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Hi all,
I did not have this enabled but the standing advice seems to be that it has to be enabled. What does this do exactly?
Loving the app though keep up the good work!
Jeroen1000 said:
Hi all,
I did not have this enabled but the standing advice seems to be that it has to be enabled. What does this do exactly?
Loving the app though keep up the good work!
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Not needed except w/unrooted device to facilitate screen off operations.
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Not needed except w/unrooted device to facilitate screen off operations.
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Thanks Davey126. There was an option in Greenify once to ensure compatibility with finger print readers. It was called "alternative screen off mode". I hoped this option got dubbed the Automator now but it doesn't look that way judging from your reply. I can't find it any more (maybe it got removed for some reason?). Sometimes the fingerprint reader on my OPO5T is a bit slow. I need to lift and touch it twice to get an unlock. Maybe I need to whitelist ...something as I have "Greenify system apps" checked. Amongst the optimised apps is "GFManager" which has a fingerprint icon.
At any rate, do you know what happened to "alternative screen off mode" option?
Jeroen1000 said:
Thanks Davey126. There was an option in Greenify once to ensure compatibility with finger print readers. It was called "alternative screen off mode". I hoped this option got dubbed the Automator now but it doesn't look that way judging from your reply. I can't find it any more (maybe it got removed for some reason?). Sometimes the fingerprint reader on my OPO5T is a bit slow. I need to lift and touch it twice to get an unlock. Maybe I need to whitelist ...something as I have "Greenify system apps" checked. Amongst the optimised apps is "GFManager" which has a fingerprint icon.
At any rate, do you know what happened to "alternative screen off mode" option?
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Don't know but removal is likely referenced (somewhere) in a change log or forum post. XDA search is your friend.
As for the fingerprint recognition issue why is "GFManager" and likely other benign system apps in Greenify's overt hibernation list? Only demonstrated 'bad actors' should be there; ideally the list will be quite small gravitating to zero.
Do you take 23 aspirin in the morning for the hell of it to protect yourself from some pain that has never materialized? Over greenification (new word!) is just asking for trouble.
Davey126 said:
Don't know but removal is likely referenced (somewhere) in a change log or forum post. XDA search is your friend.
As for the fingerprint recognition issue why is "GFManager" and likely other benign system apps in Greenify's overt hibernation list? Only demonstrated 'bad actors' should be there; ideally the list will be quite small gravitating to zero.
Do you take 23 aspirin in the morning for the hell of it to protect yourself from some pain that has never materialized? Over greenification (new word!) is just asking for trouble.
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I didn't put GFManager in the Doze optimising list manually. It could just be the management app (judging by its name) for fingerprints for all I know not the actual code that does the detection. I just blame Apple for just having 2% drain per 8 hours idle and then some of us wanting that on an Android phone.
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I didn't put GFManager in the Doze optimising list manually. It could just be the management app (judging by its name) for fingerprints for all I know not the actual code that does the detection. I just blame Apple for just having 2% drain per 8 hours idle and then some of us wanting that on an Android phone.
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Android battery optimization (Android 6+) is different from explicitly adding items to Greenify's hibernation list (which I assumed you were doing as some [incorrectly] use the terms interchangeably). Most likely the intermittent touch recognition hesitation you are experiencing is not related to GFManager being "optimized" but rather the time it takes the device to arise from a deep slumber. Are you using Aggressive Doze by chance?
iOS and Android can both idle efficiently on appropriate hardware. I typically see 0.2-0.5%/hr idle drain on my various devices depending on conditions. Apple has the advantage as it controls both hardware and software. Android must accommodate a wide variety of hardware platforms (including crappy kernels) many of which are not well optimized for power savings.
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Android battery optimization (Android 6+) is different from explicitly adding items to Greenify's hibernation list (which I assumed you were doing as some [incorrectly] use the terms interchangeably). Most likely the intermittent touch recognition hesitation you are experiencing is not related to GFManager being "optimized" but rather the time it takes the device to arise from a deep slumber. Are you using Aggressive Doze by chance?
iOS and Android can both idle efficiently on appropriate hardware. I typically see 0.2-0.5%/hr idle drain on my various devices depending on conditions. Apple has the advantage as it controls both hardware and software. Android must accommodate a wide variety of hardware platforms (including crappy kernels) many of which are not well optimized for power savings.
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Yes, I am using aggressive doze. Via the whitelist you can access in Greenify, it seems almost everything gets Optimised (dozed).
I would assume the fingerprint scanner would be exempt from doze but the non-optimised apps list doesn't have anything in it that I can connect to the reader. I would likewise assume I'd have to look for something like com.qualcomm... instead of looking for an actual app name. I could use a tip as to what I'm looking for...
So to be clear, I did not add stuff to the hibernation list manually with regards to the fingerprint reader. Just some stuff that by far has nothing to do with it.
For full disclosure: Via a Magisk module, my Google Play Services also get dozed. It is called "Enable Doze for GMS Magisk Module".
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I can get an idle drain around 0.5% and using HEBF optimiser's "Improve Battery" switch this goes down to 0.4%. What are you doing to get even lower? I'm betting turning off WIFI and nuking play services entirely?
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Yes, I am using aggressive doze. Via the whitelist you can access in Greenify, it seems almost everything gets Optimised (dozed).
I would assume the fingerprint scanner would be exempt from doze but the non-optimised apps list doesn't have anything in it that I can connect to the reader. I would likewise assume I'd have to look for something like com.qualcomm... instead of looking for an actual app name. I could use a tip as to what I'm looking for...
So to be clear, I did not add stuff to the hibernation list manually with regards to the fingerprint reader. Just some stuff that by far has nothing to do with it.
For full disclosure: Via a Magisk module, my Google Play Services also get dozed. It is called "Enable Doze for GMS Magisk Module".
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Again, doze and hibernation are different things. I would expect every user app and virtually every system app (with exception to Google Play Services) to be 'battery optimized'. Observations:
- analysis begins with disabling referenced Magisk module as Google Play Services is deeply intertwined with most apps and services (system and user)
- disable aggressive doze; putting your device into a comma isn't helpful when trying to diagnose a responsiveness issue
- multiple deferred tasks often fire-up immediately when exiting aggressive doze temporarily overwhelming device and introducing lag
- nothing should be in Greenify's active hibernation list except apps/services that are demonstrated offenders
Pretty good chance you have created the problem you are trying to solve my over managing your device.
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I can get an idle drain around 0.5% and using HEBF optimiser's "Improve Battery" switch this goes down to 0.4%. What are you doing to get even lower? I'm betting turning off WIFI and nuking play services entirely?
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Nope. Stock ROM (rooted/unlocked); stock Google Play Services, WiFi and mobile radios on 7x24, location services generally on and set to 'high accuracy', BT and NFC cycled as needed, other than Greenify no 3rd party 'power saving' tools in play. Full believer in lite-touch management with results to back-up religion on multiple devices. YMMV. Choose your apps wisely.
Thanks for the tips. I'll revert my changes one by one and see what turns up. Don't want to loose aggressive doze though... I will report back if I find the culprit.
I understand the difference between doze and hibernation. I was just trying to point out it's not me putting stuff manually on the hibernation list. And yes, I support your observation, using too many apps trying to get even lower drain often works counterproductive. Same goes for apps monitoring battery stats. They too use up some juice.
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Thanks for the tips. I'll revert my changes one by one and see what turns up. Don't want to loose aggressive doze though... I will report back if I find the culprit.
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Suggest a reconsideration of position on aggressive doze. While the glossy looks great measurable benefits don't always offset liabilities. With AD active device will likely show reduced drain during extended screen-off operations. A win, right? Possibly - until you factor in higher drain rates as the device races to catch up after exiting doze which is often triggered by an overt wake request (ie: using your device). Several minutes of high CPU utilization at max (and often power inefficient) frequencies can wipe out hours of slow savings while introducing lag and other undesirable side effects. You should disable AD for a few days to see if it improves your situation.
As an aside, brief sprints at high CPU frequencies are not necessarily evil as finishing a task quickly and returning to idle (see "race to idle") can be more efficient than drawing it out over an extended period of time at lower frequencies. That said, servicing multiple tasks over several minutes when the device first wakes is often less efficient than allowing them to complete 'naturally' when the screen goes off (which is why doze doesn't kick in immediately) and/or during normal doze maintenance windows.
Aggressive doze can be beneficial in certain circumstances - but those are few and far between (at least based on my personal work flows and observation of others).
On my Mate 9 (running Oreo 8.0, no root) I installed Greenify, but Greenify displays that e.g. Opera is greenified, but in an Android task manager (Android Assistant app) it shows it is still eating CPU. The same applies to e.g. Brave browser which has 'no background' according to Greenify.
Does Greenift really hibernate apps ?
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On my Mate 9 (running Oreo 8.0, no root) I installed Greenify, but Greenify displays that e.g. Opera is greenified, but in an Android task manager (Android Assistant app) it shows it is still eating CPU. The same applies to e.g. Brave browser which has 'no background' according to Greenify.
Does Greenift really hibernate apps ?
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Of course it does. The size/activity in this forum plus frequent mentions in respected publications over many years should offer some clues to its integrity. Whether it is working on your device is a different matter.
Greenify does best on rooted devices as unharnessed ROMs can both undo actions and/or misrepresent status. It's quite possible an app placed in hibernation was later woken via internal trigger that Greenify can not suppress on an unrooted device. In the case of Opera (my preferred browser) there is regular syncing of tabs and downloading of *cough* 'news' if you have those features enabled.
I also question info coming out of the "Android Assistant" app. On my device it claimed all apps had zero CPU...including itself. Also did not display system partitions correctly nor properly detect the sensor suite. Granted I only spent a few minutes poking around. Maybe some switches needed to be thrown.
Finally, you probably don't need Greenify on Oreo as Doze does a find job with power management.
planetera said:
Don't I really need Greenify on oreo? Is Doze on Oreo really that good? Can you confirm please? I've been always using Greenify but if I don't need it on Oreo, I'll remove it
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Well don't take my word for it. Simply remove all apps from Greenify's hibernation list (hopefully there are not many there), observe device behavior over the next few days then make your own decision.
planetera said:
Well, thanks for information. Just made a quick research and everyone says Greenify is trash on Oreo. So I just uninstalled it. Thanks for heads up. Glad I've seen your comment
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Trash? Err-no. I have it installed on every one of my devices for valid reasons. Needed for generic power management on Doze capable ROMs? Probably not (and as such serving no purpose). Enjoy your device.
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ok, but, when Greenify hibernates an app, you don't get notificaton froms this app, but when Android itself hibernates the app, you still get notifications, how does these two compare?
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It varies by app, developer approach and user settings. Many apps will experience delayed notifications with Doze while other punch right through. Greenify can be configured to permit notifications but only if the app utilizes GCM (Firebase). Aggressive doze, light hibernation, Xposed framework availability and several other variables contribute to notification behavior. If your head is spinning it should! End users should not need to know the contents of the underwear drawer. Best practice is to simply let Android do its thing without 3rd party tools unless one understands their behavior and application. At one time such tools were needed to achieve acceptable app/device performance and battery life. Not so today. Is such a simplistic solution 'optimal' form an enthusiasts point-of-view? Probably not. It is acceptable/reasonable from an end-user perspective? In most cases 'yes' yielding a good balance of performance and battery life with minimal interaction for those who simply want to enjoy their device vs. manage it. Good luck with whatever direction you choose.
Agree one hundred percent!
Greenify on Oreo is an appendage that is best left out in my opinion, since for most, Oreo itself manages the drain admirably. Though I have it installed, it is more by way of habit than necessity. I have experienced Oreo without Greenify and have no complaints.
Greenify is STILL works.
But its benefit on recent Android versions is not as prominent as on earlier versions.
Coz we already have Doze starting from Marshmallow.
It works for me. I have a samsung tab a 9.7 sm-t550 with an aicp 8.1 rom (lineageos based). Therefore it doesn't have the built-in samsung app device maintenance. I've also discovered a little trick to using greenify that I want to share. I use greenify with another app called shutapp. Shutapp is an app that helps you force stop apps running in the background. Except I don't do that. I use it solely for the purpose of having an accurate number of apps running in the background. Then I open the app to see which ones are running. Next I open greenify and hibernate them. I use this method, because I found that when you force stop the apps they will open back up again. Also, I use the widget from shutapp and not the floating bubble which requires extra permissions granted. The widget does the same thing without the extra permissions. This method I discovered has improved my ram and battery life drastically. I can tell because I use status bar mini pro to monitor my ram speed constantly. And finally I do have Xposed with the donation package of greenify, didn't want to leave that out. Not sure if it makes a difference or not, but wanted to be accurate. That's it, hope that works for somebody else, take care.
I hear that greenify isn't really needed on Oreo but how about the xposed version of greenify? That ads a couple of more features, does any of those change the verdict to "must have on Oreo" for greenify?
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I hear that greenify isn't really needed on Oreo but how about the xposed version of greenify? That ads a couple of more features, does any of those change the verdict to "must have on Oreo" for greenify?
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The verdict doesn't change. Use of Greenify on Oreo may become "must" only if you have a rogue app which can't be controlled otherwise. Even then, it might be better to seek alternative apps instead of trying to control it with Greenify.
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I hear that greenify isn't really needed on Oreo but how about the xposed version of greenify? That ads a couple of more features, does any of those change the verdict to "must have on Oreo" for greenify?
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The verdict doesn't change. Use of Greenify on Oreo may become "must" only if you have a rogue app which can't be controlled otherwise. Even then, it might be better to seek alternative apps instead of trying to control it with Greenify.
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Greenify works just fine on recent Android builds. It is a tool that can be very beneficial when properly used to produce a specific outcome. That said, it is rarely needed on Android 6+ as doze handles most of the heavy lifting. Enjoy using your device vs trying to fix problems you haven't identified.
i have this app but i dont know wich apps to hibernate, because people recommend to hibernate apps that you dont use but i kinda use a lot of apps , and if i use the magisk version can i hibernate apps without missing notifications?
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i have this app but i dont know wich apps to hibernate, because people recommend to hibernate apps that you dont use but i kinda use a lot of apps , and if i use the magisk version can i hibernate apps without missing notifications?
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The only apps that need to be hibernated are those that frequently start or run in the background *and* consume significant resources. This is an infrequent occurrence on Android 6+ as doze keeps most bad actors in check. If you can not identify misbehaving apps there is little benefit to using Greenify.
so not even boost mode with the magisk module will make a difference?
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so not even boost mode with the magisk module will make a difference?
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Just to add to @Davey126's true and clear statement: Most likely not.
As you're obviously using Greenify4Magisk, please allow me to partially quote its OP:
A very simple module just to make Greenify work as a rom-integrated (privileged) app systemlessly (also known as Boost Mode), ...
* Note: You won't get any xposed-side features, since magisk is NOT xposed!
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To ensure not to miss any notification, Greenify needs to run as a Xposed module.
How can you tell that an app constantly restarts in background?
crittarr said:
How can you tell that an app constantly restarts in background?
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Check to see if it (or related processes) are running and, more importantly, consuming excess resources. Built in tools are a starting point including the often ignored/maligned Android battery 'app' and the 'running processes' gadget usually located under developer options. Don't kill everything you see; just because it has a pulse doesn't mean it has to die (or be hibernated).
Can you name a third party root-free most reliable tool for telling how much energy apps drain?
I would be glad to know if apps are consuming excess resources but this is not told by the onboard android 7 tools I know of. If I go to battery more settings the most usage shows to be from android OS, bluetooth (headphones) and screen. Still making full (and probably excessive) use of tools like brevent or greenify does make the battery graph flatten noticeably.
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Can you name a third party root-free most reliable tool for telling how much energy apps drain?
I would be glad to know if apps are consuming excess resources but this is not told by the onboard android 7 tools I know of. If I go to battery more settings the most usage shows to be from android OS, bluetooth (headphones) and screen. Still making full (and probably excessive) use of tools like brevent or greenify does make the battery graph flatten noticeably.
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Built in tools are more than adequate but if you prefer 3rd party give GSAM a whirl as I find it easier to use than BBS (Better Battery Stats). Some also like Accubattery; too much flash and dash for my tastes. Good luck.
I included a screenshot of all the options I'm given on the Greenify Settings tab. I've always avoided using Greenify because it seems very difficult to use; however, I keep hearing about all the miracles it does as far as battery life so I want to give it a chance.
My confusion comes from the fact that out of all the Tutorials, Reviews, Articles, etc. I've seen and read on YouTube & Google, everyone either has an older version of Greenify than me, or the options are a little different. Some versions have more options than mine, and some fewer. Some have specific settings enabled, some disabled.
For example, some tutorials said to enable Aggressive Doze and Automatic Hibernation, some said to disable them.
I would appreciate it very much if someone with more knowledge on the subject could explain to me what some of these settings do, and which would be better.
Merazomo said:
I included a screenshot of all the options I'm given on the Greenify Settings tab. I've always avoided using Greenify because it seems very difficult to use; however, I keep hearing about all the miracles it does as far as battery life so I want to give it a chance.
My confusion comes from the fact that out of all the Tutorials, Reviews, Articles, etc. I've seen and read on YouTube & Google, everyone either has an older version of Greenify than me, or the options are a little different. Some versions have more options than mine, and some fewer. Some have specific settings enabled, some disabled.
For example, some tutorials said to enable Aggressive Doze and Automatic Hibernation, some said to disable them.
I would appreciate it very much if someone with more knowledge on the subject could explain to me what some of these settings do, and which would be better.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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@tnsmani obviously received my check ...
Kidding aside, his guidance is spot on. If you decide to experiment further ignore all the options. They are largely refinements; defaults are fine for most. Simply respond to initial setup prompts (including the all important 'root' query), add 'offending' apps to the watch list and observe whether Greenify helps to reduce background activity.
Wait...you don't have any "offending" apps, do not know how to identify bad actors have no idea if you actually have a problem with excessive (operative word) battery consumption?? If so Greenify will only work as well as your perception of good/evil/impotent which is often an inaccurate measure of reality.
Sadly, Greenify does not have magical powers. That said, It is an effective tool to address a specific type of 'problem': reining in undisciplined app driven background activity...plus a few other gems outside the scope of this discussion. If your device is rocking Android 6/7/8/9/27 native doze does a fine job managing cranky apps that want to eat your battery any small children within a 10 foot radius. Best part: no confusing knobs and dials! It just works.
Enjoy your device.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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I'll definitely give that post by Davey126 a read, thanks.
I'm using a Galaxy Note 4 with Android Marshmallow 6.0.1. The phone is not officially supported anymore obviously, but with ROOT, it's still a great phone even today.
My only issue that made me consider Greenify; I don't know if this is typical of Android, is that I charge my phone to 100% before I go to sleep, and when I wake up it's at 86%. The battery is brand new and the phone has been restored to factory settings to start fresh.
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@tnsmani obviously received my check ...
Kidding aside, his guidance is spot on. If you decide to experiment further ignore all the options. They are largely refinements; defaults are fine for most. Simply respond to initial setup prompts (including the all important 'root' query), add 'offending' apps to the watch list and observe whether Greenify helps to reduce background activity.
Wait...you don't have any "offending" apps, do not know how to identify bad actors have no idea if you actually have a problem with excessive (operative word) battery consumption?? If so Greenify will only work as well as your perception of good/evil/impotent which is often an inaccurate measure of reality.
Sadly, Greenify does not have magical powers. That said, It is an effective tool to address a specific type of 'problem': reining in undisciplined app driven background activity...plus a few other gems outside the scope of this discussion. If your device is rocking Android 6/7/8/9/27 native doze does a fine job managing cranky apps that want to eat your battery any small children within a 10 foot radius. Best part: no confusing knobs and dials! It just works.
Enjoy your device.
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The screenshot I posted are the default settings as of now for my version of 4.3.2.0 of Greenify on my Galaxy Note 4. Would it be okay to assume that if I leave "these" settings on default without changing anything, and all I do is start choosing application to hibernate that I don't use often or don't need push notifications from, it's a good start?
I do have to choose applications manually for Greenify to start working right? I keep looking at all these "Smart Hibernation" & "Automatic Hibernation" settings and my brain goes back to regular applications like the old App Managers that would start working in the background without me settings anything up or choosing applications.
I'll give your post a read as well, and see if I can learn something from it. For once, I wish I had an Android phone with good battery life like my last iPhone; it wouldn't loose any charge overnight. Loosing 14% battery life overnight without doing anything is a little annoying, but now that I've tried Android with ROOT, it's practically imposible to go back to IOS; specially with all the customizing I can do on my Note 4.
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I'll definitely give that post by Davey126 a read, thanks.
I'm using a Galaxy Note 4 with Android Marshmallow 6.0.1. The phone is not officially supported anymore obviously, but with ROOT, it's still a great phone even today.
My only issue that made me consider Greenify; I don't know if this is typical of Android, is that I charge my phone to 100% before I go to sleep, and when I wake up it's at 86%. The battery is brand new and the phone has been restored to factory settings to start fresh.
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On 6, you may require the help of Greenify but only after you identify the rogue app/s. Unless you sleep for 24 hours a day, your idle drain is high (14% during sleep).
Visit the BBS thread, learn how to create an idle dump, install latest BBS beta from the PlayStore, take an idle dump and post it in the BBS thread and ask for help.
Merazomo said:
The screenshot I posted are the default settings as of now for my version of 4.3.2.0 of Greenify on my Galaxy Note 4. Would it be okay to assume that if I leave "these" settings on default without changing anything, and all I do is start choosing application to hibernate that I don't use often or don't need push notifications from, it's a good start?
I do have to choose applications manually for Greenify to start working right? I keep looking at all these "Smart Hibernation" & "Automatic Hibernation" settings and my brain goes back to regular applications like the old App Managers that would start working in the background without me settings anything up or choosing applications.
I'll give your post a read as well, and see if I can learn something from it. For once, I wish I had an Android phone with good battery life like my last iPhone; it wouldn't loose any charge overnight. Loosing 14% battery life overnight without doing anything is a little annoying, but now that I've tried Android with ROOT, it's practically imposible to go back to IOS; specially with all the customizing I can do on my Note 4.
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Reread previous post. Your first task is to identify which app(s), if any, are draining your battery while the device is idle. Adding apps to Greenify w/o justification is a fools errand and will likely increase overall power consumption vs reduce it. Let's keep it simple. What apps regularly appear near the top of the list in Android's battery page in settings?
There are very few "new" batteries for 4 year old devices. While you many have purchased it recently there is a very good chance it sat on the shelf for several years. Or was 'loaded' with substandard cells with less than stated capacity.
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Reread previous post. Your first task is to identify which app(s), if any, are draining your battery while the device is idle. Adding apps to Greenify w/o justification is a fools errand and will likely increase overall power consumption vs reduce it. Let's keep it simple. What apps regularly appear near the top of the list in Android's battery page in settings?
There are very few "new" batteries for 4 year old devices. While you many have purchased it recently there is a very good chance it sat on the shelf for several years. Or was 'loaded' with substandard cells with less than stated capacity.
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The battery is good since I was still using Lollipop LOL not that long on my Note 4, and I felt it ran a lot cooler and battery would last longer than on Marshmallow, but app permissions were horrible in Lollipop; I had no control of my privacy whatsoever with apps.
The only top app on my battery apps list with 20% of the battery used overnight was ESPN. I don't even have push notifications enabled for this app, and I used it hours before I went to sleep and before I charged the phone. That might be the app that is harming my battery life. All the other apps are at 0.04% or less.
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The battery is good since I was still using Lollipop LOL not that long on my Note 4, and I felt it ran a lot cooler and battery would last longer than on Marshmallow, but app permissions were horrible in Lollipop; I had no control of my privacy whatsoever with apps.
The only top app on my battery apps list with 20% of the battery used overnight was ESPN. I don't even have push notifications enabled for this app, and I used it hours before I went to sleep and before I charged the phone. That might be the app that is harming my battery life. All the other apps are at 0.04% or less.
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ESPN app would be an excellent candidate to Greenify. Add it to the 'watch' list and observe device behavior over 24-48 hours.
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ESPN app would be an excellent candidate to Greenify. Add it to the 'watch' list and observe device behavior over 24-48 hours.
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Everything is as you said. Greenify's default settings are more than satisfying, specially since all I wanted to do was to find the culprit that was killing my battery.
After using BetterBatteryStats & Greenify, it turns out "ESPN" and "Samsung Peel Remote Control" are both using more battery life overnight as I sleep, than the "System" itself.
ESPN behaves as it should when I hibernate it; however, Samsung's Peel Remote wakes up overnight; it won't stay hibernated.
I've been trying to use the scissor's icon to prevent other apps from waking the Peel Remote, but it gives me a failed message.
At least now I know that my problem is not the battery or the phone.
Merazomo said:
... however, Samsung's Peel Remote wakes up overnight; it won't stay hibernated.
I've been trying to use the scissor's icon to prevent other apps from waking the Peel Remote, but it gives me a failed message.
At least now I know that my problem is not the battery or the phone.
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Me thinks you should consider another app:
https://fossbytes.com/peel-remote-use-remove-smart-remote/
There are ways to tame the monster using perfectly legal advanced tools (MAT, SD Maid, etc.) but such discussion is beyond the scope of this thread.
Davey126 said:
Me thinks you should consider another app:
https://fossbytes.com/peel-remote-use-remove-smart-remote/
There are ways to tame the monster using perfectly legal advanced tools (MAT, SD Maid, etc.) but such discussion is beyond the scope of this thread.
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I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
Merazomo said:
I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
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A software firewall (preferably VPN based) is an excellent way to block unwanted content and network communications including ads, tracking uploads and/or malicious downloads. I run some type of software firewall on every device I own. As for idle drain rates, I average 0.15-0.25%/hr on WiFi only tablets; 0.4-0.6%/hr on phones. Pretty consistent range regardless of brand, ROM or other variables. Greenify, which I use sparingly, is the only non-native power management tool in my arsenal. No silly alarm/wakelock squashing, doze tuners, etc. Mind your settings, behaviors and app portfolio. Pretty simple stuff. Depressing news for budding geeks with too much time on their hands.
Merazomo said:
I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
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First and most important, it's exactly as @Davey126 stated directly above. Second in order to support your decision: For many years now, I use Greenify and AFWall+ Pro, and I confirm your observation. All of our telephones (we don't own an Android tablet etc.) achieve overnight battery drainages between 0.5 - 0.7%/h including network connection and some non-greenified apps. In airplane mode the drainage decreases to 0.2 - 0.3%/h. For quite some time till about a year ago, I also used tools like Amplify, PowerNap etc. until I realised it makes no sense to try to turn on these knobs i.e. to fight effects but not the causes - and more important I didn't gain any battery life by their utilisation.
BTW: If you're interested in trying a different firewall, NetGuard by M66B, very well known among all users interested in privacy, is an interesting alternative. Based on VPN and no-root required. The only reason why I stay with AFWall+ Pro and don't switch to NetGuard is Android's inherent limitation to only allow one VPN tunnel at a time. And as I always enable my own secure VPN connection with my RaspberryPi in our home network before I connect to mobile data or a foreign WiFi, I can't use NetGuard.
Oswald Boelcke said:
First and most important, it's exactly as @Davey126 stated directly above. Second in order to support your decision: For many years now, I use Greenify and AFWall+ Pro, and I confirm your observation. All of our telephones (we don't own an Android tablet etc.) achieve overnight battery drainages between 0.5 - 0.7%/h including network connection and some non-greenified apps. In airplane mode the drainage decreases to 0.2 - 0.3%/h. For quite some time till about a year ago, I also used tools like Amplify, PowerNap etc. until I realised it makes no sense to try to turn on these knobs i.e. to fight effects but not the causes - and more important I didn't gain any battery life by their utilisation.
BTW: If you're interested in trying a different firewall, NetGuard by M66B, very well known among all users interested in privacy, is an interesting alternative. Based on VPN and no-root required. The only reason why I stay with AFWall+ Pro and don't switch to NetGuard is Android's inherent limitation to only allow one VPN tunnel at a time. And as I always enable my own secure VPN connection with my RaspberryPi in our home network before I connect to mobile data or a foreign WiFi, I can't use NetGuard.
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Yeah, after doing much research online, it came down to NetGuard - NoRoot Firewall - Droidwall(now Avast) - Afwall+.
I chose Afwall+ because it seemed easier to use. The other apps seem more customizable if you know what you're doing, but for what I needed Afwall+ is more of a "click and save" type of app.
Davey126 said:
A software firewall (preferably VPN based) is an excellent way to block unwanted content and network communications including ads, tracking uploads and/or malicious downloads. I run some type of software firewall on every device I own. As for idle drain rates, I average 0.15-0.25%/hr on WiFi only tablets; 0.4-0.6%/hr on phones. Pretty consistent range regardless of brand, ROM or other variables. Greenify, which I use sparingly, is the only non-native power management tool in my arsenal. No silly alarm/wakelock squashing, doze tuners, etc. Mind your settings, behaviors and app portfolio. Pretty simple stuff. Depressing news for budding geeks with too much time on their hands.
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Curiosity bricked a few of my phones over the years LOL. I guess it's human nature.
Reading through a bunch of threads when I still didn't know what Greenify was, there were a few discussions about being able to get "push notifications" when an app was still in hibernation.
How much truth is there to those statements? I have Instagram, Messenger, Facebook, etc. installed on my phone not because I use them constantly, but because it's the easier/cheaper way for my family to contact me.
It would be great to be able to hibernate all those apps, and still know when my family is trying to contact me, even if I have to manually hibernate the apps again afterwards.
Or did I read too much into it and mixed things up?
Merazomo said:
Curiosity bricked a few of my phones over the years LOL. I guess it's human nature.
Reading through a bunch of threads when I still didn't know what Greenify was, there were a few discussions about being able to get "push notifications" when an app was still in hibernation.
How much truth is there to those statements? I have Instagram, Messenger, Facebook, etc. installed on my phone not because I use them constantly, but because it's the easier/cheaper way for my family to contact me.
It would be great to be able to hibernate all those apps, and still know when my family is trying to contact me, even if I have to manually hibernate the apps again afterwards.
Or did I read too much into it and mixed things up?
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Push notifications work with some Greenifed apps (must be GCM capable) but may be delayed by minutes/hours depending on Greenify settings, app design, GCM capabilities, availability of Xposed framework, timing of doze maintenance windows and a bunch of other variables. Best way to assess with your app portfolio is to try.
My android device is rooted with xposed framework installed and greenify xposed module enabled. What Greenify settings i can enable to make it perform at its best?
Peter770 said:
My android device is rooted with xposed framework installed and greenify xposed module enabled. What Greenify settings i can enable to make it perform at its best?
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There is no right answer as every device and work flow is unique. That said, Aggressive Doze, Doze on the Go and Wakeup Timer Coalescing are popular choices with limited side effects. If you miss notifications or find your device lagging for a few seconds after wake disable Aggressive Doze. Resist the temptation to add every app/service to Greenify's action list; only target apps that demonstrate bad behaviors. If running Android 6+ doze will take care of most background activity w/o help from Greenify. It's a tool to address specific problems.
What is the difference between the three hibernation modes: default, normal hibernation, deep hibernation (by island)?
Peter770 said:
What is the difference between the three hibernation modes: default, normal hibernation, deep hibernation (by island)?
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Default is whatever you set as the default in Greenify settings. Normal is what Android uses by default and is adequate for the vast majority of work flows. Deep requires an add on product (Island) and seems to be a solution looking for a problem. You could have discovered all this by searching the thread or reading documentation.
Peter770 said:
What is the difference between the three hibernation modes: default, normal hibernation, deep hibernation (by island)?
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I absolutely concur to @Davey126's correct statement and recommendation, and I'm unable to add anything substantial. However, I like to share my settings (please refer to attached screenshots), and if interested and required I'll provide information, which of my applications are not greenified.
Regarding your question, at least from my point of view all settings are pretty well explained within Greenify but it's also worth to study the threads by @oasisfeng that are pinned to this Greenify forum.
Thanks, for the screenshots. It was helpful.
I have problem with some apps, like Nine email client, which won't hibernate. Why is that?
Peter770 said:
I have problem with some apps, like Nine email client, which won't hibernate. Why is that?
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They might be woken up by other apps. If so, you can cut off the links using wakeup tracker option in Greenify's settings.
'Wake-up tracking and cut-off' option is enabled.
Peter770 said:
'Wake-up tracking and cut-off' option is enabled.
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Merely enabling the option is not enough. You have to manually cut off the trigger. When an app which you greenified wakes up automatically and is shown in Greenify as pending hibernation, if you long press the app, it will show some info like which app or process triggered it and whether it is critical etc. Then you can click the three dot menu button at top right and choose to cut off the trigger using the scissor icon or to ignore its running state. Then it will remain hibernated. Be careful while choosing the options since it may have unwanted side effects. Unless you are sure that you don't absolutely want that app to run in the background and be woken only upon your choosing to open it, don't meddle with the options.
EDIT: I am rusty with Greenify since I haven't installed it for my daily driver and hence the instructions are from memory. There may be some slight differences with what I stated and the actual behaviour.
I don't see these Greenify options but my device is running android 4.4.2 and that might be the reason.
Peter770 said:
I don't see these Greenify options but my device is running android 4.4.2 and that might be the reason.
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Sorry, I have no idea since I never ran Greenify before MM and that was looong ago.
DB126 said:
Default is whatever you set as the default in Greenify settings. Normal is what Android uses by default and is adequate for the vast majority of work flows. Deep requires an add on product (Island) and seems to be a solution looking for a problem. You could have discovered all this by searching the thread or reading documentation.
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True man, but i am looking for that documentation for a few days (cause i like to read...); so i ended up here... still... no documentation...
So please, if you are kind, give me a link to Greenify documentation.!
Thanks.!
Robotu said:
True man, but i am looking for that documentation for a few days (cause i like to read...); so i ended up here... still... no documentation...
So please, if you are kind, give me a link to Greenify documentation.!
Thanks.!
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Greenify is obsolete; power management approaches of the past are no longer relevant. Looking forward is a better time investment. Greenify documentation exists somewhere but I'm not going hunting. Good luck, mate.
DB126 said:
Greenify is obsolete; power management approaches of the past are no longer relevant. Looking forward is a better time investment. Greenify documentation exists somewhere but I'm not going hunting. Good luck, mate.
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Very true, though it took me a few days to convince myself..., just to remember why i freezed it few years ago...
Thanks...!