Mobile Springboard running ICS as well. I went to settings->apps->Mobile Data... and hit Clear Data. It should immediately get rid of the stupid VM icon and I still have access to the mobile data.
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I have a T-Mobile Springboard running ICS as well. I went to settings->apps->Mobile Data... and hit Clear Data. It should immediately get rid of the stupid VM icon and I still have access to the mobile data.
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I'll have to try that when I get home. I meant to bring my tablet with me this morning but was running late. If this works, thanks for the tip!
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I have a T-Mobile Springboard running ICS as well. I went to settings->apps->Mobile Data... and hit Clear Data. It should immediately get rid of the stupid VM icon and I still have access to the mobile data.
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I don't have any option to clear data so unless I'm missing something this isn't option for me.
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I don't have any option to clear data so unless I'm missing something this isn't option for me.
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Rkwhyte,
It is found in Settings->Applications->All apps->Mobile Data
from there select Clear data and BOOM the voicemail icon goes away. Don't touch mobile network configuration though.
luvduchovny said:
Rkwhyte,
It is found in Settings->Applications->All apps->Mobile Data
from there select Clear data and BOOM the voicemail icon goes away. Don't touch mobile network configuration though.
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Thanks for the info that did indeed solve the problem.
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Thanks for the info that did indeed solve the problem.
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The only problem I see though is if I turn the device completely on then turn it on again the VMail icon appears again. But that's okay. At least I know how to clear it when I'm working on my tablet so that I don't accidentally touch it again (which I've done many times). :laugh:
I have the same issue with my tablet plan :crying:
Hello, I've got a quick question to ask on behalf of a friend. I recently setup her verizon note 2 for ATT service via NET10 but the problem is when I call her from lets say my phone number (111)111-1111 it comes in as +11 1 111 11 11.
I've doubled checked the assisted dialing settings and their setup as they should, I've even tried the phone.apk from the ATT NOTE 2, along with telephony.apk files... all with no result. If anyone knows a solution please do feel free to post it as I'm not very smart with this type of issues when it comes to android but I'm starting to suspect its because this phone with a sim card isn't meant to be used locally but over seas.
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Hello, I've got a quick question to ask on behalf of a friend. I recently setup her verizon note 2 for ATT service via NET10 but the problem is when I call her from lets say my phone number (111)111-1111 it comes in as +11 1 111 11 11.
I've doubled checked the assisted dialing settings and their setup as they should, I've even tried the phone.apk from the ATT NOTE 2, along with telephony.apk files... all with no result. If anyone knows a solution please do feel free to post it as I'm not very smart with this type of issues when it comes to android but I'm starting to suspect its because this phone with a sim card isn't meant to be used locally but over seas.
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I have the same setup and same problem. I've looked for 3 months and couldn't find a fix. And as of 2 days ago, i'm not longer able to recieve mms. I can send just fine but incoming keeps failing to download. I've tried several apn's and nothing seems to work. it's strange because it's been working fine past few months. Other than that, Net10 is great on this phone as long as you don't have to call CS for anything.
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I have the same setup and same problem. I've looked for 3 months and couldn't find a fix. And as of 2 days ago, i'm not longer able to recieve mms. I can send just fine but incoming keeps failing to download. I've tried several apn's and nothing seems to work. it's strange because it's been working fine past few months. Other than that, Net10 is great on this phone as long as you don't have to call CS for anything.
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Also having this problem only if I return a call from a previous incoming call it fails because of the "+" prefix.
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Also having this problem only if I return a call from a previous incoming call it fails because of the "+" prefix.
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mine does the sane thing. so I have to either go into contacts or manually put the number. checked all my settings to make sure international calling wasn't causing the problem. I have no idea what's causing this.
I did find an apn that fixed my mms issue though.
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Anyone able to resolve this issue yet? I am in the same boat and have to manually enter the number to dial back
code_monkey74 said:
I have the same setup and same problem. I've looked for 3 months and couldn't find a fix. And as of 2 days ago, i'm not longer able to recieve mms. I can send just fine but incoming keeps failing to download. I've tried several apn's and nothing seems to work. it's strange because it's been working fine past few months. Other than that, Net10 is great on this phone as long as you don't have to call CS for anything.
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You can solve the MMS issue by getting another messaging APP like TEXTRA and adding the MMS APN setting in it. It will work fine after that.
lochapiece14 said:
Anyone able to resolve this issue yet? I am in the same boat and have to manually enter the number to dial back
You can solve the MMS issue by getting another messaging APP like TEXTRA and adding the MMS APN setting in it. It will work fine after that.
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I fixed it by flashing an att note 2 ROM. I moved on from the note 2 since though.
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note 2 issues
Febby said:
Hello, I've got a quick question to ask on behalf of a friend. I recently setup her verizon note 2 for ATT service via NET10 but the problem is when I call her from lets say my phone number (111)111-1111 it comes in as +11 1 111 11 11.
I've doubled checked the assisted dialing settings and their setup as they should, I've even tried the phone.apk from the ATT NOTE 2, along with telephony.apk files... all with no result. If anyone knows a solution please do feel free to post it as I'm not very smart with this type of issues when it comes to android but I'm starting to suspect its because this phone with a sim card isn't meant to be used locally but over seas.
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I have spent days looking over this site and others like it. Can not for the life of me find a solution. I too have the verizon international note 2, use straight talk(att) and want my gps. I flashed the clean rom ace version onto my note, if i use the verizon option, gps works, but get a message can not make international calls if i call someone who just called me. the +1 issue. IF i use the att option the phone works flawless.... except no gps. I tried the beans flash and dirty back to clean rom with no avail. any one fix the issue? I need att service on verizon international phone with the gps!!!
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I have spent days looking over this site and others like it. Can not for the life of me find a solution. I too have the verizon international note 2, use straight talk(att) and want my gps. I flashed the clean rom ace version onto my note, if i use the verizon option, gps works, but get a message can not make international calls if i call someone who just called me. the +1 issue. IF i use the att option the phone works flawless.... except no gps. I tried the beans flash and dirty back to clean rom with no avail. any one fix the issue? I need att service on verizon international phone with the gps!!!
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I have the same problem, if anyone figures this out please tell us
So yesterday I'm on the phone and I go to send a picture to someone(MMS) and after a bit it came up with a box saying it failed and to retry now or later. I tried it a few more times and still nothing. I know my Galaxy S3 allowed me to send picture messages while in calls so is this a device limitation? Am I the only one experiencing this? Or is there a New law or something that doesn't allow picture sending while in calls for some reason?
Just wanted to get some feedback to see what other people are experiencing.
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So yesterday I'm on the phone and I go to send a picture to someone(MMS) and after a bit it came up with a box saying it failed and to retry now or later. I tried it a few more times and still nothing. I know my Galaxy S3 allowed me to send picture messages while in calls so is this a device limitation? Am I the only one experiencing this? Or is there a New law or something that doesn't allow picture sending while in calls for some reason?
Just wanted to get some feedback to see what other people are experiencing.
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Which app were you trying to send it through? And no, there is no new law that would stop this.
Is it possible you were on wifi when you were trying? From what I understand Verizon devices will not send picture messages over wifi, they have to use the network.
Stock LG messaging app, stock dialer. Rooted device and that's about it. I noticed I actually do not need mobile data on to send and receive picture messages normally (not in a call) so I typically leave it off when I don't need it for data.
My setup when I tried was WiFi on and connected to my home network, mobile data off, and phone call present. Would not allow me to send the picture. I'll try it with data on later and see if it works.
Didn't think it was a law, Which is good. May be that the data was off. And yes Verizon phones do not send pictures through WiFi they do need mobile data for Verizon services (text,MMS).
Well weird.. Called my voicemail and sent a picture message to myself and it went through both with data on and off.
Well I must have had another issue last night where it wasn't wanting to send. Weird thing is it sent after I hit try again and was off the phone.
Only thing I could think of is that the area I was at before typically gets less coverage (although still 4g).
So I'm confused but as long as it works I'll be happy!
Any solutions please update us
XXchocolatetouchXX said:
Stock LG messaging app, stock dialer. Rooted device and that's about it. I noticed I actually do not need mobile data on to send and receive picture messages normally (not in a call) so I typically leave it off when I don't need it for data.
My setup when I tried was WiFi on and connected to my home network, mobile data off, and phone call present. Would not allow me to send the picture. I'll try it with data on later and see if it works.
Didn't think it was a law, Which is good. May be that the data was off. And yes Verizon phones do not send pictures through WiFi they do need mobile data for Verizon services (text,MMS).
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XXchocolatetouchXX said:
Well weird.. Called my voicemail and sent a picture message to myself and it went through both with data on and off.
Well I must have had another issue last night where it wasn't wanting to send. Weird thing is it sent after I hit try again and was off the phone.
Only thing I could think of is that the area I was at before typically gets less coverage (although still 4g).
So I'm confused but as long as it works I'll be happy!
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Any solutions please update us
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I the solution was found. Apparently a fluke issue.
Yes, seems something else was the issue there. I figured it was the call because that was the main thing I was using the phone for. If I get anymore info on this I will share.
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Yes, seems something else was the issue there. I figured it was the call because that was the main thing I was using the phone for. If I get anymore info on this I will share.
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Thanks a lot for your sincere efforts...☺
Been waiting on AT&T to get back to me, having opened a tech ticket (On Sunday) to resolve issue. I can receive MMS messages, but I can't send one. Regular SMS not a problem. Have no issue with my Data connection. Reviewing the logcat file, I see a HTTP 502 error bad gateway showing up when the error occurs. So I am wondering if this is an issue with the HTC Phone on AT&T Network.
I have tried using different APNs, but that doesn't have any effect. I then decided to try a different ROM from Stock, and installed Venom latest. That had no effect.
So anyone else having an issue with sending MMS on AT&T with the M9?
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Been waiting on AT&T to get back to me, having opened a tech ticket (On Sunday) to resolve issue. I can receive MMS messages, but I can't send one. Regular SMS not a problem. Have no issue with my Data connection. Reviewing the logcat file, I see a HTTP 502 error bad gateway showing up when the error occurs. So I am wondering if this is an issue with the HTC Phone on AT&T Network.
I have tried using different APNs, but that doesn't have any effect. I then decided to try a different ROM from Stock, and installed Venom latest. That had no effect.
So anyone else having an issue with sending MMS on AT&T with the M9?
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Ruu and start over. Something has happened somewhere. I can't think of anything but a setting that would cause that. I would only backup your photos etc, i would not restore back to your current setup. Use ruu.exe or sdcard method, not fastboot method.
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Ruu and start over. Something has happened somewhere. I can't think of anything but a setting that would cause that. I would only backup your photos etc, i would not restore back to your current setup. Use ruu.exe or sdcard method, not fastboot method.
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I'm going to wait for AT&T I think it's an error on their end. Supposed to hear by Friday.
I have had that exact problem with a different device before and it was an issue on the network side, not the device. They had to do some reprovisioning with line and that fixed it up. It is ridiculous that they are making wait so long when it is such an easy fix. Have you tried sending an MMS to yourself? Sometimes this helps with the provisioning.
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I have had that exact problem with a different device before and it was an issue on the network side, not the device. They had to do some reprovisioning with line and that fixed it up. It is ridiculous that they are making wait so long when it is such an easy fix. Have you tried sending an MMS to yourself? Sometimes this helps with the provisioning.
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Yes I have tried that, and sometimes it works but mostly doesn't. Supposed to hear back today.
AT&T never got back to me, so I had to call them. The girl I was working with seems to think it's the SIM card. That doesn't make sense to me, because if it works with the Interwebs, Facebook, Instagram,and I can recieve MMS, then I would think it's not the SIM card, whatever. Am going to test it the SIM card on my S4 to see if that makes a difference (Don't think it will.)
The people that answer the phone when you call are the first level of support. They know very little when it comes to technical support. If turns out not to be the sim card, calk back and ask them to pass you on to the next level of support.
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fernandezhjr said:
The people that answer the phone when you call are the first level of support. They know very little when it comes to technical support. If turns out not to be the sim card, calk back and ask them to pass you on to the next level of support.
Sent from my HTC One M9 using Tapatalk
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I agree, the person I spoke with last Sunday elevated me to a next level tech who was still unable to figure it out. After trying a new sim card which still didn't work, I did a data reset from settings. It fixed the problem, and I still had root
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go into Apps manager go to all and find, [MmsService] in there you will find how to turn it back on had the same problem.
borg00 said:
go into Apps manager go to all and find, [MmsService] in there you will find how to turn it back on had the same problem.
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Thanks I'll keep that in mind!
I recently purchased a V30 H931 and was hoping to use it on Verizon.
I followed the guides and Frankensteined it to US998 and unlocked the bootloader. Had no problems with that.
MMS, calls and data work just fine.
SMS both sends and receives, but the phone never thinks it sends it successfully. It gets stuck on sending and eventually shows a "failure" prompting me to retry.
Tried rebooting, multiple messages app, removing SIM (still works fine in my old phone) and even flashed the stock Verizon rom. Never once has it realized that the SMS is sent successfully.
Was I wrong in my research that I could fully convert the H931 to work on Verizon? Does anyone have ideas or has anyone fixed this problem?
If I need to return the phone, is it possible to lock the bootloader and get it back to stock H931?
Thanks for any help.
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I recently purchased a V30 H931 and was hoping to use it on Verizon.
I followed the guides and Frankensteined it to US998 and unlocked the bootloader. Had no problems with that.
MMS, calls and data work just fine.
SMS both sends and receives, but the phone never thinks it sends it successfully. It gets stuck on sending and eventually shows a "failure" prompting me to retry.
Tried rebooting, multiple messages app, removing SIM (still works fine in my old phone) and even flashed the stock Verizon rom. Never once has it realized that the SMS is sent successfully.
Was I wrong in my research that I could fully convert the H931 to work on Verizon? Does anyone have ideas or has anyone fixed this problem?
If I need to return the phone, is it possible to lock the bootloader and get it back to stock H931?
Thanks for any help.
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This has been discussed in other threads, with solutions. I'll try to find them
What app are you using?
Also, have your tried flashing the VS996 20D stock firmware rom in TWRP?
ChazzMatt said:
This has been discussed in other threads, with solutions. I'll try to find them
What app are you using?
Also, have your tried flashing the VS996 20D stock firmware rom in TWRP?
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Yes I've flashed this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/development/rom-lg-vs996-20d-rom-t3830564
Still didn't work.
I've tried multiple messages apps including the two that come default with the above rom Meesaging, Verizon Message+ and I have also tried Googles Messages app.
I appreciate your help. Thank you.
Edit: I found this thread with no real solution for OP: https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/help/sms-stuck-sending-using-frankenstein-t3823757
I may just have to return the phone and buy a different model. Do you know what the process would be to lock the bootloader and flash stock H931?
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Yes I've flashed this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/development/rom-lg-vs996-20d-rom-t3830564
Still didn't work.
I've tried multiple messages apps including the two that come default with the above rom Meesaging, Verizon Message+ and I have also tried Googles Messages app.
I appreciate your help. Thank you.
Edit: I found this thread with no real solution for OP: https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/help/sms-stuck-sending-using-frankenstein-t3823757
I may just have to return the phone and buy a different model. Do you know what the process would be to lock the bootloader and flash stock H931?
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@my.ads0 fixed it:
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After a lot of sleuthing, and some subsequent testing, I found that the default APN settings for MMS messaging is saved in:
\root\data\data\com.android.mms\shared_prefs\com.a ndroid.mms_preferences.xml
Now, there's a lot of other stuff in there, and I didn't feel comfortable changing things around in that file, so I used another program, Shortcut Master Lite, from the XDA forums, to search for those hidden settings.
In ShortcutMaster Lite, I clicked the hamburger (3-dot) button choose App Explorer.
I scrolled down to and clicked on Messaging (com.android.mms)
I scrolled to the bottom and clicked on MmsSprintSettingActivity
I clicked on Launch
There I was able to see what the default MMS settings are. In my case, this was still set to the Sprint URL, https:/mms.sprintpcs.com, and some fancy Gateway and Port.
I changed these values to match up with Verizon's MMS settings, so I set the URL to http://mms.vtext.com/servelets/mms, and then left Gateway and Set Port blank. After saving this, the phone IMMEDIATELY rebooted on it's own. After a brief heart attack, the phone rebooted and .... whaBAM! Both Messaging and Messenger work fine now!
I posted instructions in the Guide section as well. That can be found here.
Thanks for your assistance, everybody.
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Go here to read more:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/how-to/guide-how-fixed-mms-settings-flashable-t3856109
Did you setup the apn correctly?
ChazzMatt said:
@my.ads0 fixed it:
Go here to read more:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/how-to/guide-how-fixed-mms-settings-flashable-t3856109
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That issue seems a bit different. I am having no issues with MMS. I tried pulling up that setting and the url is already set correctly. I deleted the gateway and port and that did not fix it so I put them back.
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Yes APN is set correctly from what I've found online.
Any other suggestions?
wsimon said:
That issue seems a bit different. I am having no issues with MMS. I tried pulling up that setting and the url is already set correctly. I deleted the gateway and port and that did not fix it so I put them back.
Yes APN is set correctly from what I've found online.
Any other suggestions?
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EDIT: If it's already correct, how about the SMS settings? Are they there also?
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Well try it anyway. Texting/SMS/MMS are very related.
It's about making sure you have the right settings for Verizon instead of Sprint.
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EDIT: If it's already correct, how about the SMS settings? Are they there also?
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Well try it anyway. Texting/SMS/MMS are very related.
It's about making sure you have the right settings for Verizon instead of Sprint.
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I didn't see anything there for SMS. All the settings there were set correctly for Verizon.
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I didn't see anything there for SMS. All the settings there were set correctly for Verizon.
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@wsimon did you ever solve this issue of sending SMS messages?
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@wsimon did you ever solve this issue of sending SMS messages?
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No I ended up returning the phone and buying a different model.