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It seems like the camcorder is much higher quality, seems odd, since it's coming from the same lens. Even just switching between the two, the camcorder doesn't have as much viewing angle, and everything seems much sharper.
Anyone else notice this?
I have noticed it.
Wider angle = more in the picture = lower quality.
It's the same 5mp camera for both the camcorder and camera but since the camera has a wider viewing angle, more is in the picture at once and it decreases the relative resolution.
Unsure how it has a wider viewing angle, it is the same hardware.
My camcorder video always comes out looking nicer than my photos, even after I lower the resolution on the photos to 1280x720 after the picture is taken. The camera should natively look nicer on the small screen, since it's a larger resolution snapshot.
You probably just aren't holding the phone as still as you think you are. Try resting it on something stable when you are taking pictures if possible. Also, make sure you are holding down the shutter button to focus before you let go.
Done this, camera appears more blurry on the display even before taking a picture. Camcorder appears much more sharp and vivid.
knigitz said:
Unsure how it has a wider viewing angle, it is the same hardware.
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The camera does not have a fixed lens, it can focus and zoom. When the camera is being used, the lens is at it's widest angle possible. Since the camcorder would not be able to process that wide of a video fast enough in 720p, the lens has a shorter viewing angle (aka wider focal length).
I'm big in photography so I'm speaking from knowledge of cameras and it may or may not be the same on cell hpones...but I'm pretty sure it is.
spitefulcheerio said:
The camera does not have a fixed lens, it can focus and zoom. When the camera is being used, the lens is at it's widest angle possible. Since the camcorder would not be able to process that wide of a video fast enough in 720p, the lens has a shorter viewing angle (aka wider focal length).
I'm big in photography so I'm speaking from knowledge of cameras and it may or may not be the same on cell hpones...but I'm pretty sure it is.
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Partially correct, the camera physically moves to focus, but it's not changing the viewing angle. http://www.newscaletech.com/phone_camera.html
The resolution is changed within the app, it just crops the image. Camcorder is just likely sampling at a higher rate so there's less noise, and the stock camera app on the atrix is terrible.
spitefulcheerio said:
The camera does not have a fixed lens, it can focus and zoom. When the camera is being used, the lens is at it's widest angle possible. Since the camcorder would not be able to process that wide of a video fast enough in 720p, the lens has a shorter viewing angle (aka wider focal length).
I'm big in photography so I'm speaking from knowledge of cameras and it may or may not be the same on cell hpones...but I'm pretty sure it is.
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The term "fixed lens" is ambiguous, since it doesn't specify which aspect is "fixed."
The Atrix camera module has a fixed focal length lens (i.e. not a zoom lens), but it is not a fixed focus lens (i.e. it has variable focus, in this case autofocus). The "zoom" function is just digital zoom, electronically cropping the image.
In video capture mode, the camera is cropping a section of the sensor, rather than using its full area as in still camera mode. (This increases the apparent focal length of the lens, but it's not actually changing the optics.) The video mode probably does this so that the resolution in the portion of the sensor used is a regular multiple of the video capture resolution, which can greatly simplify the image processing requirements.
Regarding the OP's original question, the viewfinder image appears sharper in video capture mode, but if you actually capture still and video images of the same scene, the still images are sharper. The better looking viewfinder in video mode is probably a result of the same reason they only use a cropped section of the sensor. It's like if you view an image in Photoshop at 25% size, it looks great because it's easy to scale the pixels that way, but if you view it at some usual magnification like 43%, it looks fuzzy.
As I'm sure you're all aware, the camera on our phone only takes pictures in 13mp in 4:3 mode, otherwise it's taking pictures at 9.6mp in the typical 16:9. I was wondering which mode you guys would prefer? It would be nice to use all 13mp that the camera has to offer, but everything now-a-days is widescreen, so 4:3 just wouldn't look right. What do you think?
I'm a fan of the 16:9 aspect ratio.
I cranked the size down even from the 9.6mp. That's more than I need.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2292166&highlight=monitor
rednoved said:
Normally 16:9. Most photos or video I shoot will be displayed on a TV, computer monitor, or phone. Just about all of them are 16:9.
If I were printing a lot of photos, 2:3 would be ideal.
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mostly always I have taken photographs on my Mobile phone in its maximum resolution (so say a mobile phone has 13mp maximum resolution I have left it on that setting) but at 13mp and even some resilutions below if you go into camera app settings you will see it takes the photo in 4:3 (square?) dimension I am personally thinking of changing things and shooting at a lower resolution at 16:9 Widescreen setting. I mean at the end of the day if you had a modern film camera that would take photos landscape (really old film cameras took in square format) and then the later digital cameras would take 16:9, then you have Widescreen televisions and widescreen laptops and if you wanted to display photos on youtube you would use 16:9 and a photo (especially a scenic one with a landscape would look better in 16.9)
so I am just wondering what other on here have their phones cameras set to? - and what do you find the best?
my defaut ration was 10mpx while a have a 13mpx camera so i changed it for 13mpx, it's true that the photos are 4:3 with 13mpx but i noticed that the frame is wider than 10 mpx simply crop the photo to have it on 16:9
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Hello Group,
I got my LGV30 last weekend so I'm still a newbie with it but I am loving it so far. I have a couple of questions about the rear facing camera. I'm trying to understand the 16MP setting, here is why I'm kinda confused. Under the cameras settings I chose this: 4:3 (16MP) 4656x3492 . So when I take a picture shouldn't the result be at least near that particular MP?
When I hook up my LGV30 to my computer and look at the shots that I have taken a lot of them are 2 MP to 7 MP, so I dont understand...I do know that just because I selected 4:3 (16MP) 4656x3492 doesn't mean that every shot will be that large however it should be 11MP or better, correct???
Also, in the setting when I have to make a selection of the size I want I notice that this number is there too, 16:9 (12MP) 4656x2620, so if I am taking a 4:3 shot and then switched over very quickly to the 16:9 shot, then what MP is then used for the 16:9 shot since I didn't select a setting ?
Thanks, Jake
I seriously don't know what are you doing. I checked my photos and all of them are 16 MP or 13 MP (Wide angle).
As for the aspect ratio: Camera sensors are tend to be 4:3 - so it is 16MP. When using 16:9, the output from the sensor has to be cropped, so the final result is 12MP, for 18:9 is 11MP etc.
Thanks for the reply. This is so weird as on my cell the shots look great but looking at them on my computer it shows them ALL as way under size. Maybe its a Windows 7 thing but I dont know as of yet...still troubleshooting.
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I seriously don't know what are you doing. I checked my photos and all of them are 16 MP or 13 MP (Wide angle).
As for the aspect ratio: Camera sensors are tend to be 4:3 - so it is 16MP. When using 16:9, the output from the sensor has to be cropped, so the final result is 12MP, for 18:9 is 11MP etc.
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Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that the "16MP" is if you use the outdated 4:3 aspect ratio. Wide-screen will give you less, but turning the phone "sideways" or seeing on a 16:9 computer monitor or TV will be much more aesthetically pleasing.
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n2bowling said:
Hello Group,
I got my LGV30 last weekend so I'm still a newbie with it but I am loving it so far. I have a couple of questions about the rear facing camera. I'm trying to understand the 16MP setting, here is why I'm kinda confused. Under the cameras settings I chose this: 4:3 (16MP) 4656x3492 . So when I take a picture shouldn't the result be at least near that particular MP?
When I hook up my LGV30 to my computer and look at the shots that I have taken a lot of them are 2 MP to 7 MP, so I dont understand...I do know that just because I selected 4:3 (16MP) 4656x3492 doesn't mean that every shot will be that large however it should be 11MP or better, correct???
Thanks, Jake
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Thanks for the reply. This is so weird as on my cell the shots look great but looking at them on my computer it shows them ALL as way under size. Maybe its a Windows 7 thing but I dont know as of yet...still troubleshooting.
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I think you are confusing MB with MP. When you say "a lot of them are 2 MP to 7 MP", I believe you are looking at file size, not pixels.
MB is file size. Kilobyte, Megabyte, Gigabyte, Terabyte, etc. Plus, you can have different file sizes for the exact same picture, depending on whether it was saved in PNG or JPG. (The default on our phone is PNG format but some phones use JPG.)
Whereas, MP refers to the amount of pixels in an image. Usually higher MP in a camera means better pictures, but don't go by that alone:
http://www.blurbiness.com/web/en/bl...egapixels-does-not-mean-better-quality-photos
So you may find a camera or smartphone which, having less Megapixels, but with a better sensor and better lenses, gets clearer images than other cameras with more Megapixels. ... Basically, if you use a worse camera and worse lenses with more Megapixels, you will have more worse quality pixels
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n2bowling said:
Also, in the setting when I have to make a selection of the size I want I notice that this number is there too, 16:9 (12MP) 4656x2620, so if I am taking a 4:3 shot and then switched over very quickly to the 16:9 shot, then what MP is then used for the 16:9 shot since I didn't select a setting ?
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If I am understanding your question correctly, and forgive me if I'm not -- when you switched over to 16:9 shot "very quickly" it would take 16:9. However, that would not be your DEFAULT setting when you open the camera app. Next time you open the camera it would probably be back at 4:3.
You probably want 16:9 to be the default, so you should select that setting. Close the camera app, then re-open and see if it sticks.
As you probably already know, there is more than one way to take close-up pictures with your P30 Pro. You can use the dedicated Super Macro mode (found under More in your stock camera app) or manually set the focus to macro in Pro mode. However, two years of experience have taught me that by far the best way to take really crisp macro shots with my phone is not an obvious one. In fact, I bet you have never even tried it.
You see, our phone comes with 2 primary lenses, each with its own sensor. The main lens boasts a 40MP sensor, making it the default choice for your everyday shots, while the wide secondary lens has a 20MP sensor, which makes it sound a little underwhelming. However, when it comes to macro photography, the wide lens has one major advantage over its big brother - a much shorter minimum focus distance. This allows you to bring the lens much closer to your subject before the image becomes blurry. So to take superior close-up shots with your P30 Pro, all you have to do is switch to the wide lens by selecting the Wide picture mode in the camera app. You can combine this with the dedicated HDR mode (found under More in your stock camera app) to eliminate any unwanted shadows. However, be aware that at such close proximity to the subject the autofocus can no longer be relied on. So manual focusing is strongly recommended.
Below are some sample pictures taken by each lens at their minimum focus distance.
40MP Primary Lens at minimum focus distance:
https://ibb.co/61kjmDQ
40MP Primary Lens, Closer Look:
https://ibb.co/ftpmCnx
20MP Secondary (Wide) Lens at minimum focus distance:
https://ibb.co/f4J7rCD
20MP Secondary (Wide) Lens, Closer Look:
https://ibb.co/dktkjqH
As you can see, the wide lens was able to capture far superior detail at minimum focusing distance compared to the 40MP shot. In real life application this means less cropping and more pictures like these:
https://ibb.co/cTn6W2J
https://ibb.co/1TtJHyz
https://ibb.co/Qb8PfNh
Have fun with your Macro shots!
That's really informative, and the difference in detail in your pics is quite stark. I'll try your suggestions for myself.
Thanks
That last pic is stunning!
I would add something to this post : shoot in RAW. You'll need to post-process the pictures, but the results are way much better regarding color, sharpness and lighting than what the auto mode can provide !
Quick comparison :
Auto mode :
https://ibb.co/QfzW5F3
RAW file manually edited :
https://ibb.co/bmWmmLq
I can assure you this flower wasn't anywhere near pink !
All the colours are different between those two pics, not just the flower. What does post-processing involve?
It's actually up to you. The RAW file only offers you a lot more freedom, with greater dynamic range and sharpness than a jpg file. You can crop and still get a perfectly sharp picture, you can play with lighting, shadows, colors ... to get exactly what you want.
In my case, a better quality and a more realistic / natural look. Most of the time, I get oversaturated pictures, with an exaggerated HDR effect and lack of detail using the auto mode (and I'm not only talking about macrophotography).
Regarding this specific RAW picture, I cropped and increased saturation and texture using Photoshop. The whole process took no more than ten minutes.
To give you an idea, here is what it looks like unedited : https://ibb.co/3mVKFbX
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It's actually up to you. The RAW file only offers you a lot more freedom, with greater dynamic range and sharpness than a jpg file. You can crop and still get a perfectly sharp picture, you can play with lighting, shadows, colors ... to get exactly what you want.
In my case, a better quality and a more realistic / natural look. Most of the time, I get oversaturated pictures, with an exaggerated HDR effect and lack of detail using the auto mode (and I'm not only talking about macrophotography).
Regarding this specific RAW picture, I cropped and increased saturation and texture using Photoshop. The whole process took no more than ten minutes.
To give you an idea, here is what it looks like unedited : https://ibb.co/3mVKFbX
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I do enjoy playing with RAW. However, as I only ever post my pictures on social media where their quality gets butchered by the site's own compression engine, I find it difficult to justify the time investment in RAW editing. So I stick to JPEG format in Pro mode with master AI disabled.
i can't see "wide picture "in camera app for 20mp lens??cancel that
tonybhoy said:
i can't see "wide picture "in camera app for 20mp lens??cancel that
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You need to be in Pro mode with resolution set to 10MP. Don't ask me why. Ask our friends at Huawei =)
https://ibb.co/7jcRFFc
So I took Paulos971's suggestion and combined the wide lens macro with RAW. I have to say - I am not disappointed. Below are the edited versions of the same image taken simultaneously in RAW and JPEG.
Image saved as JPEG:
https://ibb.co/nmQcXLk
Image saved as RAW (.DNG):
https://ibb.co/cTn6W2J
koi8ru said:
You need to be in Pro mode with resolution set to 10MP. Don't ask me why. Ask our friends at Huawei =)
https://ibb.co/7jcRFFc
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i just went to photo mode and slid slider down to wide,never went to pro
koi8ru said:
So I took Paulos971's suggestion and combined the wide lens macro with RAW. I have to say - I am not disappointed. Below are the edited versions of the same image taken simultaneously in RAW and JPEG.
Image saved as JPEG:
https://ibb.co/nmQcXLk
Image saved as RAW (.DNG):
https://ibb.co/cTn6W2J
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Wow, amazing picture ! :good:
Yeah editing takes some time indeed, but I really think it's worth it
guys, go see my page, i have a lot of photos taken by my P30 Pro. You will see a lot of macro photography
My name on instagram is Titibenze
poulos971 said:
I would add something to this post : shoot in RAW. You'll need to post-process the pictures, but the results are way much better regarding color, sharpness and lighting than what the auto mode can provide !
Quick comparison :
Auto mode :
https://ibb.co/QfzW5F3
RAW file manually edited :
https://ibb.co/bmWmmLq
I can assure you this flower wasn't anywhere near pink !
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I tried many times to use RAW, but it works only at full res of 40mp an noise is incredibly hight, even with good light. Ho do yout set for those 2 example shot??
Leoxur said:
I tried many times to use RAW, but it works only at full res of 40mp an noise is incredibly hight, even with good light. Ho do yout set for those 2 example shot??
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Yes, the RAW file will always be a full resolution picture (i. e. 40mp using the main camera, 20mp on the ultrawide and 8mp on the telephoto).
To avoid noise, you must shoot at the lowest possible ISO setting ! It also depends on the sensor used (as the main one is bigger, it produces less noisy pictures than the ultrawide / telephoto).
This example picture was shot in 1/500s at 50 ISO using the ultrawide camera.