Hello everybody
I wanna ask if someone has tried using LOS 7.1.2 or generally any other android rom without Gapps and google services
is MicroG really a good alternative for Gservices?
is battery life better? what are the most common problems with going away from google's way?
I tried searching for answers but to no avail unfortunately (or answers were really old)
U may can't use some features such as finding location and restoring contacts
I added a ss all of this features which may u won't use. Cuz those are connected to Google's services'
A system without GAPPS is totally fine and there are always many alternatives to compensate the loss and even can bring somewhat benefits to the handset.
Without GAPPS, your phone will have a significant better battery life than those who has the package installed.
Hope this explanation solved your problems once and for all.
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Hi I'm trying to decide which custom ROM to use to get off Google's grid on my smartphone.
I wonder which and how custom Android ROMs are better able to deliver privacy? To better evaluate that, I guess you need to seperate exactly which Google services monitor details on a typical ROM. Also, which of those services, if any, are used in popular custom ROMs like Cyanogen, anything AOSP /K/ MIUI etc. To prevent over-analysis, the bottom line is about finding a custom ROM that uses as few Google services as possible.
Do any of the above custom ROMs use more or fewer Google services? Is there is still a base of Google services which report back to Google regardless of it being custom? Is there any ROM built from the ground up (of Android open source)?
I hope this thread can find like-minded, respectful people and no critics, trolls, *****ness or 'noob' talk.
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Hi I'm trying to decide which custom ROM to use to get off Google's grid on my smartphone.
I wonder which and how custom Android ROMs are better able to deliver privacy? To better evaluate that, I guess you need to seperate exactly which Google services monitor details on a typical ROM. Also, which of those services, if any, are used in popular custom ROMs like Cyanogen, anything AOSP /K/ MIUI etc. To prevent over-analysis, the bottom line is about finding a custom ROM that uses as few Google services as possible.
Do any of the above custom ROMs use more or fewer Google services? Is there is still a base of Google services which report back to Google regardless of it being custom? Is there any ROM built from the ground up (of Android open source)?
I hope this thread can find like-minded, respectful people and no critics, trolls, *****ness or 'noob' talk.
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I am in exactly the same boat. I'm beginning my search on how to do this with my Nexus 7. That's how I got here. I am a noob and I did watch the "Noob Video". Hilarious! Any info I can find, I will post back here.
Hi all.
I have a rooted phone that is used strictly in wifi mode and only needs to be able to run 4 or 5 standard aps, a couple of optional aps, plus the aps that support rooted phones and enhanced power management. I don't want google-anything on it, and I am not kidding. My prime concern is battery life, I hope to be able to run my phone for 3 to 4 days (or more) between charges, so deleting all fluff aps and crapware is important, as is underclocking it and getting rid of google. I also want to stop updating of the operating system and installed software by google.
I hope to do a hardware mod to remove power from the cell band rf transceiver. Despite it being turned off in the phone using software, I am detecting occasional transmissions from the cell band transmitter. Hardware mods are not a problem for me, I'm a retired EE, who specialized in RF design.
I need to know if it's possible for the phone to function if gmail, google+, google search, chrome, google calendar and google-whatever are exhorsized (uninstalled)? Yes, I also want to give the playstore the boot, to prevent excessive battery drain (and, yes, I do realize downloading aps will be slightly more difficult without the playstore).
For those who might be interested, the phone is used as a wifi phone for the home based Ooma telephone service. I also might like to run a mini bittorrent server. It seems to me that the android community could use bittorrent in place of the playstore, thus making it easier for others to give google and google playstore the boot
I love this forum, and want to thank all those that support and administer it.
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alohagirl said:
Hi all.
I have a rooted phone that is used strictly in wifi mode and only needs to be able to run 4 or 5 standard aps, a couple of optional aps, plus the aps that support rooted phones and enhanced power management. I don't want google-anything on it, and I am not kidding. My prime concern is battery life, I hope to be able to run my phone for 3 to 4 days (or more) between charges, so deleting all fluff aps and crapware is important, as is underclocking it and getting rid of google. I also want to stop updating of the operating system and installed software by google.
I hope to do a hardware mod to remove power from the cell band rf transceiver. Despite it being turned off in the phone using software, I am detecting occasional transmissions from the cell band transmitter. Hardware mods are not a problem for me, I'm a retired EE, who specialized in RF design.
I need to know if it's possible for the phone to function if gmail, google+, google search, chrome, google calendar and google-whatever are exhorsized (uninstalled)? Yes, I also want to give the playstore the boot, to prevent excessive battery drain (and, yes, I do realize downloading aps will be slightly more difficult without the playstore).
For those who might be interested, the phone is used as a wifi phone for the home based Ooma telephone service. I also might like to run a mini bittorrent server. It seems to me that the android community could use bittorrent in place of the playstore, thus making it easier for others to give google and google playstore the boot
I love this forum, and want to thank all those that support and administer it.
Aloha,
A
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There are threads all over the place trying to do this. Google is deeply ingrained into all the apks used by the os. You will be very hard pressed to find away to remove them completely and still have things work right.
I agree that security is an illusion. I dumped Microshaft in 2013 in order to improve my security and privacy.
However, the android operating system is supposed to be open source, so it should be possible to de-google-ize it IF someone knows how to edit and recompile the android OS.
I was merely asking if anyone knew of a way to give google the boot, even if it came down to paying someone to compile a custom rom.
The loss of google playstore is not a consideration, neither is a monetary forfeiture (any programmers out there?).
I'm curious, is it possible to gag google so it can't connect to the outside world (with a firewall)? We used to do this in XP to prevent Bill's Internet Explorer from downloading updates.
Are any of the custom roms currently available able to run without google-anything??
Is there any hope, or is it truly hopeless? If a custom rom that gave google the boot was available, how many would pay a small fee to have it? Just curious??!!
TY
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alohagirl said:
I agree that security is an illusion. I dumped Microshaft in 2013 in order to improve my security and privacy.
However, the android operating system is supposed to be open source, so it should be possible to de-google-ize it IF someone knows how to edit and recompile the android OS.
I was merely asking if anyone knew of a way to give google the boot, even if it came down to paying someone to compile a custom rom.
The loss of google playstore is not a consideration, neither is a monetary forfeiture (any programmers out there?).
I'm curious, is it possible to gag google so it can't connect to the outside world (with a firewall)? We used to do this in XP to prevent Bill's Internet Explorer from downloading updates.
Are any of the custom roms currently available able to run without google-anything??
Is there any hope, or is it truly hopeless? If a custom rom that gave google the boot was available, how many would pay a small fee to have it? Just curious??!!
TY
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There is one project that is working on removing Google completely in the forums. A search will find it for you. There are some issues that I don't recall if they could find a way around or fix. You could give that a shot.
Hey,
Will rooting and extensive debloating Android be sufficient to stay away from google and tracking or is it neccessary to use a custom Rom (Lineage?).
Unfortunately there is no custom Rom for Samsung Xcover 4s yet.
I'm aware, that stock Lineage also will not be sufficient, but I ask myself if I get the manufaturers ROM almost as reticent as Lineage.
Maybe someone asked himself this question before and can give me a hint.
Thx
If your aim is to stay away from Google tracking, then you would have to remove Google play services completely. Make sure you know the cons of that - many apps depend on Play Services and would no longer function on your phone. If you are okay with that, debloating should be sufficient.
In future, if you decide to install a custom ROM, it is always better to go for official builds.
Wrichik Basu said:
If your aim is to stay away from Google tracking, then you would have to remove Google play services completely. Make sure you know the cons of that - many apps depend on Play Services and would no longer function on your phone. If you are okay with that, debloating should be sufficient.
In future, if you decide to install a custom ROM, it is always better to go for official builds.
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Thx. That sounds promising, I expected Google and other Bloatware to be as deep in Android system that there would be no way to stay on stock rom.
I'd prefer custom Rom, but waterproof and removable battery are rare features today in combination I guess. Xcover 4s would satisfy my hardware needs, but hoping for custom Rom on Samsung with Exynos probably is hopless, right?
Oh man, I hate to trade-off. And my actual phone (Xperia ZR) is dying slowly and annoying with more and more problems
I mainly use my phone for apps, usual call/txt and 1 game that I'm playing. The feature that I will miss is probably the Magnification.
I saw LineAge OS 17.1 on the other thread, but I'm not sure if I will pull the trigger. That means I have to do alot of backups etc.
Have you guys upgraded yours and what's your experience so far?
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I recently upgraded to Lineage OS - there's an unofficial build by @derf elot which I have been using as my daily driver for 6 months or so. Works really well on all fronts EXCEPT for apps that require any kind of verified device security and Safety Net.
Because you have to unlock the bootloader, your chances of passing SN are slim to none (I could not get it to work on a G8343) so you can kiss apps that require Google Play verification goodbye (Banking apps, Netflix, a few Authenticator apps, etc.)
If you can do without those apps, then I have no issues running LOS.
Hello! Thanks for replying to my question.
Did you notice a significant performance increase? I mainly use it for apps and 1 games anyway.
And does LineAge has Magnification too on Accessibility?
I'm wondering what people think is the best ROM (no gapps) for this phone today, and how that's likely to evolve over time.
Do any ROMs stand out in terms of features, performance, or battery life? Are there any ROMs that have significant problems?
Are any ROMs "official", or likely to be? Should that be a concern or factor?
Also I'm looking to set this up no gapps, so micro-g integration is a factor. It seems like the Magisk module should work well enough with most ROMs, but I'm new to this part.
Bump. Anyone…?
"Best" is such a personal thing that I can only tell you that I'm using Resurrection Remix and am extremely pleased; lots of customization, stability, Slim Recents, and no Gapps are what make it perfect for me.
It's the first ROM I tried on this phone, and it works so well for me that I'm not (currently) considering trying something else...although my curiosity and general nature (see my sig) may lead me to trying out a different ROM...eventually, maybe.
- Resurrection Remix has a long history, but who knows for sure about developement for this phone?
- Feels nice and snappy to use, but I have no Gapps and I've only installed a few (5 or 6) apps.
- Battery life is great, for me, I don't use my phone much and go 3-4 days with still 80% left.
- Not interested in Google or microG, so can't speak to that.
TiTiB said:
"Best" is such a personal thing
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Certainly there's allowance for people to describe what they consider best.
TiTiB said:
I'm using Resurrection Remix and am extremely pleased
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So far I'm liking RR, but IIUC there's no plans for that to be official for this phone.
Previously, I loved CR-Droid, but on this phone it's missing a lot. IIUC, there's a plan to make that official, but I haven't seen any progress for a few months.
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Not interested in Google or microG, so can't speak to that
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I'm curious, how does that work? I'm new to de-Googled phones, and I thought microG was kind of necessary to get most apps working. It certainly seems important for apps that use location, eg weather and mapping.
go vegan said:
Certainly there's allowance for people to describe what they consider best.
So far I'm liking RR, but IIUC there's no plans for that to be official for this phone.
Previously, I loved CR-Droid, but on this phone it's missing a lot. IIUC, there's a plan to make that official, but I haven't seen any progress for a few months.
I'm curious, how does that work? I'm new to de-Googled phones, and I thought microG was kind of necessary to get most apps working. It certainly seems important for apps that use location, eg weather and mapping.
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I do my best to never allow anything to know my location. I use Open Street Maps in offline mode for maps, my weather app uses my zipcode, etc.
I'm totally ungoogled on my phone. F-droid apps only.
EDIIT: Preemptive correction. Not true about F-droid apps only, or even FOSS only. Obviously Brave Browser, for instance, is neither.
TiTiB said:
I do my best to never allow anything to know my location. I use Open Street Maps in offline mode for maps, my weather app uses my zipcode, etc.
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I've been using this - https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.tobykurien.webapps/
If I want a "web app" to have access to my location, I can permit that on an as-needed basis.
I'm also migrating towards weather apps from F-Droid - https://search.f-droid.org/?q=weather&lang=en
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I'm totally ungoogled on my phone. F-droid apps only.
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I'm not there yet, but I think I'm on my way. Location (via microG/NLP) is handy for lots of things, especially when I have control over it.
I'm new to de-Googled phones. Can you point me to resources about the pros and cons of microG? I was under the impression that it's kind of necessary for notifications and location services…? But maybe if you don't need/want notifications and location services, then there's no need for it?
go vegan said:
I've been using this - https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.tobykurien.webapps/
If I want a "web app" to have access to my location, I can permit that on an as-needed basis.
I'm also migrating towards weather apps from F-Droid - https://search.f-droid.org/?q=weather&lang=en
I'm not there yet, but I think I'm on my way. Location (via microG/NLP) is handy for lots of things, especially when I have control over it.
I'm new to de-Googled phones. Can you point me to resources about the pros and cons of microG? I was under the impression that it's kind of necessary for notifications and location services…? But maybe if you don't need/want notifications and location services, then there's no need for it?
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Haven't had interest in microG in years, and don't have any info about what is or is not required for location or notifications. I have no need for either. I use my phone for calls, texts, and, very rarely, web access via Brave, Bromite, or Fennec—that's it. If need to look at a map, I have it already downloaded is OSM.
TiTiB said:
I use my phone for calls, texts, and, very rarely, web access via Brave, Bromite, or Fennec—that's it. If need to look at a map, I have it already downloaded is OSM.
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I use a dumb-phone for calls and texts. I use a smart-phone as a pocket-size portable computer.
Which custom rom did you end up trying? Im also on the same boat as you in terms of wanting to degoogle. I just successfully unlocked the bootloader and rooted the device via magisk. Now I'm trying to figure out the next step in getting rid of gapps and having microG in place of play services. The user fulalas created a debloat magisk module, and if that removes core gapps I'm wondering if implementing that and then installing microG will be the solution for me