hi so i rooted my phone with Twrp V3 messi one it deleted my operating system :\\ and i need a backup rom restore file could someone make one and be able to give me it so i can restore my phone thank you so much i really thank you for it if you do it.
Backup also needed
I have the same situation and was wondering if you ever received a backup and if so could you give me a link to the file? Thank you.
Link to new recovery
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/development/twrp-lg-aristo-aka-lv3-t3656019
And then you can flash the iPioneer stock rom.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/development/rom-ipioneer-stock-10i-v1-t3637393
Hope this helps.
@[email protected] has got you covered.
What I'd like to understand is what both of you did to wipe your system. There is literally no way for twrp to wipe your system partition unless you chose to wipe system.
It could happen. It happened to me while I was compiling the recovery. Misc partition not commented out in the fstab causes the recovery to wipe the system using the physical keys.
[email protected] said:
It could happen. It happened to me while I was compiling the recovery. Misc partition not commented out in the fstab causes the recovery to wipe the system using the physical keys.
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But the fstab commit was for the stock lg recovery, which when using the hard key boot for recovery only performed a factory reset which also slid into the v1 twrp.
ninjasinabag said:
But the fstab commit was for the stock lg recovery, which when using the hard key boot for recovery only performed a factory reset which also slid into the v1 twrp.
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No fstab is the file system table it tells the recovery what partitions are on the device. Without the twrp.fstab or recovery.fstab twrp would not boot up.
Read this :
https://source.android.com/devices/tech/ota/device_code
ninjasinabag said:
@[email protected] has got you covered.
What I'd like to understand is what both of you did to wipe your system. There is literally no way for twrp to wipe your system partition unless you chose to wipe system.
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I must have checked the system partition in twrp on accident and for some reason did not create a Nandroid on my sd card but instead had it backed up to internal storage of which I wiped as well. Anyway, I am with T-Mobile and I flashed ipioneer and it works fine aside from having to make a few modifications because the dev decided he was the only one of whom should have administrative privileges to the ROM. I have to admit it was a pretty simple fix. All I had to do was pull the boot.img from the kdz file and flash it in fastboot mode. Oh, I had to remove the super user files as well which was not a problem with twrp recovery. I'm not making any judgment calls but it seems a little fishy to me that the developer would not have ulterior motives of having root privileges to my device.Hmmm, just something to think about before you flash this ROM or if you do... ipioneer? NO, I PIONEER MY OWN DEVICE!!! Aside from that, big shout out to the developer it was a lifesaver aside from that one small glitch.
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sdflowers32 said:
I must have checked the system partition in twrp on accident and for some reason did not create a Nandroid on my sd card but instead had it backed up to internal storage of which I wiped as well. Anyway, I am with T-Mobile and I flashed ipioneer and it works fine aside from having to make a few modifications because the dev decided he was the only one of whom should have administrative privileges to the ROM. I have to admit it was a pretty simple fix. All I had to do was pull the boot.img from the kdz file and flash it in fastboot mode. Oh, I had to remove the super user files as well which was not a problem with twrp recovery. I'm not making any judgment calls but it seems a little fishy to me that the developer would not have ulterior motives of having root privileges to my device.Hmmm, just something to think about before you flash this ROM or if you do... ipioneer? NO, I PIONEER MY OWN DEVICE!!! Aside from that, big shout out to the developer it was a lifesaver aside from that one small glitch.
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Ummmmmm.
SuperSU was installed in the room to save you time. Not for anything fishy, a large majority of custom roms based on CyanogenMod and lineage os both have insystem root privileges from the start.
If you really are worried about someone doing something with your device that you feel isn't kosher, just look at outgoing data or in your list of apps.
Either way, I can promise you that the root access is only for you and nobody else to use.
Also, it's mildly insulting to make a claim like this because if it ends up being taken seriously, the developer could end up being barred from posting and that would cost us in the long run.
No offense to you, but that's just the facts on these kind of things.
ninjasinabag said:
Ummmmmm.
SuperSU was installed in the room to save you time. Not for anything fishy, a large majority of custom roms based on CyanogenMod and lineage os both have insystem root privileges from the start.
If you really are worried about someone doing something with your device that you feel isn't kosher, just look at outgoing data or in your list of apps.
Either way, I can promise you that the root access is only for you and nobody else to use.
Also, it's mildly insulting to make a claim like this because if it ends up being taken seriously, the developer could end up being barred from posting and that would cost us in the long run.
No offense to you, but that's just the facts on these kind of things.
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You have a point and I do apologize. I don't use SuperSU because of the fact that it modifies the system partition and doesn't pass Google's safety net. I tried flashing a systemless root and it wouldn't allow me. Really the reason I said what I said was because when you flash the ROM he makes some remarks about being the only one with root privileges to the ROM so it had me a little confused I guess. Thanks for making the point though because I'm not trying to do anyone any harm I just hope that others have that same notion in mind. Believe me there are a lot of people that develop custom roms for hacking purposes so it's not unheard of. Anyways thanks again!
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You have a point and I do apologize. I don't use SuperSU because of the fact that it modifies the system partition and doesn't pass Google's safety net. I tried flashing a systemless root and it wouldn't allow me. Really the reason I said what I said was because when you flash the ROM he makes some remarks about being the only one with root privileges to the ROM so it had me a little confused I guess. Thanks for making the point though because I'm not trying to do anyone any harm I just hope that others have that same notion in mind. Believe me there are a lot of people that develop custom roms for hacking purposes so it's not unheard of. Anyways thanks again!
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No, I understand. No harm, no foul.
Normally If there is something fishy going on with your device, you can check your output. Data isn't censored from the monitor. So if your device is sending, you'll be able to see it.
If it was using the LG data gathering system (by way of rerouting the server for which the data gets sent to) your device wouldn't be able to connect to the LG app repository.
Anyway, there's no issue in being careful with what you do with your device. Especially if you have a valid worry like this, but it helps to get any relevant data on the subject of worry before you make any claims. (Sorry about the lecture, but I'd rather be outright instead of babying you on this since it helps in the long run to know as much as possible)
If there's anything you're curious about, or if you have a thought about something or another, just message @[email protected] @xtremelora or myself.
I can't speak for the others, but I'm almost always on and willing to share what little I do know.
Okay, and once again thank you for the information. One of the reasons I root my devices to begin with is because of all the permissions and just invasive ways of the world in general. And I'm not just talking about people, I'm talking about the cell phone carriers and manufacturers and so on and so forth. Seems like everyone's trying to gather your information all the time and it's a NeverEnding Story so it does have me on edge at times. And yes if I have any questions you seem to be quite knowledgeable about things of this nature so I wouldn't be hesitant to message you or the others you mentioned. Once again, I'm really glad you said something because by no means do I want to hurt anyone or make anyone look bad who is actually doing many people like myself favors because I'm not exactly a noob but I've only been at this for a couple of years now and have a lot to learn. Thanks again.
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Like I said, it's nothing to worry about. We all start from the bottom and make our way up the ladder, but we only go so far without everyone else pending a hand when we get stuck.
Or in my case, being stubborn enough to break everything and back track until you fix what you broke. Lmao
sdflowers32 said:
I must have checked the system partition in twrp on accident and for some reason did not create a Nandroid on my sd card but instead had it backed up to internal storage of which I wiped as well. Anyway, I am with T-Mobile and I flashed ipioneer and it works fine aside from having to make a few modifications because the dev decided he was the only one of whom should have administrative privileges to the ROM. I have to admit it was a pretty simple fix. All I had to do was pull the boot.img from the kdz file and flash it in fastboot mode. Oh, I had to remove the super user files as well which was not a problem with twrp recovery. I'm not making any judgment calls but it seems a little fishy to me that the developer would not have ulterior motives of having root privileges to my device.Hmmm, just something to think about before you flash this ROM or if you do... ipioneer? NO, I PIONEER MY OWN DEVICE!!! Aside from that, big shout out to the developer it was a lifesaver aside from that one small glitch.
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Dude....
First, hello buddy.
Second, the stock iPioneer rom doesn't have SuperSu installed on (unless SuperR. kitchen didn't eliminate all traces from adb wich would not be my fault).
Third, the stament "Let's set the permissions..... Well, super power are only mine..." IT IS FOR METADATA PERMISSIONS not for ROOT privileges (wich is not present in that rom)
Fourth, if you pay attention to the updater-script inside the rom and chech every statement I wrote you can notice they are FUNNY or SARCASTIC
Finally, there is not an statement for SuperSu on any of my roms (stock, slim, core) because SuperSu it has its own statement that you can see when is installing on twrp.
But you are right, we all need to proceed with caution when we modify our phones. Did you laugh with the: "Let's extract the boot image... Boot image, the pictures of boots?..." statement?
BTW: I would like to do a neutral rom for Tmo and Mtro.
Thank you @ninjasinabag for mention my username, I usually don't read other post about this device.
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Dude....
First, hello buddy.
Second, the stock iPioneer rom doesn't have SuperSu installed on (unless SuperR. kitchen didn't eliminate all traces from adb wich would not be my fault).
Third, the stament "Let's set the permissions..... Well, super power are only mine..." IT IS FOR METADATA PERMISSIONS not for ROOT privileges (wich is not present in that rom)
Fourth, if you pay attention to the updater-script inside the rom and chech every statement I wrote you can notice they are FUNNY or SARCASTIC
Finally, there is not an statement for SuperSu on any of my roms (stock, slim, core) because SuperSu it has its own statement that you can see when is installing on twrp.
But you are right, we all need to proceed with caution when we modify our phones. Did you laugh with the: "Let's extract the boot image... Boot image, the pictures of boots?..." statement?
BTW: I would like to do a neutral rom for Tmo and Mtro.
Thank you @ninjasinabag for mention my username, I usually don't read other post about this device.
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I wanted to make sure you could clarify in your defense since you are the developer, but this is also a moment for introduction so we can avoid scenarios like this.
How can I get a zip file of the t mobile variant of the stock Rom to flash in twrp? I flashed the ipioneer Rom but I have t mobile and im having problems....
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While there are many how to threads on pretty much everything, theres not much going into deeper details. While ofc any of us wishing to learn has google and can find many answers, its just from here the the answers mean a little more. My fear is, my self included, is that there are many of us with misconceptions on some of the inner workings or just bad knowledge. Just to be clear this is to clear up exactly what some of the terms we hear and use actually mean as well as some of the practices.
For example
Regarding Odin
How many partitions exist on the internal memory, and what are there functions.
What exactly does the PIT file do.
What all does the TAR file contain (full package) and how does it write to the partitions.
What is the csc option?
What else should we know about odin?
Why has nobody removed the phone option for our purposes here?
Voodoo, exactly what partition is it changing and how is it actually converting.
Which cache is used for what and where is it stored?
Just some things off the top of my head that i don't have a complete understanding of and wish to learn more. Again for this thread at least i am looking for some details from people that actually do understand. There are many of us that can spew out answers to these and more that are just close to right without a full comprehension.
This is for learning and not just getting enough to get you through a problem as im sure many of us are guilty of
I found the same problem when I first got into Android but this is more a forum for developers who know what they are doing.
MattRussNC said:
How many partitions exist on the internal memory, and what are there functions.
What exactly does the PIT file do.
What all does the TAR file contain (full package) and how does it write to the partitions.
What is the csc option?
What else should we know about odin?
Why has nobody removed the phone option for our purposes here?
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There are I think about 10-11 partitions on the internal storage. You have /system, /data, /cache, /dbdata, modem, bootloader, secondary bootloader, kernel, recovery, there is a partition dedicated for OTA updates, and another one as well, though I'm not sure what it is for. There may be more as well.
The PIT file is the partition information table, which tells Odin where each partition starts/ends.
The TAR file can contain any of a number of items for flashing, and they'll get flashed to the appropriate partitions based on their name.
factoryfs.rfs=/system
dbdata.rfs=/dbdata
cache.rfs=/cache
movinand.bin=/data
param.lfs=the .lfs partition, not sure exactly what it does
boot.bin=bootloader
sbl.bin=secondary bootloader
modem.bin=modem/radio/baseband
zImage=kernel
recovery.bin=recovery kernel
Adding a md5 sum to the tar file and renaming it to .tar.md5 allows for built in error correction.
Not sure what csc mode is, but I've never seen it used, so I'd avoid it.
Odin is a tool created by Samsung as far as I'm aware for flashing their phones. No one has the source, or knows exactly where the tool came from, so that is also likely why no one has removed the phone button, because you'd have to HEX edit the executable to remove it, and there is no telling what effects it may have, so it's better to just leave it alone.
MattRussNC said:
Voodoo, exactly what partition is it changing and how is it actually converting.
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Voodoo converts the primary partitions of the phone, /system, /data, /cache, /dbdata. It converts by backing up the data to a file, reformatting the partition, then restoring the data from the file. If it didn't backup the data, it'd just be formatting the system.
MattRussNC said:
Which cache is used for what and where is it stored?
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Cache is similar to a temporary storage area for files that are created and used frequently/semi-frequently. The files there aren't fully needed, but help speed up the system.
phonefiend said:
I found the same problem when I first got into Android but this is more a forum for developers who know what they are doing.
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Well I do believe I would have to argue that most people that visit this forum knows what they are doing. While a great many here including myself that knows enough to get by, we would all be better off knowing more. Also since this is q&a forum I thought it would be a good place to ask and learn more then "how do root"
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Had no idea there was that many partitions. What was the reason that radios couldn't be flashed to the proper partition along with everything else? (as in why we always have to flash the modems on thee own)
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MattRussNC said:
Had no idea there was that many partitions. What was the reason that radios couldn't be flashed to the proper partition along with everything else? (as in why we always have to flash the modems on thee own)
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No one is completely sure how to flash a full modem file via recovery, and it may not be possible without using stock recovery. The only tried and true method that is know for flashing full modem.bin files is Odin (and Heimdall), so that's why it's always a separate step.
MattRussNC said:
Well I do believe I would have to argue that most people that visit this forum knows what they are doing. While a great many here including myself that knows enough to get by, we would all be better off knowing more. Also since this is q&a forum I thought it would be a good place to ask and learn more then "how do root"
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I think you misinterpreted my post. I'm just saying I also was looking for the same information you want but it didn't seem that the people in the know wanted to explain all the details you're looking for. It seems in your case someone at least tried to answer some of you questions, which is great.
phonefiend said:
I think you misinterpreted my post. I'm just saying I also was looking for the same information you want but it didn't seem that the people in the know wanted to explain all the details you're looking for. It seems in your case someone at least tried to answer some of you questions, which is great.
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People are much more likely to answer questions when they're posted in the correct section. You also tend to get questions answered if you join IRC and ask things, but don't expect to get everything handed to you, there is likely to be some work/searching on your own part as well.
imnuts said:
People are much more likely to answer questions when they're posted in the correct section. You also tend to get questions answered if you join IRC and ask things, but don't expect to get everything handed to you, there is likely to be some work/searching on your own part as well.
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Thank you for the answers to those first off. My apologies if i placed this in the wrong section, i thought this part was open for these types of questions.
Im sure irc is a great place to learn a great deal, however i fear asking in irc things that have been discussed many times. While searching will absolutely give you a very basic knowledge it is often repeated from those that don't fully understand it and may have it a little off. This isnt a cut at anybody as it should fall to the lower tiers to answer to the common issues that arise. However that kind of information is normally only good for solving a problem. For when there is no trouble and one wishes to know more about what they just did instead of how they did it, things fall short. Just about every member here can root, cwm flash, and odin but how many of us truly understand the process in detail. i know i dont, but i would like to. Thats what im looking for in this thread. Not how to do what we do, but whats taking place underneath.
Thanks again for the answers so far.
if this is in the wrong area and doesn't getting removed please let it fade.
imnuts said:
People are much more likely to answer questions when they're posted in the correct section. You also tend to get questions answered if you join IRC and ask things, but don't expect to get everything handed to you, there is likely to be some work/searching on your own part as well.
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You're right about IRC being the place where questions may be answered. As far as searching, I can tell you a lot of the technical details aren't answered here.
MattRussNC said:
Thank you for the answers to those first off. My apologies if i placed this in the wrong section, i thought this part was open for these types of questions.
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This is the proper place for questions. The problem is that many people will post their questions similar to this in the development forum, and that just gets the thread no where. And searching for technical info is difficult because usually you get flooded with useless stuff in your search.
imnuts said:
There are I think about 10-11 partitions on the internal storage. You have /system, /data, /cache, /dbdata, modem, bootloader, secondary bootloader, kernel, recovery, there is a partition dedicated for OTA updates, and another one as well, though I'm not sure what it is for. There may be more as well.
The PIT file is the partition information table, which tells Odin where each partition starts/ends.
The TAR file can contain any of a number of items for flashing, and they'll get flashed to the appropriate partitions based on their name.
factoryfs.rfs=/system
dbdata.rfs=/dbdata
cache.rfs=/cache
movinand.bin=/data
param.lfs=the .lfs partition, not sure exactly what it does
boot.bin=bootloader
sbl.bin=secondary bootloader
modem.bin=modem/radio/baseband
zImage=kernel
recovery.bin=recovery kernel
Adding a md5 sum to the tar file and renaming it to .tar.md5 allows for built in error correction.
Not sure what csc mode is, but I've never seen it used, so I'd avoid it.
Odin is a tool created by Samsung as far as I'm aware for flashing their phones. No one has the source, or knows exactly where the tool came from, so that is also likely why no one has removed the phone button, because you'd have to HEX edit the executable to remove it, and there is no telling what effects it may have, so it's better to just leave it alone.
Voodoo converts the primary partitions of the phone, /system, /data, /cache, /dbdata. It converts by backing up the data to a file, reformatting the partition, then restoring the data from the file. If it didn't backup the data, it'd just be formatting the system.
Cache is similar to a temporary storage area for files that are created and used frequently/semi-frequently. The files there aren't fully needed, but help speed up the system.
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I was wondering some of those terms my self.
thanks for all the Great info,
One thing been bugging me lately. Most likely every one has experienced the need to either wipe the caches more then once or flash multiple times for success. How is it that wiping cache is not 100%. Why does flashing a rom more then once sometimes yield different results when done the exact same way?
i believe the phone button in odin is to flash radio/modem alone
which we unfortunately do not have (yet)
the phone button and other buttons are still there because the gsm ones, like the captivate and vibrant, are using it
jk0l said:
i believe the phone button in odin is to flash radio/modem alone
which we unfortunately do not have (yet)
the phone button and other buttons are still there because the gsm ones, like the captivate and vibrant, are using it
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I've only flashed the modem/radio by itself in the PDA button like everything else. As far as I know, we only flash things for the Fascinate through the PDA button (except of course for the atlas v2.2 PIT file.) That includes ROMs bundled in an ODIN package, modems/radios, and recoveries.
jk0l said:
i believe the phone button in odin is to flash radio/modem alone
which we unfortunately do not have (yet)
the phone button and other buttons are still there because the gsm ones, like the captivate and vibrant, are using it
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The phone button is for completely different devices, likely their regular, non-smartphone, devices. It is not meant for flashing anything for the Fascinate.
Could have found a better place i guess but this will do. Noticed we are still without a FAQ aside from the outdated one as well as the guide. I thought perhaps some discussion on what should be included in a FAQ was in order to fill the gap.
Simple basic guides are important and have there place, however as one can use links to more details there is no reason not to have a comprehensive guide.
Just a thought. Most of us know the basics of what root is and how to gain that access. Most of us also has no idea exactly how get root manually without following instructions either. So what i was hoping for in the next guide
Q= What is root ?
A= Super user access needed for apps that need more control over your device like titanium backup
For more information click here
Then give the full out dev definition including the details that require reading up to understand. For those that want to learn.
Q= How do i root ?
A= Flash this package in odin (and give the dl link as well as a odin guide link)
For more information click here
Have the full process laid out by what needs to be done in shell without giving the copy and paste instructions. For those that want to understand what they are doing more than just doing it.
Just thought it would be nice if our next guide could be useful to more then just beginners.
I keep seeing talk about "DON'T USE ROM MANAGER" it is causing issues right now in MANY DIFFERENT THREADS. Just wanted to show anyone that has issues with rom manager and how it worked for me. I have used rom manager to download roms (CM7), and also run BACKUPS from rom manager. So Rom Manager does work without issue for CM7, and still works well with any other rom for our ATT SGS2's with one little catch which is very easy to do. I know the video is not the greatest quality as I used my old cappy to record running rom manager as a backup. So if this helps you out great. If not know big deal, just thought I would try to help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9JwYtDC4rA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Can you post what that one little catch is, instead of making us watch a 6 minute video?
re: rom manager
RockRatt said:
I keep seeing talk about "DON'T USE ROM MANAGER" it is causing issues right now in MANY DIFFERENT THREADS. Just wanted to show anyone that has issues with rom manager and how it worked for me. I have used rom manager to download roms (CM7), and also run BACKUPS from rom manager. So Rom Manager does work without issue for CM7, and still works well with any other rom for our ATT SGS2's with one little catch which is very easy to do. I know the video is not the greatest quality as I used my old cappy to record running rom manager as a backup. So if this helps you out great. If not know big deal, just thought I would try to help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9JwYtDC4rA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Sent From My KICKASS CM7 AT&T SGS2
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Why mess with something which can only cause grief to most people.
Best to wait for a new update of it which is fully compatible with our
phones and all the custom roms.
Until then here is a very good substitude which include many of the
same features and options as rom manager and is 100% compatible.
Check it out!
CWM Manager can be downloaded here: http://megaupload.com/?d=TGXMLL1G
It's very easy to use because its fully self-explanitory.
jetarpon said:
Can you post what that one little catch is, instead of making us watch a 6 minute video?
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It is when the phone first goes to reboot to recovery that it will go to a black screen with a symbol on it, when you see that screen you just hold down the three button salute until screen goes black, then let go of the buttons, the backup process will begin where it should be and create your backups.
Rom manager is NO GRIEF at all and MOST know of it and how it works. This is a VERY EASY workaround rather than having another app to install to do the same exact things. But I guess there are people that cannot read instructions and follow so I SHOWED how it is done. But when you see people saying it didn't work for them on different post because they are not familiar enough to use it. I am not pointing you out MrJunky but I ha e seen you post this over and over again. I am just trying to help those out that may need it.
Hopefully others can see HOW EASY it is with a video to backup their roms (ANY ROM), then how to go about switching between backed up roms very easily. This way they can test out DGs roms, Unnamed rom, CM7, or any other rom without the fear of screwing up anything. So that is why the video shows How To BACKUP and how to SWITCH between different roms via your backups.
Sent From My KICKASS CM7 AT&T SGS2
So, your "ROM Manager" workaround was to trigger entry into the standard non-broken non-ROM-Manager recovery?
You use the three-finger, you are no longer using ROM Manager.
This is why we tell people not to use ROM Manager. Your method is harder than simply using the three-finger from poweroff, or if you've got a custom ROM, the Recovery option from reboot menu.
Yes the workaround is slightly different as once your phone starts to boot up and goes to the screen you hold down the three buttons. I only did this because I saw others that were pulling the battery since they thought they were stuck. The plus is when using rom manager to backup the current rom you can easily name it via rom manager and.once it is backed up and rebooted you can see the name you picked stuck. I know how to JUST use the three button salute and backup right from cwm, this is.just a workaround for someone wanting to use rom manager. And it.is not any harder than JUST using the three button. It is basically the same except it allows you to use rom manager and name the backed up rom before actually backing it up. This has helped.me.in the past when I made a backup from cwm within the same day for two different roms. I wasn't sure which one was which. So I didn't want to JUST try to rename them after the fact. Yes it is NOT a big deal here but it does work. I know you do great.things for this community, and I am no dev so I am not trying to argue any points with you. I am just showing that.it can work with ease. Plus RM works perfect with CM7 without having to do the three button workaround to get rom manager to work. So what.is it that would allow CM7 use.rom manager correctly yet the stock based Samsung roms not work without a workaround?
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RockRatt said:
Yes the workaround is slightly different as once your phone starts to boot up and goes to the screen you hold down the three buttons. I only did this because I saw others that were pulling the battery since they thought they were stuck. The plus is when using rom manager to backup the current rom you can easily name it via rom manager and.once it is backed up and rebooted you can see the name you picked stuck. I know how to JUST use the three button salute and backup right from cwm, this is.just a workaround for someone wanting to use rom manager. And it.is not any harder than JUST using the three button. It is basically the same except it allows you to use rom manager and name the backed up rom before actually backing it up. This has helped.me.in the past when I made a backup from cwm within the same day for two different roms. I wasn't sure which one was which. So I didn't want to JUST try to rename them after the fact. Yes it is NOT a big deal here but it does work. I know you do great.things for this community, and I am no dev so I am not trying to argue any points with you. I am just showing that.it can work with ease. Plus RM works perfect with CM7 without having to do the three button workaround to get rom manager to work. So what.is it that would allow CM7 use.rom manager correctly yet the stock based Samsung roms not work without a workaround?
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Why not just avoid all the hassles in the first place?
Rom Manager is not the only app which can do nandroid backup/restore,
rename, delete, flash roms and kernels and much more.
(and yes it asks for filename BEFORE backing up existing rom)
For example here is an app called CWM Manager which can do all that stuff
and more without 3 finger salute or any hassle at all.
cwm manager: http://megaupload.com/?d=TGXMLL1G
About the only thing it's lacking when compared to rom manager is that
it cannot download roms or anything else.
Personally I think that for the majority of users its a lot less complicated to use than Rom Manager.
Check it out yourself.
Are there any other apps that are similar to this? My issue is that I can't backup to my ext SD which is significantly larger, 32class10.? Or is the a mod so I can mount my ext SD as the main storage? That way all apparently recognize my sdext?
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I don't understand why so many people are tied to Rom Manager. It's not that great of a tool and honestly I'm happier without it. What's the point of trying to make it work to such a degree? Maybe I'm missing something but if it never works properly, I'll be perfectly fine with it.
jgrimberg1979 said:
Are there any other apps that are similar to this? My issue is that I can't backup to my ext SD which is significantly larger, 32class10.? Or is the a mod so I can mount my ext SD as the main storage? That way all apparently recognize my sdext?
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Just do the backup and then move it from the internal over to your ext. Or are you out of space as it is to where you can't even do a backup to begin with?
Kadin said:
I don't understand why so many people are tied to Rom Manager. It's not that great of a tool and honestly I'm happier without it. What's the point of trying to make it work to such a degree? Maybe I'm missing something but if it never works properly, I'll be perfectly fine with it.
Dude I am not tied to it, its just that much easier! Ex. a. there is a grocery store 1 miles down the street and very easy to walk to b. on the other hand i have a car in my drive way ready to be use and i could get back so much quicker.. What choice would 99.9% of people use? Obviously b. Rom managers makes it easy to make nandroids and restore, everthing is automated. I can just "set it and forget it". Installing zips is nice because i paid for the premium version so i can flash as many zips as i wont in one swop. You would be lying if you said you prefer booting into to recovery and manually flashing or backups or restores, rather than just hitting backup or restore etc. Also it is nice because you can name your backups before you backup it up.
I am not out of space but i will be soon. I just got the phone and i have 5 gigs left (that is 2 days of use) . Moving the backups manually to the ext is such a pain and the ass. Is there alternatives out there to rom manager besides CWM Manager?
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Dude I am not tied to it, its just that much easier! Ex. a. there is a grocery store 1 miles down the street and very easy to walk to b. on the other hand i have a car in my drive way ready to be use and i could get back so much quicker.. What choice would 99.9% of people use? Obviously b. Rom managers makes it easy to make nandroids and restore, everthing is automated. I can just "set it and forget it". Installing zips is nice because i paid for the premium version so i can flash as many zips as i wont in one swop. You would be lying if you said you prefer booting into to recovery and manually flashing or backups or restores, rather than just hitting backup or restore etc. Also it is nice because you can name your backups before you backup it up.
I am not out of space but i will be soon. I just got the phone and i have 5 gigs left (that is 2 days of use) . Moving the backups manually to the ext is such a pain and the ass. Is there alternatives out there to rom manager besides CWM Manager?
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I wasn't referring to you actually, was more with regards to the thread itself and so many that are like it. That's why I stated it before I then quoted you and gave my input.
I find it simple to copy them over and renaming them is easy as well. Obviously it would be ideal for many people but personally it's not a big deal - that's all I'm saying.
SIMULAR to Rom Manager
jgrimberg1979 said:
Are there any other apps that are similar to this? My issue is that I can't backup to my ext SD which is significantly larger, 32class10.? Or is the a mod so I can mount my ext SD as the main storage? That way all apparently recognize my sdext?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using xda premium
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Why not just avoid all the hassles in the first place?
Rom Manager is not the only app which can do nandroid backup/restore,
rename, delete, flash roms and kernels and much more.
(and yes it asks for filename BEFORE backing up existing rom)
For example here is an app called CWM Manager which can do all that stuff
and more without 3 finger salute or any hassle at all.
cwm manager: http://megaupload.com/?d=TGXMLL1G
About the only thing it's lacking when compared to rom manager is that
it cannot download roms or anything else.
Personally I think that for the majority of users its a lot less complicated
to use than Rom Manager. (because it's self-explanitory)
This app is 100% compatible with CWM Recovery too.
Check it out yourself.
Misterjunky said:
Why not just avoid all the hassles in the first place?
Rom Manager is not the only app which can do nandroid backup/restore,
rename, delete, flash roms and kernels and much more.
(and yes it asks for filename BEFORE backing up existing rom)
For example here is an app called CWM Manager which can do all that stuff
and more without 3 finger salute or any hassle at all.
cwm manager: http://megaupload.com/?d=TGXMLL1G
About the only thing it's lacking when compared to rom manager is that
it cannot download roms or anything else.
Personally I think that for the majority of users its a lot less complicated to use than Rom Manager.
Check it out yourself.
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When I rename a ROM BACKUP in CWM Manager before backing it up then try to restore it, it can't find it. It just shows a blank restore screen. For some reason renaming it doesn't work for me. Just using the default name (date and time) works but custom names do not. That is a major issue, at least for me.
OTOH I don't like having to do the 3 finger salute .... both have their problems.
You realize you have posted the exact same message 3 times in this thread. that has only 13 messages. Are you on their payroll?
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When I rename a ROM BACKUP in CWM Manager before backing it up then try to restore it, it can't find it. It just shows a blank restore screen. For some reason renaming it doesn't work for me. Just using the default name (date and time) works but custom names do not. That is a major issue, at least for me.
OTOH I don't like having to do the 3 finger salute .... both have their problems.
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You simply have to rename it without any spaces. You can use periods and dashes but if you put in any spaces, it won't find them.
Kadin said:
You simply have to rename it without any spaces. You can use periods and dashes but if you put in any spaces, it won't find them.
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Ahhh, a simple (but not obvious) solution! Thanks.
MisterEdF said:
When I rename a ROM BACKUP in CWM Manager before backing it up then try to restore it, it can't find it. It just shows a blank restore screen. For some reason renaming it doesn't work for me. Just using the default name (date and time) works but custom names do not. That is a major issue, at least for me.
OTOH I don't like having to do the 3 finger salute .... both have their problems.
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That's because when you change the default date/time name you
must have given it some name which contains some charactor(s)
which cwm manager cannot reconize or you changed the location
of the backed up rom to a different location than where it was saved to.
Proper location for backup is: ( sdcard/clockworkmod/backup ).
Then inside the backup folder is where the default or user named
backup folders containing the backup set of files needs to reside.
MisterEdF said:
When I rename a ROM BACKUP in CWM Manager before backing it up then try to restore it, it can't find it. It just shows a blank restore screen. For some reason renaming it doesn't work for me. Just using the default name (date and time) works but custom names do not. That is a major issue, at least for me.
OTOH I don't like having to do the 3 finger salute .... both have their problems.
You realize you have posted the exact same message 3 times in this thread. that has only 13 messages. Are you on their payroll?
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LOL, no ****
If I'm getting a new note. Can I restore a Nandroid of the rom from my old note to the new one to keep everything in tact or us that gonna mess stuff up?
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ctraywick1 said:
If I'm getting a new note. Can I restore a Nandroid of the rom from my old note to the new one to keep everything in tact or us that gonna mess stuff up?
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I would say right off the bat...Yes...your gonna mess stuff up....
why not use titanium backup paid...which is great, you can save all your setting/data/apps....then if your going to run the same ROM, on your new Note...just copy the titanium backup folder from your old Note to your new Note... and put tibu on your new Note...hit restore...btw the paid is great due to you capabilities of run batch backup and restorations...among lots of other items ...Tibu is a very powerful tool for any android smartphone...
check it out...
I think his goal is to clone his phone. Not for samsung even if it is the same exact model.
Samsung phones have an encrypted file that generates the phone IEMI. If you nandroid, that folder and file go to the second phone and your phone ends with no (or a generic) IEMI.
There are better ways to restore a new phone.
Edit: I did this with an AOSP ROM without issue. Even though everything seemed fine, I wouldn't suggest doing it. I know setting up the phone is a PITA, but the extra time it takes is well worth it considering the problems that may arise from restoring a nandroid to the same model phone.
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I would say right off the bat...Yes...your gonna mess stuff up....
why not use titanium backup paid...which is great, you can save all your setting/data/apps....then if your going to run the same ROM, on your new Note...just copy the titanium backup folder from your old Note to your new Note... and put tibu on your new Note...hit restore...btw the paid is great due to you capabilities of run batch backup and restorations...among lots of other items ...Tibu is a very powerful tool for any android smartphone...
check it out...
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Yea i have the paid version so i could just do it like that and treat it like a new rom. Just restore my apps from tibu, sms/ call logs with mybackup pro, and just use my launcher/messaging theme and setup . So all i have to manually restore are my system settings. Thanks
rangercaptain said:
I think his goal is to clone his phone. Not for samsung even if it is the same exact model.
Samsung phones have an encrypted file that generates the phone IEMI. If you nandroid, that folder and file go to the second phone and your phone ends with no (or a generic) IEMI.
There are better ways to restore a new phone.
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Didnt know that about the encrypted files,thanks for the warning. You were right I just wanted to be lazy and "clone my phone"
froidroid said:
Edit: I did this with an AOSP ROM without issue. Even though everything seemed fine, I wouldn't suggest doing it. I know setting up the phone is a PITA, but the extra time it takes is well worth it considering the problems that may arise from restoring a nandroid to the same model phone.
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Point well taken
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rangercaptain said:
I think his goal is to clone his phone. Not for samsung even if it is the same exact model.
Samsung phones have an encrypted file that generates the phone IEMI. If you nandroid, that folder and file go to the second phone and your phone ends with no (or a generic) IEMI.
There are better ways to restore a new phone.
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i am certain nandroids DO NOT contain the /efs folder... back in the captivate days you had to do a manual backup of that folder in case your IMEI (M comes before the E btw) got messed up you could restore it with that backup... if a nandroid contained that, then that backup step would have been superfluous.
On top of that... nandroids don't even contain the fuggin modem...why would they have the phone specific information that you should NEVER even touch in the first place?
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i am certain nandroids DO NOT contain the /efs folder... back in the captivate days you had to do a manual backup of that folder in case your IMEI (M comes before the E btw) got messed up you could restore it with that backup... if a nandroid contained that, then that backup step would have been superfluous.
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Are you certain enough to let what you say brick someone's phone? I don't think you or I are enough of an expert to make that assertion.
From Rootswiki forum:
This question comes up in a lot of forums because some people think we should be able to just copy the whole package from one phone to another like we can on computers. Unfortunately almost every piece of software on phones is installed in such a way that it is inextricably tied to that particular piece of hardware. Nandroid and other backups only work on the phone they were made.
At code.google.com the consensus was don't do it.
I got the /efs folder detail from Samsung support. Its within the /system folder -- why would you think it gets skipped during backup? And the messed up IEMI number is a very common outcome. Just look around in other galaxy s class phone forums.
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And your concern about the frakkin modem -- that code isn't in the modem, its in the nvdata file (the encrypted one I mentioned) in the /efs folder.
@ctraywick1:
Don't follow advice that could ruin your phone when there are only opinions not facts available.
Just develop a good backup strategy so migrating to a new rom or phone is less painful.
My point about the modern was not that IT contained the IMEI, i know perfectly well where it is, in fact better than you (see below lol). it was the fact that you flash modems all the time and yet they are not contained in s nandroid, so...why would non volatile data like that be included...
And the efs folder is most certainly NOT IN the /system directory...that would be retarded as that directory gets COMPLETELY FORMATTED with every Rom flash.
IT'S IN THE ROOT DIRECTORY
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My point about the modern was not that IT contained the IMEI, i know perfectly well where it is, in fact better than you (see below lol). it was the fact that you flash modems all the time and yet they are not contained in s nandroid, so...why would non volatile data like that be included...
And the efs folder is most certainly NOT IN the /system directory...that would be retarded as that directory gets COMPLETELY FORMATTED with every Rom flash.
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Why are you making such a big deal about this? The OP just wanted advice and I can find 100 posts that say don't copy your nandroid to another phone. Because we are dealing with a $600 device the wisest thing to do is say "don't do it" and help him develop a usedul backup strategy. What are you doing to further that goal? I gave several experts and you only offer your opinion. Thats just not good enough even if you are the smartest guy in the room.
And your own picture says you're mistaken about the flashing and rewriting. Look at the date of your /efs folder. I'm sure your phone is more than two days old. My stock phone has May 6 2012 date created.
Yes, I was wrong about the location, but the advice is still his best course. Experiment on your own phone.
Lol you come back with false information...i correct it.. Not "making a big deal", but i will not be corrected with information that is not accurate.
A nandroid is not the "whole phone"
As i said, it does not contain a modem, also doesn't contain your bootloaders, your sdcards/emmc, or the /efs folder.
And since it doesn't contain bootloaders there is no chance of hard bricking anything.
I didn't condone nor endorse anything either...Just saying the IMEI is not in a nandroid, that 's all
Yeah, I'm no expert just an enthusiast. Thats why I got the TiBu screenshot that said "whole phone". I guess they are giving incorrect information.
Your screenshot contradicts you -- look at the /efs folder date.
Oh.. That's cause i was experimenting with some stuff inside there, just goofing around and looking through it really, and even though it was a copy i was messing with... i copied back a known untouched version just out of ocd.
Well anyway I don't think it matters to you but I enjoy your posts and repect your opinions.
You add a lot of value to xda.
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Oh.. That's cause i was ... i copied back a known untouched version just out of ocd.
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I have had it I have deleted all my photos AGAIN!!! I can't seem to see why KitKat made the Ext-SD Read Only : (ie photos in the internal memory) : WHY can't we access the internal memory from any of the recoveries and with all the other problems associated with the LB that we are all familiar with this is a really bad phone to root.
How did this happen ?
I downloaded a new ROM, made sure my phone had them both the ROM and the Dual Recovery flashable file on the SD and rebooted to TWRP. I then wiped out my everything but external and internal SD. After doing this I went to flash the ROM but couldn't find it (I know it was there but buried in one of the million sub directories.) Next I was interrupted at the door by my boss, we got to talking and I realized that my screen was off. When I returned the phone was in fact dead. #$#@ I screamed out loud because I knew what this meant. Despite my knowledge of how this operates I knew from experience loosing all my wedding photos that this wasn't going to go over well (read my previous thread of lost wedding photos).
Why even recommend rooting to anyone with a locked boot loader after all this is a phone people buy to use the camera. The photos are forced by default to internal memory and internal memory is extremely volatile on this phone
HAS ANYONE OUT THERE been able to get the data back I simply have no system/recovery partition now ?! Surely SOMEONE out there knows of a way to .ftf a system partition only so I can access my internal memory as the data partition is still fully intact..
If not I wont be surprised as this LB phone (camera) is a total disaster for me and I am regretting getting it in the first place... It's a real mess with these glitches ..
futiless said:
I have had it I have deleted all my photos AGAIN!!! I can't seem to see why KitKat made the Ext-SD Read Only : (ie photos in the internal memory) : WHY can't we access the internal memory from any of the recoveries and with all the other problems associated with the LB that we are all familiar with this is a really bad phone to root.
How did this happen ?
I downloaded a new ROM, made sure my phone had them both the ROM and the Dual Recovery flashable file on the SD and rebooted to TWRP. I then wiped out my everything but external and internal SD. After doing this I went to flash the ROM but couldn't find it (I know it was there but buried in one of the million sub directories.) Next I was interrupted at the door by my boss, we got to talking and I realized that my screen was off. When I returned the phone was in fact dead. #$#@ I screamed out loud because I knew what this meant. Despite my knowledge of how this operates I knew from experience loosing all my wedding photos that this wasn't going to go over well (read my previous thread of lost wedding photos).
Why even recommend rooting to anyone with a locked boot loader after all this is a phone people buy to use the camera. The photos are forced by default to internal memory and internal memory is extremely volatile on this phone
HAS ANYONE OUT THERE been able to get the data back I simply have no system/recovery partition now ?! Surely SOMEONE out there knows of a way to .ftf a system partition only so I can access my internal memory as the data partition is still fully intact..
If not I wont be surprised as this LB phone (camera) is a total disaster for me and I am regretting getting it in the first place... It's a real mess with these glitches ..
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If you got proper root you're always able to backup. It's just your fault you lost your data.
If it's just system that's gone you haven't lost any actual data yet, get the ftf for the firmware you were using, flash it in flashtool with everything but system /kernel checked. That way it doesn't wipe data etc. I'm not at my computer so can't be exact but you get the picture just restoring system via flashtool should do the trick
Also if you use xposed there's a module to enable handling of external storage, that and setting pics to save to external memory card should avoid you ever having this issue again. There's also an app called folder mount that can be used to ghost internal directories to the external card too hth
Oh also, I may be wrong but if you were using philz if you let the screen go dark while your running something it stays dark till it's finished then a quick press of the power button wakes it back up, you should of waited a little longer if that was the issue
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If it's just system that's gone you haven't lost any actual data yet, get the ftf for the firmware you were using, flash it in flashtool with everything but system /kernel checked. That way it doesn't wipe data etc. I'm not at my computer so can't be exact but you get the picture just restoring system via flashtool should do the trick
Also if you use xposed there's a module to enable handling of external storage, that and setting pics to save to external memory card should avoid you ever having this issue again. There's also an app called folder mount that can be used to ghost internal directories to the external card too hth
Oh also, I may be wrong but if you were using philz if you let the screen go dark while your running something it stays dark till it's finished then a quick press of the power button wakes it back up, you should of waited a little longer if that was the issue
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Your a GENIUS this totally saved me thank you so much sir : THIS WORKED... it was something I considered but found daunting because I have a 6906, the 6903 FTF worked for anyone reading this !!!! Maybe I can fix my attitude on this one thanks again...
futiless said:
Your a GENIUS this totally saved me thank you so much sir : THIS WORKED... it was something I considered but found daunting because I have a 6906, the 6903 FTF worked for anyone reading this !!!! Maybe I can fix my attitude on this one thanks again...
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Can I suggest you edit title to include [SOLVED] - might help other folks out
No worries pal, glad you got it sorted I'd be just the same if I thought I'd lost data that was important to me
Plus, why the hell are you not using google+ to backup your photos ?
Personally I use My PhoneExplorer to back my phone up and synchronise with my pc. It wil also back up all your photos to a folder in the My Pictures directory, sync your calendar and even make basic data backups. Been using it for years now, ever since I had a Sony Ericsson K700 phone
This is just a suggestion if you are also a bit paranoid in storing all your stuff on google.
http://www.fjsoft.at/en/
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But you know that even without any rooting there is an option inside the camera app where to store pictures? You can choose ext. SD Card there. In my opinion it's not hard to find and due to your last disaster it's your fault not checking this. Since there are options to keep pictures on SD Card in fact you shouldn't blame the phone nor Sony.
furrypotato said:
Plus, why the hell are you not using google+ to backup your photos ?
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Privacy reasons, not wanting a third party to be responsible for your data etc etc
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Can I suggest you edit title to include [SOLVED] - might help other folks out
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Would like to do this but don't know how exactly ...
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Would like to do this but don't know how exactly ...
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Plus, why the hell are you not using google+ to backup your photos ?
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Kind of short sighted and pretentious to think we would all see things exactly the same. Personally Google isn't the "answer" to all my problems. Secondly I have had numerous smart phones as most of us have and this Xperia although I love it I have to dance around the volatile situation it poses to have 4.4 limitations which requires root to be able to in order to write to SD (?!). Kinda weird if you ask me and this is just one more thing to setup and calibrate so between roms it is easily overlooked. As I don't actually use social networking all that much and I have such large photos among many other things. I am thinking of other ways to automate this in the future. I am looking for a more set it and forget it method and if I could persist this between roms so be it.
I would like to know who keeps everything they own online aswell today... I mean why do companies use a VPN for data archive ... when they can just sync EVERYTHING to the cloud ?
I ponder politics
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You should not flash ROMs in locked BL even if you have a recovery and root that doesn't mean it will flash a ROM.
Hi. I'm currently running Android 8.0.0, build 34.4.A.0.364 with the following modifications:
I'm using a US carrier (Ting), but I have the EE UK ROM flashed through flashtool in order to get the fingerprint sensor working.
I'm running a rooted kernel provided by YasuHamed
I have Magisk installed
I flashed TWRP to recovery
My phone works great as-is, but OTA updates fail. They get announced, but if I try to install it downloads successfully, appears to start installing successfully, but eventually just stops, then advertises that the update is available for download again.
So here's my question - how should I upgrade my phone? I know that the most thorough method is to use flashtool to wipe and then reflash the latest version, but re-installing and re-configuring everything, even with backups, is too time-consuming for that to be a regular process.
What are my options for upgrading without wiping my data and/or internal storage? Is there a way to obtain the OTA update files for standalone installation? Is there a way to flash the latest release through flasthtool without losing all of my data? Maybe I can "unroot" my phone, then install the OTA update? Any other options?
I'm obviously not only person to have this problem. How are others dealing with it, and what (generally) works best?
Thanks!
sirs
1.once the BOOT is UNLOCKED , OTA will always fail
2. the only way to update your xperias are now via flashtool
3. if you flash with below configuration, everthing will be wiped , under WIPE area if you don't TICK these boxes, flashtool will not reset your phone. it will just replace your necessary sin files with new ones. , however such flashing always results in higher batter drain (personal experience)
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4. if you have your TA.img, after rooting, lock you bootloader again and you will start reciving OTA. but after any major OTA, kernel will be updated and you will have to unlock your bootloader again to gain root access. , EveryTime when you relock and lock you bootloader device wipes everything. (so basically its a same thing whats happening to you now)
Thanks! I tried re-locking my bootloader in the past, but as you pointed out you lose root when doing that, which defeats the whole point of unlocking in the first place. So, that's not really an option.
I'll try using flashtool with the options you mentioned unchecked. Would it perhaps make sense to still wipe everything except userdata (and also disable the reset options under Misc TA)? or would that not buy much in terms of reliability?
nitro32 said:
Thanks! I tried re-locking my bootloader in the past, but as you pointed out you lose root when doing that, which defeats the whole point of unlocking in the first place. So, that's not really an option.
I'll try using flashtool with the options you mentioned unchecked. Would it perhaps make sense to still wipe everything except userdata (and also disable the reset options under Misc TA)? or would that not buy much in terms of reliability?
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under WIPE section
I always tick either ALL boxes , or NONE, because once i tried skipping one of the ticks under wipe and sony kept asking me password. sony stockrom itself locked out of the internal storage. I guess its Master Reset , or rese without reasons are the key triggers of wiping encrytion key also.
you may experiment combination of these ticks, keeping in mind that you may have to reflash, reset your deice from zero, hence take backups (always) (even if you are 100% sure of what you are doing, still take backup)
YasuHamed said:
under WIPE section
I always tick either ALL boxes , or NONE, because once i tried skipping one of the ticks under wipe and sony kept asking me password. sony stockrom itself locked out of the internal storage. I guess its Master Reset , or rese without reasons are the key triggers of wiping encrytion key also.
you may experiment combination of these ticks, keeping in mind that you may have to reflash, reset your deice from zero, hence take backups (always) (even if you are 100% sure of what you are doing, still take backup)
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For Xperias, what's the best method to backup ALL app data (Play Store and unknown source apps) and all the other things not explicitly listed?
Xperia's own Backup tool? (the PC Companion backup vs on-device?)
Titanium?
No cloud for me btw... I'm also talking about app data like the data downloaded by games after their installation, because which games these days don't download additional data, and no, not just the download that may even happen via Play Store, but only as soon as you launch the app. (guess it's the dev's own server, however the app has been taken down ever since, so without a backup it will only keep looking for data that it can't fetch... tried with Titanium to transfer from an older Android device to my Xperia X)
Boy, really missing the beauty of a no-BS all-encompassing backup solution like on iOS, even though I fully expect that to be on very shaky legs as well...
And what about those three boxes under the wipe section? For example, what does MASTER-RESET do?
Sorry for the many questions.
Glassed Silver said:
For Xperias, what's the best method to backup ALL app data (Play Store and unknown source apps) and all the other things not explicitly listed?
Xperia's own Backup tool? (the PC Companion backup vs on-device?)
Titanium?
No cloud for me btw... I'm also talking about app data like the data downloaded by games after their installation, because which games these days don't download additional data, and no, not just the download that may even happen via Play Store, but only as soon as you launch the app. (guess it's the dev's own server, however the app has been taken down ever since, so without a backup it will only keep looking for data that it can't fetch... tried with Titanium to transfer from an older Android device to my Xperia X)
Boy, really missing the beauty of a no-BS all-encompassing backup solution like on iOS, even though I fully expect that to be on very shaky legs as well...
And what about those three boxes under the wipe section? For example, what does MASTER-RESET do?
Sorry for the many questions.
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1. I am not a GAMER but I believe for the games, A service called Google play Games saves Everything about your games saved. so even if you have different mobile, same google account you will start your game from same point which was left out on device 1 .
2. I have never tried iOS so I cannot comment on that but I would definitely add (from what i have seen on youtube videos and read online) that iOS has basic notion in mind which is let us make our users tension free and we will do EVERYTHING for them. now this notion for me means, someone taking my freedom away and controling my decicions, (irrespective of what noble cause behind) where ANDROID basically GIVE MORE CONTROL to me so when it does, it also expect me to know what this freedom means?. I will have to be detailed oriented and I must cover all bases manually. Backups, Rooting, Flashing on my terms, Flashing different roms with different launders, Cloud base options, gaining control over android paritions to alter core structure of device.etc. Android offers more for sure!
3. Master Reset will wipe your login credentials , apps, and encryption keys, hence when device boot, you will have to setup everything again
YasuHamed said:
1. I am not a GAMER but I believe for the games, A service called Google play Games saves Everything about your games saved. so even if you have different mobile, same google account you will start your game from same point which was left out on device 1 .
2. I have never tried iOS so I cannot comment on that but I would definitely add (from what i have seen on youtube videos and read online) that iOS has basic notion in mind which is let us make our users tension free and we will do EVERYTHING for them. now this notion for me means, someone taking my freedom away and controling my decicions, (irrespective of what noble cause behind) where ANDROID basically GIVE MORE CONTROL to me so when it does, it also expect me to know what this freedom means?. I will have to be detailed oriented and I must cover all bases manually. Backups, Rooting, Flashing on my terms, Flashing different roms with different launders, Cloud base options, gaining control over android paritions to alter core structure of device.etc. Android offers more for sure!
3. Master Reset will wipe your login credentials , apps, and encryption keys, hence when device boot, you will have to setup everything again
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With all due respect, but I think I failed to express myself properly to get it all across:
1) As I said, I'm not talking about cloud-solutions, I'm not talking about game progress, not all games are part of Google Play Games and other kinds of apps like to download data from third-party servers as well.
2 Why do you think I'm using both by now? because I want that control, but I also like simplicity to whatever extend I can get it. I don't want a forced way of Android telling me to use XYZ, I want a way I can choose and that way needs to fulfill certain criteria, such as a complete no BS backup solution that is incremental.
Just because I want control doesn't mean I'm stoked about DIYing everything, otherwise I might as well hire an intern and direct by orders. :laugh:
So all I can do is refer back to my questions. Hell forget I ever mentioned iOS. I'm too chatty anyways which often distracts from the actual point. Sorry for that.
3) Wow, well good that I asked it seems! So I leave ALL boxes unchecked, right? Both wipes and all resets? I surely don't want to retype a million passwords again for all the stuff where LastPass doesn't have my credentials stored (yet).
Thanks a lot for your time, really appreciated.
Hi. My understanding is that the most thorough way to backup an android phone is to do a nandroid backup. If you search google you'll find plenty of info about that. If you have TWRP flashed to your recovery partition, you can fairly easily kick off a nandroid backup directly from within TWRP, though TWRP seems to add some proprietary extensions that make recovery only possibly with TWRP.
That'll give you your all-encompassing backup.
The problem with nandroid is that it's, well, all-encompassing. If you restore, you revert back to that original state. You can't use it to backup your data before an upgrade, for example, then restore under the new version. I haven't found a great solution for that yet, but my current solution is oandbackup. This backs up APKs and data for all user (and system, if desired) applications. This can then be copied to an external SD card or to another computer or whatever, then used to restore your apps and data after wipe/reset or upgrade. I setup a couple scheduled jobs to backup all user data and newly installed apks nightly, then have a job in a separate sync program to copy that to my NAS. No cloud necessary.
The main caveat here is that, because oandbackup is app-centric, it does not include system preferences, accounts, SMS messages, etc. All of that will need to be manually reconfigured or backed up with another app. Recovery, therefore, still takes some time (hence my request about upgrading without requiring a full wipe), but all of your important data should be preserved with this method.
Definitely not recommending this as the best approach, but it works well enough for me and avoids any dependency on online services.. Interested in any other approaches people may wish to share.