ZTE announced as being banned from use by US officials.
Very interesting, I haven't seen concrete evidence posted.
1) any record of "phone home" packet being sent via stock firmware(like BLU)?
2) is there a hardware embedded or software or both tech concern?
3) would lineageOS devices be susceptible to this?
What steps has anyone takeno ameliorate concerns?
cyrusharding said:
ZTE announced as being banned from use by US officials.
Very interesting, I haven't seen concrete evidence posted.
1) any record of "phone home" packet being sent via stock firmware(like BLU)?
2) is there a hardware embedded or software or both tech concern?
3) would lineageOS devices be susceptible to this?
What steps has anyone takeno ameliorate concerns?
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Why do you suspect it's because of a security concern? The US govt wanted to ban Huawei on selling phones via carrier on the US, they failed, so now they are banning ZTE and Huawei phones on the govt. They just don't want them selling on the US.
Anyways yes we found out about one app that sent location info to some place in China. That was before they changed to Qualcomm IZat. Before that, when you were setting up your phone, they asked you if you wanted to use that app to improve gps performance, so you actually were asked if you wanted to use it anyways. Aside that I think there was nothing else.
There are some data logging apps on the Play store anyways, so you could see which apps are sending data
When I first had stock I found that the lockscreen wallpaper thingy would query a server in China with your phone's IMEI in the URL string. At one point I also found where they would find their wallpapers on the web. Like, they just skimmed them from "best photos of 2012" sorts of articles.
Anyways, I think I used things like NetGuard and Wireshark to capture packets and see what they looked like to glean that information on what was being sent to random servers when clicking around on some features on the stock ROM.
Aside from that, this stuff with ZTE, Huawei and the U.S. gov't has been going on since like 2009 or so. They've never released proof every time it comes up. They have this speculative fear that someday Huawei could embed snooping software in networking hardware (routers and stuff) but there's never been any proof. For ZTE, they didn't like that ZTE made business deals with Iran a few years ago.
The summer before this phone was released, Congress lifted sanctions on ZTE to allow them to trade in the U.S. ZTE consequently opened up their books and let our gov't sift through their business dealings and find intelligence on North Korea's business dealings, amongst other things I'm sure.
The impression I got is the U.S. gov't works on gathering intelligence and uses pressure against industries in other countries to get what they want through threatening a foreign government by going through their businesses.
Bottom line: I have no idea if they do shady stuff because no one has given any proof.
I can cite sources but that's the gist of my thoughts on the subject.
I just think this means government officials can't use phones from Huawei or ZTE
But that makes sense, I remember in stock rom I took photos with location on, and those photos had a location of a factory/office in Shanghai, China which made me very suspicious
It isn't just phones. Huawei produces business-class and telco-class networking equipment. That's why they get more of the coverage and speculative concern.
This 60 Minutes episode was kinda my introduction to the story a few years ago.
And then right around the time I bought this phone the U.S. lifted sanctions against ZTE
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-to...sanction-relief-to-chinas-zte-corp-1458511694
Here's an article on ZTE giving up financials to us on North Korea
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-target-north-korea-violators-with-zte-s-help
Granted, ZTE has also done a few things the U.S. didn't like in regards to trade with Iran and North Korea and Huawei (I gathered) would reverse engineer Cisco equipment to steal their intellectual property.
At this point it sounds indirectly harmless for you and me.
Teet1 said:
I just think this means government officials can't use phones from Huawei or ZTE
But that makes sense, I remember in stock rom I took photos with location on, and those photos had a location of a factory/office in Shanghai, China which made me very suspicious
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That was the previous location accelerator weird thingamajig i think
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That was the previous location accelerator weird thingamajig i think
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It didn't do much of that location acceleration if my pictures and Google maps all pointed to china
I am glad I wasn't the only one to perceive corporate agendas ''vs an actual threat. ZTE has been amazing. The only time I have seen dev and device support like theirs was with Moto in their first google year. ZTE was the only one doing something good for me in 2016 devices. I was pissed to read all of the stories against ZTE. Mostly because it is obviously click bait. _typed from my freshly received Axon 7 $79 refurb Hands down the industry's best warranty.
This whole spying thing is always silly. IMO the US would have to be the number one suspect for a spying nation. Things like Google commercialised spying. We might be served adds using our data but what else is being done with it?
My thought is that if the US points the finger, maybe it's because they do it already themselves and are paranoid about others doing as they do.....
ZTE has been caught using spyware and the Axon 7 does have suspicious software on it. The odd thing is that Google is collects enormous amounts of personal data and nobody seems to mind. It even leaks that data back out in the form of ad selections, search result rankings, and Google Maps detail rankings.
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ZTE has been caught using spyware and the Axon 7 does have suspicious software on it. The odd thing is that Google is collects enormous amounts of personal data and nobody seems to mind. It even leaks that data back out in the form of ad selections, search result rankings, and Google Maps detail rankings.
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Can you tell us where you read the first statement? The worst thing we've seen here is a gps accelerator app sending stuff to somewhere in China, but that's not necessarily spyware since they might just be sending location data
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Since I've uploaded my App to the market, I receive emails about uploading my App to other markets too. For example this email I've received yesterday:
Hi ,
My name is *...*, from business department of Ndoo Networks. We are a company that operates 3rd party Android app market in China. We both realize China is a market of great potential, and there are already over 6,000,000 Android users in China. Now we are searching for the co-developers to make the Android market in China more brilliant.
We devote to bringing convenience and giving better service to our users. Till now we are generating a total of 5,000,000 downloads per month. The strengths we have now include:
--Diversified access to Phone, Web and desktop.
--App downloads 50% faster than Android Market.
--Value-added services to developers, including function test, security check etc.
--Operating an active user community including solutions for common issues using Android apps.
Meanwhile, the opportunities we see for you are:
--Expose your apps to millions of Android users.
--Expose your apps to many device makers in China who badly need excellent apps to get preinstalled.
--Ad-supported apps to generate income.
--Application proxy.
If you are interested to opt in our platform to distribute your apps, reply this email to authorize us the distribution rights. By default it is non-exclusive authorization.
Look forward to hearing from you.
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Cheers,
*...*
Shanghai Ndoo Network Technology Ltd.
Your Android,Simplified!
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Are there issues (read: legal issues) when you upload your app to other markets and / or is it smart to do. Because I get the feeling, just a feeling, that not all of these markets have the right intentions with the App provided by unknowing developers.
Are you upload your app to other markets too. If so, what website/markets do you upload your app.
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Obviously all different countries will have different app stores and be impossible to keep track of all of them. However obviously the well known ones are Amazon Appstore and Android market (duh). Outside of the US there are too many to count small and big. However, you can do a couple searches on the internet and see for yourself if it doesnt look shady and trustable enough.
Personally as a Korean I know for a fact that T-Store in korea is huge with dominating market share and since Korea's smart phone market is pretty big you could try getting your app uploaded there. However, I'm not too sure about how it works for foreigners but if you are interested just PM and I'll do my best to help out. I really like your app and I think its a brilliant idea. Cheers.
I received a similar email and all I can tell is stay away from them.
They are not a legit market. All piracy.
tyl3rdurden said:
Obviously all different countries will have different app stores and be impossible to keep track of all of them. However obviously the well known ones are Amazon Appstore and Android market (duh). Outside of the US there are too many to count small and big. However, you can do a couple searches on the internet and see for yourself if it doesnt look shady and trustable enough.
Personally as a Korean I know for a fact that T-Store in korea is huge with dominating market share and since Korea's smart phone market is pretty big you could try getting your app uploaded there. However, I'm not too sure about how it works for foreigners but if you are interested just PM and I'll do my best to help out. I really like your app and I think its a brilliant idea. Cheers.
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Thanks for your reply and compliment for my App. I'm definitly gonna look into the T-Store you're talking about.
I got the same email too, and found this thread by Googling a sentence from this email
All of my Apps are there, free & paid ones, without my approval.
It seems like piracy in China is a common practice, and I'm not sure what can be done against it.
Obg1 said:
It seems like piracy in China is a common practice, and I'm not sure what can be done against it.
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Seems? Come on! Let's all be honest here, we all know China is the number 1 in piracy, copying, not giving a f*ck about copyrights and so on. Whether is about fake iPhones, fake stores, mod chips, fake 2TB HDDs, fake apps, copied apps, fake everything and copied everything, etc. The world itself is there, either fake or copied. And there's nothing the rest of the world can do about it, since they don't have the copyright laws we have. If I were you, I wouldn't trust in giving my app to neither a Chinese nor a Sweden store (Sweden stores are a tad more controlled than Chinese stores, but still )
In my country, we call China "el rey de los plagios" (the king of copying/fakes/etc).
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DanielEGVi said:
Seems? Come on! Let's all be honest here, we all know China is the number 1 in piracy, copying, not giving a f*ck about copyrights and so on. Whether is about fake iPhones, fake stores, mod chips, fake 2TB HDDs, fake apps, copied apps, fake everything and copied everything, etc. The world itself is there, either fake or copied. And there's nothing the rest of the world can do about it, since they don't have the copyright laws we have. If I were you, I wouldn't trust in giving my app to neither a Chinese nor a Sweden store (Sweden stores are a tad more controlled than Chinese stores, but still )
In my country, we call China "el rey de los plagios" (the king of copying/fakes/etc).
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In your signature you say you use a hacked market.
I guess you are Chinese too?
JXB said:
In your signature you say you use a hacked market.
I guess you are Chinese too?
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Hacked market means it can download apps no matter what DPI are you using
You actually made me lol.
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[NOT NEWS!!] ZTE & Huawei firmware sending your data it to Shanghai Adups Technology
Security company Kryptowire is saying that they found a breach in security and privacy of ZTE, Huawei and BLU phones.
Location, SMS, contact lists and more are sent back to the company that makes the firmware for these manufacturers, Shanghai Adups Technology Co.
This was "supposed" to be only for the Chinese market, but has made its way internationally.
Source article: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/us/politics/china-phones-software-security.html?_r=0
Another article that refers to the NYT: http://www.channelnews.com.au/secre...back-to-china-found-on-huawei-and-zte-phones/
I'm about to buy an Axon 7 and I thought I'd share this with you for your thoughts.
There's no word on the net about which specific phones, models, firmware versions are affected.
I'm quite annoyed. Just wondering if there's any way to get passed that if in truth it does affect the Axon 7 model I end up buying.
nadram said:
Security company Kryptowire is saying that they found a breach in security and privacy of ZTE, Huawei and BLU phones.
Location, SMS, contact lists and more are sent back to the company that makes the firmware for these manufacturers, Shanghai Adups Technology Co.
This was "supposed" to be only for the Chinese market, but has made its way internationally.
Source article: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/us/politics/china-phones-software-security.html?_r=0
Another article that refers to the NYT: http://www.channelnews.com.au/secre...back-to-china-found-on-huawei-and-zte-phones/
I'm about to buy an Axon 7 and I thought I'd share this with you for your thoughts.
There's no word on the net about which specific phones, models, firmware versions are affected.
I'm quite annoyed. Just wondering if there's any way to get passed that if in truth it does affect the Axon 7 model I end up buying.
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There's a topic two posts down about this already:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/how-to/reportsome-android-phones-transmit-sms-t3501445
And it's already been discussed in the ZTE USA Community forum:
https://community.zteusa.com/message/68359
Jeff Yee, ZTE's VP of Technology Planning & Partnerships, has stated:
Adups is not used in Axon 7 nor is it used in any phone that is shipped to the US.
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--https://community.zteusa.com/message/68452#comment-68452
How can we downvote this into oblivion ?
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How can we downvote this into oblivion ?
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Lol, this isn't Reddit. But perhaps should just be locked and closed by a mod if it doesn't apply to us. I didn't note any thing odd on my device sending data back to a place in through my network on WireShark. I'm almost positive as others have said, that it most definitely doesn't apply to our device. Especially if some one at ZTE is saying it, and some thing doesn't seem off.
Google is doing this all time with google services on Android OS selecting personal info from all users and even selling it to third party company.
That's how it makes most of the profit all that years.
Now even more aggressively.
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paatha13 said:
Google is doing this all time with google services on Android OS selecting personal info from all users and even selling it to third party company.
That's how it makes most of the profit all that years.
Now even more aggressively.
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Not to be too off topic, but I did find it strange when they decided not to encrypt end-to-end conversations with Allo.
Another hysteria thread.
Guess what - closed.
An executive order has been signed by Trump banning Huawei in the US...
Also Qualcomm (QCOM) may have to apply for US export licenses to continue supplying technology to Huawei.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/15/tech/trump-executive-order-telecom-security/index.html
Why worry about Huawei when Google, facebook and the countries intelligence are already spying.
I think the problem lies with 5G, Huawei are trying the set up the infrastructure for 5G across Asia, Europe and the US amongst over areas. Which means that they'll have a back door to almost everything connected to 5G.
5G will connect to everything, even LED lights in your home which basically gives them a 3D view of every area 5G covers. Whoever has access to it will know where you are nearly all the time.
The timing makes it obvious the steps against Huawei is derivative of the US trade war with China rather than concerns over spying.
warea said:
The timing makes it obvious the steps against Huawei is derivative of the US trade war with China rather than concerns over spying.
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I wonder if it makes sense to care about that. Huawei prices are dropping and people try to sell there used phones. A good moment to buy something like that.
Am I totally wrong in thinking that Trump will probably not stop xda developers from developing updates for Huawei phones? If so I do not care about Huaweis updates or wether they include Gapps
But sadly XDA is not able to develop updates for Huawei beacause of locked bootloader etc, so what you are trying to say is......?
EnormoDerClown said:
But sadly XDA is not able to develop updates for Huawei beacause of locked bootloader etc, so what you are trying to say is......?
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I do not own a huawei phone (yet) and am still investigating about existing roms. Is there really no easy way to unlock bootloader for huawei devices in general? That would definitely stop me from buying huawei.
BTW: of you quote me I see your post faster
daniu said:
I do not own a huawei phone (yet) and am still investigating about existing roms. Is there really no easy way to unlock bootloader for huawei devices in general? That would definitely stop me from buying huawei.
BTW: of you quote me I see your post faster
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No there is no easy way, even no way at all at the moment.
I am quite relaxed at the moment, for existing phones there will still be support, future phones could be a HUGE problem. But to be honest, A LOT switch their phones after 2 years or even before, so most people will not be touched by this ban who are currently owning this awesome phone.
I don't think Huawei spies. Even if they did, are they the only big players who do it?
US already spies on their citizens and on the world - Edward Snowden told the world and now he's not allowed back into his country. Facebook also sells your data if you remember that Cambridge Analytica drama.
Do people just forget what's happened?
Agree, i am total sure that Apple has a file with my data and i didn´t even touched an apple device in my life
that doesn´t make spying good, but i also think huawei is not doing more/less than the rest
EnormoDerClown said:
No there is no easy way, even no way at all at the moment.
I am quite relaxed at the moment, for existing phones there will still be support, future phones could be a HUGE problem. But to be honest, A LOT switch their phones after 2 years or even before, so most people will not be touched by this ban who are currently owning this awesome phone.
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this is not my attitude towards phones. Mine is rather: use the device until warranty is over (or a bit earlier) then root and install a custom rom and use the phone until it is really dead. Unfortunately it seems like that did not take too long on my Asus Zenfone selfie ...
I also use phones quite long, but really a lot people get a new one every year or every two years by contract. The same people which are now selling their phones because of panic^^
if you plan on using custom rom/modification huawei is not suitable for you, it is just not possible. maybe the android ban will change something, but nobody can say that, you will have to wait to see what will happen.
Since no one else has said it on this thread let me be the first, Trump is an idiot, when he's gone the whole world will be better for it. He can't even honor D-day survivors without making it all about him, the ultimate draft dodger.
Hi,
So because of getting into the Blacklist Google stopped there business with huawei.
Some websites say that huawei will not get anymore updates from Google some say they will still get updates and so on but only later than usual due to not getting it before the open source release.
So I'm confused now what does that mean for as consumers? Will we still get updates like to Android q or?
jizang said:
Hi,
So because of getting into the Blacklist Google stopped there business with huawei.
Some websites say that huawei will not get anymore updates from Google some say they will still get updates and so on but only later than usual due to not getting it before the open source release.
So I'm confused now what does that mean for as consumers? Will we still get updates like to Android q or?
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It means Huawei might be suspended from official support from development, tech support and collaboration from Google/Android work group directly. AOSP is still can be accessible to Huawei as an alternative, however, there's no set mandate regarding how frequently AOSP might be updated to Q. Any future updates can be much later than official source comparing with other factory names. It is likely but no set agenda.
It is very disappointing how US government uses all its possible resourcing pipeline in one nation trying to make an original 'open-sourced' platform now becoming a 'close-ended' product to kill a tech company. Very shameful action.
Boo hoo, Google and USA government. Can't take the capitalistic pressure no more I see. The very same capitalism that you pushed down their throats those years ago. Sore losers.
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https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-loses-access-to-google-android-987873/amp/
sunu792002 said:
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-loses-access-to-google-android-987873/amp/
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Yeah the apps will work, but looks like we still won't get updates.....
Limeybastard said:
Boo hoo, Google and USA government. Can't take the capitalistic pressure no more I see. The very same capitalism that you pushed down their throats those years ago. Sore losers.
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But I don't think it's capitalistic for a company to have unfair advantage from the government. China is not playing a fair game and since pretty much every company in China is affiliated with the government, it's definitely not a captilistic system. Protecting their own companies and making it hard for foreign ones to compete is not captilistic. They kicked out Google, Facebook, Twitter and even Wikipedia which is as unfair an advantage as you can get for companies like Baidu and wechat. These home grown companies certainly would not be able to compete with the foreign ones without a boost from the government. Again that's not free market competition or capitalistic. They force foreign companies who spend hard cash on R&D to just hand over their intellectual property to Chinese companies. I'm sorry but that's not what capatilism is about. I like Huawei phones and until recently I had used quite a few of them so it's sad for me to see them hit hard like this. However, this move by the US government was long overdue and I support it (quite possibly the only policy of this government that I support). Next time somebody mentions that this is unfair, please do some research and see what is going on in China.
Guys there is already 3 threads speaking about it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7048323/Google-blocks-Huawei-using-apps-phones.html
seti007 said:
But I don't think it's capitalistic for a company to have unfair advantage from the government. China is not playing a fair game and since pretty much every company in China is affiliated with the government, it's definitely not a captilistic system. Protecting their own companies and making it hard for foreign ones to compete is not captilistic. They kicked out Google, Facebook, Twitter and even Wikipedia which is as unfair an advantage as you can get for companies like Baidu and wechat. These home grown companies certainly would not be able to compete with the foreign ones without a boost from the government. Again that's not free market competition or capitalistic. They force foreign companies who spend hard cash on R&D to just hand over their intellectual property to Chinese companies. I'm sorry but that's not what capatilism is about. I like Huawei phones and until recently I had used quite a few of them so it's sad for me to see them hit hard like this. However, this move by the US government was long overdue and I support it (quite possibly the only policy of this government that I support). Next time somebody mentions that this is unfair, please do some research and see what is going on in China.
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government influence???:good::good:???they keep saying chinese govt has influence, yet without prove....!!now which companies being influence/ties by govt??? us companies following trump orders??? and this is not influence??? so confuse here???
Funny...
Shipoftheline said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7048323/Google-blocks-Huawei-using-apps-phones.html
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Phew, now that I've seen it in the mail, I know it's not true - false alarm people
jizang said:
Hi,
So because of getting into the Blacklist Google stopped there business with huawei.
Some websites say that huawei will not get anymore updates from Google some say they will still get updates and so on but only later than usual due to not getting it before the open source release.
So I'm confused now what does that mean for as consumers? Will we still get updates like to Android q or?
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Hey
You heard correct that Google has blacklisted and terminated all business with Huawei.
For the current Huawei devices that are in stock or being used Google will provide there services but for the future Huawei phones there will be no Google. Currently Huawei has got its licence temporary unbanned for 90 days which means they will provide Google updates till August and after that you won't be able to get the next version of android through Huawei until you root your phone and push the update yourself.
Hope this helped
djingonthenet said:
Phew, now that I've seen it in the mail, I know it's not true - false alarm people
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Oh sorry I'll post a lefty source for the leftist
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/huawei-phones-bumped-ee-vodafone-16182814
That better comrade?
PS why do you guys always claim to speak for everyone??
Shipoftheline said:
Oh sorry I'll post a lefty source for the leftist
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/huawei-phones-bumped-ee-vodafone-16182814
That better comrade?
PS why do you guys always claim to speak for everyone??
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This is better...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/9128354/huawei-binned-from-ee-5g-lineup/
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seti007 said:
But I don't think it's capitalistic for a company to have unfair advantage from the government. China is not playing a fair game and since pretty much every company in China is affiliated with the government, it's definitely not a captilistic system. Protecting their own companies and making it hard for foreign ones to compete is not captilistic. They kicked out Google, Facebook, Twitter and even Wikipedia which is as unfair an advantage as you can get for companies like Baidu and wechat. These home grown companies certainly would not be able to compete with the foreign ones without a boost from the government. Again that's not free market competition or capitalistic. They force foreign companies who spend hard cash on R&D to just hand over their intellectual property to Chinese companies. I'm sorry but that's not what capatilism is about. I like Huawei phones and until recently I had used quite a few of them so it's sad for me to see them hit hard like this. However, this move by the US government was long overdue and I support it (quite possibly the only policy of this government that I support). Next time somebody mentions that this is unfair, please do some research and see what is going on in China.
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But it doesn't affect outside users if china bans fb, or does it?
Hopefully this means Huawei will start giving out Bootloader codes again.
Shipoftheline said:
Oh sorry I'll post a lefty source for the leftist
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/huawei-phones-bumped-ee-vodafone-16182814
That better comrade?
PS why do you guys always claim to speak for everyone??
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I'm not speaking for anyone but myself, but the mail champions the same brand of politics as the administration the invoked this ridiculous campaign against Huawei, i.e. the far right
djingonthenet said:
I'm not speaking for anyone but myself
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Oh my bad I must have read it wrong, oh wait no
djingonthenet said:
false alarm people
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djingonthenet said:
but the mail champions the same brand of politics as the administration the invoked this ridiculous campaign against Huawei, i.e. the far right
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Its the worlds most read online newspaper whether people like you like it or not and they were spot on again about this, do you need some tissues?
Better 'far-right' than far-wrong
Huawei in talks with Aptoide for a Play store replacement.
https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_rep...lacement_for_google_play_store-news-37174.php
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Its the worlds most read online newspaper whether people like you like it or not and they were spot on again about this, do you need some tissues?
Better 'far-right' than far-wrong
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I do hope you can see the irony of that statement :laugh: Either way take care :good:
You surely have heard the awesomely cheap prices of the Huawei phones, Xiaomi, and other chinese brands. And you'd be wise with your money to invest for a Chinese smartphone, but there's a catch, every American company makes their cellphones in China as well.
Apple as a notable example of this. Where the people working at their factories in FOXCONN have a reputation for killing themselves. Why? Excessive loads of work and a poor working ambient.
But this post goes even further than criticizing the treatment of employees in the PRC, but the bad treatment of their citizens in general, China is a repressive authoritarian state where people are not allowed to say think or act in ways contrary to the government and if the government thinks you're a threat then rest assured it'll make your life a living hell.
How does Chinese authoritarianism affects your user experience as a consumer?
Very simple, yet dark.
Chinese companies syphon all the info they can possibly gather about you, even Nokia was found to send data to the Chinese government.
It is a threat to your security and a support to the current oppressive regime in China to buy their cellphones.
So what's my recommendation? Buy phones made in India, Vietnam or South Korea. Samsung is a good example and is why I bought my phone from them, mine was made in Vietnam and I'm happy with it. Except that I have a not so popular model and I have to be active in the dev community to push it forward. But that has its own beauty!
With this I close the Post and I wish every reader a good day.
There are some companies that send data to governments, they use operating systems such as HydrogenOS as far as I know. I don't know much about these things but I can assure you this thing is very dangerous and can lead to uncountable threats in the future
Null909 said:
There are some companies that send data to governments, they use operating systems such as HydrogenOS as far as I know. I don't know much about these things but I can assure you this thing is very dangerous and can lead to uncountable threats in the future
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I know right? The worst thing is that the common consumer doesn't care about it. So they'll buy a phone from the shadiest cheapest company you could possibly imagine and won't even try to install a custom rom.
A phone, which is a conglomerate of plastic, glass, metal and other solid components, cannot spy, whether it has been produced in china or elsewhere: if someone is spying, it is the apps that are installed, the rights that are granted.
It is the user who enables espionage and not a chinese or other resident manufacturer. See also here
Sotiras said:
I know right? The worst thing is that the common consumer doesn't care about it. So they'll buy a phone from the shadiest cheapest company you could possibly imagine and won't even try to install a custom rom.
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Yes, that's right, but it's not necessary for the phone itself to be spying, maybe it's the system that plays the spy. Like China's Hydrogen firmwares, this thing is like trying to find a needle in a haystack for users, i.e. they don't think about such things in general as it poses a danger to the user. I don't know much about this thing but I recently read about cases revealed by phones, the internet is a big and dangerous world and used as a means of gathering information in various subjects، and don't forget that a lot of people have been investigated just because they searched for certain topics on the internet i.e. countries are watching literally everything.
do you have any proof that e.g. Huawei is spying on people John Doe? you don’t, because there isn’t any, there isn’t any evidence of intention, there is nothing there, just smoke and mirrors. even a mr. Trump could not present any evidence.
i hope we are not so ignorant as to be swayed by such poor writing as OP did.
remember that as soon as you switch on an Android device, where it doesn't matter whether you registered it with Google or not, Google starts spying on you. wondering why always chinese manufactures are said to be the culprits?
@Sotiras
while we can understand and accept the freedom of speaking about our devices on a dedicated forum like XDA, the exacerbation of the topic beyond the forum rules and the lack common sense is not tolerated.
such remarks as below
But this post goes even further than criticizing the treatment of employees in the PRC, but the bad treatment of their citizens in general, China is a repressive authoritarian state where people are not allowed to say think or act in ways contrary to the government and if the government thinks you're a threat then rest assured it'll make your life a living hell.
How does Chinese authoritarianism affects your user experience as a consumer?
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is totally inappropriate and have never had a place on XDA for a simple reason:
2. Member conduct.
2.4 Personal attacks, racial, political and / or religious discussions: XDA is a discussion forum about certain mobile phones. Mobile phones are not racial, political, religious or personally offensive and therefore, none of these types of discussions are permitted on XDA.
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as simple as that, just imagine you`re talking to your best friend that has just purchased a Chinese or other branded phone; are you going to talk about that country`s politics or about the device itself? I bet you`d just say, "ok bud, enjoy your phone although I`m not such a fan because ... takes worse pictures ..." and nicely move on for a beer and continue talking about girls. But somehow here on XDA you feel like, behind a keyboard, expanding your thoughts further to political aspects well no, we do not host here such topics.
please keep this in mind and next time try to be device centred rather than political.
thanks for understanding!
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