Will there be any difference in performance between the Mi A1 and a RN4 running Lineage or RR considering that they are almost the same device spec wise (minus the better camera and worse battery on the A1)?
Consider also that many RN4 have 3 GB of RAM and 32 GB of storage.
But considering the 4/64 model, in terms of pure benchmark points, it will depends on other details, like the memory chips brands used, the quality of internal materials, internal circuits design solutions, ecc.
But for daily usage with RR or LOS you won't notice much differences.
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I don't know whether I should wait for the rn4 or go for the rn3. I'd really love the helio x20, but I don't think that would come to India cause of the lawsuit. Hypothetically, if it is launched, how would the software development be? Would it get many Roms? Cm especially? My second question is, if the rn4 comes with sd 652, it'll be like trading 3 mp of the rear camera in the rn3, for 2 cores in the rn4! Although, I'm not really into photography, that 16 mp cam does sound nice so do the 2 extra cores really make a difference, especially in gaming?
I've got the same question about the rom development for mediatek. I've used cm nearly for 2 years and I'll be switching to miui. It doesn't matter if there won't be cm for the rn4 mtk. Miui is good and I'm willing to do this change.
Being a photography amateur, i can tell you that mp doesn't do a difference. It's the sensor that counts. If the rn4 has a better image quality, go for it. Gaming depends on the gpu mostly and the adreno is more powerful than the mali. Will gaming be better with the 2 cores? I can't tell you.
Btw if that helps you, I'm buying the rn4 mtk insead of the rn3p.
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I don't know whether I should wait for the rn4 or go for the rn3. I'd really love the helio x20, but I don't think that would come to India cause of the lawsuit. Hypothetically, if it is launched, how would the software development be? Would it get many Roms? Cm especially? My second question is, if the rn4 comes with sd 652, it'll be like trading 3 mp of the rear camera in the rn3, for 2 cores in the rn4! Although, I'm not really into photography, that 16 mp cam does sound nice so do the 2 extra cores really make a difference, especially in gaming?
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Check the Redmi Note 3 (MediaTek) development thread if you want to get an idea of the scope for development (in short, some but not much). There are reports that there won't be a Snapdragon version of the Redmi Note 4 and you might have to unofficially import it. The difference in camera performance is negligible. Real world performance is identical, but GeekBench states the Redmi Note 4 has about 20% better single core performance, 50% better multicore performance and 25% better graphics performance on average. Also, the Redmi Note 4 has 10 cores which is 4 more than the SD650 and it is based on the 14nm architecture vs the 28nm of the SD650 but batterylife remains the same between the two.
Basically, the Redmi Note 4 is a slightly better phone but won't have anywhere near the amount of development the Note 3 has seen thus far. It not get CyanogenMod, but I think it will.
As a photographer I can confirm that higher megapixels doesn't necessarily mean better. Although people were saying that there's not much improvement in the rn4 cam over the rn3. I'd still take the 4 over the 3 anytime tho because the design is much nicer
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I've got the same question about the rom development for mediatek. I've used cm nearly for 2 years and I'll be switching to miui. It doesn't matter if there won't be cm for the rn4 mtk. Miui is good and I'm willing to do this change.
Being a photography amateur, i can tell you that mp doesn't do a difference. It's the sensor that counts. If the rn4 has a better image quality, go for it. Gaming depends on the gpu mostly and the adreno is more powerful than the mali. Will gaming be better with the 2 cores? I can't tell you.
Btw if that helps you, I'm buying the rn4 mtk insead of the rn3p.
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So you're buying the rn4? Despite lesser development for mtk? Although MIUI is pretty great, many still do prefer cm and it being an mtk device, it reduces options for os change which I don't REALLY like... But according to notebookcheck.com the mtk GPU is better than the adrenochrome 510!! Which would've sold it for me, but mtk devices can't come to India because of a lawsuit with Ericsson and they're not planning on making a Qualcomm variant :'( also, when you get the phone, do tell me about it's camera performance!!
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Check the Redmi Note 3 (MediaTek) development thread if you want to get an idea of the scope for development (in short, some but not much). There are reports that there won't be a Snapdragon version of the Redmi Note 4 and you might have to unofficially import it. The difference in camera performance is negligible. Real world performance is identical, but GeekBench states the Redmi Note 4 has about 20% better single core performance, 50% better multicore performance and 25% better graphics performance on average. Also, the Redmi Note 4 has 10 cores which is 4 more than the SD650 and it is based on the 14nm architecture vs the 28nm of the SD650 but batterylife remains the same between the two.
Basically, the Redmi Note 4 is a slightly better phone but won't have anywhere near the amount of development the Note 3 has seen thus far. It not get CyanogenMod, but I think it will.
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So the rn3 is still the better alternative, isn't it? Btw, the problem with unofficially importing it is that first off, it'll be in Chinese, so i have to fiddle around for the English version or flash English MIUI and then I don't know if I'll get warranty coverage, which I don't think I will... Lastly working with mtk devices scare me a bit, cause ive seen software like mtk flash tools, which I dont really understand! My mother has a Panasonic eluga turbo which is mtk and there isn't a single rom for that!!! (Literally)
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As a photographer I can confirm that higher megapixels doesn't necessarily mean better. Although people were saying that there's not much improvement in the rn4 cam over the rn3. I'd still take the 4 over the 3 anytime tho because the design is much nicer
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You are NOT wrong!! The rn4 does look better! It's more squarish and well defined! The rn3 is a little curvy for my taste...
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So the rn3 is still the better alternative, isn't it? Btw, the problem with unofficially importing it is that first off, it'll be in Chinese, so i have to fiddle around for the English version or flash English MIUI and then I don't know if I'll get warranty coverage, which I don't think I will... Lastly working with mtk devices scare me a bit, cause ive seen software like mtk flash tools, which I dont really understand! My mother has a Panasonic eluga turbo which is mtk and there isn't a single rom for that!!! (Literally)
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I'm on the fence on this one. I have a gut feeling that overall the Redmi Note 3 Pro might have better day-to-day performance because it's software is better optimised (X20 devices showed significant GPU lag in the beginning due to bad drivers, yet the Note 3 has open kernel sources and CAF builds). My heart says "Note 4" ("better" SOC, looks) yet my brain says "Note 3" (Awesome ROM support, cheaper). I hate the rounded plastic looking design of the Note 3 yet I think the Note 4 looks pretty good with its all metallic build and reflective chamfers (it just lacks a USB type C port for symmetry and reliability). On my Mi4c I stayed mostly on MIUI despite loving CM13 because of the better camera software (I am super-critical of camera performance, but I don't have high hopes for either of these in anything else but perfect conditions) so I think given the choice I would anyway have a MIUI running Note 3.
Usually, the reseller that you buy it from has a 1-2 year warranty, look out for those if it matters to you. I personally always do my own repairs, but we have a local reseller that repairs Xiaomi phones should I ever get stuck (I extrapolated it's the same where you come from). Generally speaking, Xiaomi is very tolerant when it comes to modifying devices, but you might have to read up more on that regarding your specific country.
I have flashed MIUI on a MediaTek Redmi Note 2 without any issue or difference from the Snapdragon versions. The Note 4 already has an English custom ROM available it's great, I've used it on 3 different Xiaomis before (Mi 4c, Redmi Note 2 and Mi 4). Here is the link: https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/6-9-15-19.34208/ . I haven't used flash tools on MediaTek devices but had to on several Snapdragon and Exynos devices. They're stupendously easy to use, you don't have to worry if it comes to that.
I was just reading through this article, "Advanced Kernel Tweaks for the OnePlus 3" and was really surprised by the improvement in battery life and performance by just making a few tweaks in the kernel profiles.
While the battery and SOT for our kenzo is already at par with most of the other devices, thanks to the massive battery, but still the thought of implementing the tweaks and further increasing the battery and performance to another level just amazed me. In this article the OP is talking about increasing the SOT upto 14hrs on OnePlus 3 without any significant trade off with the performance, with its 3000mAh battery. So, guys just think what these tweaks can do to our device.
Now, I'm not being too much greedy here but guys let's just give this a try. We have enough people here on our forum for testing.
Since, I'm not much active here and don't know much about the devs involved in the development of our device, so I ask everyone to tag the devs from our Redmi Note 3 forums, in this thread, so that they can look into it and work on highly optimising the different kernel parameters to get the most out of this device.
This is just a humble request from my side, which will benefit a lot of users. Its not that I'm commanding or forcing the devs to do it. Its just a humble request and the devs are free to neglect it.
Thanks anyways, let's hope the devs look into it at further improve the device's performance to another level.
The biggest problem is Snapdragon 650 is 28nm processor and Snapdragon 820/821 is 14nm. 650 will need higher voltage, higher power consumption to reach the stability and performance.
IF Snapdragon 650 were made with 14nm processing, I assume Kenzo will have around 12hr+ SOT straight out the box.
Second is processor architecture, 820/821 based on Kyro cores (heavily modified version of Cortex-A72/A73 core if I'm right, correct me this). Even small cluster of 820/821 will have the same or better performance to big cluster (2xCortex-A72) on 650.
10hrs+ SOT on Kenzo has reached hardware limitation. Miracle may happen, but don't expect it. Developers still looking for the best way to save your battery without trading too much performance.
IMO, Radon Kenzo is the "TWEAKED KERNEL" you need.
OT: Battery life is the only reason why RMN4 (SD) use 625 instead of 652 as we expected. RMN4 SD gonna have little worse CPU performance than MTK variant in trade of better graphic performance. And maybe battery life, I assuming it will have 12hrs+ straight out the box.
The clusters (there use the same archicture but the frequences are different) of s820/821 are at the same frequences less performing than a72, else same in 14nm the consumption of battery is too big with only big cores because there are not efficient for small usage .. so Qualcomm used their own cores mixed to perform correctly and battery consumption correct... but it's really not perfect (Geekbench 4 show well that kryo 100 are really not fantastic...)
If you want a big sot with 650, put down the big cluster... and launch them only on some bigs apps...
14h with an OP3 I think it's near to impossible, same with kernel tweaks... I know a OP3 user and generally it's not more than 5H SOT....
@Archmage1809, @jordandroid64 = The project was initially started for Nexus 5x which had SD 808, a hexa-core processer with 2xA57 and 4xA53 cores. Also it was built on 20nm architcure technology. So, that means there's hope for us too, if what I understood it right.
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I want to know how much space is left on the ram and rom of these two variants. I am not a gamer but I use a lot of apps and spend most times on my phone.
The 32GB version is more likely to be left with about 28GB of available space. As for arm, the features of the MIUI are known: arm is very large and has very little memory available. I suggest you buy 4GB of ram. Of course, the most important thing is not to buy the x20 processor version of the mediatek. Otherwise you'll regret it
Hello, theese days i bought 2 samsung galaxy s6 edge for testing purposes, one white(64GB) and one black (32GB). I reflashed them with same stock 7.0 rom via odin, installed just antutu and geekbench, closed all apps, airplane mode with wi-fi, and the results were those below.
Both have the same exyons chipset, hence both being G925F.
So how is that explainable?
So? No idea?
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So? No idea?
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It's not possible that the results deviate so much. The 32GB model is most likely defective in some way or something is still running in the background. My guess is that the UFS is faulty
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Hello, theese days i bought 2 samsung galaxy s6 edge for testing purposes, one white(64GB) and one black (32GB). I reflashed them with same stock 7.0 rom via odin, installed just antutu and geekbench, closed all apps, airplane mode with wi-fi, and the results were those below.
Both have the same exyons chipset, hence both being G925F.
So how is that explainable?
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It could also be because of the storage. Both benchmarking softwares evaluate storage. So, because of the higher storage capacity, the scores could be slightly higher. But this rarely translates to real world performance boost. I'm not a pro, just an enthusiast, and this is what I just got in my mind.
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It could also be because of the storage. Both benchmarking softwares evaluate storage. So, because of the higher storage capacity, the scores could be slightly higher. But this rarely translates to real world performance boost. I'm not a pro, just an enthusiast, and this is what I just got in my mind.
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You have a point there but still the difference shouldn't be that huge. If you have a higher capacity chip based storage solution (e.g. SSD, UFS...) that the R/W speeds will be higher. The speed depends on how many NAND chips are in your storage
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You have a point there but still the difference shouldn't be that huge. If you have a higher capacity chip based storage solution (e.g. SSD, UFS...) that the R/W speeds will be higher. The speed depends on how many NAND chips are in your storage
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Well, if you checked out the comparison between the 32gb iphone 7 and 256gb model, the 256 one will embarass the 32gb one in terms of speed.
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Well, if you checked out the comparison between the 32gb iphone 7 and 256gb model, the 256 one will embarass the 32gb one in terms of speed.
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It looks like you didn't quite get me. The SPEED DEPENDS ON HOW THE STORAGE WAS BUILT. Was it built with a single NAND chip or with multiple NAND chips. Samsung in this case offers a single NAND chip, just modified to take the extra data (so the speed is the same across all models ( 32gb, 64gb and 128gb )) while Apple just adds more NAND chips ( e.g. A single 32gb NAND chip has a write speed of 40 MBytes/s. If you add more 32gb NAND chips the speed will multiply by the number of added NAND chips. So for the iPhone 7 you mentioned, 256gb/32gb=8 (we have 8 NAND chips), 8*40=320MBytes/s)
I am thinking of buying a Xiaomi mi pad 4, but I just want to know if the difference in gaming performing between the 3gb/32gb version and the 4gb/64gb version was remarkable?
go for 4/64 mainly due to extra GB of RAM...
nowadays 4GB of RAM is hardly enough anyway....
RAM never enough...