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Does anyone know how to do it on the Droid?
Is there a single honorable reason why you would be interested in doing this?
I sure can't think of one.
well as soon as wifi packet injection works on android i am switching.
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Is there a single honorable reason why you would be interested in doing this?
I sure can't think of one.
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Vulnerability testing... an auditor who wants to do bluetooth related pen test with his/her phone?
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Vulnerability testing... an auditor who wants to do bluetooth related pen test with his/her phone?
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Lets go with that . So I'm guessing theres no way yet?
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Lets go with that . So I'm guessing theres no way yet?
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Nope. Not yet.
I don't see why it matters to anyone why someone wants this.
I want this too. I don't have to explain to anyone as to why I want it. Because, it is absolutely none of your business. If you don't know how to implement it, then don't post.
Lol. This is a public forum. Of course you don't have to explain why you want something. Equally, if someone who could help doesn't want to, because they suspect you're up to no good, they don't have to justify their actions either, let alone help you. Blessed be.
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Lol. This is a public forum. Of course you don't have to explain why you want something. Equally, if someone who could help doesn't want to, because they suspect you're up to no good, they don't have to justify their actions either, let alone help you. Blessed be.
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Touché. I'll admit it. The main reason I want this is to mess with my friends. Nothing actually detrimental. Same reason I like sms bombers, and caller id fakers.
But still, this would be great to add on to my list
This would be so awesome..just from a security standpoint to be able to show and explain to friends and family to not there guards down when it comes to cyber theft and to turn off your radios when not in use
I never quite understand answers like this. This forum is for the exchange of information, not personal opinions. People that think their some kind of 'ethics police' need not be on this type of site. This site is for the exploration, hacking and development of our phones. Rooting & custom firmware is frowned upon by security researchers and manufacturers alike, but because your into it, it's morally correct?
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I never quite understand answers like this. This forum is for the exchange of information, not personal opinions. People that think their some kind of 'ethics police' need not be on this type of site. This site is for the exploration, hacking and development of our phones. Rooting & custom firmware is frowned upon by security researchers and manufacturers alike, but because your into it, it's morally correct?
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Yep, one man's "not needed" is another man's necessity. This is no less needed than say someone thinking they need a ps3 controller (or wiimote) working with their phone, but no one really complains about that.
here's a very legitimate reason for you so if you know how PM me
Hi,
A friend of mine has an older mobile with a broken touchscreen - the phone no longer has a SIM or a RAM card and is in "Music Sync" mode when it connects to a PC via USB.
They are currently in a court case and need to get their old SMS's off the broken phone - all the "forensic" mobile software out there (from $500 up to $5000!!!) require that the phone is in PC-Suite (or PC-Sync) mode. This can't be changed on the phone as the touchscreen doesn't work.
The only way to get to the SMS's is by Bluesnarfing, so if you know of a PC program or a WinMo 6.5 program that will let me access their phone PM me.
Thanks.
Why is there always that one person that offers no assistance, takes up bandwidth questioning your motives...
For those that don't know:
"Bluesnarfing is the theft of information from a wireless device through a Bluetooth connection, often between phones, desktops, laptops, and PDAs. This allows access to a calendar, contact list, emails and text messages. Bluesnarfing is much more serious in relation to Bluejacking, although both exploit others’ Bluetooth connections without their knowledge. Any device with its Bluetooth connection turned on and set to “discoverable” (able to be found by other Bluetooth devices in range) can be attacked. By turning off this feature you can be protected from the possibility of being Bluesnarfed. Since it is an invasion of privacy, Bluesnarfing is illegal in many countries."
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So I think I've done enough research to have an idea of why recording the incoming voice stream is so damn elusive and difficult. Basically, it seems that it's an access issue between the baseband processor and the application processor.
So here's my question/idea: Doesn't the app processor have some level of access to the incoming voice stream by virtue of the fact that the stream can be sent to the headset jack, speaker, or even a bluetooth device at will? If the stream cannot be intercepted when going to the standard ear piece, can it perhaps be intercepted via whatever mechanism is diverting the stream to the various types of output?
For example, maybe we could develop a virtual bluetooth device. Similar to a virtual DVD drive in widows. There's no real physical drive, but the driver makes windows think there is and it can be used to mount ISOs... Well, same concept - make a virtual bluetooth device that android thinks is a physical device, and use whatever existing mechanisms to divert the audio stream to the virtual device. Then of course, the back-end for the virtual bluetooth could simply send the sound back to the handset whilst recording the audio stream.
I'm still an Android dev n00b, so coding this would take me quite some time. But what do you veterans think? Does this sound plausable/impossible/stupid? Maybe someone's thought of this and it didn't work out for whatever reason?
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Im not a dev by any means but I wish you luck I would love to have call recording on the Atrix. I can have it on the Cap ONLY on I9000 ROMs, had something to do with one of the eurasian Galaxy S models shipping with a call recording feature baked in to the "Dialer" app and the devs ported that dialer to I9000. Afaik it wont work w CM7 so I cant use it even tho I still have the flashable zip on my sd. Maybe if you change your post title to say you are wanting to dev for call recording you would get more of a response, I know this is the dev forum but as many wrong posts that have been here lately you might get overlooked..
Just remember the laws and regulations if you do indeed succeed. In the US, it is illegal to record a call without notifying the party involved with the call.
Cant wait to see it working.
Sent from Motorola Atrix on TELUS.
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Just remember the laws and regulations if you do indeed succeed. In the US, it is illegal to record a call without notifying the party involved with the call.
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You're somewhat correct here. The actual answer here is that it is illegal in some states to record any interaction between two people without notification and acceptance by both parties. Some states it's a simple notification, some states it's illegal period, some states it doesn't matter. It's all by the state.
yup very true, every state has different rulings on the laws of call recording. Mostly big states you must notify the other party saying this call is being recorded blah blah blah... I live in CA so everytime I get a telemarketers call I always hear that BS
why on development?.
Moved.
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why on development?.
Moved.
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Because it's a development question, necessitating an answer from a developer. The legal conversation is not the intent of this post.
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Just remember the laws and regulations if you do indeed succeed. In the US, it is illegal to record a call without notifying the party involved with the call.
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There is already a long thread on this same subject in which I layed out the actual law as it pertains to states and the federal law about recording calls.
Please refrain from posting what is 100% wrong, especially when it relates to legalities. You misinform people who could actually be seeking legal advice.
Read the following and educate yourself from there!
http://www.callcorder.com/phone-recording-law-america.htm
I would ask that the moderators shut down threads where legal arguments arise, as there is so much misinformation from ignorant parties in these threads, that it could cause XDA more problems than they bargain for.
more so threads that are retreads of existing threads that aren't even that old.
No more legal talk!!
Sigh... Why on earth can't we talk about this subject without it turning into a legal discussion??
I don't give a rat's a** about the law here. No, I don't intend to break it, but that's 100% irrelevant. I'm not a lawyer trying to solve a legal problem, I'm an engineer and budding mobile dev hobbyist trying to solve a TECHNICAL problem.
Please, don't thwart an otherwise good and edifying technical discussion with fruitless arguing about legal BS. If I were interested in what the law says, I would not be posting to XDA. Come on, guys! Let's talk baseband processors, hacks, kernel mode drivers, <insert more tech jargon here>...
Maybe this is why no one can get anywhere with this. It always somehow transforms from "solve technical problem" (which is what we're good at, and actually qualified to do) to "get into a legal/philosophical debate". I don't know about you all, but I didn't go to law school; I went to a technical school and got a EE. And last time I checked the xda-developers.com home page, it said that XDA is:
"...the largest Internet community of lawyers/law students who like to discuss legal issues as they pertain to mobile devices."
Oops, no wait. My bad. It actually says:
"...the largest Internet community of smartphone/tablet enthusiasts and developers for the Android and Windows Phone platforms."
Can we please try to focus here? I didn't come here to pick a fight. Let's put our heads together and solve a technical problem.
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more so threads that are retreads of existing threads that aren't even that old.
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Those threads aren't productive because they all get off-subject by turning into legal debates. I was hoping that maybe this thread could actually be different and maybe help get some real and productive conversation going about the technical issues.
ah fair enough. Maybe edit the subject for that reason. Personally I would like to have this feature, came in handy once on my touch pro. over here we can record as long as 1 party knows its being recorded.
If you legally can't in your area, this thread might not be for you.
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That's a good idea. I didn't know I could do that. Having trouble though. Sorry, I'm kind of an XDA n00b as well... how do I edit the subject? I can edit the post, but the subject appears to be read-only.
haha wish I could tell you off hand but I haven't had to edit one before.
What are the best non-motorola androids?
All motorola phones have call recording capabilities specifically crippled in their libaudio.so file.
I currently have an atrix and I don't have the knowledge of android OS to fix the libaudio.so myself.
Please FFS do not post anything about the legalities of phone recording in this thread. They are easily found by searching and not the topic of this thread. If anyone chooses to do otherwise, I humbly request a mod remove the off topic BS that seems to consistently arise in threads about software rather than legal oriented threads.
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Bueller? Bueller?
It has nothing to do with the phone, it's VZ, etc. Call recording works fine on MIUI.
I know on Samsung Galaxy S2 you can install a Call Recorder, check your phone-section.
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It has nothing to do with the phone, it's VZ, etc. Call recording works fine on MIUI.
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It actually is the phone, the libaudio.so on ALL motorola US phones is crippled from the factory. No call recording software can work on the phone unless it's one of the jank garbage ones that only record's on speakerphone.
As someone pointed out earlier in the thread... call recording works fine in Miui roms.
Since you're looking for a software solution that would be the best way to go. Install Miui rom on your phone. If there is a Miui rom for your phone. I've recorded my calls multiple times and not for other folks for listening to it at a later time. A client calls me, I'm out in the field, we talk about specifics of the case, I record the call in progress and when I get back to the office I take notes. It does not work using bluetooth... or more specifically the client's voice can be heard but not mine.
Is there a 3rd party app that gives you the same functionality? I'm not sure. Haven't looked since Miui is my rom of choice and it does the job natively.
Good luck.
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It actually is the phone, the libaudio.so on ALL motorola US phones is crippled from the factory. No call recording software can work on the phone unless it's one of the jank garbage ones that only record's on speakerphone.
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This is because it is illegal in alot of states unless you tell them you are recording them. If you don't they could sue you and have you put up on federal charges. The carriers are not gonna risk that.
If you want it then use an AOSP based rom that supports it. You could use MIUI but I wouldn't suggest it.
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This is because it is illegal in alot of states unless you tell them you are recording them. If you don't they could sue you and have you put up on federal charges. The carriers are not gonna risk that.
If you want it then use an AOSP based rom that supports it. You could use MIUI but I wouldn't suggest it.
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YOU WILL NOT BE BROUGHT UP ON FEDERAL CHARGES. You obviously don't know the laws and this is not the topic of the thread anyway. If you can't read then don't post, I specifically stated not to bring this off topic drivel into this thread.
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YOU WILL NOT BE BROUGHT UP ON FEDERAL CHARGES. You obviously don't know the laws and this is not the topic of the thread anyway. If you can't read then don't post, I specifically stated not to bring this off topic drivel into this thread.
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Just in the spirit of the holiday here is the law
I never said you would, just that you can be. And just so you know. Every Android phone I have had has had the same issue. Only a few have been able to get it to work on AOSP roms as they dont use the stock files.
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Just in the spirit of the holiday here is the law
I never said you would, just that you can be. And just so you know. Every Android phone I have had has had the same issue. Only a few have been able to get it to work on AOSP roms as they dont use the stock files.
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As I explain in PM, You CAN NOT be brought up on FEDERAL charges for recording your own phone calls. Federal law only requires one party consent, YOU are that party.
In the states mentioned in that link you can be brought up on STATE charges for violating the state laws.
However, all of this is off topic, I clearly stated in the first post
Please FFS do not post anything about the legalities of phone recording in this thread. They are easily found by searching and not the topic of this thread. If anyone chooses to do otherwise, I humbly request a mod remove the off topic BS that seems to consistently arise in threads about software rather than legal oriented threads.
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Your right this has gone way off topic. Topic is about the call recording software which is prevented on said phones.
You have answered. Of you want tgat ability you have to use a custom rom with it built into the kernel.
I want to know the real reason of it, why Atrix can not record calls?
is there any hope for the future or it's completely impossible.
any developer who got any achievement? any active development?
I will donate everybody who can do this.
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I want to know the real f***ing reason of it, why Atrix can not record calls?
is there any hope for the future or it's completely impossible.
any developer who got any achievement? any active development?
I will donate everybody who can do this.
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Because it's bloody difficult to have a conversation about this without armchair lawyers proffering terrible advice about the legality of recording calls. /Rant
There have been threads that have included portions of Chinese MIUI Roms that allow recording on the Atrix, and in some cases, the LIB files have been stripped out to test with existing ROMS. I tried these files, but have not been able to make it work, nor do I know of anyone else that has been able to do so on a repeatable basis. I have also heard anecdotally that there are requirements within the kernel that must be met, and none of the commonly used kernels have such features baked in.
Folks have also provided solutions that record the "speakerphone" portion of the conversation, but again, these are suboptimal relative to the capability that it appears some Atrixes have.
Essentially, I would say that there is hope for this functionality ( and I would donate as well), but it will likely require more time and energy than most devs are able to spare. Good luck!
I'm not f***ing sure that anyone here f***ing knows the f***ing reason why the f***ing Atrix doesn't f***ing record any f***ing calls, and you can f***ing bet your f***ing a** that that's f***ing-A right.
(Yes, I'm mocking you. The profanity isn't necessary and you aren't impressing anyone by using it.)
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The profanity isn't necessary
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you're f**king right, I was so angry at the moment from Motorola.
Since Skype updated to version 4 on Android, the DNA is no longer being supported and you cannot download the new version. Here is what the Skype representative had to say:
Thank you for your reply.
We appreciate you taking time to provide the additional information that we have requested so that we can investigate further on why you are unable to download and install Skype on your device.
We have reviewed our resources and asked our specialized team and we are sorry to inform you that unfortunately, your device is currently not supported by Skype.
We are continuously working hard to create Skype versions that support new/other devices. However creating new versions take time and may not be available in the near future. As soon as a new version is released it will be posted on our website.
We ask for your patience and understanding.
Should you need more assistance, feel free to contact us again.
Best regards,
Roan Charyl
Skype Customer Service
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Me:
Yeah, I know it's not supported. The question is why? It's a current phone with very decent specs even now that it is around 7 months old. Are you really gonna tell me that a phone such as the DNA is not supported? What's wrong? It was supported just fine before this ****ty update you decided to put out. But seriously, even if you decide not to officially support it, why not allow the option for us to still download it? I'm sure the DNA can handle it..
Very disappointed in Microsoft.. I await your reply.
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Hello XXXX,
We understand your concern regarding the problem you experienced downloading Skype on your android device. We appreciate the opportunity to assist you with this matter.
We can certainly understand that you wish to use the latest version of Skype for android on your device. As of yet, Skype can only support version 3.2 on your device.
Rest assured that our development team is already looking into this matter. In the meantime, we kindly ask you to stand by for the future releases of Skype, and we apologize for the inconvenience.
You can also view the release notes here:
http://developer.skype.com/releasenotes
Should you need more assistance, feel free to contact us again.
We’d also like to advise you to update your Skype profile with the latest details. This will help us to provide you with the best possible solution more quickly and protect your account from abuse.
To learn how to update your Skype profile:
https://support.skype.com/faq/FA12314/
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Jose E.
Skype Customer Service
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I'm still not satisfied with your response. I want the technical reason why it is not being supported. Please respond.
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Hello XXXX,
Thank you for your reply.
We are sorry to hear that your HTC Android DNA device is currently not supported at this time. Allow us to look more closely into this.
We know how much you wanted to use Skype on your device.
Please be assured that we are working hard to implement performance and usability improvements as well as new features and new devices that will be supported by Skype.
We will inform our development departments about this so that it will be implemented in the near future.
Should you need more assistance, feel free to contact us again.
We’d also like to advise you to update your Skype profile with the latest details. This will help us to provide you with the best possible solution more quickly and protect your account from abuse.
To learn how to update your Skype profile:
https://support.skype.com/faq/FA12314/
Best regards,
Jayvee M.
Skype Customer Service
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I would still HIGHLY APPRECIATE a TECHNICAL REASON as to why the DNA is not supported. Not "I'm sorry, we'll look into it"
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Hello XXXX,
Thank you for your reply.
We are here to further explain things regarding the compatibility of HTC Android DNA device with Skype.
Please be advised that Skype is currently not supported on the said device because, Skype have not yet created a software that will match the system requirements of HTC Android DNA, but our developer is working hard on adding this feature in the near future.
Should any further issues arise, please feel free to contact us again.
We’d also like to advise you to update your Skype profile with the latest details. This will help us to provide you with the best possible solution more quickly and protect your account from abuse.
To learn how to update your Skype profile:
https://support.skype.com/faq/FA12314/
Best regards,
Dominic M.
Skype Customer Service
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You love giving broad and general answers don't you? I want the SPECIFIC REASON why it is not supported. Give me an articulable reason. Is the processor not supported? Is the screen resolution not supported? WHAT IS IT?
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Hello XXXX,
We appreciate your response and we do understand that you would like to know why Skype isn't supported on your device. We'll do our best to explain this for you.
We are always making sure that improvements are being made and new versions are being released. For now, we are still in the process of adding latest versions of Skype on different devices. We are working on adding more phones all the time, but we are not able to provide you with an exact time frame for when your device may be supported.
Should you need more assistance, feel free to contact us again.
Best regards,
Jackie Lyn D. G.
Skype Customer Service
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I would still appreciate a real response.
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Hello XXXX,
We understand that you'd like to know why your device is not supported by Skype.
To clarify, the new 4.0 version of Skype is compatible with Android phones only. As we can see, the HTC Android DNA has the specifications of a "phablet". This means that it is a phone but has the size of a small "tablet" device.
Although most Android phones are supported by the new version of the Skype application, some are left incompatible due to the size, resolution and specification designs of the application. For this, we apologize for we are unable to provide a specific reason why it is not yet supported but we assure you that we are working on developing a version that would work with your device in the future.
We hope that we have given you an idea and we thank you for your time.
Best regards,
Trisha M.
Skype Customer Service
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download and install manually
http://play.apkshared.net/store/apps/details?id=com.skype.raider
Works fine
alejobog said:
download and install manually
http://play.apkshared.net/store/apps/details?id=com.skype.raider
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Worked perfectly. Didn't detect any viruses in it and it works perfectly.... **** you Microsoft for turning Skype into ****.
I added my back and forth with Skype in the OP. So infuriating...
terrorist96 said:
I added my back and forth with Skype in the OP. So infuriating...
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People like you make me glad I no longer work in customer service.
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croppz said:
People like you make me glad I no longer work in customer service.
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...why? OP asked a simple question, and that was what the technical reasons reasons were for the latest Skype not being supported on the DNA, and the rep just kept giving vague answers and never answered his question.
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...why? OP asked a simple question, and that was what the technical reasons reasons were for the latest Skype not being supported on the DNA, and the rep just kept giving vague answers and never answered his question.
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Yeah, seriously. It's people like croppz that make me hate customer service to begin with.
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...why? OP asked a simple question, and that was what the technical reasons reasons were for the latest Skype not being supported on the DNA, and the rep just kept giving vague answers and never answered his question.
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Pretty clear that wasn't a human rep...
Even if it was, he/she probably has no clue why it isn't supported and may not even speak English well enough to explain it.
alejobog said:
download and install manually
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I installed this and it is waaay faster than 3. If anything is unsupported, it should be 3, not 4.
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Yeah, seriously. It's people like croppz that make me hate customer service to begin with.
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I was actually fairly good at my job and explained things to the best of my ability. But the moment you cussed at me, I would probably tell you to speak/act like a damn adult. If you want ro be respected, you have to give it as well. That person could have easily told you to piss off for being a whiny kid. Obviously that rep didn't know why it wasn't supported, you made yourself look like a big baby with your language and use of caps lock. You could have easily asked to be transferred to someone who may know, such as his/her manager or supervisor. Not everyone is as tech savvy as the people on this forum, cut them a damn break.
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I was actually fairly good at my job and explained things to the best of my ability. But the moment you cussed at me, I would probably tell you to speak/act like a damn adult. If you want ro be respected, you have to give it as well. That person could have easily told you to piss off for being a whiny kid. Obviously that rep didn't know why it wasn't supported, you made yourself look like a big baby with your language and use of caps lock. You could have easily asked to be transferred to someone who may know, such as his/her manager or supervisor. Not everyone is as tech savvy as the people on this forum, cut them a damn break.
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I don't agree with your two shots fired at each other. To speak on the issue though if the rep doesn't know they should transfer the person not reword the same response over and over.
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I've added additional communication with a Skype representative:
Me:
I would still appreciate a real response.
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Hello XXXX,
We understand that you'd like to know why your device is not supported by Skype.
To clarify, the new 4.0 version of Skype is compatible with Android phones only. As we can see, the HTC Android DNA has the specifications of a "phablet". This means that it is a phone but has the size of a small "tablet" device.
Although most Android phones are supported by the new version of the Skype application, some are left incompatible due to the size, resolution and specification designs of the application. For this, we apologize for we are unable to provide a specific reason why it is not yet supported but we assure you that we are working on developing a version that would work with your device in the future.
We hope that we have given you an idea and we thank you for your time.
Best regards,
Trisha M.
Skype Customer Service
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Dumbest explanation.. but at least it's something.
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I've added additional communication with a Skype representative:
Me:
Dumbest explanation.. but at least it's something.
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Hmm with that logic wonder if it's supported on the s4 lol
Sent from my VIPER DNA
Rejoice, my friends. Skype has been updated and the DNA is once more supported. All I can say is that it took them long enough! It shoulda been supported from the beginning.